/lit/ - Literature

>>20883982
likely both, but certainly not you.

>>20883990
I am currently the executive, except 26 and childless. I applied to a job as a detective with my capital city's police force and have been accepted. I'm weighing up whether to take it. My most important motivator is having the greatest positive effect I can have on the world.

If I stay in my current role then I will amass wealth, but my work feels soulless and makes corporations richer. However, I could use that wealth to enact positive change, and seek meaning as a father and provider.

If I join the police, my salary and quality of life will both plummet. Currently I'm being paid a lot for essentially 9-5 hours working from home any day I want. As a detective my current salary will decrease by around 66% and will take a while to catch up. I will never be able to work from home and will have to cover all hours of the day through a shift rota. However, I am highly attracted to the idea of giving myself entirely to a higher ideal, renouncing this world, and striving to become a saint through a life spent in service of the good.

I have always had a deep personal mistrust of money given the consistent messaging in the gospels that it is, at best, an impediment to salvation. Yes, there was a wealthy young man that kept the commandments and Christ told him that he would be saved, but Christ also said that if the man would be PERFECT, he should give away his possessions, take up his cross and follow Christ. I would strive to be perfect, especially as elsewhere Christ exhorts us to be just that.

>>20883982
a man who lives in a small cabin in the mountains and devotes himself daily to gardening, prayer, and reading.

>>20883999
Become a detective. If you're actually good at it, or think you will be. Sure having kids is nice but a lot of people are already doing that, if you don't feel an extreme need for kids maybe you can do without.
Have you gone to school in forensic studies or something? What even made you apply?

>>20883999
checked, worth a reply.

why do you presuppose fatherhood and parenthood is not a higher ideal? having possessions to provide for your children, raising them with the Good News to be children of Christ, and allowing them to spread their Good News of Christ is as a noble goal as foregoing possessions, foregoing mentorship and leadership to surrender fully to Christ, and dedicating yourself to your Faith and your Good Works. these are ultimately equal in the eyes of God, you will be saved.

the problem is that you are unsure, you are in a crisis of the soul. you are not currently the executive you described, you may be in the process of becoming that ideal, but you are not yet there. instead of simply continuing your becoming a true disciple of Christ, your soul is in crisis and you are holding yourself in stasis. do not make the mistake of assuming this means your path will not lead to salvation, if you follow your current path with Christ as Sheppard you will be saved. you can choose to change course, but understand you will have to follow that path without question as much as you have to follow this one. in essence, it is not about belief, it is about faith.

i suggest you spend a day in contemplative prayer. you will not find any answers on this board because the answers you are seeking will come from God and God alone.

>>20883982
>>20883999
The most important thing for society is the family unit.
The most important thing for the individual is the cultivation of the soul.
The individual comes before family.

Now hunting and punishing bad guys is not really a moral thing to do. Instead one should focus on building and fostering your community to help other people to avoid becoming deviants in the first place.

I know Aristotle think Magnanimity is a virtue, and Augustine thinks that the core message of the bible is charity, so thats points towards the charity and family section. Money is not an impediment to salvation, but a tool if you have disassociated yourself from it.
But I think every one of the philosophers would admire a virtuous person the most, hence chasity is ranked higher than marriage.
Though if you want to be a saint you should join a monastery and focus on achieving apatheia in order to dwell in God.

>>20884042
I don't feel a strong emotional desire to have children. If I were to have children it would be the result of a rational decision, that it would fulfil some kind of good.

I applied because I was previously a regular uniformed officer in my small hometown police force some years ago. I went to a really good school, and my peers ended up in medicine, law, engineering, business. I felt insecure and so went to university and joined a big consulting firm. But now that I have the 'respect' of my peers, and money, I realise how meaningless it is.

>>20884044
You're right in that I'm not that executive yet. It's how I envision I would become if I remained on this path. Fatherhood may well be a higher ideal, and if I wasn't to have children then why not become a priest? But I've prayed long and hard and I don't believe I'm being called to that.

The police seems to me a kind of secular priesthood. State law is fundamentally predicated on moral/natural law, which comes from God. If there are diabolic forces influencing the most evil crimes - like those of serial killers, or the organised traffick and abuse of children - then surely, as a Christian opposing those forces, one is performing a kind of sub-exorcism, or at the very least allowing oneself to become a willing agent, or tool, for God, St Michael, and the forces of ultimate good which wish to oppose that evil.

Of course not all detectives have this mindset, but perhaps being a detective becomes a higher calling by virtue of simply choosing to have the mindset and recognising one's place in a cosmic hierarchy, and surrendering oneself as a vessel for the forces which wish to oppose the darkness.

>>20883982
Can you even sleep on that mattress without waking up with painful back ache?

>>20883982
The second one sounds like the description of the show Luther. Wish they made more episodes.

>>20884044
this is christcucked nonsense

>>20884147
t. misunderstands christian terminology

you must speak to others in the language they understand. i am not a christian, but i understand how to speak to them. op is a christian and will best be reached through christian terminology.

>>20884106
This is the sort of thing I am also looking for. You make good points. But virtue isn't a boolean value, there are degrees of virtue just as there are degrees of holiness. A father can be virtuous, but what about a father who catches wicked people? Punishing wicked people may not be a moral action in itself, but surely preventing them from doing evil to others is.

>>20883999
If you live in America, your work as a detective will only contribute to the incarceration rates in a system with fucked prisons. Punishing bad guys is not inherently bad, but the conditions of US prisons and the punishment there only creates more violence and leads to a high recidivism rate.

>>20883999
Buddy Jesus was a carpetenter
Those who picked up the cross and followed him grew food I think
He who does not shall not eat and such

>>20884246
>>20884253
I live in the UK, but I get your point.

At the same time - there are people out in the world, right now, making children have sex with dogs. They film it and sell the footage on the dark web. There are people who consciously, without acting in the heat of the moment or in a fit of passion, do unspeakably evil things to innocent people.

Just look at this page:

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap

Those monsters are out there and there are countless more getting away with it. Is dedicating my life to finding and stopping these people not a virtuous thing to do? Or would it be more virtuous for me to amass wealth, and donate $5m to the organizations that do catch these people? Which has the greater impact? Which is the more moral path?

Hunting evil will always be more based than conforming to the status quo

>>20884106
>Now hunting and punishing bad guys is not really a moral thing to do.
What kind of logic is that? Preventing further evil isn't a good? A detective isn't just there to find the bad guys so they can torture them or something.

>>20884278
Well if the job takes a mental toll on you it's alright to change jobs.
As far as spreading Christianity well St Paul did it by getting on the streets and preaching I think. Tell them what you think.

>>20883999
You sound like you’d make a good movie character

>>20884163
>But virtue isn't a boolean value, there are degrees of virtue just as there are degrees of holiness.
I would disagree, and say that every action is either virtuous or unvirtuous. Anselm taught that to sin requires Free Will. And the Will wills things that produce happiness/pleasure or justice. So a rational person can only be happy by being moral, sense it is irrational to do what one knows is wrong. The fall of the Devil was due to him willing happiness without rectitude.
Anselm was arguing in the vein of Augustine that evil is the absence of good. So bad people are just lacking in goodness, and should be shown pity.

The most important thing about virtuous actions is intention. Matthew 5:8, “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."
Thats why the Desert fathers spent their lives purifying themselves from logismoi ("Evil" thoughts that would lead to sin). I think they would argue that Justice is God's domain and one shouldn't assume to know what is it right by Him, by I'm not unsure where I read that so I cant give you a quote.

>>20884295
My underlying reasoning is that one would be alleviating the symptoms of a disease instead of curing it. A doctor would just be prolonging a patients suffering if he did that, instead of removing the cause of his suffering
Mencius 4B2
>Zichan,1 when he was in charge of the government of Zheng, used his own carriage to convey people across the Chen and Wei rivers. Mencius said, “He was kind, but he did not understand the practice of government. When the footbridges are completed in the eleventh month and the carriage bridges in the twelfth month of each year,2 the people will not have the difficulty of having to wade across. The gentleman should practice government equitably. When he travels, he may have people cleared from his path. How can he convey each person across the river? If one who governs tries to please each person, the day will not be sufficient for him to do his work.”

>>20884355
>one would be alleviating the symptoms of a disease instead of curing it
If you're Christian, that's what you're here to do.
The doctor comparison doesn't fit here anyway, a detective hypothetically stopping a serial killer from killing more people isn't prolonging suffering, it's cutting it short.

>>20883982
If you're a detective working rape and murder cases odds are you're all sorts of fucked up and are unable to function

>>20884452
The doctor is the saint, the patient is society. The symptoms of disease could be serial killers. Stopping one serial killer would cut short suffering as you said, but it won't prevent another serial killer from appearing and thus more suffering from taking place. My stance is that one should focus on the root of the matter and not the branches, if one wants to make a lasting difference.

>>20883999
99% sure this is fake, but in the 1% chance this is true please do not give up a lucrative career because jesus christ told you to

>>20884154
sophistry at its finest

>>20883982
It would take you a significant number of years to reach the point you're hoping to reach. You'd probably have to put in at least 10 years before getting to the point where you're investigating serial killers and organized pedos.

Since this is a literature board, I'd recommend reading Anna Karenina and paying attention to how Levin finds purpose in life, and also War & Peace and looking at what Andrei hopes to find in the military, and what his eventual conclusions are.

If I was in your position I would make enough money to get away from the city, to start a family of my own, provide for them, and raise them in my faith.

>>20883982
Whichever one is most comfortable with death.

Why don’t you decide for yourself what you want with YOUR life? Why turn to philosophy, religion, and random fuckers on 4chan before consulting yourself?

I can’t say if it would make you happy, but if I were in your shoes, I would forever regret not taking the detective job.

>>20884697
Not OP but curious why you would feel that way? If you want to be a cop then be one lol

>>20884725
It’s not that I want to be a cop, it’s that I couldn’t handle passing up an opportunity to do something I’ve always wanted to do. Doubly so if the alternative is working the rest of my life in a soul-crushing office wagie position.

To me it sounds like this detective job is something that OP has wanted for some time now. He’s already applied and been accepted. It seems like he’s just got cold feet.

>>20883999
yeah not reading all that

>>20883982
Latter, because it involves epistemic problem solving

>>20884324
Now I want to write a novel about a man who gives up a life that people would kill for because of a sudden onset of schizophrenia which deludes him into believing he has to become a moral crusader. In an ironic twist of fate he is killed during his crusade by someone who would give anything for his former life.

>>20884489
And how are you gonna stop serial killers from killing folks? Maybe you should suggest that job to OP.

>>20884129
>State law is fundamentally predicated on moral/natural law, which comes from God.
That is a noble train of thought, but it ultimately does not hold up in the 21st century.

OP is just a fucking batman wannabe. A budget Bruce Wayne. Watched one too many capeshit movies, now the söy has rotted his brains. Rich guy wants to fight crime for a higher purpose in life.

Just use your money for something good desu
Being a detective is kind of retarded
Like if you have enough money maybe build a really beautiful building or park or something

>>20884927
Isn't fighting crime a higher purpose in life for a rich guy, though?

>>20883999
All the jesus and biblical shit is irrelevant. As long as you keep pushing yourself and throwing yourself into the fire, that's the important part. Being christ like is a meme. There's only one Christian and he died on the cross.

>>20884983
He could also use his money to improve the lives of others, or devote himself to the arts.

>time to quit by job and be a crime fighter who really makes a difference in the world!
>becomes a detective
>works constant overtime for shit pay under a police chief who's been taking bribes for 40 years
>going to spend decades handling legal busywork while the corruption that's driving the emotional turmoil that motivates dramatic change to begin with sits entirely unaffected, except now you have a front row seat to the awfulness

Bro use all that easy money you're getting to start a non profit that puts qualified, non-naïve people on the front lines of solving problems. You'd do a lot more good for the world and put you/your future family in a lot less danger for it.

>>20883982
I vote for abbot child abuser embezzling charity funds.

>>20883999
What a pitiful larp. As if cops would need an investigator without prior police experience, especially in prestigious and labour intensive capital unit. Basic police course, then evaluation period, then few years of experience as a beat cop, earning positive opinion of superiors, completing course or criminal law/forensic studies are necessary.
Even if you have rare and valuable skills you would be at best assigned to forensic department as a civilian technician, provided they have resources for such positions.

>>20885396
https://www.met.police.uk/car/careers/met/police-officer-roles/detective-constable/overview/

not OP but you're demonstrably wrong

>>20883982
>Who lives the better life? Who has the more significant impact on the world?
The executive. The future belongs to those who show up; fail to have kids, and when you die, that's the end. With numerous kids destined for a large inheritance, good education, etc., the executive has long-term influence on the world that the detective doesn't and can't.

>>20883982
>the executive who earns $500k a year,
lol what year are you from

>>20885559
this, and I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned already. Having the wherewithal to raise children properly and build a strong family unit, while having reasonable wealth, sets you up for a real dynasty. Instead of you being a detective you might have one kid become a detective, another a doctor, another still a politician who actually tries to make some change. The impact you have is exponentially greater. Stop being hyper-individualistic and focusing on yourself and instead look to the family unit to improve the community to improve the society.

>>20885583
that's a good wage, my brother's gf's dad is a partner at Bain and makes like $1m a year

>>20884278
Jesus Christ anon, you already have an answer: GO TO THE POLICE CAREER.

I'm 34 now and I had the same doubt you have now. I chose the money road and it was a nightmare. Please don't make the same mistake. You appear to be really good at know what's the police mision.

I'll start to pray for you, please go fuck all these monsters, and remember to protect your people too. Godspeed

>>20883999
assuming this isn't a larp, wouldn't the executive job be a bigger positive?
you have more cash to help other people with.
the problem isn't the money, it's how you treat it. Christ told the man to sell everything to test him, and he left, showing he loved his riches more than God.
you'd be squandering a blessing to get a perceived sense of doing good.

>>20884129
>The police seems to me a kind of secular priesthood.
Why not just join the priesthood?

>>20884163
>Punishing wicked people may not be a moral action in itself, but surely preventing them from doing evil to others is.
Prevention is a high good but forgiveness is higher

>>20884278
The key error you're making is that you are living your life with reference to evil rather than with reference to the good.
>Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Evil, in this mortal world, is only shrinkable by increasing good and grace via forgiveness as decreasing evil is not possible.

>>20885262
that image is literally me

>>20883999
kek this guy is gonna end up killing himself no matter what he picks lmao

>>20885916
>One should forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.
—Heinrich Heine

On one hand I am jealous of OP's seemingly suicidal desire to pursue his ideal life no matter how misguided he may be about the glories of detective work. On the other hand I am glad I am not so retarded and ungrateful as to give up such a cushy life for an absurd dream.

>>20883982
>>20883999
You have been blessed with exquisite wealth, and you should be thanking God for that, rather than throwing it all away because your life isn't as dramatic as you had hoped.

>>20886560
Wealth is just a burden for a spiritual man. Beyond basic survival there is nothing it can give you. Basedboys may argue that there is value to a material world, but even an entry-level philosopher can deflate their logic

>>20886653
Typical young moron who thinks money only buys you pussy and food. You're young, you're healthy, and you feel like life is infinite. This is why you don't care.

>open thread about moral/utilitarian philosophy
>”just turn to Christ and pray on it”
You really can’t get away from Abrah*mics anywhere, it’s almost as bad as /x/

>>20886653
>>20887219
the typical normie pursuit of material wealth is the first entry-level thing that get BTFO when you start to look at philosophy.

However, OP, I would argue that the danger comes in loving the wealth. A truly virtuous man in possession of a large fortune can do real lasting good with it. Set up charities and foundations, build hospitals in third world countries, donate. These are things you cannot do in poverty.

You are choosing between becoming Jean ValJean and Inspector Javert. Both were godly men but ValJean is the one who becomes a saint, and he was a rich factory owner.

>>20887233
contribute something to the discourse, then. While weird, this is a thread directly asking for people to share their own views and outlooks, which I enjoy reading.

>>20887236
No wealth, no food, no security, no free time, no philosophy. Go read real books and actually think about them, pseud. If I had a billion dollars I wouldn't have to work anymore, which would let me read more and avoid worrying about food and health or paying rent.
People like you have the mind of a cockroach. You are tiny, you are nothing.

>>20887233
abrahmicucks are like a virus

>>20887245
wow, that's a lot of projection, friend. I don't believe the meaning of life is to not work so you can read more books. Having some source of income is important, but I think there is great virtue in living a frugal life and renouncing worldly success. So did Plato and Aristotle and the Stoics, so did the Christian philosophers, so did Spinoza. There is great value in reading philosophy, I would say that they are the 'real books' you mention, and you have to think about them because they are challenging. I don't know why you responded with such animosity but I can only assume you are in pain of some kind and I hope you find peace soon.

>>20887293
>wow, that's a lot of projection, friend. I don't believe the meaning of life is to not work so you can read more books.
I don't want to work for other men. I don't find that ideal.
> Having some source of income is important, but I think there is great virtue in living a frugal life and renouncing worldly success.
Money is necessary for
>food,
>safety,
>having a place to sleep,
>dealing with crime (lawyers),
>affording healthcare,
>buying books, etc.
The less money you have, the less freedom you have.

>So did Plato and Aristotle and the Stoics, so did the Christian philosophers, so did Spinoza.
I'll make another post about this.

>There is great value in reading philosophy, I would say that they are the 'real books' you mention, and you have to think about them because they are challenging. I don't know why you responded with such animosity but I can only assume you are in pain of some kind and I hope you find peace soon.
There is great value in freedom, and money lets you be free.

>>20887293
>>20887330
>>So did Plato and Aristotle and the Stoics, so did the Christian philosophers, so did Spinoza.
>>20887293


Plato:
>Little is known about Plato's early life and education. He belonged to an aristocratic and influential family. According to a disputed tradition, reported by doxographer Diogenes Laërtius, Plato's father Ariston traced his descent from the king of Athens, Codrus, and the king of Messenia, Melanthus.

Socrates:
>Socrates was born in 470 or 469 BC to Sophroniscus and Phaenarete, a stoneworker and a midwife, respectively, in the Athenian deme of Alopece; therefore, he was an Athenian citizen, having been born to relatively affluent Athenians.[41] He lived close to his father's relatives and inherited, as was customary, part of his father's estate, securing a life reasonably free of financial concerns.

Aristotle:
>Aristotle was born in 384 BC in Stagira, Chalcidice, about 55 km (34 miles) east of modern-day Thessaloniki.[10][11] His father, Nicomachus, was the personal physician to King Amyntas of Macedon. While he was young, Aristotle learned about biology and medical information, which was taught by his father.[12] Both of Aristotle's parents died when he was about thirteen, and Proxenus of Atarneus became his guardian.[13] Although little information about Aristotle's childhood has survived, he probably spent some time within the Macedonian palace, making his first connections with the Macedonian monarchy.[14]

The stoics are a different matter. Due to the nature of their philosophy they came from all aspects of life: emperors (Aurelius), slaves (Epictetus), nobles (Seneca), etc.

Spinoza
>Spinoza was eventually able to relinquish responsibility for the business and its debts to his younger brother, Gabriel, and devote himself chiefly to the study of philosophy, especially the system expounded by Descartes, and to optics.

And most Christian philosophers lived in monasteries and to join one you had to make a donation.

>>20883982
More likely the second, but it really depends on their ego and their self image.

The first guy sounds like he's desperately trying to live up to a self-image he can't meet.

The second guy is more open-ended, often people who donate everything are highly egotistical, they just have developed it in a perverse way that eschews material goods. But their ego is just as strong, only twisted.

The person who would be happiest wouldn't be pursuing a self-image they can't meet, and would just be living and acting in the moment.

>>20887293
About medieval philosophers, here's some information I got from plebbit form a guy that put it better than I can:

>Firstly, I'd recommend, if you can, get your hands on C.H. Lawrence's Medieval Monasticism. It's the best introduction to the subject and I'm basing most of the answer here on it.

>As a general rule, anyone could apply to join a monastery in the central middle ages. In practice however, it was a bit more complicated than that. You had to be literate, in order to take full part in the liturgy and in the prayer and meditation of monastic life. There does appear to have been some leeway here, and we have some evidence that you could spend your private study time improving your reading, but a basic level would have been expected. Secondly, new monks were usually expected to bring an endowment with them to donate to the monastery. This wasn't a strict requirement and, although most endowment was in land, it's certainly possible that other offerings were accepted. As you can expect, these conditions did limit to a large extent those who could become monks. That's not to say you needed to be a noble to become a monk. While there do seem to be monasteries, mainly in Germany, which were pretty snobbish about recruitment, a wealthy peasant could quite easily become a monk.

>Peasants didn't need permission to join a monastery, except that of the abbot, who approved all new recruits. Unfree serfs, however, could not become monks, nor could illegitimate children (these rules were common for the clergy as a whole).

This part is important:
>As you can expect, these conditions did limit to a large extent those who could become monks.
And it's all about money.
And also the point about serfdom.
If you have money you don't have to worry about these things.
You need money so that you can avoid being affected by normies.
Normies will destroy your life and they'll fuck with you constantly.

>>20883982
Varg

As an ancient wise man once said, the greatest life is a life lived living

>>20887348
>>20887391
Great posts and you make valid points. You shouldn't have resorted to ad hominem/insults initially, you're clearly intelligent, formulate your view in a way that doesn't involve calling other people striving to live a good life cockroaches.

>>20883982
As a detective, you will be mostly hunting working class or lower middle class folks made deranged by living in a modern society that alienates them. You won't be a good guy fighting villains: you'll be cleaning up the mess produced by the very system you serve. You'll be an ouroboros.

>>20883999
You're a narcissist. Nothing will change if you continue living or die in this moment. Give up your delusion that you have something important to do. It is vanity. If you can just be, then you will have found the way. Read "The Dark Night of the Soul" and you'll see your present nature identified and chided there.

>>20887391
>If you have money you don't have to worry about these things.You need money so that you can avoid being affected by normies.
I realized this a long time ago. Its the only reason I care about money.

>>20887219
>>20887245
Maybe if you actually read Philosophy you learn not to infer terms based on your ideas but upon context. "Exquisite wealth" was being attacked, not wealth itself. Wealth beyond basic necessities is just a waste of time and effort. Establishing a passive income to live a frugal live should be the aim of any city dweller.
I forgive you for being rash, because one should not blame the blind for not having received the gift of sight.

>Immortal gods! Men are not aware how great a revenue is parsimony; for I now proceed to speak of extravagant men, I take my leave of the money-hunter. The revenue one man receives from his estate is six hundred sestertia; I receive one hundred from mine. To that man who has gilded roofs and marble pavements in his villas, and who unboundedly covets statues, pictures, vestments, and furniture, his income is insufficient, not only for his expenditure, but even for the payment of his interest; while there will be some surplus even from my slender income, through cutting off the expenses of voluptuousness. Which, then, is the richer, he who has a deficit, or he who has a surplus? — he who is in need, or he who abounds? — the man whose estate, the greater it is, requires the more to sustain it, or whose estate maintains itself by its own resources? - Cicero Paradox 6

You guys ever wonder if detectives are just people who live for the hunt, and pursue those who are more like them than they would like to think? That perhaps their own career just retains a perpetuity of hunter and hunted, and that involving yourself in the arts or medicines would probably do more to prevent criminality, than just throwing your fishing line?

the executive who earns $500k but lives like a monk

>>20883999
Aristotle would have called you small-souled (the deficiency opposite of the excess of vanity) if you could be in a position of power but chose something less than what your abilities commanded you to do.

>>20887795
>Maybe if you actually read Philosophy you learn not to infer terms based on your ideas but upon context. "Exquisite wealth" was being attacked, not wealth itself. Wealth beyond basic necessities is just a waste of time and effort. Establishing a passive income to live a frugal live should be the aim of any city dweller.
I apologize for attacking you, my point is that you have to be conventionally ("upon context") wealthy to retire early, to afford taxes (property, etc.), to afford paying for your retirement plan (401(k) in the US, right?) for added security, and to make sure you can also afford healthcare when you're older than 40-50, depending on how good your genes are and how healthy you are. That's the bare minimum, assuming all you do is eat, sleep and have frugal hobbies and activities.
And then, depending on personal preferences and needs for safety, you may wish to live in a nice village, town or city, in a safe neighborhood. That's going to require even more money.


I get your point about frugality on the other hand and I agree with it completely, and I'm a very frugal person.

>>20887477
Thank you, and you're right, it's important to formulate your argument carefully and with consideration towards others, which can be difficult if you have anger issues like me. I'll try to get better at that

>>20883999
>Christ told him that he would be saved, but Christ also said that if the man would be PERFECT,

Well delusional cock, let me you on to something. As "exiting" as "salvation" sounds like, it's nothing more than an honorable mention on your way to eternal damnation that you already have set a course to. As you may begin to forget in your ever deteriorating thinking mass, another function of "salvation" is requiem, as Christ alluded to above. A simple ease of soul for upcoming condemnation.

If you have lived your life with silent appreciation of its best parts, doing your part till the end, you'd be saved as a life itself would be your reward. But the second you, not only doubt it, but the turn to, non other than God himself to exhort him off his gift with your egotistic morals, you've sentenced yourself, as a judge and felon of the court of your own making to that which you shouldn't question certainty of. True salvation is not a willy-nilly agreement that you made in a corner and can choose when to uphold it or not, it's either or, and the seriousness of it is proportional to the value, which is your ENTIRE existence and beyond. So go figure.

>>20885586
>>20885559
wealth can spoil children which can lead them to self destruct
>you might have one kid become a detective, another a doctor, another still a politician who actually tries to make some change
why they have nothing to prove with a large inheritance they have everything by modern world's standards

>>20883982
>Some of you seem to know your philosophy quite well.
rofl

>>20883982
Room posts/ battle stations anons?

How should I update my space anons?

>>20883999
I really doubt it.

>>20885916
>>20885936
Thank you anons, you really made me think, and you really spoke to me.....bump for a great thread.

>>20883982
My problem with this setup is that it stimulates laziness.