/lit/ - Literature

>>20874935
If I told you, you would mock me

I can't tell you about the true dao, cunt

It is the way(tm)

I can’t tell you what it is, but I can tell you what it is not.

That is really ugly font
Comic sands of china
Very ugly

>>20874935
Ask Heraclitus, and wait till he says nothing then you'll know

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>>20874990
what the fuck are you talking about

>>20874935
Chinese for "logos" or "reason"

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>>20874935
Wouldn't you like to know!

Clap with your dick and wait for the rain

Okay, so imagine Hakuna Matata but when Nala and Rafiki come to drag you back to reality, you just let them abuse you until they get tired and then you go back to rolling around on the grass and strutting before waterfalls. Also the entire time you are like 80% sure that everything is a dream and maybe you are the talking lion or maybe he's a part of you or maybe you are just high and watching Disney films.

>>20874935
>what the FUCK is the dao

The ultimate "if you have to ask you'll never know"

>>20874935
non-dual reality

when you break the subject-object distinction;
that's why you can't say anything, because the structure of language does not correspond exactly to the structure of reality
the grammatical subject doesn't exist on reality, it's just an imposition, an idea

any taoist chart?

>>20875691
No. Charts can only lead you away from the Tao.

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>>20875784
thanks

>>20875784
Nigga what the fuck.Only gweilo read books on the Dao.

Can the Dao turn me into a great magician? I want to turn my friend's shirt into the color red. Or do I have to practice martial arts for that?

The nature of the dao can only be peripherally described by a series of negations. Ultimately, the dao is not an “entity”, it is not something we can describe with subject-object predication and categorical thought. It is something to be experienced.

>>20875784
Good job anon

>>20874935
The dao that is the dao is not the dao.

>>20875784
first line of the Daodejing
>the Dao can't be put into words
anons
>I need to read a MILLION books about this!

is taoism better than buddhism? i bought yoga book but then i heard its hinduism, and i don't like elephants so i bought buddhist books instead. but not existing is boring and i like anime and japanese jew fearing samurai and panda bears are also chill so maybe i should forget about the other books and be a taoist. you just have to sit on a rice mat and have some old guy hit you on the head with bamboo stick every hour or two, right? whats this bullshit with needing a teacher anyway? where did the first teacher have its wisdom from?

>>20876948
Buddihsm is nonsense. Its an entire religion about pleasure.

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>>20876998
Iirc Buddhists spend an entire book having a monkey beat the shit out of Daoist demons.

>>20876998
buddhists are right about pleasure
t. used to pleasure myself alot
maybe pleasure requires two, one who plea and the other who says "sure"
plea...sure
lea...sur
ea...su
a...s
...
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maybe the dao is the "S" between Sam and Ara?

>>20875888
Yes but you'll have to learn from the secret taoist school in mount Shan in the province of ShengFen where they will teach you the Art of Slaying Dragons. Only after mastering this art can you move on to the more esoteric arts such as changing the color of cloth through focused meditation.

The Dao is the Origin Of The World, like L'Origine du Monde by Gustave Courbet. Search for that if you do not know what it is. Pic related completely explains the Dao.

>>20877324
Here is a modern reinterpretation of L'Origine du Monde by Gustave Courbet, The Origin Of The World that is the Dao. It probably only makes sense if you know the original painting. I think this is what yinyang, the Dao and Yindao are about.

>>20874962
Here is a better one for you. Spring Autumn Period

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>>20877351
In the cursive script of the Tang dynasty, I like this one by the insane drunken monk calligrapher Huai Su. His style was praised by the poet Li Bai

The Dao is:

>incest
Yu ruled the world by causing the hearts of the people to change. It was assumed that each man had a heart of his own, that recourse to arms was quite all right. Killing a thief is not a case of murder, they said; every man in the world should look out for his own kind. As a result, there was great consternation in the world, and the Confucians and Mohists all came forward, creating for the first time the rules of ethical behavior. But what would they say about those men who nowadays make wives of their daughters?
禹之治天下,使民心變,人有心而兵有順,殺盜非殺,人自為種而天下耳,是以天下大駭,儒、墨皆起。其作始有倫,而今乎婦女,何言哉!

>transgender
The white fish hawk has only to stare unblinking at its mate for fertilization to occur. With insects, the male cries on the wind above, the female cries on the wind below, and there is fertilization. The creature called the lei is both male and female, and so it can fertilize itself. Inborn nature cannot be changed, fate cannot be altered, time cannot be stopped, the Way cannot be obstructed. Get hold of the Way and there’s nothing that can’t be done; lose it and there’s nothing that can be done.
夫白鶂之相視,眸子不運而風化;蟲,雄鳴於上風,雌應於下風而風化。類自為雌雄,故風化。性不可易,命不可變,時不可止,道不可壅。苟得其道,無自而不可;失焉者,無自而可。」

>Piss and shit
Master Dongguo asked Zhuangzi, “This thing called the Way—where does it exist?”
Zhuangzi, said, “There’s no place it doesn’t exist.”
“Come,” said Master Dongguo, “you must be more specific!”
“It is in the ant.”
“As low a thing as that?”
“It is in the grass.”
“But that’s lower still!”
“It is in the tiles and shards.”
“How can it be so low?”
“It is in the piss and shit!”
Master Dongguo made no reply.
東郭子問於莊子曰:「所謂道,惡乎在?」莊子曰:「無所不在。」東郭子曰:「期而後可。」莊子曰:「在螻蟻。」曰:「何其下邪?」曰:「在稊稗。」曰:「何其愈下邪?」曰:「在瓦甓。」曰:「何其愈甚邪?」曰:「在屎溺。」東郭子不應。
(as I explained here, from the other thread)
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>>20877422
the Dao is /gif
/gif is the Dao

>>20875658
Ying Yang is dualistic, dipshit

the dao is where questions go when they look for answers

>>20877422
The Dao is also
>literally masturbation, Onanism
Pure spirit reaches in the four directions, flows now this way, now that—there is no place it does not extend to. Above, it brushes Heaven; below, it coils on the earth. It transforms and nurses the ten thousand things, but no one can make out its form. Its name is called One-with-Heaven. The way to purity and whiteness is to guard the spirit, this alone; guard it and never lose it, and you will become one with spirit, one with its pure essence, which communicates and mingles with the Heavenly Order.
精神四達並流,無所不極,上際於天,下蟠於地,化育萬物,不可為象,其名為同帝。純素之道,惟神是守,守而勿失,與神為一,一之精通,合於天倫。
(The important thing to realise is that the word 精 spirit here can also mean essence/semen. This passage is literally interpreted as such in Daoist sex magic)

>anti-miscegenation, White Supremacy
Whiteness means there is nothing mixed in; purity means the spirit is never impaired. He who can embody purity and whiteness may be called the True Man.
故素也者,謂其無所與雜也;純也者,謂其不虧其神也。能體純素,謂之真人。
(This one might just be the idiosyncratic American Burton Watson translation from Columbia 2013. I would translate Whiteness more as The Immaculate, I have seen some editions translate it as Simplicity vs admixture, or some other synonyms for Purity. A better translation of True Man might be Perfected Man.)

>>20877491
imagine if every time you performed self-pleasure, this happened
>Pure spirit reaches in the four directions, flows now this way, now that—there is no place it does not extend to. Above, it brushes Heaven; below, it coils on the earth. It transforms and nurses the ten thousand things, but no one can make out its form. Its name is called One-with-Heaven.
Truly this is the work of Perfected Sages

>>20875012
>Logos, Reason
I think that is more akin to 德, the Virtue - power of Discernment of the Way. The main difficulty with these concepts is because the different schools had different conceptions of them, Confucian, Daoist, Mohist, Quietist/Primitivist, Naturalist, Legalist etc all had different notions for each concept, and even within one school, the Zhuangzi notionof De / Virtue / discernment power is very different to the Laozi / Laodan Daoist approach that came before.

Dao is nothing but bullshit. Same as all the other pump and dump scams

>>20877522
I bet you're a fucking christfag though, bet you don't thinks ITS bullshit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGp71ej2P0

>>20877530
no im not and i think that long haired faggit deserved to be nailed to the cross for public drunkeness and flipping tables like an asshole

>>20877522
Dao is piss and shit, I explained it already here
>>20877422
no need to repeat things

>>20877513
Attainment of Dao is akin to Stoicism or the ephectic ataraxia of Pyrrhonism. Those Greeks believed ataraxia as the path delivering eudaimonia. The approach of Zhuangzi was to align one's actions and disposition with Heaven:
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So it is said, Grief and happiness are perversions of Virtue; joy and anger are transgressions of the Way; love and hate are offenses against Virtue. When the mind is without care or joy, this is the height of Virtue.

Hence for the mind to be free from sorrow and pleasure is the perfection of virtue; to be of one mind that does not change is the perfection of quietude; to be conscious of no opposition is the perfection of vacancy; to have no intercourse with (external) things is the perfection of indifference; and to have no rebellious dissatisfactions is the perfection of purity.'

故曰:悲樂者,德之邪;喜怒者,道之過;好惡者,德之失。故心不憂樂,德之至也;一而不變,靜之至也;無所於忤,虛之至也;不與物交,惔之至也;無所於逆,粹之至也。

>>20877545
tldr: live life like a boring NEET and no one can hurt you. No wonder chinks are such gay pussies.

>>20877584
How do you live?

is it the same as sunyata

Dao 道 can be iaido 居合道, also called iaijutsu (the technique) or 拔刀术 badaoshu in Chinese, battojutsu in Japanese.

It is the anime samurai thing where you quickdraw unsheathe your sword, bisect or decapitate the enemy in one slash, and resheathe your sword flawlessly afterwards.

Setsuka has it in Soul Calibur (see gif)

That is a Dao.

>>20877584
I already explained the meaning of Dao here
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>>20877331
No need to repeat things

>>20874935
dao shall suck on these nuts

>>20874935
Following the way of dao means letting things be themselves rather than seeking domination over things.

>>20877044
Buddhists have always seethed at Daoism. Daoism is an enigma and non-Dharmic.

The Buddhist suffers in samsara. The Daoist may "suffer", but does not act like a thoughtless beast and reject the negative. He ushers it in, another fascinating aspect of the Dao to meditate on. This is abhorrent to the Buddhist. It's a grave trivialization. The Daoist, in complete absence of Dharma, exhibits pure delusion and ignorance. And yet, they act as though they have a perspective higher than the gods themselves. Suffering is merely another sublime aspect of the dao. It is not that the barbs of samsara phase through these men, it is more that they violate fundamental rules, a total mockery of Dharma. Rather than be stuck and bled by these thorns of existence, they impart strange knowledge and delight. This is not supposed to happen. This is not the way things work. These interlopers scare me.

>>20877449
infinitesimal fraction of how some parts of the dao manifest

>>20874935
The Way, the Word, the Logic, the Logos, the Christ, Jesus Christ, the Son, the Trinity, God Almighty

>>20875012
No it fucking isn’t fuck off with this bullshit geunon fag/fr seraphim fag whatever you are

>>20877449
Tao is prior to yin yang retard. “Tao gives birth to one, one gives birth to two, two gives birth to three, three gives birth to all things.”

>>20878398
Kys, you are misleading people and spreading ignorance. This is just bad scholarship.

this is the tao you fucking pagans

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>>20876902
Believe it or not, Daoism is not some hippy-tier pseudo-philosophy, but an actual tradition with a long history and many different modes of practice and worldviews.

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>>20877044
Liu Xianxin said,"the Buddhists stressed the emptiness of all, discarding all; Daoists stressed the greatness of all, wanting all." Additionally, in the Zhuangzi people who practice the Dao include fisherman, and most shockingly, a butcher! This s stands in sharp contrast to Buddhism's narrow-minded and dogmatic "Right Livelihood," where butchers and hunters are reviled (and in some cases forced into low castes).

>>20874935
pusy juice

>>20874935
The real Dao is the friends we make along the way.

>>20875012
it is chinese for "road" or "path" you fucking retard

>>20879038
It's also the Chinese for "to speak/say" you absolute tranny.

>>20879055
it's literally not, there is no translation of dao that is "to speak or say" or "word", I am way more racist and based than you could ever be tradfag but I atleast get my scholarschip correct and am not a fad hopping tranny who converts to Christianity for the aesthetic. I've read my confucius unlike you.

>>20879079
>it's literally not, there is no translation of dao that is "to speak or say" or "word"
道可道非常道

>>20879089
there is no usage of the Classical Chinese words for "say" nor "word" in this sentence

>>20879102
>there is no usage of the Classical Chinese words for "say" nor "word" in this sentence
This is barely English.
Anyway, yes the second 道 in literally the first line of the Daodejing is frequently translated as say/speak. Hide the thread and go ack yourself immediately. It's over.

>>20874935
In a chinese xanxias it is most often referred to as heavenly law(s). Think of physical laws that govern the world, well the dao is sort of an additional set of laws that applies to world and people, they are sort of magical, metaphysical and even philosophical ideas or mechanisms allowed/enabled by heavens will/gods etc, often closely related to chinese traditional medicine, martials arts, and chinese spiritual practises and awakening. For example dao of sword is something beneficial to a warrior, a swordsman but I have never heard of dao of coins or money, because one is a spiritual swordsman ascending heavens and the other is a filthy merchant.

>>20879119
Give any translation ( preferably the ones used by most scholars like Legge or something of the sort) not made by the Christfag author who wrote Christ and the eternal Dao or some shit.
>This is barely English.
you obviously don't know how to read

>>20879148
道 means speak as well as path. That's why you've probably heard the first line translated as "the dao that can be spoken" as well as "trodden"

It's the reason why in Mencius
仲尼之徒無道桓、文之事者
is translated as
There were none of the disciples of Zhong Ni who SPOKE about the affairs of Huan and Wen.
and not
There were none of the disciples of Zhong Ni who PATH about the affairs of Huan and Wen

It's the reason why a modern commentary on the Daodejing can say of the first line:
道可道,非常道:用语言能够表达清楚的道,就不是永恒不变的道。

It's the reason why “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”is translated in Chinese bibles as 太初有道, 道與神同在,道就是神
Hence why Christians who want to coopt Taoism like to harp on the word.

>>20877422
>Piss and shit

The closest that pre-unification China came to good metaphysics. The bit about the words being separate from the meaning is also good. The rest of the pre-unification metaphysical work is just dualist and presentist confusion. Later, the xuanxue commentaries offer a few bright sparks here and there.

To conclude, here is an excerpt from the The Routledge History of Chinese Philosophy. The interpretation it speaks of wouldn't be possible if 道 couldn't be understood as speak!

>>20879217
I'm more concerned about the actual scholarly context of the translation, I realize it can mean "speak" but the appropriation of a daoist saying by Matteo Ricci because of his confucian utopianism is not as valid as a more modern translation of the same phrase, see:https://qr.ae/pvwd8O
for context. The idea that say is a literal translation from such a case is not only less common with more accurate/recent translations. For a better approach to the "literary" translation of Chinese into English see Pound or Legge. They do good at incorporating the literal translations and respect of Chinese idiosyncrasies while also into the greater tradition of English literature (Pound even in the style of the Elizabethans).

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>>20878348
You cunts are just cut that monkey beat youse up. Monkey had mastered the Dao btw before the Buddha palm piss incident.

>>20879246
too bad there are 90 interpretations of the same phrase and the one you refer to was done by a Jesuit not an actual chinese person.

>>20879262
Behold! The best Buddhist "refutation" of Daoism: fantastical stories! Also, be careful about violating Right Speech there.

>>20879217
Based Christians salvaging the worthless Chinese "philosophy" turning it into something decent

>>20877044
it‘s a based book
best part when the monkey pissed in a bowl in a daoist temple and the daoists drink the piss believing it‘s some holy water

>>20879620
Conveniently ignores the parts of history where Buddhists were parading around China with Buddha's supposedly magical finger bone (see Han Yu's Memorandum on a Bone of the Buddha).

>>20879586
14 year old chudjak

>>20877449
yo momma is dualistic
this is the dao