/lit/ - Literature

>>20882577
Nice art.

Fuck bakker
Fuck chinkshit
Fuck litrpg

Bakker is King.

Simple as.

FVCK BVKKR

FVCK CHINKSHIT

FVCK LITRPG

No matter how many times you remake this thread these facts won't change

Prince of Nothing Trilogy, by R. Scott Bakker. Pretty dense, heavy stuff: an intense blend of historic, philosophical, Tolkienian, and Herbert-esque qualities. I'd say it's probably the best contemporaneous fantasy trilogies out there: but if you really get into it most other fantasies will feel like shit, so proceed with caution.

>Imagine being so tilted that you have to delete two threads already.

>>20882593
Only series that matters, real men read this series.

I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?

>>20882583
Based as usual

>>20882603
anals of black company

Those who rule are not like those who drool
Those who don't understand Bakker are fools

>>20882603
>I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?
Wandering Inn, if you don't mind that the lore is pitch black only from time to time and the series oscilates between sunshine slive of life and horrific wars

>>20882593
finished this recently, it was ok

I enjoy Gods in my Fantasy books, or no-Gods

>>20882593
>>20882609
>>20882615
Lmao imagine being this buttblasted

>bed time
Or as I like to call it lately, 'Bakker time' as I have been enjoying getting comfy in bed with The Judging Eye the last few nights

>young princess using herself as rape-bait
A devilish scheme, Mister Vance. Why is this man so obssessed with rape jesus christ

Love him or hate him, Bakker is the Black Sabbath of literary fantasy. Just like Sabbath, not everything he put out is perfect, but the gems are true fucking gems. Like Sabbath, he did his damn thing, and his work will live forever as a classic of the genre. Simple as.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fgaBMFi1oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkx7SQ4Wuh0

>>20882641
First one to click the links is gag

>>20882577
Gonna read Lord Dunsany tonight again. It would be nice to see more discussion of him, especially since he will be out of copyright in half a decade and we can get cheap collected reprints.

>>20882656
Did I say gag? I meant to say F A G

>>20882577
Everything in the post art is great, but why does the boat look as if copy pasted from other pic in lower resolution? It really sticks out

Hi anons-
Typically my book reading is around politics/current affairs - but I really enjoyed reading the first 4 dune books (with the last one perhaps being the biggest slog). I'd like to read more sci-fi, and writers like gibson etc. seem interesting to me as characters and the themes they explore. Wondering what good recs you may have - I've been considering buying the first book in the foundation series.

Ah yes, my favorite sff author, Stephen Rape Donaldson

>>20882659
All his worthwhile stuff is already public domain, at least in the civilised parts of the world.

>>20882673
That's odd. It's like the artist made a digital composition to draw over but forgot a part.

>>20882673
It's called photobashing

Have you read Freeze-Frame Revolution yet?

>>20882724
I actually have and I thought it was the better entry in that... short story series of 4 was it? I don't remember anything though.

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Any recommendations for stories (mostly erotica) where the protagonist/major PoV has sex with non-humanoid beings? Something like 'Paths of the Chosen' (centaurs and harpies) or 'Blue core' (Dungeon who uses tentacles).
By non-humanoid I don't mean women with minor bonuses, like cat ears and tail on otherwise normal woman, that's too generic. I.e. succubus who's just a woman with red skin, horns and tail is not enough.
Harpies with talons and wings instead of arms might be enough, but I look for beings like satyrs, centaurs etc.

A fun sci-fi adventure!

A fun sword & sorcery adventure!

>>20882729
The other short stories are kinda disconnected but Watts slipped some incest into The Island I think

I just saw the newest Dune movie recently. I purposefully chose to watch it before reading the book instead of the other way around.

The thing is, I was planning to read the entire series eventually, but the movie was utter garbage, outside of the visual elements.

I will obviously not judge a book by its „film“, but how much better are the books actually like? I can‘t even imagine that a series that popular would be as shit as the movie.

The only character that was probably well portrayed was Paul‘s mother.

Are all the other malazan books worrh reading?

>>20882749
It's a pretty accurate adaptation. Dune is shit.

>>20882773
None of the Malazan books are worth reading.

>>20882749
no just play behind the dune

>>20882773
What do you mean when you say other?
You mean the ones outside the book of the Fallen 10?

Yes, I think so.

The Path to Ascendancy series is really great
So are the rest of esselmounts books except for night of knives maybe, that's skippable, but if you read path of ascendancy first you might wanna read it since it takes place all on malaz isle

The new erikson book is really good too.
Forge of darkness and it's sequel are ehhhhh. I'd leave them till last.
I haven't read the korbal and broach novels.

Rhythm of War is so fucking bad.
It is 99% Brando's self-indulgent, wanking to his own magic "science".
4 books later and 2 out of 3 main characters still haven't gotten over their mental illnesses. Instead of using them to add depth to the characters, mental illnesses became all there is to those characters.
Kaladin becoming John McClane is the only thing that came close to enjoyable in this book.

>>20882960
>get over your mental illness
not how it works

>>20882960
Is that one of the mystery books from his 90bn dollar kickstarter?

>>20882978
No that's Stormlight 4.

>>20882577
Should I keep writing? I've always wanted to write fantasy and weird fiction.

>>20882982
>>>/lit/wg/

>>20882982
It reads like parody.

>>20882982
You're trying too hard

>>20882983
No one is /wg/ writes.
>>20882997
Really? Here's more and maybe my tone comes off better, perchance. It's entitled:
>Love is the Whole by the Mythopoeic Poets, or Tryfan of Xulander
>>20883002
What else can I do for it to work, pray anon tell?

>>20882982
>Should I keep writing?
Of course, but you're gonna need to practice a lot more; your massively overusing "and" and avoid the archaic language, don't forget to trim the fat either rejiggling if necessary.

>>20882982
>>20883007
Is the story an exercise in some kind of biblical style? >>20882997 was right in saying it read like parody, especially in that paragraph about all the kingdoms fighting amongst themselves. Ancient authors wrote like that, but they have the advantage of people being actually interested in what they had to say because they actually existed.
If a reader is reading the Iliad, they are doing so because they live in a world created by it. Readers interested in the Silmarillion were only interested in it because the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings, more conventional stories, referenced it and relied on it.

What are some books where it feels like the story is set in an ancient and decaying world. I don't mean some depressing post apocalyptic thing but a world in decay filled with history.
Like the world was powered by magic and that magic has slowly become weaker along with the passing of time and you feel a sense of wonder and also melancholy while reading the books.
No sex, no child murder, no rape obviously.

>>20883081
Also I hate the theme of 'the world is magic but magic is running out or disappearing and the world is becoming more mundane' so none of that please

>>20883007
>Really? Here's more and maybe my tone comes off better
Your tone is fine. I think the strongest part is the beginning before the King of Sorrow. The tone is much stronger there, that's my favorite part.
I say it comes off like parody only because of the King of Sorrow section, how it repeats the "fought each other" seemingly interminably past when the point has been made. It becomes humorous. I think it could be truncated, that whole King of Sorrow section could be more concise, it drags somewhat and I find it hard to see where you're going.
In the second image you shared the tone does clash a little in the dialogue. "We will slay you if you do not leave is alone" sounds too conversational. The tone outside of the dialogue reminds me of that Mesopotamian inscription that sometimes gets posted as a meme, I think the monarch is Ashurbanipal, and he goes on in a sort of chant where he talks about treading on his enemies and slaying the children and enslaving the women and burning the crops and whatnot. Here I'll post it.
I would read that and use it for inspiration for the dialogue there. Get a sense of that archaic way of speaking and thinking for these Kings.

>>20883081
Dr. Seuss

>>20882982
>>20883007
Take this shit to the writing general, and fuck off.

>>20883083
Oh yeah and you definitely shouldn't stop writing.

>>20883088
I loved Dr Seuss as a kid
Didn't they have some really weird artwork in some of the books?

What are some novels that I can read to my new adopted cats? Currently trying to explain React.js, but they think it's gay.

Is Brandon Sanderson any good? I've never read anything from him. Or are his works as I suspect targeted for capeshit lovers, zoomers and those sorts? Wondering particularly for Skyward and Stormlight Archive.

>>20883101
Seems bland and forgettable with uninteresting cookie cutter characters and extensive but also incredibly sterile world building
Having said that though I haven't read a word of his writing

>>20883101
Your assumptions are correct. He essentially writes Marvel movies with a fantasy coat of paint. It has quips, every character speaks in bland modern American english regardless of their background.
Sanderson sucks.

>>20883101
This thread unironically discusses litrpgs you won't find a valid reply to this question

>>20883101
He‘s very inconsistent. Not worth anyone‘s time imo. You‘ll be delving into his early works and get sucked into reading his latter, worst books that are utter garbage.

>>20883109
Yeah, I got that feeling when Americans are staying up at night just to shitpost. It should be early in the morning for them, yet they’re ruining this threa d.

it bothers me how Tchaikovsky uses "probably" and "possibly" to lead sentences like 6 times on a single page

>>20883101
A favorite between the ages of 10 and 15, but no longer.

>>20883133
Kek

>>20883081
>What are some books where it feels like the story is set in an ancient and decaying world. I don't mean some depressing post apocalyptic thing but a world in decay filled with history.
>Like the world was powered by magic and that magic has slowly become weaker along with the passing of time and you feel a sense of wonder and also melancholy while reading the books.
>No sex, no child murder, no rape obviously.
I'd say The Wandering Inn, the very age the story takes place in is called 'Waning world,' time when the mythical beings are almost all dead and have turned into legends and myths, great works of magic are lost or forgotten, wonders of ages past lie dead and destroyed, no one remembers the great events of the past times, and above all Gods are dead...
'Nothing lasts' is a big theme of the story, the entire world is ancient beyond comprehension, with some ancient characters dating at least 40 thousand years into the past.

I'm only unsure what do you mean by 'No sex, no child murder, no rape obviously.' There story is 99.9% free of sex, but there are some tragic events in which people die, and rape is mentioned occasionaly. Not in a graphic way, though.

>>20882971
Yeah, it is

>>20883096
You don't "adopt" animals, schizo

>>20882615
Bakker's gnostic hatred of divinity is not really enjoying gods.

>>20883211
I went to the shelter & adopted 2 though?

China Mieville managed to put me off fantasy and sci-fi at the same time

>>20883224
Didn't ask

>>20883234
they're so cute tho?

>>20882593
The greatest memes are always deeply seeded in Truth.

>>20882624
based, i'm on my judging eye re-read too

>>20883081
The Elric of Melibone books by Michael Moorcock are kind of like that. Elric is the king of a once-dominant empire that is now in decline, being replaced with non-magic humans.

>>20883122
uhh yeah he's not a good writer dude. he's sub-robert jordan level, somewhere around the sandersons and rothfusses of this world. don't waste your time.

>>20882593
How much rape is in it?

>>20882601
>real men read gay erotica
Bakacels, everyone

>>20883081
A little known cult classic called "Lord of the Rings". It's getting a prequel television series soon!

>>20882593
>>20882601
I'm trans (mtf) and I loved this series. It's so dark, I haven't read anything like it since.

>>20881210
I don't know about "trapped in VR", but "trapped in the game" had earlier examples. Guardians of the Flame from the 1980s and the first I know of, Quag Keep from the 1970s which I tried but was no good.

>>20882593
PON is fine but the sequel series is absolute tripe.

>>20883685
Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Maze_of_Death too

Would I be fine to completely read this if I'm not that deep into Asimov lore? From what I understand it takes place at the tail end of his Robot Saga, but I've only read the Foundation Trilogy(planning on reading the sequels), and I, Robot. Is there any book of his that makes it clear how Robots and Foundation are eventually linked or does he leave it completely ambigious and up to fan interruption on where and when.

>>20883892

Forgot picture of book

>>20883685
>Guardians of the Flame is a long-running portal fantasy series
>portal fantasy
I refuse to believe anyone has ever referred to isekai with this term in daily conversation. It's even more meaningless.

>>20883907
>I refuse to believe anyone has ever referred to isekai with this term in daily conversation. It's even more meaningless.
I think it was used before japanish influence and terms like 'isekai' or 'tsundere' etc. were being thrown around. Anime and japan are bane of human civilization

>>20883081
literally lord of the rings now fuck off

>>20883918
Isekai at least means other world. What the fuck does portal mean? What portal did Connecticut Yankee go through?

Thoughts on Yoko Tawada's works? I like them. Probably the only current and living female sci-fi author I actually like

>>20883925
Portal Fantasy means a fantasy in which an individual is transported into an another world. As 'Isekai' means more or less 'different world' with implicit meaning of an individua being transported, then 'portal fantasy' is a superior term as it does explicitly tell us what it's all about.
And it doesn't reek of weebism.

>>20883925
"Portal fantasy" is just a term used to describe somebody 'portal-ing' into a fantasy world. It's not literally via portal, it's just the term that was used.

>>20883963
Ah yes, the superior term which actively misinforms you about the events of the plot

>>20883964
Big fan of describing death as portal-ing my way into the afterlife

>>20883984
>>20883974
>>20883964
>>20883963
Dante's Inferno is technically Isekai

Going to a bookclub meeting tomorrow in my city with the three body problem as the main topic of discussion. I haven't read the book (I've been focused on re-reading the culture series)

What are your non spoilery thoughts on the book that I may or may not steal?

>>20884047
The author doesn't actually know how video games work. It's the weakest part of his book imo. It makes me question the validity of everything he wrote. Because if he couldn't portray video games properly, then how can I trust that he's portraying the other concepts properly.

>>20884040
A lot of classic literature is technically isekai, that doesn't excuse how shit the genre is

>>20884069
Well I claim it does

>>20884047
why would you want to discuss a book you haven't read?

>>20884171
Ì would like to go to the bookclub meeting

>>20882037
i wrote about this a while back as well. can't find it in the archive tho.
i wonder, did you see the drake raids coming? also poor nanette.

Mods, the Bakkerspammer is doing it again!

READ CRADLE!

I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?

>>20884225
Did /sffg/ enjoy dreadgod?

>>20884243

Pick your poison /sffg/:

Historical fantasy in which the author tries so hard to depict the past society that characters are so unlike us we cannot get invested

OR

Sci-fi written from the 40s or 50s where the author wrongly predicts every possible development of technology that has occurred, while at the same time making sure reader knows he has perfect faith in every prediction.

>>20884243

>>20884047
I liked it, and i liked second and third book even more. They have their flaws (like lack of characters depth), but i don't care about it.

>>20884291
Why would the characters need to be like me for me to get invested?

>>20884280
I did but then I have shit tastes.

>>20884291
The former because I'm not a narcissist that can't empathize with people unlike myself.

>>20884202
Yeah, I recall your post
I really wasn't expecting the drakes at all, I had completely forgotten the chapter earlier in the volume at Manus with the decision to counterattack. Not sure how I feel about it yet though, I guess it'll make for some interesting developments on the human side, maybe some alliances being forced out of it?
Also, we finally got a proper Terandria introduction. Knight orders, queens and princes, half-elves and dwarves, Pisces and Lyonette backstories implications? Yeah, I'm thinking it's gonna be pure kino
Genuinely shed a couple tears at that scene T.T
And then finding out in the next chapter that Belavierr did it by basically threatening to kill Nanette? All for her love for Wiskeria and her craft, what a character

>>20884216
You have to report it, just making a post about it won’t work.

Has anyone read pic related?

>>20884280
I've heard mixed opinions on it. Personally I thought it was 'good' but not too much by the series' standards. Pacing was a little fucked and a lot of stuff that should've been shown off was just off-screened or skipped over. Did get to see some pairings we don't usually get to see (Ziel and Orthos were a fun duo), though it didn't feel like we saw MUCH of that.

>>20884574
>that cover

Guys, wtf. I thought harems (like, actual harems, not the Japanese style when the MC has a horde of girls but never fucks any of them), was just something bad fanfiction did. I went down the rabbit hole of books while window shopping, and there's actually a ton of it. I never knew there were just so many rubbish books out there.

>>20884629
Oh yeah it's an erotica subgenre. And like most erotica books there's... A fuck-ton of authors who pump out like three books a month.

>>20884629
>>20884649
So, uh, are there any actually good books with proper harems? Asking for myself.

Any fantasy books that appeal to people with military history autism?

The Bakker posters are kind of sad. Because even if you could argue that Bakker posting was funny when it began, it's now been long enough that it's become worn out and unfunny.

And of course they can't get everyone else to laugh, so they have to salvage their poor jokes by deluding themselves that they're happy with the outrage they generate.

And then when you acknowledge how not even their trolling is funny, they can only cope by hiding being layers of irony. Unfortunately, once you get to the ironic meme phase, there's no real escaping. Because they can always hide behind another layer. Layer after layer, for infinity. Whatever serves to justify their weird autistic quirk that causes them to post Bakker stuff day in and day out.

>>20884677
Read Miles/Christian Cameron

>>20884280
It was above average for the series, but I have no idea how it's going to finish up in one more book even with the power creep.

>>20884319
The second book was the best one, though they oddly changed a whole plot point to not spoil another of the author's books. Honestly it might've been for the best, though.

The third one is certainly good too, but I kind of hated the MC

>>20884629
>>20884649
>>20884663
There are some good ones, or at least ones that could be called 'decent.'

For start, I'd recommend reading 'Fostering Faust', a story of a cold and ruthless CEO who's soul had been snatched by an Evil Goddes after his death and thrown into a body of a noble on a medieval world. He's bound to make binding deals with people on Goddess' name to fill his monthly quota, otherwise he's soul will be sent to hell. A bit edgy, but quite a good read, though the first book is the best.

From books set in modern times, definitely try Good Intentions, it's a story of a young man who stumbles upon a strangle ritual in the middle of the night, performed in a graveyard's chapel. He saves two strange women from the cultists, but by accident takes part in the ritual, binding the women to him. After, it turns out one is an angel and the other a succubus. While the premise might sound basic, it's the best erotica/harem book I've read in my life, the characterization of the women is downright incredible and the succubus might the best succubus-type creature I've seen in fiction. The book has its weaker points, especially some side characters, but otherwise it's amazing. And the sex scenes are hot as fuck.


Other than that you can also try:
- Saving Supervillains
- Inferna (Prism Academy)
- Blue Core
- Fimbulwinter
- Incubus Inc.
- Wild Wastes

>>20884743
>The TWI posters are kind of sad. Because even if you could argue that TWI posting was funny when it began, it's now been long enough that it's become worn out and unfunny.
>And of course they can't get everyone else to laugh, so they have to salvage their poor jokes by deluding themselves that they're happy with the outrage they generate.
>And then when you acknowledge how not even their trolling is funny, they can only cope by hiding being layers of irony. Unfortunately, once you get to the ironic meme phase, there's no real escaping. Because they can always hide behind another layer. Layer after layer, for infinity. Whatever serves to justify their weird autistic quirk that causes them to post TWI stuff day in and day out

>>20884743
Why are you making off-topic posts? Just report them, Christ. It’s not that hard.

>>20884777
Alright, you know what my curiosity is peaked. Thanks for the suggestions.

>>20884790
Sir, TWI was barely discussed these last few weeks, basically only by the people who are in the middle of reading it are discussing it.

Not to mention everyone is waiting for the Review Anon to come out with his The Wandering Inn review. He was supposed to post his impressions, but he forgot. Or maybe I missed it.

>>20884814
Are you just retarded? Why are you replying to the shitter?

>>20884814
I don’t think he gives two shits, and you would know that if you didn’t have a room temperature IQ.

>>20884814
>everyone
Two fags who read TWI =/= every one.

>>20884814
Haven't seen a /sffg/ thread where twi wasn't discussed.

>>20884047
The book is about an impending alien invasion and their human collaborators.

The aliens are an obvious metaphor for the Chinese people. They have a turbulent and tragic history that led to them becoming a stoic and psychopathic species with the only goal of escaping the cycle of destruction and misery that has defined them for all their known history. For the Chinese - it's their frequent and unpredictable invasions, revolutions, and dynastic changes. For the aliens - its the fact that their home planet has three stars, making it impossible to mathematically predict when their civilizations will be upended due to stellar cycles.

In the book, there is one single alien defector warning the humans not to give away the location of Earth because he's well aware of how warlike and jaded his own species has become. His plea is, in short: "Look, I know you think humans are bad and that you need an alien savior, but the universe fucking sucks, and there are species infinitely more horrible than yours, including my own. So stay quiet." The entire book trilogy itself is a metaphor for game theory and humanity (and other races) will annihilate itself if it keeps playing by psychopathic zero sum logic.

Niggers tongue my anus.

>>20884936
They've toned it down recently to be fair

>>20884743
Does it trouble you that Bakker rules supreme?

>>20884777
Thanks.

>>20884945
So it's game theory mixed with a bot of third worldism?

>>20884945
great description. I enjoyed 60% of the book but damn did it drag in some areas.

>>20884814
Except that literally no one read the WI.

Blessed family.

How can one man be this based?

I've only read Richard's works. How good is Brian?

>>20885026
>third worldism

Not really, which was surprising. The author shits on the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution a lot.

any good books

>>20885072
yeah

>>20883685
That's interesting. This might be a fun subgenre to dig into and see what I can learn. There are certain tropes that are ubiquitous now, and it would be fun to find out who did it first. Like, you've got trapped in a D&D-esque game, trapped in a computer, and scenario looping as these individual pieces that all probably got developed separately, and then someone was the first to put them all together. VVV's second VR book, Heir Apparent, is the earliest I've seen for that, but she didn't publish it until 2002.
I feel like I've done as much digging on Tower Climbing and Flintlock Fantasy as I care to, so I'll make this my next project

>>20884243
Perdido Street Station

>>20885330
Share your tower climbing data.

>>20884777
I'd like to add The Amazon's Vengeance series by Sarah Hawke. First book is a bit weak, but I really like her writing style as she improves. It's unabashed smut and it doesn't pretend to be much else, and yet it keeps you interested in the plot

>>20885378
Female-written harem erotica sounds... Awkward.

>>20885391
Only if you're a /r9k/ fag.

>>20885391
Yeah I know, but she has a decent pen, and a pretty filthy imagination

>>20885358
There's not a lot of strong contenders, honestly. For published Western fiction, you've got Senlin Ascends. Japan has done a few, most notably Sword Art Online, but I don't think it's all that great despite arguably being the progenitor of the genre as it stands. Tower of Druaga also deserves mention for historical purposes, but isn't that amazing. Korea has a fair number of entries, especially among web novels, but they are almost all terrible. SSS-Class Suicide Hunter is the only one I consider to be genuinely good.
There are some other partial mentions. The first book of The Menocht Loop is nominally about climbing levels. The World After the Fall begins as a tower climber, before breaking out into metanarrative stuff. The Novel's Extra and The Beginning After the End both contain entertaining but contained arcs of Tower Climbing.

>>20885425
I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's something written pretty clearly for a male audience. I'm sure it's probably got a better focus on making the girls actual characters instead of just sex-toys than some harem books because of that, though.

>>20885430
>SAO
>tower climbing
>progenitor of the genre

>nothing but <15 years of webnovel material
Silly me, expecting an answer.

>>20885430
Tower Climbing referring to series focused largely or entirely on ascending an impossibly huge tower (or similar layered obstacle) to achieve some sort of goal, yeah?

>>20885449
That's just sort of what the genre is, unless you meant something else by it that I misunderstood.
>>20885450
Right. Generally the floors are pretty abstract in concept, which is why I listed Menocht Loop despite it being more of a VR game with video game levels in practice

Oh shit, I forgot about Garth Nix, sorry. He did two kids series in the Tower vein, The Seventh Tower and The Keys to the Kingdom

>>20885473
Ah. I've not really read any of them except some Korean webtoons (Tower of God mostly but I sort of dropped that), but they always seem to be the most overtly 'artificial'-feeling setting. Now, that's often the point, and people tend to make due with the artificial constraints, but it's really easy to just not address it and leaving the whole 'tower' not really feeling like a tower at all.

>>20885484
I would say it not feeling like a tower is, sadly, the more common outcome. Senlin Ascends is probably the only one I can think of where that's really vital to the setting itself.

>>20885484
>but they always seem to be the most overtly 'artificial'-feeling setting
Wow, anon, it sounds like fantasy.

>>20885473
When I refer to "Tower Climbing", I think of titles such as Diamond Dogs by Alastair Reynolds, Tower of Babylon by Ted Chiang(?), and Tower of God.
Honestly, how the fuck do you list all this webnovel/manhwa shit in the context of tower climbing and you don't list the most popular korean tower climbing title? Please never give recommendations again.

>>20885505
I wasn't listing any manhwa, that's why I left Tower of God off the list. Tower of Babylon didn't quite meet the plot criteria I generally consider necessary. I outright had not heard of Diamond Dogs, somehow, and will give it a read, thanks.

>>20885504
There's nothing wrong with it feeling artificial, but the point I'm making is that very few DO anything with that, they don't make the world SEEM artificial, it just feels like a segmented world at most instead of a proper 'constructed' tower.

>>20885518
Ah, but I did make a mistake here by listing Druaga, actually, since it isn't a novel. Felt wrong to list SAO without its biggest influence, but regardless that throws the whole thing off

>unzip my pants

>>20863217
Finished the second book already. It was alright. The book didn't explore the magic any more than the first book. With no new information, and the author not even bothering to reiterate old information, it feels like magic was even less important to the plot this time. I have to say, it's not feeling so fantastical this time around. But the plot was still intriguing, so I enjoyed it.

I really hoped the cuckold stuff would be over with. But I've already begun the third book. And in the first chapter, there's a vague statement that suggests Otah got cucked again by his own guard captain. I'm very confused, because the way it was described was that Otah and the captain got in a fight? Maybe??? And Otah either spared the man, or the captain spared Otah. But like, the decision to spare was his wife's doing? Again, it was really too vague to attempt to solve it now. It will probably come up again later in the book. But I'm starting to get uncomfortable with all this cuck shit.

>>20885378
>I'd like to add The Amazon's Vengeance series by Sarah Hawke. First book is a bit weak, but I really like her writing style as she improves. It's unabashed smut and it doesn't pretend to be much else, and yet it keeps you interested in the plot
Oh Anon, those look extremely intriguing. Please recommend me more fantasy smut by female writers, I intended to delve into that for some time now. Myself I can recommend Herald of Shalia, another unabashed smut written by a woman, it's hilarious.

>>20885690
Isn't that co-written by a couple?

What do we think about Warhammer 40,000 books? Or do we leave that scene to the autists at /tg/

>>20885707
If harem erotica is /sffg/ then so is 40k.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/845890/Moonbreaker/
OH NO NO NO BAKKERSISTERS HOW DO WE RECOVER?

>>20884777
>>20885378
>>20885690
Surprisingly based thread

>>20885762
Oh that's what he was working on.

>>20882577
Can anyone recommend me some great Wuxia or Xianxia books? preferably things I can get physically in English I've always wanted to get into these genre's

>>20885897
There's a lot of xianxia but the problem with the genre is that it's got a lot of 'template storytelling', so there's very little variation except in some standout examples. Lord of the Mysteries is very often-recommended, though that's only a webnovel far as I know. There's some western-made ones too, like Thousand Li, that I've heard decent things about.

Should i even bother reading these or is it really just Daoist Harry Potter with Dragon Ball Z/Pokemon battling with LEVEL UP bullshit?

This REEKS of YA...

>>20886014
They're fun books with fun characters that don't try to be more than they are. Not overly-serious, though the comedy isn't quip-based except for the characters whose 'thing' is that (mostly one guy), it's more just character traits being character traits. They're good reads.

>>20885907
>There's some western-made ones too, like Thousand Li, that I've heard decent things about
The author effectively destroyed his reputation within the progression fantasy genre by copyrighting the term "System Apocalypse" when he wasn't the first nor even within the ten most popular titles within the subgenre. Ching chong Tao Wong ethered himself out of existence. I haven't heard good things about Thousand Li 7, unfortunately, and now it may not even be completed.

>>20886033
I still find it odd that progression fantasy is a 'thing'. I understand the commonalities there and whatnot but it feels odd to consider it a sub-genre. Also there's only like a handful that're good.

>>20883096

how are you gonna get rid of your toxoplasmosis?

are you RH-?

Brandon slaying latinx pussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd1hCrvqExc

>>20883096
Dungeon Crawler Carl, of course. I'm rereading the ending of book 5.

I'm trying to decide if Holly Black's writing style is juvenile, or if I just can't separate it from being a thing I read as a teenager. I was considering picking up her latest book, but just reading the first few pages it felt so much like it's targeted to someone younger than me, despite not being labelled as Young Adult. And it's not like I don't read books aimed at younger audiences, so I don't fully comprehend why it would put me off so much in this instance. Maybe it's less that its juvenile in general, and more that it feels kinda chuuni.

I want to castrate all Bakkerposters

are steven eriksons malazon books good?
>>20882737
the cover on amazon looks like the 3d blender models developers use for the ren'py porn games I used to play

>>20883081
jack vances Dying Earth series has both the world filled with history and the depressing post apocalypse bits. probably more of the latter though
>>20884629
fucking its like 20% of kindle unlimited fantasy offerings. that and whatever the female equivalent is

scholar of yore

>the sword is here
>Odium is here
Taravangiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

>>20886500
Taravangian turning out to be so based was a surprise to me. I didn't see that ending coming desu.

>>20886571
He is also the first person in like 1000 years that managed to wipe the smug off Hoid's face.
He actually tricked Hoid.

Taravangian the plot device.

>>20882684
Good book, but incredible depressing. I don't mind the rape and torture but the talk about how her life and career were permanently fuck was a big downer.

>>20883081
The Book of the New Sun fits perfectly up until the “no sex” part or “no rape”, depending on how much of a cucked leftoid you are. The sex parts aren’t very racy though so might still be worth checking it out.

What does /sffg/ think about The Book of Dust series by Philip Pullman? I enjoyed His Dark Materials a lot when I was in high school and recently found out he’s started a new series in the same universe. Are they worth reading?

>>20884770
>>20884319
The third book was ruined by the dumb main character. The author was good a writing realistic women at least I guess.

>>20884064
There's a term for this but I can't remember what it is. When someone you think is knowledgeable speaks on many things but then speaks on something you know we'll, very incorrectly, it makes you doubt a lot of what else they have said.

>>20886765
Gellman Amnesia

>>20886667
Yeah everybody is basically pathetic and has a depressing backstory.

>>20885907
I dropped Thousand Li somewhere in middle of first book because it became incredibly boring. I don't understand why people praise it so much then shit on webnovels, thousand li plot is even more stereotypical than a random chinese webnobel on the internet, it is boring and the writing and translation are also horrible, it may have been professionally edited but writing is just dull. I have seen better done webnovel fan translations than thousand li.

>Read Chinkshit
>Main character is transmigrated 3 years before the American Civil War as a plantation owner
>Under the Racism category

I kneel.

>>20887070
>>Under the Racism category
The fact that chinkshit websites have categories such as 'Rape' is even more hilarious. They really don't give a fuck

>>20885707
I love 40k books. Ignore the predditors on /tg/. It'd be hard to find more insufferable NPCs in the entire site.

BOTH

>>20887306
left one reminds me of the ruler supreme.

>>20887306
I miss him, his face used to be in every thread

Bakker ruined fantasy for me, after I read his sublime creation known as Prince of Nothing, and after completing his supreme opus known as The Aspect-Emperor, I stopped enjoying fantasy as a whole, everything I read now is turned into a hot steaming piece of trash, every book is now garbage.

>>20887520
Wish we could turn back time
To the pre-Bakker days
When our mama sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out (oh)
Wish we could turn back time (oh)
To the pre-Bakker days (oh)
When our mama sang us to sleep
But now we're stressed out

>>20885707
I've read the first Ciaphas Cain omnibus, Brothers of the Snake, and First and Only (really need to continue Gaunt's Ghosts) and loved all of them. I've also read Shrike, which I got on a whim even though I play Ultramarines, and I found it entertaining enough. I also read a Tau focused omnibus and quite enjoyed it.

>>>/tv/173090520

>>20885707
Very hit and miss, depending on which author you're reading but generally speaking I like them. Abnett's Ghost and Eisenhorn series are solid are worth reading even if you don't really care about 40k.

It seems /SFFG/ and /r/fantasy are one at the same, now. Or maybe the dam has broken and Sanderson hate can begin earnest. Picrel is a popular opinion from the recent Rhythms of War hatethread, people are almost universally shiting on Brandon. The guy who said Brandon is beneath writers such as Bakker made me kek

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/wvtxfu/finally_finished_rhythm_of_war_meh/

>>20887578
Misery of Sanderson forever true
He will always be treated like a foe
Misery of Sanderson forever real
He will forever cry, moan and squeal

>>20887578
I find it cute that r*dd*tors think that Jordan is somehow better than Sanderson.

>>20887578
At least post the link to this.

>>20887703
>Misery of Sanderson forever true
>He will always be treated like a foe
You're losing your touch Bakkerfag, 'true' does not rhyme with 'foe'

>>20882970

>>20887750
>He doesn‘t know about poetry styles
NGMI

Guys, I'm new to /sffg/. what the hell is going on? I thought Sanderson was well liked. Who is Bakker? Why does he wear the mask?

>>20887783
Bakker is the greatest living fantasy author and the only reason why I visit this place.

My sincerest hope is that, if we meme him long enough, some random studio will make a deal with him for a show series depicting his universe. Not that I care about the TV show, desu. It‘s going to be shit anyway, like every other adaptation we‘ve seen so far. I only want him to get rich so that he can go back to writing and finish the last part of the book series.

just finished Malice by John Gwynne. it's pretty good once things finally start happening and the pace picks up.
hoping it continues the fast pace in book 2

>>20887569
>Abnett's Ghost and Eisenhorn series
These are honestly some of the weakest books in the whole 40k universe. I can't fathom why people keep fellating Abnett, when he's mediocre at best and reddit-tier trash at worst. He's a guy who writes stuff like soldiers derailing a maglev train by placing jackets on the tracks in Gaunt's Ghosts. Or how a black man is oozing sex in Ravenor. His Horus Heresy books are alright, though.

The actually good 40k authors are Christ Wraight, Aaron Dembski Bowden and Guy Haley. But even they've been starting to get insufferable in the last few years with 40k having started to push The Message.

>>20887783
Bakker is shitposting, he was the most autistic, unreadable author available at the time, that could be then touted as "2deep4u"

This any good? I heard it has some rape of nanking shit in it.

>>20887783
Bakker is the author that you will eventually love or be filtered by. You will read him regardless, If you stick around this place long enough that is.

*laughs in 9 years of sffg without touching that filth*

>>20887888
You shouldn't be proud of being here for longer than a minute.

>>20887888
>filtered for a decade and counting
many such cases

>>20887904
>9 years = decade+
Get a bigger shovel so you can dig your hole deeper.

>>20887907
Sorry, no need to move the goalposts. I already accepted your eternal defeat.

>>20887919
>9 years = decade+

>>20886710
>it’s not rape when you french kiss, undress, then have sex with an unconscious woman then leave and brag about it to your friends
>because it’s just not! Ok?!?!?
Can we try not to become /pol/-lite please?

>>20887923
>Eternally filtered.
You sound resentful.

>>20887750
I wanted rhyme it with jew but I though it was insensitive.

I don't really read fiction much but I'm interested in any works of fantasy and sci-fi (particularly fantasy) that are closely related to the Occult and esotericism. I heard pic related is a good candidate, is that true? Are there any others you'd recommend?

>>20887929
When you think about it, Jolenta raped Severian.

Eating beef jerky while listening to a Bakker prologue audio book, life is good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2xPolcBca8

>>20887979
VALIS is quite gnostic. As is Iron Dragon's Daughter.
PKD himself is a great author and one of the best you'll find.

>>20887990
>Iron Dragon's Daughter
Thanks, I've heard this has a cute young female protag though which is not really my thing to be honest. Are there any that don't have a gnostic theme? I was thinking more along the lines of hermeticism and alchemy.

>>20887842
Its the chink author seething about both her periods and being owned by Japan.

Read Reverend insanity AND Bakker.

>>20888005
>cute young female protag
and tantric sex magick!
Not off the top of my head.

>>20887929
>Can we try not to become /pol/-lite please?
No?

>Hey there everybody! The third book of my Fates Parallel series is now available on Kindle Unlimited! It's a character-driven cultivation story about two young girls in over their heads as they dive into the world of magic and martial arts. There may be some hand-holding involved [...]
owo

>>20887833
>derailing a maglev train by placing jackets on the tracks
From what I remember, they place armoured metal jackets on the track to temporarily stop the train so they can get on. They don't derail it. I don't know anything about magnets or maglev theory to say what's wrong with that. I thought the Ghost books were a perfect entry for someone interesting in IG and 40k in general and I didn't see anything wrong with the writing.

>>20882577
He woke up one day by the passage of a train. His father had been a gambling fan. His mother a psychologist by profession. Together they had created an underground world to protect their family from the electric dragons that came out at dawn to punish humanity.
There was no place for normal professions. He had dedicated himself to the recycling of electricity cables. Leftovers from the feasts of said creatures. A job more competitive than lucrative. However, he did not know how to do anything else. He was a businessman by nature.
When he left the cave inherited by his parents when they died, he saw his sister watering the flowers that she had planted six years ago, if they did not die, they never really germinated. It was therefore a therapeutic act. The flowers were neither alive nor dead but in a limbic state, waiting for their true owner.
With no more property than his work tools, he greeted his relative without receiving a response. He did not expect it but he fulfilled his duty to maintain appearances, even if it was only for himself.
The apocalypse had not come as planned. No one expected angels to be 20 meters tall and have scales. Little was known about the military heads that had rolled after the first holy world war.
He was not a believer. He was not interested in feathers or scales. He was interested in surviving and the only way to do it without risking his skin every day was to steal a dragon egg, or rather an angel egg. The mangers were not only difficult to find but also dangerous to wander around. Mating rituals involved thunderstorms that could last several days or even weeks depending on the seriousness of the courtship.
A dragon egg had enough energy to run a small power plant and enough to power a small city. An engineer in tokyo had found a way to make it work, with no respect for nature or god. After all. Wouldn't it have been more sensible not to tempt the creator of said radioactive creatures?

>>20887842
>This any good? I heard it has some rape of nanking shit in it.
Basically typicall strong female MC story with war in the background, it copies many japan vs china(korea?) events 1:1, but turns out almost parodic. DNF the second book. All in all, painfuly unimpressive.

>>20887833
I suppose it depends what you read the 40k novels for. Abnett has very sophisticated allusions in his novels, like Maze Undue / Maison Dieu (reference to the French Marseilles historical tarot, the Lightning tower card). I remember his alpha legion novel refers to uxors (in Plautine Greek comedy / drama matron women). The Gaunts Ghosts novels had middle English / anglo saxon in them (the marsh man they recovered, who fights with the crossbow). And in other novels, I remember Abnett using historical titles like Serdar (I think this was a Ottoman Empire military title adapted from Persian, in Dune maybe the etymology of Sardaukar might be similar to this) I mentioned before Abnett evoked names from ancient legends like Arianrhod in Eisenhorn (she comes from the Mabinogion, Welsh legend). When Dan Abnett writes a 40k novel it is filled with these evocative fragments and myths from our real world. His vocabulary and nomenclature that he deploys throughout is incredible - I actually learnt huge amounts of words and fantasy ideas and concepts from his novels, they often parallel history (eg the scene in Eisenhorn when he describes the mansard roofs of the planet cities etc) I think Abnett was involved in creating a lot of the original 40k lore outright, like the descriptions of lasgun hotshot charges, vox, promethium etc, a lot of the inquisition faction lore Monodominant, Amalathian, Xanthite, Recongregation etc. Given that Eisenhorn was written alongside the now forgotten Inquisitor miniatures rpg game. I commend Abnett, but also remember he named the God Emperor after Keanu Reeves in the matrix. That was a disappointing lore revelation.

>>20887833
Wasn't that scene explained because of the Vitrian soldiers wearing some sort of nonconductive glass armour? That is a recurring theme in Gaunt novels, the Vitrian soldiers with their silly mirror glass armour. I was not too enamoured of it though it wasn't as ridiculous as it sounds. I do not remember that scene being too out of place. The bit in Gaunt's Ghosts which usually does provoke some indignation, challenging suspension of disbelief is how he has to manage the high body count / death massacre toll by constantly inserting random Tanith soldiers into the regiment only for them to die a bit later. I think there was one novel which was clearly an allegory of trench warfare ww1 Somme etc. Yet none of the main characters really die or something, they are all protected by narrative need, yet Abnett is trying simultaneously to depict a nonstop killing field of trench warfare... that one confused me. Arguably also the novel where Gaunt returns after being embedded in the heresy planet for years and years... in reality they would all have been executed by the Inquisition upon return, in real life it happened to a lot of Polish resistance if I recall. Gaunt's Ghosts is actually surprisingly less grimdark despite the apparent slaughter death war of its subject matter (there are even couples and children!) Whereas in Eisenhorn (core trilogy not sequels), his retinue is killed or turned against him etc.

>>20888371
>>20888413
Some other random 40k lore I learnt:
- Callidus comes from latin Servus Callidus, or clever/trickster slave archetype in Plautine comedy the romans based on greek drama
- Eversor is latin for subverter, destroyer
- Culexus I am not as sure about, but maybe adapted from culex, a flea or gnat?

>>20888371
>>20888413
Gaunt's Ghosts is inspired by the Sharpe's War television series of Napoleonic drama if I recall, I think Abnett mentioned somewhere Commissar Gaunt is modeled after Sharpe (the actor is Ned Stark lol)

I sorted out some of my bookshelf today. Took all the fantasy books I was no longer interested in reading or rereading and shoved them in a box. If I don't read those in several years, they are going to a used book store. It really annoys me how many books I've stacked up over the years intending to read. The older I got the more unread books I piled up slowly. Hard to be honest with yourself and admit you aren't going to read them. It's like you're admitting that you're an idiot.

>>20888535
I do that a few times per year

>>20888535
I bought Tad Williams' Otherworld like 12 years ago and never read the first page. I have a few titles like that. I read Black Sun Rising but I didn't touch the second and third titles in the trilogy even though I bought them at the same time. That was around when I got my first e-reader so the physicality stopped.

>>20887578
Redditors really are a sad bunch. The fact that it took them this long to point out the obvious is depressing.

>>20887833
>The actually good 40k authors are Christ Wraight, Aaron Dembski Bowden and Guy Haley
None of those guys have put out as many "good" books as Abnett has. Brothers of the Snake alone trumps anything they've put out by being a fully fleshed space marine chapter story, and not just twisting/riffing on a prexisting group with plenty of info already made.

I just realised the abnett you guys are talking about is the guy who wrote the best marvel cosmic stuff that was ever done

I'm interested to give his 40k books a try now

>>20887070
>My slaves are going to revolt in 3 years?! Read along as I use my knowledge of SCIENCE from the 21st century to lead the Confederacy to victory! Those yankee jackasses will have to steal my ancestors' estate and tombs over my own dead body!

>>20888941
If you had to read just one, I recommend Eisenhorn: Xenos, Malleus, Hereticus. Stop after that, it is fine. The Ravenor and Bequin series do extend it but for me Eisenhorn is a masterpiece. If you want to read something shorter to get a feel of Abnett's writing, I recommend his short story Blood Games (about Adeptus Custodes). This story has amazing depth, it references a lot of literature and myths. I reckon a lot of anons just read Abnett and think, oh it is a grimdark 40k story. But if you search a few of the names or even have just read any other literature you will know that his locations, philosophies and phenomena he describes have been done so with deliberation. A lot of fantasy is ahistorical. It is like WoW with names like Grimaxe Wolfheart, that is fine but there is only so much you can imaginatively attempt within those fictional constraints. If you want to write true imaginative fantasy you need to draw on the rich depth of myth and literature extant in our real history to invoke awe-inspiring world depth

>>20889041
Is this really what it is? I might break my "no Chinese authors" rule if so

>>20887070
sauce i beg of you

>>20887734
A dog rolling in the mud is better than sandersoi

>>20884777
>For start, I'd recommend reading 'Fostering Faust',
I just finished this one. It was alright. The sex scenes seemed a bit awkward with the author trying to somehow balance between tasteful and pornographic. You could turn this book into an /aco/-tier video game pretty easily, I'm sure.

>>20888941
If you want to read Abnett specifically, I'd suggest Horus Rising. I like very few books by Abnet personally, but I do love that one. It's technically 30k, though. Otherwise I'd suggest Helsreach or Nightlords trilogy by Dembski-Bowden. They're incredibly good.

>>20889041
>Read along as I use my knowledge of SCIENCE from the 21st century to lead the Confederacy to victory!
Dangerously based.

>>20889198
>>20889186
https://www.mtlnovel.com/rebirth-in-america-great-slave-owner/

MTL but I think in this case it’s worth it

>>20882732
>>>/mlp/
As many stories as you could ever want

>>20889379
most supreme board
you never get bored

>>20889379
>As many stories as you could ever want
I don't want pony shit, I want sexy non-humanoid monster girls.

>>20889362
What a treasure

>>20887578
This one calls for pic related. I never visited that website, but I do remember a time when even hinting at criticism going Sanderson's way was viewed as heresy for the normies. I take no joy in Sanderson's downfall, but he's the only one to blame.

>>20889331
Sanderson wrote some decent YA books. Jordan never wrote anything good or even decent in his life.

>>20889442
>ya
>decent

>>20889539
Harry Potter is a decent book for kids.

>>20889416
It also calls for this pic. I never visited Reddit, but I know that Sanderson ruled supreme over normies, now he gets to reap the grains of misery as he falls under the hooves of the normie hordes.

>>20889550
I feel bad for Sando, because he could actually produce semi-decent shit if he planned properly instead of publishing 3 books or so each year like a fucking retard.

>>20888535
do you guys really just buy book and then not read them, lmfao? I've read every single book I bought.
Though maybe that's cus I'm a poorfag so I can't handle "wasting" money like that

>>20889596
I can guess your age.

>>20889682
go ahead

>>20887981
QRD? It’s been a while since I read BOTNS

>>20889596
>poor
>pays for books
b8 or just retard

>>20889772
He doesn't have internet. Please understand.

>>20882577
Your OPs are fucking soulless. Terrible.
Be original for once, you shitter.

>>20889796
Is he the original Neck Beard?

>>20889796
Based

>>20884777
Ok, so I started Good Intentions, and I can confirmed it's pretty good. If that kinda thing sounds up your alley I recommend it.

>Memes are no longer allowed on /sffg/.

Remember, lads. He does it for free.

>>20890076
Yeah, the janny in this thread should be banned. How can anyone be even trash of that level?

>>20887842
It's awful, though I heard her new book is quite good.

Just started Andromeda Strain. Crichton-kino here we go

>>20888929
Chris Wriaght is better

Do as you will, Janny cunt.

I will literally never ever stop posting Bakker memes in /sffg/ until the last book of the No-God series is published.
Only then will my endless thirst for be quenched.

I have endless IPs I can post from too.

I will give you enough unpaid work for years to come.

Truth Shines.

>>20890076
Just noticed that there have been about 40 deleted messages in this thread. Most of them completely innocuous. The janny truly is a tranny.

Any sci-fi/fantasy where MC is ambitious and actively seeks power? Been real tired of all this "i dun wan it" and want to read about characters who move the plot forward by themselves.

>>20890090
>>20890076
>>20890124
https://www.4channel.org/feedback

Do your part.

>>20890125
Cradle?

There's a cunt here either that or he actually became a janny somehow mass reporting multiple posts that he dislikes.

He's literally trying to destroy /sffg/ by transforming it into /r/fantasy, or worse /r/webnovels.

>>20887833
I've read the first two Eisenhorn books and loved them. I think Abnett's strength is that he writes really fun and engaging action scenes, which is a rare talent, but he keeps the drama and tension and thriller aspects dense enough to give meaning to the well penned action.

His characters, general plots, and almost autistic love for world-building exposition dumps are all slightly mediocre... but if I'm craving a galaxy trodding, violent mystery adventure, there are few as pulpy and satisfying as Abnett's W40K books.

>>20882577
I only started reading this stuff last year. Is every single one of these things written by faggots? Here's stuff I've seen in all 10 sci-fi books I've read so far
>hate on God at least once during internal monologs, but specifically the Christian God
>"the year is 2121, we've long moved past the fight over personal liberties and came together to go beyond the stars"
>"this species has evolved beyond roles assigned according to gender" which biologically doesn't make any sense
>"guns are not allowed on such a civilized world"
Other than these gay little things sprinkled in, I've been enjoying them

Any recs for fantasy books that occur before a collapse/leading up to one?

>>20890288
My diary desu

>>20890288
https://www.goodreads.com/series/190347-immortality-and-chaos involves an ancient evil awakening and the subsequent wave of change from the epicenter, breakdown of society, vacating civilians/volunteering to stay and fruitlessly fight, etc. but it takes at least 3 books IIRC to get there, the last book has the meat of what you want.

>>20890144
>>20890127
>>20890124
>Bakkerspam weeping about being deleted
the bakker poster cries out as he strikes your thread

>>20890119
Based

>>20887833
I assume he's gotten better, but that first Eisenhorn book was really bad and I don't know why people keep recommending it as a good first entry into WK40K. Because it's simple or something? Anyway, it really fucking sucked, so bad it made me not want to waste any more of my time on 40K, because if that was some of the "best" that was on offer, they really are nothing but garbage.

But I've recently decided to give it another try, because the universe does seem pretty cool, and at least so far the first Night Lords book is better than that garbage Eisenhorn book. Nothing great of course, but definitely nowhere near as dull and poorly written.

>>20888024
I will read neither, thank you very much.

Are Cradle books YA?

Just bought this since you guys really seem to enjoy posting memes about it.

What am I in for? I'm fairly new to reading.

>>20890589
Tons of homoerotic shit, gay rape, constant descriptions of peckers etc. Bakker is either a closeted fag or loud and proud, I don't know which.

>>20890589
I would advise against it, especially since you're new to reading. Read other, lighter, stuff first. A lot of people here suffer from PBS(Post Bakker Syndrome). Meaning that once you've read him, it will be hard to find other authors in fantasy as good as he is.

Having that said, he is quite literally the most beloved writer in this general, and has been for over a decade, regardless of what newfags tell you. And he is, in my humble opinion, the greatest living writer in fantasy right now.

If you enjoy dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror, then this is the series for you.

>>20890588
I think they're probably on that reading level, yeah?

>>20890613
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up. Fanboys are fucking insufferable.

>>20890613
That's good enough of an explanation.

Thanks, I will hold it in higher esteem from now on then.

FINE! I will PIRATE a Bakker book, OKAY!? there's no way in hell I'm paying real world dollary doos for homoerotic shit.

>>20890613
Holy Based.

Truth Shines.

>>20890125
Dying Earth might be for you. The powerful wizard-scientists compete against each other in distant future of our solar system. There's many connected storylines. The books are essentially compilations of short stories.

>>20890192
Undying Mercenaries series is so completely the opposite of those points that I wonder if you were specifically trying to get someone to mention it. I think the first book even begins in 2121.

What did I just read?

>>20890125
The Prince of Nothing perfectly fits your description unironically

Anyone here heard of Expeditionary Force? I've been listening to it in audiobook form when I'm driving and I've been liking it well enough.

>>20890698
Valis, obviously

>>20890700
>>20890663
Thanks.
>>20890588
lol

>>20890613
Couldn't have said it better myself.

>>20884743
Didn't read.

>>20884743
>The cradle posters are kind of sad. Because even if you could argue that Cradle posting was funny when it began, it's now been long enough that it's become worn out and unfunny.
>And of course they can't get everyone else to laugh, so they have to salvage their poor jokes by deluding themselves that they're happy with the outrage they generate.
>And then when you acknowledge how not even their trolling is funny, they can only cope by hiding being layers of irony. Unfortunately, once you get to the ironic meme phase, there's no real escaping. Because they can always hide behind another layer. Layer after layer, for infinity. Whatever serves to justify their weird autistic quirk that causes them to post Cradle stuff day in and day out.

>>20890802
"Didn't read." - Man who didn't like what he read.

>>20890613

PRAISE BE UPON HIM
FOR HE IS SUPREME
PRAISE BE UPON HIS WORK
FOR IT IS SUPREME

B A K K E R
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Okay, I take it back. Bakker slaps.

>>20883101
you're spot on

>dragon in the title
>dragon on the cover
>dragon anywhere in the story
I can't remember the last story I read that had an interesting take on dragons. they just seem to be treated like a unimaginative free pass compel casuals into reading it and being amused.

>>20891099
Man I fucking hate the Noble Dragon archetype. It's the main thing that put me off reading more than one Temeraire book, it's just impossible for me to take seriously a species becoming these wise, pure beings in a matter of a year.

>>20891099
iron dragon's daughter
the dragons are actually jet fighter planes

Okay Bakkerfags, what exactly IS damnation?

>>20889362
>For us moderns, New Orleans may just be the prefix of KFC Chicken Dumplings
kino first sentence

are there any books with assassin protags where the assassin actually takes on contracts and kills people

>>20891169
it's been a long time since i read it, but i think i remember that being the case in Hollow

Spoopy horror fantasy is the best.

>>20891242
if thats true, then give me recs
please give me recs
dont fucking say lovecraft

>>20891249
shadowmancer's pretty good

>>20891261
idk looks kinda faggy to me

>>20891267
wrong one

>>20891273
>spoopy horror
>reading age 12-17

>>20891249
Worms of the Earth by Robert E. Howard.
Legion from the Shadows by Karl Edward Wagner (quasi sequel to Worms of the Earth).
Karl Edward Wagner's fantasy books in general.
Lords of Dyscrasia by S.E. Lindberg.
Skin by Peter Fugazzotto.
The Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton

>>20891278
if you get the digital version, you can ctrl+F replace a bunch of adjectives with "fucking" so you don't have to be embarrassed

>>20891155
Rejecting Bakker and His work.

>>20890685
Nope I didn't. Guess I'll read that 2121 series then lol

>>20890685
>so completely the opposite
>the first book even proves one of your points
???

Has anyone ever written a fictional biography of a character who lives in a fantasy world?

>>20891249
Laird Barron

>>20890125
The red knight

>>20891099
Realm of the Elderlings dragons.
Every time you think that a dragons story arc might lead to them becoming more warm towards the humans they go and prove it wrong. Human fucking shits.

Do characters in short stories get arcs

>>20891495
Yes.

>>20891392
Do you really think that anon was complaining about the year he most likely pulled out of his ass as a theoretical example and not the "we've long moved past the fight over personal liberties and came together to go beyond the stars" part of that line?

>>20891155
Having your soul ripped apart so Outer Beings can feast on your divine essence

>>20887831
The pace picks up like crazy and my favorite POV takes over for a character from book 1. I really enjoyed that series.

I have been listening to this at work and its kino as fuck

Proof that some women can write good fiction

>>20891642
I don't have divine essence

>>20891853
>The two best women authors write about dragons
Hmmmmm

>>20891853
I've listened to the entire series. Simon Vance is always great, but Temeraire as a whole gets a little old over time and it winds up being more or less interesting based on where they are in a given book. Some of the world like China and the Incan Empire are more interesting, but the book based in Australia was quite boring.

>>20891923
Who's the other?

>>20882577
is this image from a vidya game? which one?

>>20891938
>Regular mediaeval towns in now video games.
God. I hate /v/tards so much.

>>20891936
Not that anon but I assume he means Anne McCaffreys Dragonriders of Pern

>>20891936
>>20891961
Actually I meant Robin Hobb. So there's a third good female author that writes about dragons?


Hmmmmmmmmmm

>>20891950
They are pretty stupid.

Who here fucked the Janitor‘s wife?

Daily reminder that there‘s a proxy fag literally mass reporting posts he doesn‘t like and the janny is sucking his clit with little to no repercussions.

Do your part: https://www.4channel.org/feedback

Or risk ruining this place permanently.

>>20892185
Bakker did.

>>20883101
just read him, or listen to an audiobook. Since it's very easy to read/listen to, doesn't matter if it's stormlight, mistborn, elantris or skyward or whatever else. All characters also have fan art which makes it even more easier to follow since it's easier to visualise.
It's obviously much better than a marvel movie but Sanderson writes for the sake of entertaining and escapism.
He's noted to state "I feel the same way every single day" which is a bit strange in my opinion but it gives you a look into his books, he also teaches a creative writing class you can watch online with all its lectures where he follows and teaches a super formulaic way of writing fantasy giving you another look.
What bothers me most about his books is that he obviously has a pretty neurotypical brain but tries to write very neurodivergent characters, it often just doesn't work too well.
But I still find him alright, Kaladin is fun and Shallan is cute. I don't understand what people like about Szeth so much.

>>20892271
Nothing in your post is accurate.

>>20892285
ok sorry I'll try again.
>>20883101
Don't read him, but if you do it matters, only read mistborn era 2. None of his characters have fan art so it's harder to visualise.
Marvel movies like Eternals or iron man 3 is better than stormlight, but Sanderson writes for deep thoughts and realism.
He's noted to say "every day is different and my personality constantly changes" which is normal which doesn't give you a look into his books, he also doesn't teach a creative writing class.
What I love is that he's neurodivergent but writes neurotypical characters which works really well!
But I still find him stale, Kaladin is cute and Shallan is fun. And Szeth has the best chapters.

>>20892303

>>20892303
Wrong =/= Accurate

>>20892303
>None of his characters have fanart

Sanderson has some of the most fanart of the stuff that gets recommended in /sffg/

>>20892320
Wow, anon, its almost as if the post was made just to fuck with the anon who didn't like the effort post.

>>20892320
read what I'm replying to

>>20892007
>(third) good female author
what

>>20892320
Retard

>>20892324
>>20892325
>>20892327
>>20892335
I'm trans and my favorite author is Bakker btw.

Is anyone else bothered by a tranny janny trying to recreate this place in his image? This thread has had so many deleted posts. Took me moments to collect just a few.

They're dishing out 2-day bans for these, by the way.

>>20892476
See >>20892191

I will Post memes about Bakker
I will Post memes about Sanderson
I will Post memes about the Pringle man
I will post Tolkien and Herbert Memes
I will reference Reddit in my posts
I will shit on cradle and reverend insanity
I will do meta posting
I will post charts
I will post /sffg/´s most beloved author‘s poll
And there is nothing that the janny can do about it.

Simple as.

>>20890544
>Nothing great of course,
They're my favourite books, so it's only downhill from there. Lord of the Night by Simon Spurrier is pretty good too.

>>20885707
You know those books some women read? Cowboy vampire romance books with a guy with abs on the cover.
It's like that, but for guys I guess. I don't recommend them, just watch lore videos for entertainment.

>>20892508
>You know those books some women read?
They sell these in pretty much every larger grocery store. Right next to the candy bars at the checkout. I don't think 40k is quite that popular among guys.

>>20892516
yeah I know, but you know what I mean. Different fantasy.
I still find it weird how popular these books are. It's so retarded.

>>20890125
a lesser known series

Mistborn era 2 is kinda shit, bro.

>>20892516
It may be my coomer brain but that title and that cover image definitely wouldn't be out of place in a porno

New thread
>>20892630

>>20890613
Janny is a coward for deleting this post. An absolute truth bomb that /sffg/ needs to hear.

>>20891286
Excellent recommendations here.

>>20892603
Mistborn 3 > Wax & Wayne 3 > Wax & Wayne 2 > Mistborn 2 > Wax & Wayne 1 > Mistborn 1

>>20892527
Women read a lot and don't pirate their books.