/lit/ - Literature

So a war over who can post the op?

Last thread really rustled the gardner janny's jimmies, swept it up right quick

Why the fuck did the last thread get nuked

>>20890098
It wasn't about Gardner.

To the other anon, how to improve only dialogue and improv?

>>20890143
You're going to have to post some of your stuff here eventually. That's the pact.

>>20890143
For a game, think I could literally write like a screenplay and get away with it? I can do that.

Disco Elysium wanted to be literary, it's influenced by books and TV. I'm inspired by weird low budget cult movies.

But I don't have a massive budget to be properly cinematic. So could I write like a screenplay instead? You don't really use prose for that. It's more like poetry.

>>20890212
>I can do that.
no, you can't. you know how I know that?
>Disco Elysium Disco Elysium Disco Elysium
Disco Elysium Disco Elysium Disco Elysium
Disco Elysium Disco Elysium Disco Elysium
Disco Elysium Disco Elysium Disco Elysium
this is you. nut up or shut the fuck up

>>20890212
If a game could have a cock, you'd be sucking it.

>>20890098
>I want to post the thread!
>Mass reports until it's autobanned

>>20890196
>You're going to have to post some of your stuff here eventually. That's the pact.
Ok.
>>20890212
I am actually stupid, it's the fucking same.
If I have to imply the visuals using the one cinematic trick I can do with my budget, then I am basically writing a novel. Just like Disco Elysium, I can't escape Disco Elysium. I want to fucking end myself.
I really can't be succint, can I? I still need good prose, which I don't have.

I need
>Good Dialogue
>Describe scenes
>Very very distinct character voices
>>20890247
>>20890236
It's true though. Disco Elysium is literally the best game ever made.

Poetry, haiku. I could study that. Dialogue. Needed.

You can't study this in isolation. I can't just say yeah give me dialogue man fuck the rest. I'd be hopeless. I wish I could rape and snuff myself.

>>20890143
>>20890196
>>20890212
Fuck off

Thoughts on screenwriting?

>>20890291
>I am actually stupid
we know
>I need
>Good Dialogue
>Describe scenes
>Very very distinct character voices
No no no no no no. You need to create one character. Just one. You need to give that character an objective that character is trying to accomplish. Once you have that one character you can create more. You need to actually do something instead of shitting up these threads you double nigger.

Disco Elysium is already written like a screenplay, isn't it? I have to kill myself. I hate Robert Kurvitz, I want to rape him and eat him, cum in his corpse.
>>20890324
I already have that.

Janitors please for the love of Christ remove this off topic shit already

video game studio higher scriptwriters, so sure

>>20890340
The avatarfag is janny retard.

>>20890347
It's over. I can't escape Disco Elysium. I can't escape Disco Elysium. I can't escape Disco Elysium.
How I wish I could rape him to death for good measure. I'd take a cut and eat.

Disco Elysium is even the alternative idea, I am beyond hopeless. I am getting ready to kill myself. Guns, no. Fire.

>>20890352
Do I have to seriously get on IRC and talk to a /lit/ moderator to tell them one of their schweinhunds is off their fucking leash

>>20890324
Then how to make playable dialogue that people like? I have some characters with safe personalities, I know they print dialogue on their own. Not all are like this.

>>20890055
How do you write a tragic hero?

>>20890392
Post a scene you've written
I know, I know
>implying you've written anything
stop being a nigger

>>20890391
Good luck with that
Mods hate every single one of you

Name one film

>>20890391
yes those reddit tranny kikes love it when people interrupt their furry ERP

>>20890451
Jackie Chan.

>>20890336
You realize that games are written by a team of dozens of writers right? Kurvitz may be responsible for the initial story but what you are experiencing is a major team effort.

If you want to write a novel (which is the work of a single author) look at what disco Elysium is based on, basically a standard dashiell hammett novel. Try using that as your model.

>>20890466
Samefag.

>>20890082
What do you mean? Link?

I got delayed in writing a day because of a pest infestation but I fixed it with boric acid! I think I only wrote 200 words yesterday because I kept thinking about the bugs.

>>20890437
I have some stuff. Not feeling confident.
>>20890466
I'm making a game anon.

>>20890525
>I'm making a game
Then you're off topic and need to be posting in the amateur game dev general on /vg/.

>>20890212

I recommend you go and play sunless skies.

That game is the textbook example on how to create a great atmosphere with absolutely no cinematography. Here’s how they did it.

>Sound design.
The sound effects basically make you always on edge, from the loud noise of your engine to the weird fleshy noises that the monsters make. Don’t even get me started on those fucking bees.

>art direction

The entire game has a consistent and great art direction. Every single pixel reinforces that you’re fucked, you shouldn’t be here and that a trip to Tesco here makes the Franklin expedition look like a vacation at a five star hotel on the Bahamas.

>extremely descriptive writing.

Sunless Skies really make sure that whatever you can’t see you’re going to imagine. This even goes to the point that characters don’t have names but descriptors, stuff like ‘the incognito princess’, ‘the rat brigade’ and people like that.

>a good soundtrack.

A good soundtrack that’s well implemented can really elevate an experience. Sunless Skies is a great example of that, you’ve never felt relief until you’ve heard that intro to ‘the high wilderness’ start playing after you have been fighting for your life so you can afford to feed your crew something else then human flesh.

>high, but fair difficulty

That’s the best way to make the player care about their decisions. Punish mistakes heavily but also reward good decisions. Make sure that the player will barely survive the first couple of hours before actually achieving anything of importance. Remember that for this to work the player must be punished for bad decisions both while during scripted sequences and during unscripted gameplay.

Elysiumfag, why don't you become a tripfag already? I wish I could call you a faggot in other threads too.

>>20890574
Is it better than the first one?

>>20890055
Thinking about becoming a Writer. How do I get started and how do I become better at it? How much do Writers usually get paid? Would I have time for writing if I was a doctor?

>>20890623
https://www.google.com/

>>20890623
This book will teach you the business side. You get started by thinking of a story you want to write and writing it. You'll be shit for about 5 good years before you get better; you can accelerate this by reading a lot of high quality books that you want to write like.
Writers get paid what their network pays them. If you're just interested in selling novels, keep a day job. If you're aiming to become a doctor, Anton Chekov was a doctor and a very good writer of short stories. It's doable.

Stop replying to the avatar fag.

>>20890675
It's probably just samefagging. Anybody who comes here knows with any regularity knows.

>>20890451
Bros?

>>20890605

Yeah, the UI doesn’t suck this time around.

You know what's fun? Taking stuff you think wasn't done well and do it yourself. Take how EVA deconstructed mecha and proceed to do it right
>Even if you're a grown-ass man, this shit is traumatizing. You're in a fucking death trap machine fighting against stuff that can quite literally flatten entire armies.
>It's expensive, needs constant maintenance, and overall isn't that good. But it's more effective than nukes and armies
>Even if you have this technology, what are you going to do with it when the threat passes, if it ever does? Use it for war?
>The guilt of killing living creatures will never, ever leave you.

Thoughts?

>>20890987
True. I'm somewhat unsatisfied with the lack of consequence of using powers and that's why my setting has a huge one for people: Discovering one's potential and expanding it requires self-reflection and it brings one closer to an uncertain end each time.

>>20890998
Yeah: my favorite thing to write about is intense emotions and that's where my prose shines strongest. Otherwise the prose in-between is plain and simple

>>20891003
I also go out of my way to humanize all sides of the conflict. One of the main characters is a giant monster, for fucks sake. His entire character arc is about how he has a complete lack of purpose in the world and how he doesn't actually belong anywhere.

>>20891049
>humanize all sides
cringe get out space bug idea guy

>>20891049
That one is nice too. My setting takes place on a world that's dying and the conflict is between people who want to eliminate life and death entirely to preserve this world while the other side wishes to destroy it so that life itself and the memories of the world will live on.

How does this read?

>>20891087
People read, not documents, anon.

>>20891087
Like you will never be a published author.

>>20891124
whew... good thing Amazon will let me publish any crap that i can shit out

>>20891124
now share yours

How do you specifically improve from reading good books? I’ve read Moby Dick, Blood Meridian, Heart of Darkness, Shakespeare, the likes, but I haven’t noticed any significant improvement in my writing whether it’s prose or the actual writing itself. Am I not reading them enough? Should I try to write like these authors to see what it is I like about them?

>>20891124
You bring no value to this conversation, failed crab.

>>20890998
If a random ladyboy hooker will have monkeypox.

I like to give my characters silly inside joke nicknames when I'm thinking about them.

>>20891199
Copy great works word for word.

>>20891087
skipped a lot of the first half..
i haven't really read a lot of this style of first person self narration; but, there's a lot of 'molly said' which reads like a different sort of narration/pov.. instead of 'she asked me to', etc.
a hunter probably wouldn't shoot a boar between the eyes.. it's a small target and their skulls there are probably angled and thick.
i think i spotted some grammatical errors
probably fine as some RR serial stuff

I just got told that power fantasy is the peak of entertainment right now, and MCs should be edgy and violent to satisfy the reader's frustrations with modern life.

What's the quickest you've disregarded someone's opinion, /wg/?

>>20891199
how the fuck are you going to learn from 100+ year old books/plays that barely use the same language? think about what your goal is and then read relevant material.
what is your goal?

>>20891199
You're not going to see your own improvements, the human brain isn't really wired to see changes that subtle. What will happen is you will absorb the skill subconciously and your style will shift to a deeper and more engaging level of prose, while your plots will begin to tackle weightier subjects and dramas.

Your only mistake right now is thinking you can't learn from bad books. You should read formulaic stuff and think about what the formula is the way it is.

>>20891199
I would personally read them for enjoyment and let what makes them good come out to you organically. Allow yourself imitation and even blatant plagiarism until you get a feel for what works with your voice and style and what can be left to Melville, Conrad, McCarthy, etc. For example I really enjoyed Joyce but I hated the difficult words he chose, even though I really respected his ability to find the exact right word to convey an exact and specific meaning. So I choose not to pick obscure words for readability, though I did take in his penchant for metaphor.

>>20891087
>>20891236
also, you were close to having a sort of twist at the end. it might've been cute if you were less literal leading up before likening butchering the boar to molly or whatever you were going for.. by leading the reader on without making it as obvious, or even hiding the fact, that she was going to kill her then.

>>20891283
I’m a stranger to bad books, is there a list of them? I’m trying to write fantasy or horror in particular.

>>20891305
You can start with the NYT best seller list, maybe this years hugo award nominees

>>20891308
I can’t get over my overwhelming sense of disgust, at least, enough of it for me to see what makes them bad objectively.

>>20891321
don't out yourself as under 18

>>20891199
I don't think you can improve that way. In any other endeavor we accept that passive consumption doesn't do anything for creation. Reduce writing to carpentry or car repair. How would you learn to make a table? You can look up a video on youtube then follow along with your own tools and materials step-by-step. You repeat it a few times until you can do the whole thing on your own. Then you start playing with variations.

>>20891236
You absolutely would not try to headshot a boar from any angle or distance if you had any choice. That is literally Rule #1 of pig hunting.

If Defenestration is killing someone by throwing them out of a window, then what is Equinestration?

>>20891346
>what is Equinestration
It's not.

>>20891355
Well not with that attitude.

>>20890055
I will stop deleting threads as soon as you delete the anime writing

>>20891358
Death by horses has been pretty well capitalized on, the good ones are named.

Is there a market for fellowship style high fantasy anymore or am I wasting my time?

>>20891346
>Defenestration
>killing someone by throwing them out of a window
the etymology of the word comes from the german, das fenster, window. nowhere is killing implied. In the famous event, the defenestration of prague, the person thrown out the window survived by landing in a big pile of hay and manure. they weren't trying to kill him, only humiliate

what are the best AI writing tools? I’ve seen sudoerite and novelAI get talked about on here. Is there one that i more an editor than a text generator?

>>20891381
Try SubTXT? It's like an outliner.

>>20891384
>OpenAI
Into the trash it goes.

>>20891391
Do y'all even write smut?

>>20891359
Go to bed, grandpa.
You're just not "with it" anymore.

>>20890987
the boys nails this too

>>20891094
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_(grammar)#Middle_voice

>>20891371
this isn’t a great question as you’re assuming too much..
like, what sort of high fantasy.. sub.. sub genres keywords are people typing into amazon to begin with?
are publishers even distinguishing them in this manner?
would your story be immediately identifiable as a ‘fellowship’ style to begin with? how would you distinguish thst from any fantasy novel with a large cast? etc.
sorry, anyway.. yes. epic high fantasy is huge and plenty of them have a crew of allied characters

>>20891423
I'm not reading all that but I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened.

>>20891381
Talk to Transformer was the peak of AI ghostwriting as far as I'm concerned. It's gone now I think. You could get some pretty schizo shit out of it back though. Like interesting schizo shit not /x/ copypasta schizo shit. That's their real value, putting things together in unexpected ways. They don't value language or have nearly the same rules as we do. I don't see how that would be nearly as beneficial in an editorial capacity.

>>20891384
>>20891381
cool, how would you utilize these? to try and see your ideas somewhat randomly reiterated to help with block?

>>20890987

I’m just here breaking my back trying to make steampunk actually have sense.

I hope I do it right.

>>20891437
It's really good for getting your noggin jogging but sometimes it generates pure kino like this.

It's a vehicle you have to drive and I mostly use it to fill in gaps.

>>20891445
Uh oh. The AI is definitely planning to slaughter the entire human race.

>>20891308
>This year's Hugo's
No. If I wanted tranny afro futurism I'd just read your diary, desu.

>>20891494
Sometimes it's a gacha machine you have to pull over and over again to get something usable, other times you get cool things like this really quickly.

>>20891303
>>20891236
Thank you. The excerpt is in the end and it's the 3rd chapter, so the protagonist is already known to be a killer to the reader. But I will relook at it and rewrite it differently.

What's the difference between passive reading and active reading?

>>20891445
Nice.

>>20891583
What's the differenve between reading and writing?

>>20891583
sounds like one refers to actively taking mental notes of what the author is trying to do/how they did it.. getting inside their head
i suppose i could have googled, and so could have you; but that's no fun. i would just take my word for it

Is it better to write prose like this just to sound unique or just keep it simple stupid?

1. Every step behind me echoed my escort’s.
2. My escort's steps echoed behind me.
3. Behind me, my escort's steps echoed.

???

I can't do this anymore /wg/. Every time I try to write I feel overwhelmed and helpless. My pace has reduced to a crawl. Breaks, therapy and medications haven't helped. I get paralyzed by the simplest problems. It's all crippling. i feel like my career is over and just want to die

>>20891648
oh well.

>>20891648
Try an AI. novelai.net

It takes some learning to unlock it's full potential, but it's really cool once you get it going.

Use it to brainstorm ideas and don't be afraid to edit and reroll as needed.

>>20891340
>>20891303
Okay okay I'll have the arrow go through the neck of the pig.

>>20891643
use mine instead of me for 1st and 2st choice

>>20891689
I don't know the context because didn't read but that would be a terrible shot.

>>20891648
kill yourself faggot lmao

>>20891643
god imagine giving even the slightest shit about this, what a buncha fucking queers . i bet your girlfriend is real proud of your cock

>>20891648
Was in a very similar situation, but Watching Andrew Tate and reading Call of The Crocodile made me go back to writing in no time

>>20891820
Same. Reading Call of the Crocodile rekindled my love for writing too. That was a blast to read through. I was impressed by just how imaginative that book truly is.

>>20891820
>>20891883
This is why your fake reviews were deleted Gardner.

>>20891924
>>20891750

Not him but do you realize GR is advertising Gardner’s books now?

>>20891930
No it's not Gardner.

>>20891930
Holy shit.

>>20891932
Look at what he linked.

>>20891930
There is nothing wrong with one of the best pieces of modern literature being recognized for what it is. Everyone should aspire to be like F. Gardner and follow his steps if you want to be a successful writer one day.

>>20891930
Wait. What? Did F Gardner win a contest or something? His books are popping up under all the big horror novels. Even the old classic ones.

>>20891930

I think it's time we all officialize F. Gardner being the one true king of /wg/ and stick his well deserved amazon page in the OP

>>20891494
Hey, watch this. Mecha AI for context.
“Why did you come here?”
>That oddly expressive synthetic voice echoed through the bay. I knew how to respond
“Not much. Just wanted to talk”
>My voice echoed softly, unlike his
“Wait. Let me guess. You wanted to ask me about how I feel, correct?”
>I slowly nodded
“Fine. I never get anyone to ramble about this at, so I guess I’m lucky.”
>I gave his system a slightly intrigued look
“Do you know how I feel being what I am? I’m an artificial intelligence, but I can feel. I can feel emotions, think in creative ways, and am completely conscious and aware of my surroundings and situation, just like a person.
“You say it like that’s a problem. Why?”
>I interjected.
“Because I’m also installed in a giant robot as an assistant for some reason. I don’t see why I would need emotions in order to do that. They could have just given me a bunch of information on human psychology and I’d be good to go. Why did they go the extra mile and make me able to feel and think independently of my job?”
Does this AI sound evil?

>>20891997
Gardnerchads…..I kneel….

Just yesterday I named my wife's son "F. Gardner" and the 5 years writer's block stuck in my head suddenly disappeared holy shit this is literal magic i recommend everyone here do the same

If I published my book(s) on KDP would you guys read it?

>>20892137
No. You're welcome.

>>20892144
wtf bro

>>20892137
Depends on the book
I like Horror and if it has an interesting start I might give it a chance

>>20892240
In that case, boy do I have just the book for you. See pic. Not sure if you’ve ever heard of this little known gem.

>>20892275
fuck off

Sharing a chapter. It's chapter 17 but you don't need prior context.

https://pastebin.com/XAiKmL9E

>>20892328
boring

>>20892328
>I was sat among tall yellowish reeds just shy of a wide dirt road.
I'd use 'I was sitting'- past progressive- action continuing at a particular past time


>I was sitting among tall yellowish reeds, just shy of a wide dirt road. I was red from sunburn, hungry and thirsty, with sore feet. I’d hobbled for half the day, stopping every few minutes to sit down and rest, when I found a large yellow blister on my left heel. I popped it.

>>20892240
Actually weirdly I started writing out a Frankenstein based short story just for practice since it's public domain and I like spooky things. My dad is an avid reader and loves Halloween and horror so was gonna give it to him as a little Halloween gift in a couple months. Might also shit it out in publishing too since why not.

>>20892395
Nice, thanks!

I've noticed these threads have a sort of ebb and flow to them. For a few dozen threads, all is well. No off topic garbage, seething pseuds and jannies or gardner spam. Then, out of the blue, everything turns right back to rancid shit. What a fascinating phenomenon. Also tripfags, jannies and gardnerposters deserve to be skinned alive.

>>20892328
I'd say "Hungry. Thirsty." instead of "Hungering. Thirsting." and I'd give some more sensory descriptions. Smells, tastes. You can say the PoV's mouth feels like a desert, talk about how uncomfortable and clammy his clothes feel from being soaked in sweat, little things like that to really give a bit of oomph to the whole scene.

In terms of dialogue, I think you've an issue with talking heads especially in the scene after they eat the porridge. He said she said til the end. Have them do something to break up the monotony of line after line of dialogue. Have them prod at the fire, scratch at bodyparts, fidget, anything. It might be a matter of taste, but imo having 3 or 4 + lines of uninterrupted dialogue broken up only by "he said" is generally something you don't want to have.

>>20892445
Yeah good point about the talking heads part. Much appreciated.

1.1k words today.
Also made pizza and strudel.
It feels weird to have consistent yet nonverbal readers.

>>20892577
I wrote 2k words in an hour by accident just typing out entries in a new project I started tonight.

wtf are you people doing with your time?

>>20892581
Lurking 4chan and complaining about how hard it is to write, oh woe is me I am such a tortured artist, my soul cries out but no one will hear let me post another picture of Rhea Seehorn or talk about F. Gardner some more

>>20891648
Don't give up. You still have a long way to go.
Thomas Harris once likened writing to going into an office. Someday you show up and the coffee's hot, the energy is amped, and everything just clicks. Other times you show up and nobody wants to work, your brain is fried, and the whole job seems like a waste of your time.
But you still show up to work at it every day, no matter what.
So don't quit.
You will be a writer.
You will make it.

Saw the trailer for this, looks gay.

>>20891648
I realized, one reason I didn't like writing recently is because I am trying to write something about angels and the bible and try hard to adjust my tone fitting to the subject
I discovered that, when I don't restrict my style and try to write in a style more suitable for myself, I have a lot more fun writing, and it comes naturally

>>20892718
Office workers get the weekends off...

I want to write like Patterson.

I should just alternate between different perspectives, right?

>>20891648
just write a little every day
even if it's just a sentence
you'll eventually gain confidence
i bet it has nothing to do with writing, it's just that you don't know where the story is going.

>>20892734
it's a detective story
a mystery
the detective has amnesia which is a cliche

>>20893032
he has other writers write his books
then he puts his name on it
one of the richest authors around
steven king hates him

>>20893263
If there is no other persons name credited as author anywhere on or in the book paterson wrote it. Along came a spider he wrote that. If there is another credited author. Then paterson gave the author an outline for the story wanted written a beginning middle end etc etc then the second credited author fills in all the gaps. Thats how that happens. But the earlier work by paterson where hes only mentioned. He actually wrote those books

What's a novel where the main character is a total loser with no real friends?

>>20893286
paradise lost

>>20893032
Whats your favorite book of his? I'm not familiar, only that there is an enormous shelf of his books at the used book store.
I'll read the one you like the best.
Thanks in advance.

Has anyone of you tried learning a language for fun? How long can I get to a decent level in French to read some lit? I can give it about 30-40 minutes each day. Self studying.
Or you can suggest any other language to learn because I just waste too much time doing literally nothing, something like learning a new language will be a challenge. I also want to try it because I learnt my native tongue and english from an early age and haven't tried learning a totally new language from scratch.

>>20893370
I was doing japanese duolingo for about a month and was doing pretty good. Learned to read Katakana and Hiragana and that was pretty cool.

I should go back but my ADHD brain is only good at hyper-fixating on a thing for about a month before losing interest completely and moving on to the next thing.

>>20890055
I found my 17 year old self's diary. What do you think of his prose?

>>20893434

>>20893439

>>20893434
>>20893439
>>20893443
Anne Frank wannabe. Cringe.

>>20893434
>that that's

>>20893331
Along came a spider is the best

>>20891087
>Dressed, and leaving my room, I saw Molly fully dressed
Should be no comma in "Dressed and leaving".
Also, you used "dressed" twice in one sentence; you generally want to avoid repetition like that. Personally I'd remove the second "dressed" entirely and just write "I saw Molly in a thick hide coat, [...]"
>"I can provide you with breakfast before you leave on your trip."
>"Will I be disrupting your hunt?"
Reads as too formal for the situation, but then again maybe these are supposed to be formal characters. If not, then make it sound more casual.

>"Are you going hunting?"
>"Will I be disrupting your hunt?"
>"Would you mind if I joined you on your hunt?"
Too much "hunt" and "hunting", and especially "your hunt". "Will I be disrupting you?" and "Would you mind if I joined you?" suffices plenty.
>Molly pointed to a pile of feces
Not that important but "droppings" or "excrement" sounds more fitting for the tone and context.
>I watched as her sword cut and pushed aside various fauna
"Fauna" is wildlife; "flora" is plant life. I'm pretty sure you meant the latter.

Out of curiosity, where do you guys start your stories, not where the book starts, but where the idea starts. Mine inevitably start from the emotional climax of the story, sometimes I'll have had some idea of what comes before, or who the characters are, but the climax is usually where it becomes concrete as to what I want to happen, and then I work from there back and forth.

>>20893812
It starts with characters I want to explore. Sometimes they resemble real people, other times they're invented from whole cloth. The "story" is just whatever occurs around, inside of and due to these characters.

My brothers and sisters,
I'm writing a non-fiction book, but every single book I've read for it I've read either on Calibre or on a Kindle, and I don't know if I should put references to the Calibre/Kindle positions or if I should get the PDFs and put the pages from there. Plus, I'm afraid that if I put Calibre positions on the references, people are going to think that I pirated every single book I cite (as I really did, of course)
What do you guys think?

>>20891199
It just kinda happens. I used to write years ago and I sucked. I wrote nothing for years, then when I came back to it I was writing 10 times better without having ever consciously tried to improve in any regard.
The more you read, better your unconscious mind is at picking out which patterns feel right—patterns of the story and of the prose—and which ones feel off. Then to take full advantage of that, all that's left is for you to listen to your unconscious so you can be aware of what works and what doesn't.

>>20890055
Writing a screenplay treatment lads
This ain't easy

>>20893850
You should have coffee. Coffee would help you think. But first you should write something, then reward yourself with coffee. Coffee and a muffin.

>>20893825
>non-fiction book
what are your qualifications and what are you writing about? what about peer-review?
is this philosophy? or are you bringing out a cookbook?
also: nobody is going to give a fuck if you pirated the books you cited as long as you correctly put in the side-number and use citation correctly
Hell, I remember doing my bachelors and one book was so hard to come by, I used Google books to get the parts I needed, and my prof never asked me
>Oh, but have you actually BOUGHT those books?

>>20893857
I don't drink coffee, it makes me anxious and jittery
Would quite like a muffin though

>>20893862
On journaling. I probably have no qualifications for it, and I don't know if there would be any. I'm hoping that the extensive research will compensate for it, but I wouldn't hate to have to go to college for something that would give me a de facto qualification for it. Maybe psychology?
>peer-review
I am planning to do it after I finish writing and polishing it.
>also: nobody is going to give a fuck if you pirated the books you cited as long as you correctly put in the side-number and use citation correctly
>Hell, I remember doing my bachelors and one book was so hard to come by, I used Google books to get the parts I needed, and my prof never asked me
Thanks, fren.

>>20893812
I also start at the climax. All my best story ideas start at the climax/emotional relief/catharsis and then I work backwards to get to where I need to start and fill in the rest along the way. I aim for an emotion or feeling and construct the rest to get there.

>>20893943
Drink tea anon. No jitters. Both calming and stimulating at same time.

How do I write a rape scene without making it apparent I had a raging boner while doing so?

>>20893857
Based and F Gardnerpilled.

>>20892577
>>20892581
I wrote not your blog.

>>20893746
Thank you anon. I caught the flora thing later too. But thanks

Chapter 24 of A Hero Among Monsters just went up on Scribble Hub. https://www.scribblehub.com/series/436962/a-hero-among-monsters/

>>20893812
on the start protagonist's story arc. if he's an alcoholic say, he'll be getting thrown out of a bar because he's too drunk and causing a scene

>>20892137
If it's on KU, yes, absolutely.

seriously confused
when would you use narration versus thoughts?

>>20894294
Never use either. Show, don’t tell.

>>20894301
Go film a movie and get out of here.

>>20890321
I'd love to do more of it but my screenplays always wind up up turning into novels

>>20890415
Read books with tragic heroes and think about them as you write your own.

>>20894294
there are at least half a dozen ways to narrate; so it REALLY does depend. mainly by how many significant characters you have, with their own separate + parallel stories.
if you want to share anything or give more context, i can give you a clearer example.

>>20894294
>when would you use narration versus thoughts?
Kind of varies with your POV, but direct thoughts are more dialogue-like in that they are very focused on immediate experiences/reactions. I think the theory is that reading a ton of thoughts can get exhausting.

My impression is narration can often function as reflective thoughts of the POV character (or if from a narrator, can be flavored by that POV) and can jump across time/topics more easily.

>>20894359
>My impression is narration can often function as reflective thoughts of the POV character (or if from a narrator, can be flavored by that POV)
Is this not the standard way to write? The "limited" in third-person, omniscient, limited? I've always used a bit of narration to establish time and place, then enter the character's head as quickly as possible, narrating only what they experience and with a tone that reflects how they experience it. From the books I read, at least, this seems to be fairly standard.

My wife took bbc today.
I now must help her bear this spawn
There is noth'ng I can do but pray
Why did I stop now like a fawn

>>20894147
In order for it to be “Gardnerpilled” you’d have to chain-smoke while drinking the coffee.

>>20894498
and imagining children being molested and killed

the entire story outline in one hour
I hope I can at least get 150 pages together

>"I liked Westworld when it was about cowboy robots in the park, I lost interest when it became about the robot uprising outside"
>"I liked Game of Thrones when it was about court politics and scheming, I lost interest when it became about the fantasy dragons and zombies"
>"I liked One Punch man when it was about parody of the week, I lost interest" etc etc

Opinions like these scare me because the story I've been working on has such a shift around the mid-point and I'm afraid it won't be as interesting as the initial pitch and premise

is this readable and entertaining

“Help!” He cried. His voice trembled and shook with the unsteadiness of a drunk cripple angry at the world for what it had done to him, and for what he had done to himself, crying out into the empty crowds on a Friday night.

>>20894621
Very Gardnerian.

>>20894621
Is he a drunk cripple or just crying like one?
"trembled and shook with unsteadiness" is extra redundant.
"Help!" doesn't match a feeling of anger.

>>20894621
Fuck instead of help sounds better.

>>20894434
I think that is generally the way people do it, but remember that in any form of 3rd it is technically a narrator that is telling the story regardless. The narrator can be more reflective or in the moment, more visible or invisible, all as matter of style.

So no wrong answer but I guess you're defining the narrator's voice for that story.

Fuck this was hard to see in my inbox today.

>>20894799
you may want to consider unsubscribing from that particular newsletter

>>20894634
F Gardner does honestly have a unique style of prose.

>>20894799
>books in the news
no shit sherlock, opened a newspaper lately?

>>20894882
you mean /x/ does

>>20894799
it's not like gays are underrepresented in literature either
in fact, they're probably overrepresented

>>20894909
>probably

>>20894939
I mean in classical literature, the history of all literature is littered with plenty of gays.

>>20894906
Well yeah. The big twist in Call of the Crocodile is the most /x/ thing I’ve ever read in my life. That book is pretty much just a long creepypasta in novel form about making tulpas.

>>20895009
I think they’re all like that. Call of the Arcade is even about Polybius. That creepy-pasta game the AVGN did a video about. Gardner even has the /x/ Backrooms in his books. It’s literally /x/ : The Book Series. Which is absolutely part of their appeal.

I pray to God every night that anyone who talks about F. GARDNER and his works dies from tuberculosis

>>20895259
This I also pray for the death of F A Gardner

>>20890055
I'm free tonight and tomorrow and am in the mood for light reading; if anyone wants to share their writing I'll read through it and critique to the best of my ability.

>>20894799
I guess this is why my mum reads we novels about some girl getting reincarnated into ancient China and finding tokens.

>>20895335
if those are her only choices then your mother is clearly making the right choice

>Wrote a book
>Immediately started the second one
>Lowkey burnt out

Sucks desu. I've taken some genuine time off from writing to read whatever and focus on different hobbies. Red Dragon had a lucky dip thing going on with darts for £30 so I'm waiting to see what I get even though the ones I play are 18g lol.

Anyone have success on smashwords? Ive stopped making money all of a sudden.

>>20895313
My book is the first result if you type in amazon, "Daddy and step-daughter bundle"

>>20895488
>step-daddy
>dick hicks

>>20895488
Did you make moolah on this?

>>20895527
if people read

>>20895313
https://litter.catbox.moe/y9aybo.pdf

if you want to read my shitty story...

>>20895488
She oddly looks like my sister in law.
How come you ended up writing smut? Any advice? What has your journey been like so far? Inspirations?

>Go to local writing meetup.
>Guy in a skirt and long black fingernails is there.
>Mentions that he’s writing a book about a teenager coming out.
Why is it every time I try to meet other writers they’re all god damn faggots?

>>20895627
Anon, when was the last time you looked in the mirror?

>>20895634
I'll have you know I have't written any stories with gay shit in them in at least a year.

>>20891237
Discarding most opinions in this thread, actually.

>You should just read more books and let your unconscious mind pick out patterns.
>That's the best way to improve.
You guys seriously give this out as advice?

>>20895690
Have you tried not being a fucking gay midwit?

>>20895404
Isn’t that exactly what F Gardner does? I don’t see any reason why you can’t immediately just start another book. You can do it. Don’t listen to the doomers here who say otherwise.

>>20895718
I’m surprised he’s able to consistently come up with baffling twists if that’s how he works. F. Gardner has a lot of books so it’s possible he might write them all back to back.

>>20891648
I can shill this you in good conscience.

>>20895697
Have you tried writing something good?

Played my inspirations today, I have to stick to my original vision. Regardless of disco elysium existing.
I think I want clinical but vivid prose.
>>20890574
Thanks anon. Ill play it shortly

Tss tss tss... F. Gardner? What about fawkin F. Poolboy or sumpthin'?

>>20893812
Same, I then work out what happened before it.

>>20895819
>I'm playing games to help me write better.
Write me the opening to a jrpg or be forever doomed to dreaming of success.

>>20896009
Opie and Anthony was a mistake. Just see the last Presidential debate for proof.

>>20896087
you don't understand anon, I need to wait for the muse to strike!
otherwise I'll never ascend to the vaunted heights of disco elysium
so it's several hours of gaymen while I practice fellatio on my dragon dildo collection
don't worry, I'll be sure to keep the thread updated on my game progress

>>20896009
Good one Chip

>>20896097
Meh, they gave me hours of Patrice content, so I can't say they were entirely a mistake.

>>20896120
>>20896087
Forget that, I have been working on porting one of my comic scenes into writing and I cant do it.
Might just end up sleeping

Anyone make money self publishing? Post advice

https://dickhicks.substack.com/p/coming-soon?utm_source=substack%2C%2Fprofile%2F102525439-dick-hicks&utm_medium=web%2Creader2&utm_campaign=substack_profile&showWelcome=true

>>20895313
https://litter.catbox.moe/ykr7f1.pdf
~1k words, unfinished but it is a new voice I was messing with a few weeks ago and am considering as a sci-fi novella.

>>20894882
Not if you include 2nd-graders as his peers.

Great minds talk about ideas.
Middling minds talk about events.
Small minds talk about people.
The smallest minds talk about themselves.

>>20896232
>Most people think of growing up as picking up your bag and leaving home, but you haven't really grown up until you've realized there's no home to go back to. That's because the life you thought you had was just an idea cooked up by your folks, and that beautiful, parental ideal wears pretty thin after you start popping pimples and humping anything with a pair of legs.

>I’m old now, ended up making myself a home out here on the edgeworlds. I got
kids caterwauling around, raising hell, and more wives itching for it than I got it to give
anymore - that "it" being money, in case you never had a wife. But being a man is all about trying to make what you got into something that you'd want. Fortunately what I had wasn’t exactly hard to beat.

I have the scene drawn here in front of me, it's here. But I can't do it. I can't write. I should have made a game without need for dialogue. I should have done that and I know character design alone would help me.

That's what I get for trying to make my comic into a game. I should have done something else with my life now I HAVE to kill myself. I HAVE TO TAKE THE GUN AND KILL MYSELF

>>20896304
>>20896323
I knew it wasn't worth the time to help you.
You're just too schizo.

>nooo muhhh comic
I'll kill myself in a simple way. I'd kill myself in a simple way if I had earned this, but I hadn't and now I am going to kill myself. It's performative first and emotional at the end, killing myself in a simple clean way is too sane. I say I would do it because it's fast and clean but I wouldn't do it, it's not me. If I do it and I will, it will be over correction, sudden, brutal and dramatic, I'll ignite and end it.

>AI has gotten decent enough that there are AI factories that shit out tons of books
>monkeys don't even bother fixing errors
>mass sell them on amazon

We'll never make it now

>>20896272
>"it" being money, in case you never had a wife
I know all too well, it would be detailed more later but basically he's a wheelchair bound billionaire who lives on a deep-space space station after several novellas worth of outlaw adventures and buys a dozen mormon brides and settles down by the time he writes his memoir

In a better climate I would have a second option. I'd travel and fly and book and look for him, or the other one, any hero would do. I'd go over there and kill them first. Not out of envy or anger but it's what's expected of me and that I can and should deliver. Kurvitz or the other one, there are many like those two. I would just kill one and one is enough and one will do just fine.

>>20896304
>>20896323
>>20896341
George Carlin once described someone like you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dawR-dPdkY

>>20896353
Yes we will. F Gardner made it and his books are being promoted by Goodreads. No reason why we can’t repeat this.

I'd kill Kurvitz because that makes it fair. I am the end of things, first me and then another. If I don't kill at least one there was no point to me, I can and I can still do it. But I am moral and my work is not good enough.
It would come across as petty, which I am.
It would come across as envy, which I have.
Do it or not, I am only this, me.

>>20896378
by what standard has he made it?
he still lives at home with his mommy and daddy

I have no prose no talent no charm no skill no time no grace. Slow burn in this fucking skull, I hate every single bone in my body, every vein and nerve. That's not me.

I want to kill myself but I kill myself I end it and that's it. If I can kill myself then I can do more and I should kill Robert Kurvitz. ROBERT KURVITZ. KUR VITZ. KURVITZ.

KUR
VITZ
KURKURVITZ
KURVITZ
KUR

VITZ!

I must kill him and I think I can and I should think about it and plan it and maybe do it if i feel sad enough.

How hard can it be to kill him? I am in the right here. OH KURVITZ! I'd blow him away and for sure. BANG! KURVITZ!

>>20896401
You know that 4chan isn't anonymous to the glowies, right?
I'd be surprised if they don't pick you up for your rambling death threats.

I am not homosexual and not that it matters. A small photo of Kurvitz keeps me company. Folded into a nice tiny square, looks at me when I work, faces the other way for my more private mammal urges. He's always around.

>>20890055
How do I get into writing. Even just my own thoughts or opinions on things.

I have a hard time getting shit down on paper (well document lol)

>>20896421
Don't reply to him.

>>20896397
F Gardner is literally famous and rich. That sounds like a success to me.

I want to kill him and rape him and eat him. That's my final word on the matter. Robert kurvitz is simply put, my favorite person.
>>20896421
More reason to do it then. I'm well aware.

>>20896448
Kek. I haven’t seen someone get BTFO by a single response in so long. Wonder what his cope will be to this.

I’m so glad I saved this screencap.

>>20896448
His parents are rich. He is not. He's a NEET and he sponges off of them.

>>20896490
>Bruce Wayne is not rich. His parents were.

This is your logic.

>>20896503
Are the pseud's parents dead, too?
Also, Bruce Wayne wasn't a NEET...he was the head of a large company.
Also...he was fictitious.

>>20896448
Proof?

>>20896514
F Gardner practically runs a publishing company with the amount of books he’s had. You’re grasping for straws.

>>20896557
His books aren't profitable.
Not by a long shot.
That's why he still lives at home with mommy and daddy.
And Amazon publishes them, not him.
He's too timid to engage in Jason Bryan style self-publishing.

>>20896514
You’re right. Except F Gardner is real and his wealth and fame are not fictitious.

>>20896579
His parents' wealth.
He didn't earn any of it.
He was born on third base & acts like he hit a triple.

>>20896570
>His books are not profitable

I remember someone posted the Amazon sales ranking here recently for all the /lit/ books and Call of the Crocodile was proven to sell on a regular basis. It was ranked like a million times higher than the other books. So I don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s demonstrably false. Also see >>20896378
What he said. Like it or not Goodreads advertises Gardner. I can’t even image what kind of mass exposure this must be bringing his books.

>>20896610
>ranked like a million times higher
CotC is presently ranked #468,559 in Kindle Store.
Not exactly a runaway success.
And there are no books ranked below #468,559,000,000, dumbass.
Continue repeatedly bearing false witness...a tradcath like him knows where that'll send him after he dies.

>>20896610
Duh. Call of the Crocodile is massively popular on here and doesn’t even belong on the /wg/ pastebin list of books. That would be like including Mike Ma, Infinite Jest or any other number of memed books on it.

>>20896634
In the last general it was ranked like 200K. Sales probably change everyday. Point is that book is selling.

>>20896639
Yeah...so popular, that he's the only one that talks about it.
Literally no one else does.
Bearing false witness is a mortal sin.
>>20896652
Oooh, #200,000. Not even enough to make a living wage or something.

>>20896674
It’s been out for a couple years and people still talk about it here. I don’t see what the fuss is about it. Not to mention the fact that F. Gardner has like 10 other books.

>>20896686
No, only he talks about it.
Literally no one else does.
And you know it.
Bearing false witness...repeatedly and willingly...Hell awaits.

>>20896694
If you’re implying I’m Gardner then you’ve run out of arguments. Secondly, why is Goodreads promoting it? Why are there videos on YouTube about people talking about it? What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense and is all a massive cope. You can check Goodreads right now and see that he’s being promoted under pretty much any horror title you can look up.

>>20896686
I’m curious why CotC is so talked about in comparison to the other F. Gardner books. People don’t seem to post about his new books as often.

>>20896740
This gets asked in every thread. First book a writer makes is usually their best. Probably the same applies with F. Gardner’s books.

>>20896579
He can’t even afford an editor.

>>20896490
He’s on welfare. Wealthy people can afford editors and vanity presses. They don’t go the diy route. You’re not kidding anybody Gardner

Can we talk about /lit/'s other famous author?

>looking on fiverr to commission some art for a book
>find a good artist with the style I need
>go to checkout to order a commission
>see variety of other options for extra charge
>"License to use work for commercial purposes" fair enough
>"Print quality resolution file" $30 extra

What quality am I gonna be getting it in if not print quality by default? And what mechanism of filesize transfer is costing the extra $30?

>>20896839
Hey man, Photoshop isn't cheap
On the other hand: Krita does the same and it is free
Just looked up on how to make pictures bigger without quality loss
To say it takes like five minutes would be an overstatement

>>20896839
Just sign up for the stablediffusion open beta and do it for free.

>>20896771
Yet he has an unlimited budget for ads that go on forever. The real answer is that F Gardner doesn’t think he needs an editor. I doubt the idea has ever crossed his mind.

>>20896866
Might do that for covers actually.

Whenever /wg/ talks about F Gardner and Call of the Crocodile it gives me a warm sense of community. I love you guys.

Fuck off Gardner.

why can I easily bang out 5000 words for random prompts but struggle to write a paragraph on a project I'm actually invested in?

>>20897139
Maybe that should tell you something about the project.

Is it okay to post excerpts here? I'm going to because I'm a sigma male.

Why do I think CITY doesn’t like trannies? I think CITY doesn’t like trannies because that’s what I’ve seen in my, albeit limited, experience. Though if I can glean this fact from only a limited experience, it could possibly only be more telling how deep the hatred can run here. If people are hatred at the surface level, why should they be expected or forced to push through that surface level hate in order to see “the real city?” Why should they be expected to subjugate themselves to that hate in order to placate the normalfags who can’t stand the fact that they live in a city of hate and perpetuate that hate. Also, when considering how rough around the edges both I, and 4chan, am, I am very well aware how ironic this train of thought is. Regardless, I still think CITY hates trannies, even if I am painting in broad strokes.
I first realized that CITY hated trannies during high school. This one tranny, who I will refer to as Placeholder, went to my school. I ran track and cross country with him. Now, this kid was always a bit of a fag, but in 9th grade he decided to troon out. He started to use female pronouns, went by a girly name, etc. Now, he couldn’t do much because the year was almost over and we had a uniform, but that changed in 10th grade. In 10th grade, he started to dress more like a girl (I will now refer to Placeholder as ‘she’), started speaking in this faggoty high pitched voice, growing out hair etc. The thing is, she didn’t pass. She was a teenaged boy larping as a woman, ie a faggot. And people don’t like that here.
One time, during track season, I was finishing a lap on the track and I heard some nigger on the football field call out “sissy!”
I had longish hair at the time, and I wore a headband when working out, so I turned my head, thinking that the monkey was yelling at me. But he wasn’t, because at that moment I saw Placeholder run by me. My anger gave way to sympathy.
It didn’t stop there either. See, this kid stopped working out with the boys and started to work out with the girls, and as you should know by now, any kind of faggot behavior will get you singled out. And that’s what happened. Keep in mind, this was years ago, and it wasn’t directed at me so I don’t remember all of it. Anyways, even the guys who ran with her in the past started to make fun of her, calling her an ‘it’, talking behind her back, shit like that. I’ll admit, I even joined in talking behind her back and making fun of her.

>>20897249
The coaches even joined in on it, sort of. The head coach was a real firebrand for social justice shit, so he was nice to Placeholder. He let her change in his office and work out with the girls. The head coach was also heavily involved in the teacher walk out, but that’s irrelevant. Anyway, one of the other coaches, who came over to our school from the nigger high school, which once again, irrevelant detail but the nigger high school is CITY Public School’s golden child who can do no wrong and gets an unfair amount of money and attention. Anyway, the other coach was taking roll one day, calling everyone’s name from a list to make sure they were present. Everything was going fine until he got to Placeholder’s name. Guess the list wasn’t updated or something, but the coach kept on saying her deadname, once, twice, three times, and eventually we hear this exasperated and meek voice call out, “Ugh, here.” Guess the coach didn’t like that, because he started to go off in this stern voice, “Why didn’t you say here the first time?” “When I say your name you need to say that you are here.” It was pretty awkward and I felt bad for her again.
She stopped going to my high school in 11th grade, transferred out. I caught up with her years later on Snapchat. She said she was bullied so bad she had to switch schools. I apologized for how I acted, and what she said broke my heart. She said that she didn’t notice, that I was one of the better ones. She also said that she wasn’t allowed to get on HRT until age 18.
I’m not really sure what to make of this fact. We got this kid, who was bullied so bad she had to change schools, who basically honmoded for months in high school, and then we both start HRT around the same time. Medically and shit, we’re at the same place transition wise but I didn’t have to go through any of the bs she did. I just repped for most of high school and got on HRT in the final months of high school. Feels even worse because I think I look better than her. But I think there is a happy ending for her. Because she had honmoded, she learned what didn’t work for her, fashion and clothing wise. She’s actually living as a woman and shit now, but I’m still me, still in my room, still boymoding.

>>20897249
>>20897256
post in /pol/ and /lgbt/

>>20890055
Hello guys, I used to be a regular from /pol and /fit, but now I am a regular in /biz mostly and somewhat /tv, sometimes /out and /an.
Anyway I've almost made it because of /biz and my own persistance and am thinking about what to do after I actually make it. (I'm about 40% of the way there right now AKA financially free).
I'm thinking about the next step, and have been creative in the past (making music, being in a band, etc.) so I want to redirect my later life efforts to art.
Once I fully make it, I have ideas of writing a book, possibly science fiction with deep lore and philosophy ingrates within it.
Can someone here please direct me in what to learn/study? I am new to this art medium, but am looking to do years of research like George Lucas or Tolken or Frank Herbert did for example.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

>>20897420
Study the works of F. Gardner. He is our biggest success here.

>>20897427
Do you have any torrent/links to his work please? What will I learn from him?

>>20897433
that no matter how much shit you write, as long as you do it for the meme you'll get a paying audience
also the power of advertising

>>20897433
For one he’s a marketing genius. He’s the first person to think to buy 4chan ads. He has totally off the rails “epic twists” in his books and self inserts as an actual character in his stories. Think Chris-Chan or Tommy Wiseau but for books. His books are basically edgelord adult level Goosebumps. One of them even happens to be a Pokémon ripoff but gory and horror themed. I don’t have a link but I’ve seen others post it before.

>>20897435
Okay I've been a regular at 4chan since 2016 (fine I'm a 'tourist') but am not sure what you mean by 'doing it for the meme'. I've always wanted to make a philosophical space opera which pushes my views on to the audience in a subtle way. Something more sophisticated and calculated with some drama and action intertwined. Please elaborate on memeing this into existence.

>>20897443
Okay, so what am I looking to study? His writing style or his 'meme' ideas of turning real memes into ironic versions of themselves in his stories?

>>20897445
He means how F Gardner literally memed his way to being a famous author from 4chan ads and all around autism.

>>20897450
All of the above. Except with Gardner it’s genuine so that part is up to you to figure out how to emulate. It hasn’t been repeated yet but I’m sure someone could theoretically do it.

I don't want to turn some meme into a mockery for the lulz in my stories, I'm looking for a more serious take on the philosophy that I find important and subtly push that on the reader but in a cool sci-fi setting with deep lore. At least that's my vague idea now.

>>20897452
I see, thank you anon

>>20897459
F Gardner just does horror. Just do it for another genre that has potential. That could work for philosophy or sci-fi. Anything with untapped potential. Sci-fi is bigger than horror so that would work. I’m just talking about reverse engineering what he’s achieved.

I legitimately can't understand why people spam about gardner so much. Is publishing a pseudopopular meme book known for how shit and lolsorandom it is really the peak of what you people want to accomplish? Not all publicity is good publicity, I'd rather no one ever see my work than have people know me as that guy who wrote a couple of meme books that one time.

I've begun writing my true masterpiece. The narrative takes place across 5 months and since it also covers Christmas, I decided to incorporate an old idea I had about a little person living in hiding in a mall during Christmas time and using Home Alone -tactics against a gang of hoodlums who break in.
This character has expanded considerably as I incorporated her (it's now a female) into the larger story. She's got a master's thesis in literature but ended up working as an elf at a mall anyway.
It'll be great.

>>20897500
Okay then give me more sources to study. While I am appreciative of >>20897427 and the other posts about Gardener, I was looking for more concrete study guides. Possibly philosophy where I could emulate concepts coming from my characters. Do you have some other suggestions?

>>20897500
>people
Gardner is not people. He's not even a whole person.

>>20897517
>Philosophy where I could emulate concepts
TV Tropes and the four temperament/philosophy ensemble

>>20897542
Hmm, you mean like the TMNT 4 personalities clashing/cooperating together? Where can I learn more about this concept? What do you mean by TV tropes exactly?

>>20897517
Maybe not as a study source per se, but I highly recommend using the Emotion Thesaurus when you want to describe the specific emotions or mental states your characters are experiencing. Helps a ton and can give you some nice insights on how to better write good portrayals of complex emotions.

Here's the download link in case you want it.
https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-emotion-thesaurus-a-writers-guide-to-character-expression-e157013123.html

Apart from that, the best thing you can do is read books from the genre you want to write. Writing isn't an exact science, you can't just plug numbers into an equation and churn out a good book. It's an art, and the best way to learn is to look at what other people do and how they do it. Analyze specific sentence structure and prose, the type of language they use, how they shift from PoVs, how they convey and withold information, stuff like that. If you really want some sort of foundation from where to start, I'd recommend The Anatomy of Story by John Turby since it covers a lot of the basics and has a lot of good advice for really new writers. Hope that helped.

>>20897609
>Sorry, this file has been deleted due to copyright infringement!
Th-thanks

>tfw no writing partner able to call me out on my flaws and push me to higher echelons of quality
Setting aside that 99% of "writers" simply don't write and don't know a good book from a bad book, the problem is probably me.

>>20897856
I used to have a writing partner. Then he quit.

>>20897450
Don't listen to that spam, it's a Sneed like meme. You'll probably need to learn the basics of Grammer before you jump into your magnum opus. Good luck on being financial secure.

>>20897512
Good luck anon. Don’t forget to post snippets!

>>20897878
Almost everybody seems to quit but I've been at this years now. I just really like it.

Nobody here writes

>>20898086
Or reads. This general is pointless except for one thing.

>>20897198
it doesn't, i have nothing but pure excitement when developing ideas for the project, it's something i'm very passionate about, my brain just blanks when I sit down to work on it

>>20898116
I keep seeing this no matter how many times I mention what I read or ask other anons or review their publications. I read on average one novel every week.
>>20898146
Try approaching your writing into more actionable tasks and it gets easier. Whether its one paragraph at a time, a bottom up or top down approach, you will be more at ease if you answer manageable questions. You likely know everything you need to write it already.

>>20898185
thanks anon

>>20897609
another thing about reading a lot is that you won't unintentionally copy someone else's work.
imagine writing about a boy who's forced to sleep under the stair case. people would stop reading right there.

>>20897420
writingexcuses.com is a good place to start
you can learn to hate howard as much as i do

>>20897420
>ingrates
Can't wait!

>>20898503
To me Howard is so cringecore he is based.

>>20897249
>>20897256
I don't get what you're trying to do, except maybe to highlight how grating and annoying it is when people have totally absorbed 4chan language into their internal monologue. Otherwise it reads like a random experience you had. The idea of realising you live in a hostile, hate-filled city is interesting but you don't really do much with it except say 'yep, there's a lot of hate'.

>>20898711
nice try, howard

another self published fantasy series that's done really well
look how all three covers match
https://www.amazon.com/Voice-War-Threadlight-Book-1-ebook/dp/B084F96GFZ

fuck dialog
I don't want to write any dialog
it makes me so angry that I'm bad at dialog
"just study how people talk in real life"
no, I don't want naturalistic dialog, I want good dialog
people speak like retards in real life
what do I study to write good dialog that isn't some empath platitude that presupposes all art is derivable from human observation

>>20898848
take your favorite book and study how the author did dialogue
most of the fat is cut out for one thing

>>20898865
My favorite book is The Magic Mountain which doesn't really have good dialog. That's not true, it has great dialog, but not in the way that I would try to mimic.

>>20898848
Just make it part of the narrative, bro. Instead of
>"Suck my dick," I said
write
>I told her to suck my dick

>>20898951
I might just.

>>20898885
then pick your next favorite

>>20898848
I am reading To the Lighthouse by Virginia Woolf and it barely has any dialogue. One simple conversation that could have been a dozen lines of dialogue ends up as the first several chapters of the book because Woolf instead goes into stream of consciousness and shows the meaning of it all. Great stuff.

When i used to do ERP, i got constant praise and admiration for my creativity and prose. Ive been considering working on standalone material, if it can be properly monetized. Is amazon the only method, or is a patreon connected to something like AO3 a viable choice as well? Anything else out there for options?

>>20898848
You're like the opposite of me. Dialogue is the thing I'm best at and it often feels like everything is just a way of getting to the dialogue. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. You're right that people speak like retards in real life. You shouldn't write realistic dialogue but rather dialogue that feels realistic. There's a difference. You should read Carver. His stories are heavy on dialogue and it does what I'm talking about.

>>20899003
It seems that over the 20th century, the proportion of narration to dialog has shifted heavily towards dialog.
>>20899046
>You should read Carver.
I'll check him out

>>20899035
kysing is the only method

>>20893825
>>20893951
Anyone?

>>20899035
Both. Use all revenue streams.

>>20898725
I see I see
Thanks for the feedback

So...should I not write internal dialog with 4chan words?

Also I want to show that there is hate here, but I'd ideally like to transition on how I don't see any of it bc I boymode

>>20899479
Honestly I think it's all right, just dont namedrop 4chan. It's not by definition a rule of the internet, but in principle. By de facto, do not mention it because it comes off stilted and insincere.

>>20898086
F. Gardner has written 11 novels.

>>20899479
I think you should write what you know and that seems to be 4chan. That's your audience, write for them.

>>20898086
I've written one OC book
and one fanfic which has the length of one
and I am writing my second one

>>20898086
I write but don't publish because I hate what I'm writing by the time I near the end.

>>20899630
that was /x/ gardner you just edited them

My grandad wants me to write him a short story around 5-6 pages long, what should it be about lads?

>>20899613
See I kind of want to namedrop 4chan because I want to write a book about being a 4chan tranny. I feel like there's no book about being a 4chan tranny
>>20899634
Ebin ecks dee lel heckin epic wojak pepe greentext niggerino pol heheheh poops xD

>>20899754
A nation torn apart by subvertious international fianiance capitalists and their monkey minions

Or like a dogs day through the dogs eye and the dog is old and fat and farts a lot

>>20899758
4chan will know its about 4chan by word of mouth by virtue of the language you use. Even vaguely saying "the internet" is enough.

>>20899830
Maybe

>>20899754
A time traveler goes back and shows Hitler the lies of the Holohoax, thus prompting him to initiate the Holocaust.

>>20899754
gay butt sex

Is it possible to write a backdrop for a post-apocalypse story that isn't "And then they declared war and everybody got nuked"

>>20900255
Honestly, the average person probably wouldn't know fuck all about what caused the apocalypse. Most likely he'd be minding his own business and then one day mail stops showing up, and when he drives into town the grocery store has been cleared out, and the door of the county courthouse is propped open with a brick. I think that's more compelling since the nature of the actual apocalypse itself doesn't really matter.

>>20900289
Yeah that's a good idea. I just want to borrow the aesthetic of post-apocalypse but without being easily categorized as post-apocalyptic

>>20899754
A platoon gets caught in a fliod

New >>20900369

>>20899758
>I feel
shut up trannynigger