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>>20871742
Russell never readed Nietzsche.

>>20871742
Russel doesnt understand Nietzsche, he just reads himself into him.

>>20871742
His misreadings are genuinely more embarrassing than most of the /lit/ takes, except for maybe butters

>>20871742
I hate Russell so much. That is all.

>>20871742
Nietzsche doesn't like altruism based in mere obligation/duty, but he talks about friendship and love based in authentic sentiment as important. I doubt Nietzsche thought love/friendship were founded in fear?

Hasn't this motherfucker read Thus Spoke Zarathustra? The main character of the book is very literally this definition of a man who's "saint by nature" (although it is painted as a weakness to be overcame), so Nietzsche definitely was able to conceive a human like this.
Hell, the very Friedrich Nietzsche himself could arguably be considered a "saint by nature". His entire philosophy is about inspiring men to be life-affirming and seek their inner greatness, seek self-overcoming. He had no need at all to have written these works, he could have just lived his entire life as the last man, becoming an alcoholic hedonist due to his sickness or some shit and never give out his wisdom to anyone.

That entire quotation reads like some well-elaborated bait you could see on /lit/. Sad stuff to know that it's from a respected "philosopher".

>>20871742
Commie scumfuck say what

Russell was such a retard when it came to anything outside his extremely narrow focus

He looks like he's from a race of people that degenerated into turtles

>>20871742
I mean it literally sounds like he hasn't read Nietzsche

Russel is based but I'm pretty sure we can squarely disregard anyone whose interpretation of Nietzsche is "just stop projecting bro!"

>>20872664
>Russel is based
Ultra bugman. Logic only gets you so far if all the premises you work from are built on a corrupt anglo intuition.

>>20871742
>the lust for power, with which he endows his superman, is itself an outcome of fear.
No it isn't.

>>20871742
>It never occurred to Nietzsche that the lust for power
Yeah it's clear he didn't fucking read the man if that's what he thinks the will to power is. I won't even dignify this hack with an explanation. He's always rubbed me the wrong way, pretentious cunt.

>>20871748
>>20871752
>>20872363
Even if he bothered with Nietzsche, reading doesn't do much good with the Russel types because they've already been indoctrinated with an adamant set of beliefs and worldview which they project into everything they read, and that's the only basis on which they can judge it.
Popper is another example of this.

>>20871748
>readed

>>20871742
>Likewise, Mumford demonstrates at length that the sole conceivable and real finality of "technics'' is the augmentation of power. There is absolutely no other possibility. This brings us back to the problem of the means. Technology is the most powerful means and the greatest ensemble of means. And hence, the only problem of technology is that of the indefinite growth of means, corresponding to man's spirit of power. Nietzsche, exalting this will to power, limited himself to preparing the man predisposed to the technological universe! A tragic contradiction.

>>20872925
>limited himself to preparing the man predisposed to the technological universe
All the downsides of tech are the general traps of having power. If I don't need to work I get lazy etc.
We can't advance any kind of power beyond a certain plateau without overcoming this, technological power or any other.

>>20872925
Ellul was such a midwit.

>lust for power is based on fear
ah yes the eternal child of zion is at it again

>>20871742

>>20871742
>>20873508

>>20873508
based

>>20871742

>Lust for power

Imagine reducing WTP to this. Motherfucker needed to hang on for another decade or so and read some Deleuze.

>>20871742
neetcuck on suicide watch

Nietzsche actually addressed this point directly somewhere. I forget where. He said something like:

#The psychologists say the will-to-live is the greatest motivating force. That's obviously true. Man will risk himself just to feel his powers, to realize his potential and thereby become what he is.#

I think Nietzsche's position is pretty simple overall. He believed the seed of a higher being was lying dormant within man. The superman is simply the realization of this potential. He has no faith in his contemporaries, so he talks about the superman as a goal to work towards, i.e., an aim for future generations who are capable of taking up the challenge. He tried to clear the way for those that came after him. That's why he attacked the systems of values keeping the ubermensch contained in a state of decadent humanity.

The English cannot understand German philosophy. They can only understand systems based on formal rules. Everything else is nonsense to them. They are imperial minded. Germans, however, were once highly spiritual and thus welcoming to ideas of a higher nature that cannot be comprehended under preexisting systems. They always felt the higher being in themselves. The English never felt it.

>>20876103
>Germans, however, were once highly spiritual and thus welcoming to ideas of a higher nature that cannot be comprehended under preexisting systems. They always felt the higher being in themselves. The English never felt it.
This.

He's really isn't wrong. Nietzsche's work is that of a bitter, physically inferior man taking out his frustrations on the world. It's not a coincidence that bitter, physically inferior posters on imageboards enjoy their work so much. I guess reading bullshit about "affirming life" is a fine way to cope when you're barely even living.

>>20871742
Russell is so unbelievably based and the fact that he makes /lit/ seethe so much is absolutely glorious

>>20876103
>We don't have to make sense, just, like, listen and believe
Embarrassing

>>20876520
can we please stop with this insipid, nonsensical 'critique' which is far too common among the philistines and troglodytes who infect MY /lit/, pls

thank you, anon

>>20871742
Why does Nietzsche assblast people so hard they'll dig up any old musty criticism they can find and then spam quote their own post saying "BTFO LOL" or any other worn out phrase?

At least read Alasdair McIntyre or something, OP, give us something creative and new.

>>20876520
>He's really isn't wrong. Nietzsche's work is that of a bitter, physically inferior man taking out his frustrations on the world.
Anon, you do realize this critique is the deepest validation possible of Nietzsche's views, right?

Basically what you're saying is 'weak people ought not believe strength is better'. But is that not the deepest validation of the entire conception of master and slave morality? You've now completely assumed that views ARE based in people's physicality, and are therefore giving Nietzsche the deepest validation possible. You're throwing away truth, you're throwing away reason, you've just embraced Nietzsche by doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2TDgWt8Dc

This video also contains a good response to you.

>>20873508
>>20873511
this just highlights the ultimate christian hypocrisy, that of hypocrisy itself. it's so very christian to insist people must have things figured out, before they're able to point outwards and comment on the mistakes of others.

anyone who knows the absolute basics of psychology knows that people understand themselves least, and people are way more transparent to the people around them than they are to themselves.

everyone is a hypocrite, and so the charge of hypocrisy is always hypocritical. when you realize this and can forgive others of their hypocrisy, you can move on and live a healthier and fuller life.

>>20876553
This sort of 'critique' started with Nietzsche himself. It's a taste of his own medicine.

>>20876577
>You've now completely assumed that views ARE based in people's physicality, and are therefore giving Nietzsche the deepest validation possible.
Not at all. I think they're a potential source of biases but through reason and genuine critical thinking (not the sort of narrative spiining Nietzsche did) it's possible to overcome them and think beyond them, but that would be real overcoming rather than the kind of delusion that Nietzsche preached. An embittered, physically broken, and lazy thinker like Nietzsche would obviously produce the kind of works that he did, and it's not a surprise that people here who are just as weak, embittered and lazy as he was would invent some sort of spiritual kinship with him.

>>20876625
It's also not substantial or interesting. Go back to the drawing board.

>>20876637
You can't have a substantial critique of someone as shallow as Nietzsche.

>>20876635
Nice attempt, care to develop some coherent thoughts and try again?

You can throw out insults at Nietzsche all day, the difference between you and him is he actually has insights and uses insults to ends that are illuminating. The only insight I get from your posts is that you're an angry, small person.

>>20876641
Interesting. 'Shallow'. Nietzsche has been called many things, but rarely shallow.

Since you're such a deep and bottomless thinker, maybe you could point out a bit why Nietzsche's insights into the various Platonic dialogues he's referencing here are shallow? In fact, maybe you can even try to name the ones he's referencing. A deep thinker like you is very familiar with Plato, surely, so you should have no problem describing the shallowness.

>>20876613
cry harder gaytheist

>>20876644
>>20876654
Is Nietzsche actually a man? Is he not rather a disease? Everything he touches falls ill; he has made philosophy sick.

>>20876667
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876670
Nice try at copying Nietzsche's style. Im sure if you keep practicing you'll find a voice.

Got anything with substance?

>>20876671
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20871742
>It never occurred to Nietzsche that the lust for power, with which he endows his superman, is itself an outcome of fear.
And Russell didn't lust for power? He's the eternal Anglo.

>>20876683
And thus the anti-nietzsche poster reveals their true essence: not even a scarecrow, not even a paper cutout, their ability to stand intellectually passes by like a gust of wind.

>>20876685
Russell is projecting his own fear unto Nietzsche, who's ten times the man.

>In 1871, the German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche sent a birthday gift to Richard Wagner's wife, Cosima: a composition for piano, four hands. The music quoted the "Siegfried Idyll" and bore the rather Wagnerian title "Echoes of New Year's Eve, With Processional Song, Peasant Dance and the Pealing of Bells." When Cosima played the work with the conductor Hans Richter, Wagner fidgeted through the performance. Before it ended, he left the room. A guest found "the Master" lying on the floor, overcome with laughter.

>>20876686
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876691
Wagner was a midget. Midgetdom forbids you from Chaddom.

>>20876685
>>20876689
they were both cringe materialist bugmen

>>20876698
This is great. Full temper tantrum mode from an anon who is exposed as having no intellectual substance.

>>20876726
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876728
It's ok. BREATHE. You're feeling anger right now, embrace that, accept that. You'll get through it!

All metaphysics of sheer power are tainted by utilitarian nihilism. In a pure will to power schema, you are ontologically nude, as they are anti-essentialist, and the only benefit of power is that you become stronger. It's not good in itself, it's just the best you can hope for.

Never be fooled by the tough-guy talk. The underlying despair of nihilism is ever present, the will to power types are perpetually crying behind the mask.

>>20876733
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876733
>It's ok. BREATHE.

>>20876734
Nietzsche never expressed the will to power as an actual metaphysical underpinning for reality. He used it more as a thought experiment, to show that you can have a type of metaphysical monism in opposition to the forms or the thing-in-itself.

It only appears as a metaphysical reality in his notes to the Will to Power, which he had scrapped as an idea. Before his collapse he was already destroying WTP notes.

>>20876740
wtf is this image

>>20876747
The forgotten dark gods of Groyd and Ni, dread their union

>>20876734
>the will to power types are perpetually crying behind the mask.
It depends on who they are. The sickly decadent man is perhaps beyond help, and if so, he's likely to reject the will to power after he realizes how small and corrupt he is. Russell is one such man, that's why he's so Jewy. Jews rely on deception because they have too much neuroticism to be powerful.

>>20876751
>sickly decadent man
>small and corrupt
>neuroticism
describes neetcuck
>Jews rely on deception
and neetcuck praised them for it

>>20876754
>and neetcuck praised them for it
nietzsche praises the jews of antiquity when they were more warlike. christians were the sneaking deceptive bastards in comparison to jews.

>>20876760
no he considered yids the real master race for being able to deceive europeans and regarded it slave morality to complain about jewish power

>>20876754
>>20876760
All religions are for declining peoples.

>describes neetcuck
Nietzsche is sickly but honest. He gives love because he has an abundance of it his heart even though his body is sickly. Russell is a deceiver, he has nothing of value to give to anyone but other deceivers.

>>20876781
[citation needed]

>>20876786
>All religions are for declining peoples.
Uh, no? Nietzsche never says anything like this. He does say philosophy is for declining peoples, not religion.

>>20876760
He resented their creation of abrahamic slave morality, but respected their success in surviving as a people and culture despite continual persecution throughout history. Nietzsche, I suspect, would feel that hating them and their slave morality is missing the true battle: that is out-competing them ideologically and creating a culture that beats religious slave morality both in affirming life and actually surviving the trials of living in a hostile world in the way the Jews have.

>>20876801
>but respected their success in surviving as a people and culture despite continual persecution throughout history.
this is actually accurate,

>etruscans
wiped out
>cathaginians
wiped out
>goths
wiped out
>gauls
wiped out

rome was the grip reaper for mediterranean languages and cultures. the fact judaism survived out of it at all is a testament that it was a more resilient belief system.

>>20876654
How is that not shallow? None of the substantial aspects of Plato's works are even addressed or dealt with. Instead we get musings about life, about the way Socrates fit in with his life, and how his appearance affected his worldview. There's nothing of interest in here.
If anything, these passages show that Russell was better at engaging with Nietzsche than Nietzsche was with Plato, if only because Russel's response was limited by the shallowness of Nietzsche's writings..

>>20876791
>'Let no more Jews come in! And shut the doors, especially towards the East (also towards Austria!)' - thus commands the instinct of a people whose nature is still feeble and uncertain, so that it could be easily wiped out, easily extinguished, by a stronger race. But the Jews are without any doubt the strongest, most tenacious, and purest race now living in Europe.

>What we nowadays call a "nation" in Europe is essentially more a res facta [something made] than a res nata [something born] (indeed sometimes it looks confusingly like a res ficta et picta [something made up and unreal]- ), in any case something developing, young, easily adjusted, not yet a race, to say nothing of aere perennius [more enduring than bronze], as is the Jewish type. But these "nations" should be very wary of every hot-headed competition and enmity! That the Jews, if they wanted to - or if people were to force them, as the anti-Semites seem to want to do - could even now become predominant, in fact, quite literally gain mastery over Europe, is certain; that they are not working and planning for that is equally certain. Meanwhile by contrast they desire and wish - even with a certain insistence - to be absorbed into and assimilated by Europe. They thirst to be finally established somewhere or other, allowed, respected, and to bring to an end their nomadic life, to the "Wandering Jew." And people should pay full attention to this tendency and impulse (which in itself perhaps even expresses a moderating of Jewish instincts) and accommodate it. And for this, it might perhaps be useful and reasonable to expel the anti-Semitic ranters out of the country.

>We should comply with all caution, and selectively, more or less the way the English aristocracy does it. It's clear that the stronger and already firmly established type of the new Germanism could involve itself with them with the least objection, for example, the aristocratic officers from the Mark [of Brandenburg].12 It would be interesting in all sorts of ways to see whether the genius of gold and patience (and above all of some spirit and spirituality, which are seriously deficient in the people just referred to) could be added to and bred into the inherited art of commanding and obeying - in both of which the land mentioned above is nowadays a classic example. But at this point it's fitting that I break off my cheerful Germanomania [Deutschthümelei] and speech of celebration. For I'm already touching on something serious to me, on the "European problem," as I understand it, on the breeding of a new ruling caste for Europe.-

>I am equally out of patience with those newest speculators in idealism called anti-Semites, who parade as Christian-Aryan worthies and endeavor to stir up all the asinine elements of the nation by that cheapest of propaganda tricks, a moral attitude.

>>20876798
You haven't read Nietzsche.

>>20876813
>>goths
>wiped out
>>gauls
>wiped out
they were the ones that took over and partitioned rome

>>20876813
>the fact judaism survived out of it at all is a testament that it was a more resilient belief system.
It was the bigger lie.

>>20876817
You didn't answer the question.

>>20876821
>>20876829
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876821
I don't think YOU'VE read Nietzsche if you think he blanket criticizes religion this way. Try again.

>>20871742
>It never occurred to Nietzsche that the lust for power, with which he endows his superman, is itself an outcome of fear. Those who do not fear their neighbours see no necessity to tyrannize over them.
How does this even follow? It's incoherent.
This guy's take is not any more valuable than a random /lit/ anon.

>>20876831
Still feeling called out? It's OK anon, I'm actually enjoying how devastated you are by that post lmao

>>20876833
Read the Antichrist moron. He clearly states that religion is decadent. I've read all his major works.

>>20876845
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876818
ok, so this is what you said:

>no he considered yids the real master race for being able to deceive europeans and regarded it slave morality to complain about jewish power

there's nothing in here about jews being strong because they're able to 'deceive' or any such bullshit. he literally just says they're a tenacious, strong peoples, that europeans would benefit from. he doesn't say jews are the 'real master race', either. what he does do is call antisemites fucking retards, because they are

the quotes you grabbed do not support the statements you make. that's why everyone says people like you don't comprehend nietzsche. because you literally fucking don't grasp the stuff you try to read.

>>20876829
Which question? This one:
>
Since you're such a deep and bottomless thinker, maybe you could point out a bit why Nietzsche's insights into the various Platonic dialogues he's referencing here are shallow?
Because I explained that here:
>None of the substantial aspects of Plato's works are even addressed or dealt with. Instead we get musings about life, about the way Socrates fit in with his life, and how his appearance affected his worldview. There's nothing of interest in here.
He's engaging with Plato's texts in a very shallow way, making shallow claims about them, and dealing with the shallowest of philosophical questions he can. But the real treat is that you used a text in which man attacks a thinker appearance to claim that he isn't shallow. I'm sure you'll point out that I did the same in my attacks on Nietzsche, but as I said earlier, I don't think my attacks are deep because I think Nietzsche is too shallow to respond to with any real depth.

>>20876860
Are you done with your crying, little child?

>>20876846
Ok, The Antichrist. So cite me in that where he makes these comments

>>20876861
You're just repeating that it's shallow. You're not giving an explanation. Anon, you gotta try harder than that.

Have you even read Phaedo? Be honest.

>>20876862
I'm ready for you to keep being assblasted and posting the same reply 30 times because you know you don't have a genuine response.

NIETZSCHE CAUGHT SYPHILIS FROM A MALE BROTHEL AND WENT INSANE FUGGING A HORSE LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

>>20876861
Or did you want me to list out the references. If so I think that reflects poorly on you. I think only those fond of Nietzsche could making lists of trivia is better for discussion than actually dealing with criticism. It's a very shallow way to engage with philosophy.

>>20876867
I take it your answer is no then. Ok kid don't let your tear glands dry out too much.

>>20876869
You keep repeating the same thing and aren't making points with substance.

>>20876869
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876863
Go read it you lazy bum. If you had read it you'd already know.

>>20876878
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876877
You're hitting the wrong people with your replies, anon.

Anon, you need to go see a therapist. You're clearly not in touch with your emotions at all.. this frustrating, this anger.. learn how to process these things. Becuase they're getting in the way of an otherwise fun conversation

>>20876880
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876878
You see that's *weird* anon, because I just did a text search through it and found every instance of "religio-" appearing in the text, and NEVER does Nietzsche make a comment like that!

In fact, he's pretty clear through the whole thing that Buddhism and Christianity are degenerate forms of religion, a perversion of it!

It's ok though, you can admit you're wrong, you're safe around me.

>Salomé's mother took her to Rome when Salomé was 21. At a literary salon in the city, Salomé became acquainted with the author Paul Rée. Rée proposed to her, but she instead suggested that they live and study together as 'brother and sister' along with another man for company, and thereby establish an academic commune.

>Rée accepted the idea, and suggested that they be joined by his friend Friedrich Nietzsche. The two met Nietzsche in Rome in April 1882, and Nietzsche is believed to have instantly fallen in love with Salomé, as Rée had earlier done. Nietzsche asked Rée to propose marriage to Salomé on his behalf, which she rejected. She had been interested in Nietzsche as a friend, but not as a husband.

>Nietzsche nonetheless was content to join Rée and Salomé touring through Switzerland and Italy together, planning their commune. On 13 May, in Lucerne, when Nietzsche was alone with Salomé, he earnestly proposed marriage to her again, and she again rejected him. He was happy to continue with the plans for an academic commune.

>>20876879
He dismantles Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism in that book. Go read it, you need it.

>>20876886
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

Man, this thread REALLY exposes anti-Nietzsche posters. I knew they were all morons, but seeing the total inability to comprehend basic sentences or form even a slightly plausible argument is dumbfounding. These people truly are the untermensch of modernity

>>20876886
What possible religion is not decadent you idiot?

>>20876893
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876895
Uh.. the religion of Athens, including gods like.. Dionysus?

It's fucking sad you couldn't think of such an obvious answer to that question. You say you've read every major work by Nietzsche?

>>20876899
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876899
You mean a cult? That's not a religion.

>Man, this thread REALLY exposes anti-Nietzsche posters. I knew they were all morons, but seeing the total inability to comprehend basic sentences or form even a slightly plausible argument is dumbfounding. These people truly are the untermensch of modernity

Neither Nietzsche nor Hegel wrote anything transcendental, yet both have their team of defensive fanboys.

>>20876905
Lmao by every reasonable definitition of religion, the pantheon of gods including the cult of Dionysus are part of a religion.

It's sad how easily you all are exposed for your lack of understanding.

>>20876899
>>20876911
>Dionysus
semitic foreign god
haven't you read the bacchae?

>>20876912
The only god indigenous to Athens would be Athena, anon. Dionysus being from a foreign land doesn't cause any diminishment. Just admit you were wrong, it's okay to be wrong sometimes.

>>20876910
Yeah I really don't get it. Next to someone like Novalis they are a blip, a speck of dust

>>20876917
>Next to someone like Novalis they are a blip, a speck of dust
Stop trying to copy Nietzsche's style, you haven't the talent for writing.

>>20876916
all foreign semitic gods are to be expunged deal with it chud

>>20876911
Greek beliefs are a cult today and not a religion. A cult is anything that has very few followers. When I say that religion is degenerate I'm referring to Abrahamic religions and Buddhism. The major religions of today.

>>20876920
What are you on about, retard? You think Nietzsche holds a monopoly over similes?

>>20876924
In that case, I agree with you.

>>20876928
neetchud is the only author he reads so he thinks anything that sounds "fancy" must be imitating neetchud's incel diaries

>>20876928
Every hack, even his critics, gets a little 'inspired' after reading Nietzsche and try to copy his tone. You're just not good at it.

>>20876937
take your meds neetcel

>>20876899
It's funny you specify that, because I was going to say the cult of Dionysus is an example of a decadent polytheistic cult whereas other polytheistic cults could be examples of religions that were not decadent but traditional and fundamental to human experience.
I don't know why Nietzsche latched onto Dionysus, I guess I need to read him more.
The redeeming quality of Dionysus I can see is religious intoxication being a related concept to Óðr, which would make him the Greco-Roman cognate of Odin at least in that narrow aspect.
Otherwise the fact that Dionysus was a later addition to the pantheon, ousting Hestia of all gods, Hestia who is arguably the most fundamental god to the extent that what she is predates the Olympians, is to me evidence that the cult at that point as utterly decadent to the point in some cases of debauchery.

>>20876937
>gets a little 'inspired' after reading Nietzsche and try to copy his tone
Bro you haven't even gotten the basics of English down and you want to talk about someone else's tone? First look up what subject-verb agreement means before going around thinking you're hot shit.

>>20876965
It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.

>>20876965
kek gottem
>>20876971
take your meds neetcel

>>20876924
What about Hinduism? And in either case, what does the Nietzschean critique of Islam look like?

>>20876955
>Otherwise the fact that Dionysus was a later addition to the pantheon
He's documented in the Mycenean period and part of the oldest confirmed batch of Hellenic gods, and he's not foreign, whereas many other Greek gods with non-IE name roots are

>>20876965
Good job, you caught me. I suppose that makes up for you having zero valuable posts in this entire thread.

>>20877000
Are you done being an effeminate snarky redditor or are you gonna keep going until the thread reaches bump limit?

>>20877015
This will be my last post. You've confirmd that /lit/ is a shit-tier place to discuss Nietzsche and nobody here has anything of value to say.

>>20877019
See you tomorrow.

>>20871742
It am literally kept awake at night just knowing I can never punch this smelly little faggot in the face.

>>20876887
Why is everyone falling for this busted down bitch?

>>20871742
Why does Russell make /lit/lets seethe so much?

Why does /lit/ simp for Neetcheese?

>>20871742
Wouldn’t the cart problem be a litmus test for the good and fearful saint?

>>20871742
Nietzsche had a very simple explanation
>the only two base forces of life is a Will to Power and a primal Fear
>Fear can be described as a feeling of a lack of power
∴The Will to Power is the only base force of life

It's funny how the mindless slaves appear in greater numbers on this site during office hours.
And it's always the same people passionately defending their murderous globohomo anglokike overlords with no hint of reason.

>>20871742
>fear is… LE BAD
spoken like a person who has never cared about anything ever. be wary of people who dehumanize fear

>>20877980
The Nietzscheans in this thread have only demonstrated two things, that they aren't very good at reading and that they lack a sense of irony.

>>20872633
I mean like literally oh my goodess like what

>>20878140
You will never be capable.

>>20878157
Good, more empty assertions. At least you can be proud of how well you imitate your master.

>>20871742
copium and cringe, nietzsche makes all the bugmen seethe

>>20876555
>read MacIntyre
What did he have to say about this? I read After Virtue ages ago but I cant recall his position on Nietzsche

>>20876103
>>20876327
Nietzsche was polish

>>20871742
I feel like academia and common people seethe at Nietzsche so much because he offers a simple explanation which flushes 99,9% of pseud mental masturbation known as "pholosophy" and "literature" down the drain and this includes many people's idols

>>20876520
All these ad hominems and yet you still can't prove Nietzsche wrong

>>20876813
Romans didn't persecute judaism, and roman culture was heavily influenced by etruscans
Fucking moron

>>20878299
>you still can't prove Nietzsche wrong
nta but here lol

>>20876893
Anyone who dislikes nietzche does so out of spite, because he read something that hurt his feefees, unironically

>>20876924
Hellenism is an actual recognized religion and you can get married in a Hellenic temple, you fucking subhuman moron.
t. Greek

>>20877980
I applaud them because they genocide themselves and spare me the effort of having to gas them desu

>>20878314
>jesus was innocent
>AKSHUALLY judeochristianity is master morality!
Like clockwork, your ethnic group is being erased right now never to reappear again

>>20878356
>20877980
>It's funny how the mindless slaves appear in greater numbers on this site during office hours.
>And it's always the same people passionately defending their murderous globohomo anglo[juden] overlords with no hint of reason.
slave janny mad

>>20876644
Nietzsche read too many heroic epics and thought he could be badass like the characters in those stories. Then, after embarrassing himself over and over he started looking at the whole world as monstrous and started saying shit about how he hopes all the weak people die. Thank God Nietzsche didn't live in today's world of anime and superhero movies or he probably would have been a school shooter lol

>>20876654
>a deep thinker like you is obviously familiar with Plato

Are you an intellectual?

>>20878428
>all the weak people die
Why is that bad? You make it out like it is bad

>>20872664
>Russel is based
lmao

>>20871742
Neetsche is not a philosopher

>>20878175
You know it's true. You will never be slightly competent in anything. You will never contribute anything to anything. You will never say anything interesting.

>>20879063
"Anything" is a pretty broad term. Believe it or not, am competent in a number of things that are pretty unremarkable. The same is probably true for most people. I just don't need to delude myself into thinking that I can become some sort of superman in order to feel better about it.

>>20879063
Nice projection. Almost textbook tier.

>>20879063
"Anything" is a pretty broad term. Believe it or not, I am competent in a number of things that are pretty unremarkable. The same is probably true for most people. I just don't need to delude myself into thinking that I can become some sort of superman in order to feel better about it.

>>20879142
I can replace you like all anglos with a robot and there would be no difference. You will never be capable. You will never say anything interesting and it's unlikely you'll ever understand anything said to you unless it's repeating what you already decided is true.

>>20878448
Why isn't it bad, shitlips? Do I really have to explain to you why murdering people for no reason is a bad thing?

>>20879228
>Do I really have to explain to you why murdering people for no reason is a bad thing?
Yes.

>>20871742
Nothing of Russells philosophy stood the test of time, his contributions are a list of failures, he was just a nice progressive talking-head of his time.
Nietzsche at least had a great style, it works amazingly on impressionable edgy teens, most of them become lifelong admirers and will never admit that the substance rather lags behind the verbal fireworks.
Take the Hegel pill.

>>20879159
Can confirm this is true for anglos
t. have met anglos to my great displeasure

>>20879228
So no argument as to why it's bad? I accept your concession subhuman

>>20879269
>the substance rather lags behind the verbal fireworks.
Example?

Neetzuh was a literal incel. If you can’t get a grip on your own life, why the hell would I listen to your philosophy?

>>20879291
How about an argument as to why it's good? Got one of those?

Thats literally entirely speculation. How can you possibly claim to know the motivation behind every single persons behavior?

>>20876613
>anyone who knows the absolute basics of psychology knows that people understand themselves least, and people are way more transparent to the people around them than they are to themselves.
Psychology sounds retarded

>>20879313
>no u
Zero evidence that it is bad. There, negative proven. Can you provide any argument as to why it's bad? (Protip: it isn't)

>>20879313
>less people in the world
>weak people are usually stupid
>more resources and territory for the rest
want more?
your turn to prove its le bad

>>20879159
>more empty platitudes
I guess this is the quality of thought German philosophy inspires, isn't it?

>>20879269
>Nietzsche at least had a great style, it works amazingly on impressionable edgy teens, most of them become lifelong admirers and will never admit that the substance rather lags behind the verbal fireworks.
As I've become older and more jaded, I've really come to dislike his writing. At this point Russell comes off as a better writer at this point.

>>20879245
Are Nietzsche dickriders really so shut out from human experience that they don't understand why senseless murder is wrong? Do you feel absolutely nothing for other human beings? Are you so obsessed with power that you'd deny every charitable impulse within you out of fear that you'll be taken advantage of, or do you really feel nothing at seeing other human beings suffer needlessly? There is no "argument" I could give that could satisfy you - every chain of thought put forth would simply be warped to fit your preexisting ideas, or would be discarded altogether as me being resentful.

I could give you certain utilitarian arguments as to why wanton murder would create an unlivable society, but those would be based on your sense of self-preservation and wouldn't really strike at the heart of the matter. You ask for logical arguments, but I don't think you really believe in logic anymore than you believe in morality - both are founded on unprovable assertions from which the corollaries build upon. Certain parts of human life are self-evident and which we only know by being human, and your refusal to acknowledge them will not make you wise but drive you mad; just like your precious Nietzsche.

>>20879412
>WORDS WORDS WORDS
can you actually prove your morality is legitimate?
(protip if you're western it's automatically discarded)

>>20879375
You seem so sure of yourself, but I bet you'd quiver like a leaf if it ever came down to you doing the killing. But you'll sit comfortably in your home and advocate others doing the very thing you would never do yourself, coward.

Tell me, where does your knife end? Weak people are stupid and ought not exist. Okay. So who does deserve to exist, and who gets to decide such a thing? Should we kill anyone who underperforms as a human being, or just people you find obnoxious? Do you really know the true value of the people your calling for the deaths of? If so, how? What if one of those 'weak' people would have helped humanity (or even just one person) in future circumstances had they not been euthanized? Don't get me wrong, I'm just as much in favor of killing people I don't like as the next guy, but I just can't justify it to myself.

>>20871742
Why do atheists talk about saints lol

>>20879375
What good would lower population density and more resources be in a world where society is impossible because people won't stop murdering each other?

>>20879294
I mean the substance of his whole philosophy obviously, insofar as it is coherent. An example might be his dismissal of the concept of truth, which really only leads to indifferent relativism and cant support his 'life-affirmation', so he needs his celebratory tone all the more.
The concept of ubermensch is, even in the most charitable interpretation, very dubious. Why is it, if nothing is truly fundamental, that it's worthy of the ubermensch to produce great art? Because Nietzsche happens to like art, thats why. Others like killing and conquering more and will be perfectly justified by the same idea.
And the idea that society decays because it's not violent enough is really too ridiculous to discuss and could only have come from an insecure softie.

>>20879454
>WORDS WORDS WORDS
yikes my dude, have sex

>>20871742
Russell is a psued

>>20879515
>where society is impossible because people won't stop murdering each other?
Since when is killing the weak "murdering each other"? Take meds tranny, you are utterly morally bankrupt and can't justify the goodness of your morality without devolving into sophism

>>20879523
>his dismissal of the concept of truth
Source?
>And the idea that society decays because it's not violent enough
That doesn't sound wrong to me. Lots of comfort and sheltering are natural only to infants, if you want a society of infants that gets run over by adults then go ahead

>>20879441
Legitimate to who? You? I know that my morality doesn't include torturing innocent human beings for no reason; a standard even people in the fucking bronze age could figure out. But you've already decided to 'discard' what I say anyways so you're not worth talking to. Have fun in your bubble, or better yet, go tell someone you know that you have no qualms with killing people; I'm sure that'll go over real well.

>>20879579
dude have sex asap

>>20879549
>Source?
On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense is the most explicit one

>if you want a society of infants that gets run over by adults then go ahead
I wonder how many of those wonderful books a sickly philologist would have managed to write before being culled by stronk gigachads like, presumably, yourself

>>20876977
>>20878335
Hinduism is as bad as any, so is Islam. Hellenism is bullshit as well. All religion is cope, nothing more.

>>20879523
>Why is it, if nothing is truly fundamental, that it's worthy of the ubermensch to produce great art? Because Nietzsche happens to like art, thats why.
You don't understand nietzsche

>>20879526
Woah, using words /lit/? Who would ever do something like that?

>>20879591
I meant the excerpt

>I wonder how many of those wonderful books a sickly philologist would have managed to write before being culled by stronk gigachads like, presumably, yourself
This has nothing to do with "gigachads" though, just decadent societies who are overrun by others, as is happening now in multiple countries (the infantile ones)

>>20879587
I already had sex with your mom last night. Do me a favor and tell her I won't be visiting again.

>>20871742
>He has never conceived of the man who, with all the fearlessness and stubborn pride of the superman, nevertheless does not inflict pain because he has no wish to do so.
Did Russell imagine himself a fearless being without a desire to inflict pain? This clashes a bit with his involvement in international jewry's attempts to render the goyim a mass of historically/religiously/traditionally/ethnically disconnected slaves. Why would he advocate for the scientific destruction of national character via public "education" if he didn't wish to harm the subjects of the western powers?

All of these Club of Rome/Trilateral Commission/Mason/Kabbalah/etc types are filled to the brim with fear. The logical positivists and all of their offshoots were obviously nothing more than an attempt by the would-be rulers of the world to manufacture "intellectuals" whose only output was a stream of irrational justifications of the social engineering meant to weaken those to be molded into ideal servants. "Men are mere animals." "We have reduced all of existence to symbolic necessities." Bunch of midwit wankers with too much power to handle responsibly.

>>20871742
Bros, I don't think he ever read Nietzsche

>>20879549
Do you really think a ruling class of genocidal "Übermensch" wouldn't constantly be trying to kill each other the second they thought they could get something out of it and get away with it? Better question: do you seriously believe that YOU would be one of these "strong" people? Fucking lmao

>>20871742
where is this from?

>>20879700
>genocidal "Ubermensch"
Why would they be genocidal? You've read too many Slaine comics, touch grass
Not to mention you aren't responding to anything I wrote. Go to therapy if you want to seethe at random

>>20879717
>killing all of the "weak" people is good
>How are they genocidal?
Quit pulling my leg bro

>>20879750
The first post is here >>20878448
Nobody mentions killing all weak people, but rather the weak dying. And I asked you to prove that it is bad (you failed to do so), I didn't mention that it's good despite arguments in favor of its goodness exist.
Also not to mention how even killing the weak isn't genocide. Not only are you imagining dialogues that never happened but you also use fancy language to hide your moral bankruptcy and lack of arguments as to why your morality is in fact right and Nietzsche's wrong (in this case)

>>20879763
Perhaps I don't understand what your definition of "weak" is. Please describe to me who all of the "weak" people are supposed to be.

>>20879772
It's alright if you don't have any arguments, I won't put you in detention or anything
Go read Linkola if you think Nietzsche is "genocidal"

nietzsche was right about fat """people""" desu

>>20871742
Neetfags coping in this thread
>nooooooooo he just misread him.
>He just didn't understand him
>I bet he didn't even read every single book by Nietzsche twice
You fags sound ironically similar to those Christfags you complain so much about.

>>20879791
I'm just saying that if you think killing people for "being weak" or refusing care to people who would die without it is okay then you're the morally bankrupt one here. If you don't believe in morality at all then nothing I say could make any difference. I fail to see how denying treatment to a "weak" child with leukemia (not sure if you would consider that "weak" but you won't tell me so I'm assuming you do) could ever be a good thing. You're only justification is: "oh yeah well you can't prove that it isn't good, TRANNY!!!" Not sure why you feel the need to regurgitate every 4chan insult in the book though. I'm honestly impressed that you haven't told me to dilate yet - that must have taken some real self-control

>>20879837
Dangerously based

>>20879842
Imagine unironically thinking like this, get well soon (you won't)

>>20879840
Maybe I'm the one that misread but the differences in our interpretations does reveal a difference in how we fundamentally see the world and what intuitions guide us.
I read the walrus and got a feeling of everything being possible, that we really can move forward if we face our psychological issues.
This actual tyrant read the same words and saw something about how great tyranny is.

>>20879866
Bro nice argument bro you really got me. Only a complete doofus would feel empathy for a bedridden child. Truly you are Le Übermensch: you're insights into human nature are incredible and you of all people have the right to decide who ought to live or die. I kneel, truly.

>>20879842
We already euthanize the weakest, often after what many would argue is unnecessary prolonged suffering. We don't have clear philosophical guidelines or anything, often it's even done as informally as possible to sort of diffuse blame. All this confusion just prolongs the process and makes it unreliable, causing mistakes on both ends of the spectrum.
When an honest attempt is made at discussing weakness you just sperg out instead of even trying. You're what prolongs the confusion and spreads decay.

>>20871803
>>20871761
>>20871752
ha.. faggots detected

>>20871742
It's a shame that I only just saw this when the thread maybe about to close, but this is actually a brilliant observation that 'lesser men' just can't wrap their brains around; as evidenced above.

It genuinely does not dawn upon the weak man that the mad-eyed monster-man who they look up to as a kind of bully-boss, is himself a tremendously terrified and incapable man who resorts to censorship and violence out of fear because of his own terror. Or her own terror, as the dynamics of this sort of 'man' are far more feminine than masculine; acting in reaction to events rather than having spotted events in advance and already having dealt with them.

Moreover, being decent and charitable and merciful are long observed to be qualities of the strong; from the mere whim alone of the strong person to show kindness to the less capable. Whereas the weak man or woman values meanness and grasping and pettiness because it makes them feel powerful to abuse and crush down upon the less capable; being unable to perceive of power in any other manner - consequently they go through life making only enemies and suffer from poor logistics, as they inspire no loyalty.

>>20879952
Euthenizing someone who clearly isn't going to make it to avoid unnecessary suffering isn't a bad thing, obviously. I'm talking about letting someone die when they could recover because "muh resources" or whatever the fuck.

I asked what senior Übermensch's definition of "weak people" was to help clear the waters a bit and he passive aggressively refused to answer. If that's what you can "spreading decay" then idk what to tell you

>>20873508
this is beautiful

>>20877549
>Why does Russell make /lit/lets seethe so much?
He refutes Hitlerian-Chadism AND fake-religious types. He's gelded both of their testicles without even trying to, and from a position of sitting down in an english country cottage enjoying a pipe.

Worse,he makes them feel ashamed for secretly wanting to suck his cock after the gelding and not being able to because he's not into that.

>>20879840
You're sorely mistaken. The Neetch-NEETs are the Christcucks. At least, in my experience. Jesus and Ubermensch entertainment programs go together; to make the pitiful person feel like they're both powerful and holy.

>>20871742
Who the fuck is Russell?

>>20879914
>This actual tyrant read the same words and saw something about how great tyranny is.
The entirety of Genealogu of Morals is a worship of strength unconcerned with the fate of those more unfortunate. Castigating the latter as slave or christian morality.
Now it's fine if you agree with this position. Embrace it if you want to But don't deny it. It only comes off as intellectually dishonest. This position is undeniably one that celebrates tyranny and immoralism--which is to say tue celebration of what is typically considered morally wrong as good.

>>20876813
>goths wiped out
>goths take over Rome.
Retarded. Lets not talk about how Greece or Carthage or Egypt or any other empire that wiped out a bunch of ethnic groups. Lets talk about Rome being the ultimate evil because youre a seething kike.

>>20879979
>obviously
You don't give anyone else any leeway or generosity so why do you expect it?
We don't have good definitions of weak like my post pointed out but we do know it exists and do sometimes react to it by euthanasia. The observation is made that we do make these decisions, that this sort of thing is an inherent part of life and even a pretty important one. We already do all this but when it's pointed out dishonest people like you and Russell do everything you can to avoid actually discussing it.
I know not being weak is desirable so power is something to look up to and emulate not demonize. To demonize power and elevate weakness from a perspective of resenting the more powerful seems to be the underlying motivation and theme in all these supposed "criticisms".
If we had precise definitions for what is weak we would also have precise formulas to follow to be more powerful so any hint is appreciated.

I'm pretty sure knowledge is power and ignorance is weakness but I wouldn't suggest euthanizing everyone ignorant. On the other hand you also don't want to pretend it's something that should be supported like through government programs that actually reward it.
We can't be putting nets under all cliffs to catch everyone who is ignorant enough to run off a cliff.

>>20880070
You can't conceive of thinking, only "agreeing" or "disagreeing". I wonder if even Saint Boole did that, how recent this phenomena really is.
The raw force argument had to be contended with. Darwin demanded it and the demand has been dealt with pretty well, by evolutionary biologists not philosophers.

>>20879978
>It's a shame that I only just saw this when the thread maybe about to close, but this is actually a brilliant observation that 'lesser men' just can't wrap their brains around; as evidenced above.
It is cliched and also bullshit.

>>20880111
>You can't conceive of thinking, only "agreeing" or "disagreeing". I wonder if even Saint Boole did that, how recent this phenomena really is.
Exactly the kind of pretentious reply I expected. You're not an 1800s philosopher. No real response, just flowery self masturbation.
>The raw force argument had to be contended with.
Not familiar. Don't care.

>>20879978
read >>20873508 over and over again

>>20880159
>Not familiar. Don't care.
How can you pretend the previous line is some kind of strawman when you go straight to absolutely refusing to think about the subject you're supposedly critiquing?
How do you actually deal with the problems raised? Why should I care about the less fortunate? So far you appealed to moral indignation but don't try to address the issue. I have ideas that I think deal with it but that doesn't make the problem less real.

>>20880153
>>20880166
Well if you want to be technical about it it's probably child abuse or just lack of male role models that has you idolizing the demented barbarian with the sharp rock.

But, I mean, isn't it obvious to you how the type of men you're idolizing are the losers of history? The drooling barbarians, the repressed homosexuals in drag (i mean the nazis), the baddies, you know?
I really can't be bothered to write an essay about an angsty teenager I knew who would say to me what DH Lawrence says there, I mean, it's his rage at a father figure, I suppose. Angry that I found his comic book villain idols to be laughable and designed to be flawed, and him not realizing it and thinking those idols were truthful road maps to success.

>>20880168
>Why should I care about the less fortunate? So far you appealed to moral indignation but don't try to address the issue
And what issue is that?
I didn't say you should care about the less fortunate. I was replying to someone who was denying that Nietzsche celebrated tyranny or cruelty. There was no moral indignation in my post. I was not using the word 'tyranny' with any kind of loaded negative moral judgement, merely as a description of what Nietzsche argues for. Most would define a tyrant as someone who wields power without any regard for others, i.e eactly what Nietzsche likes.

>>20880153
>cliched

ed.
also, just because it's been phrased badly by idiots doesn't mean it's not truthful. I don't think it is all that cliched really, as our society still aggrandizes the retarded barbarian or criminal and looks up to him, or her, not wanting to admit that the 'highly desirable alpha' (according to media) is a drooling mental retard, whether he's a white german with tiny eyes or a disgusting black person.

Really the society has not yet realized that these barbarian types are the most dysgenic of all; acting from fear and terror and desparation, and would easily be captured or killed if they weren't protected by third parties. We might recall how the ubermenschen lost Berlin, for instance, or how the Jews lost their entire city-state to one drunken roman soldier. etc etc

>>20880238
>We might recall how the ubermenschen lost Berlin, for instance, or how the Jews lost their entire city-state to one drunken roman soldier. etc etc
Vikings are also a good example of this. Held up as cherished models of masculinity, but just petty robbers of the starving christian people who had been disarmed by their inbred kings who weren't intelligent enough to defend their own borders yet still insisted on taking tax money. The one time they were overpowered and tortured to death by the britons the vikings never shut up about how dishonorable it was for the britons to have done it to them.

Honestly, if your role models are this pathetic and under-achieving it's no wonder at all that your conception of masculinity begins with cumming in a woman and ends when she leaves with your child, handing you a standing order to sign for its maintenance.

>>20876813
Judaism survived as a religion but Hebrews as a race are long diluted, and what's left of them is now replaced by European converts pretending to be them.

>>20880084
I don't give any leeway? Nigga I'm not the one who's been calling people trannys and passive-aggressively telling them to get therapy the whole thread. Don't bitch to me about fucking "leeway" fucking lmao

>>20876813
>>etruscans
>wiped out
the fuck? they were the roman priest class for centuries in charge of divination and stuff.

>>20880274
>now replaced by European converts pretending to be them.
and they run the most cringe blackface dance shows i've ever fucking seen.

>>20879672
>The logical positivists
rofl did't you lose badly in a /rhet/ thread yesterday afternoon? i find it hard to imagine there's two people seething so much about 'logical positivism'.

>Did Russell imagine himself a fearless being without a desire to inflict pain? This clashes a bit with his involvement in international jewry's attempts to render the goyim a mass of historically/religiously/traditionally/ethnically disconnected slaves.
explain.

>ll of these Club of Rome/Trilateral Commission/Mason/Kabbalah/etc types are filled to the brim with fear.
yeah, explain this.

This strongly reminds me of Alx Jones holding up a copy of Huxleys Brave New World and not understanding it's against everything he's against, thinking it's a codebook on how to enslave all humans. As if humans need anything special to enslave them anyway, hell, even the hebrews managed to capture people and tie them up, and they were running around gushing from self-inflicted wounds to the penis as they did it.

>>20880274
>now replaced by European converts
genetic studies already disproved that years ago

Russell was and is the philosopher of reddit
Never post this fucking loser again

>>20880605
genetic studies lol, from who or what? According to history every single member of the Jewish upper echelon killed themselves apart from Josephus, so in order to determine a legitimate Jew we'd have to find Josephus grave and use him as comparison. Otherwise, you're just going around Israel pricking European immigrants and using their blood as the baseline.

Although if you want the purest sample you'd have to go to Aksum in Abyssinia and id you some blacks.

>>20880605
genetic studies lol, from who or what? According to history every single member of the Jewish upper echelon killed themselves apart from Josephus, so in order to determine a legitimate Jew we'd have to find Josephus grave and use him as comparison. Otherwise, you're just going around Israel pricking European immigrants and using their blood as the baseline (i.e. an obvious confirmation bias) to determine the 'jewishness' of other European immigrants.

Although if you want the purest sample you'd have to go to Aksum in Abyssinia and id you some blacks.

>>20880605
>>20880668
ed.
Although I will grant you that Josephus looks very much like Ben Shaprios phenotype, so maybe there is something to it.

>>20880623
filthy americans

>>20880218
>eactly what Nietzsche likes
Absolutely braindead and illiterate. Can't read or engage with anything. This is what I get for even slightly trying to help you instead of just calling you out for the subhuman agents of death and decay you are.
>>20880403
And another brainwashed anglo demonstrates he's completely incapable of any hint of thought. Get help from someone from a civilized country, learn how to think.

>>20880703
I have read the entirety of Beyond Good and Evil and Genealogy of Morals.
I don't know what you're getting so worked up about. So far all I've seen from you are juvenile insults.

>>20880720
>durr I read an entire book
I didn't say otherwise. I said you're a fucking retard.

>>20871742
>fear
Sounds like the proverbial guy who gets sexually rejected by a straight man and consoles himself with the notion that he was just "afraid" of trying something different. The pervert's syllogism.

>>20880218
Let me quote Nietzsche for you:

>The happiness of the individual in the state is subordinated to the common good: what does that mean? Not that minorities are used for the good of the majorities. Rather that the individuals are subordinated to the good of the supreme individuals, the good of the supreme specimens. The supreme individuals are creative men, be they the best in a moral sense or the best and most useful in some other sense, that is, the purest types and improves of mankind. The goal of the polity is not the existence of a state at all costs, but the possibility for the supreme specimen to live and work in it. This is also the foundation on which states come into being, although people have often had a wrong idea of who the supreme specimens were: often conquerors, etc., dynasts. If it is no longer possible to maintain the existence of a state in which the great individuals can live and work, a terrible state based on necessity and robbery comes into being: a state in which the strongest individuals take the place of the best.

Nietzsche's philosophy isn't just about power, dude.

>>20880075
That's not what I said you braindead antisemite retard faggot

>>20878308
>>20880430
Etruscan language no longer exists in any complete form, there is no longer any identifiable Etruscan people group. They were wiped out. Judaism still exists as a people group with its own language. Judaism was a hardier belief system then.

Too complex a thought for you?

>>20880872
Modern hebrew is a reconstructed lab language. Real hebrew practically ceased to be a spoken language way before Rome showed up.

>>20880886
Fair point, but it still stands that Jewish people still exist. Etruscans got 'bred out' of existence. It stopped being a distinct culture. Judaism did not.

>>20880892
As I already said european and north african jews as a people are descended from converts that gathered around jewish communities in the Roman empire. They're much less hebraic in blood than modern Tuscans are Etruscans.

>>20880902
that's true of pretty much everyone. the amount of ancestors you have grow exponentially for each generation. there's nobody whose blood is any way close to what it was 2000 years ago, particularly in the mediterranean where mixing of cultures was extremely common

>>20880904
You're much exaggerating the amout of people migrating around in the ancient world.
Jews are an exception as they originate from moving communities that, up to the early middle age, aggregated converts. That's why you have jews of all races. It's quite safe when you encounter a Tuscan to say he's mainly descended from Etruscans while I wouldn't make such a bet for an Ashkenazi or a Falasha.

>>20871742
>the lust for power is itself an outcome of fear
I really hate this retarded notion some people have that having a capacity for fear is bad.
Fear evolved as an emotion intelligent creatures is capable of for a reason. If you have no sense of fear that is a sign you are broken. Fear is just the capacity for foresight and predicting possible risks that may come your way

>>20880832
>Nietzsche's philosophy isn't just about power, dude.
I didn't say Nietzsche's philosophy is just about power, dude.

>>20880963
Surely you can see from the quote that Nietzsche does not simply like 'tyranny'.

>>20879978
lol whad a fag

>>20871742
>russell vs. nietzsche

>>20873508
>You are just… LE WRONG!
This has convinced me to never pick up a D.H. Lawrence book

>>20880821
so true

>>20871742
Anglo saxons are soulless subhumans. Always have been.

>>20871742
Isn't this faggot the son of a literal fucking Prime Minister? And he talks about "the lust for power" being band. Could he have SUCKED ON A HOMO PIPE LIKE A "MYSTERIOUS" MIDWIT WHO THINKS HE'S SMART AND LOOKS CONTEMPLATIVE if he had to work in a Bri'ish factory? Stupid fucking low IQ pseud nigger. No wonder his projects in foundational mathematics failed pathetically.

>>20871803
Russel is the peak of midwittery. It's the result of taking a reddit-tier ꜱoyboy and giving him absurd wealth, power and the freedom (and the free time) to read random books and develop into a complete pseud because that was the trend during that time. Take a look at how he sucks on that pipe, which was the symbol of "contemplation" and "muh high IQ" at that time. Suck on a pipe like a homo equals genius. Simple but effective. Pseuds prove their ability to contemplate by wrapping their dicksucking lips on a pipe.
Makes sense to me.
I wonder what this scrawny Bri'ish milquetoast pansy ass faggot would've been if it he hadn't been born in absurd wealth?

>>20876813
Your post is retarded and doesn't really take into account how cultures interact. to you, it would seem that martial prowess would simply make the opposing culture cease to exist because they were beaten in a fight? In that case, why was eastern Rome so Hellenised despite being under Roman occupation for centuries? You then bring up the Etruscans and Carthaginians as if the destruction of their states by Rome's hand has any obvious correlation to the death of their culture. That simply isn't true either; the Etruscans and their monarchy shaped Roman thought about the subject matter of kings and lavish wealth long after the kingdom's dissolution, not even speaking of the ways that the Etruscans shaped Roman culture as a part of Italy. The fact is that Rome was as much shaped by its competitors for Mediterranean supremacy as its competitors were shaped by them, and while Rome succeeded in besting them in military campaigns, there simply is no honest way of saying that they were culturally wiped out. Culture is a thing far more malleable than a state. Where the state shatters, the culture bends and morphs and changes. Rome as a state had to work with foreign cultures at a local level, because they simply were not capable of exerting control on a scale like that. And as a result, Rome changed. Do you think the Romans at the height of the Republic would even consider negotiating with the goths? Of course not, but they were under different circumstances; the culture had changed over a period of centuries into something different, partially because of the changing times, and partly because of its interactions with the various cultures inside and outside of the Mediterranean

>>20872755
It's the peak of midwit and the stuff you've mentioned can be explained by the way in which midwits operate. Mainly these two characteristics:
>seeking external approval in a group (wanting to become "something")
>wanting to increase status (wanting to be seen as "important")

>>20880987
Whatever word you'd like to use, it still stands that Nietzsche valorized power that exists on its own without reference to the "other".
Nietzcshe's entire body of work is a take down of Christian morality with it's focus on the weak and the poor.
I think most people would consider a tyrant someone who exerts power without restraint or due consideration to the needs of the many. Which fits Nietzsche's Ubermensch: someone who stands aloof above the crowd creating his own morality separate from and above the herd.

>>20873439
>NO NO NO STUPID GOY POWER IS BAD IT COMES FROM FEAR, JUST STAY WEAK, POWER IS EVIL, MONEY IS LE BAD
meanwhile:
>John Russell, Viscount Amberley, was a British politician and writer. He was the eldest son of John Russell, who twice served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, and father of the philosopher Bertrand Russell. Wikipedia
You know what, you stupid fuck? I'll end my "lust for power" when I'm the same position you were, stupid fucking shabbos goy loser. Stupid kiked nigger. It's easy to "not want power" when you're sitting on a pile of gold, stupid, retarded, silly monkey. Maybe I want a few million dollars too, so I can read instead of wageslaving for some retard?
>noooooo power is le evil, instead lust for love and faggotry!
Ok, I'll lust for a job at the warehouse. Stupid, fucking nigger.

>>20876686
>here's an analogy about winds bro pshhhhhhh you're nothing compared to me hhehehehe
pseud intellectualism

>>20876553
>ummm sweeety <passive aggressive remark>
has this board been infected by fucking redditors?
take some testosterone pills you sad, pathetic fuck

>>20878356
>>20878356
why even read books if all you can think and say about them is /pol/ shit about race, "judeochristians", kikes, goyim, niggers, women, etc?

>>20876577
>Anon, you
I wish you effeminate faggots would stop referring to other people as "anons". Dear anon. Yes, anon? Okay, anon. Stupid, effeminate, retarded, weak, low testosterone, estrogen bitch.

>>20876654
>>>20876670 >>20876817 >>20878442
>I'M AN INTELLECTUAL! YOU'RE NOT!
>OH YEAH, HERE'S A QUOTE
>OH YEAH?? HERE'S A SCREENSHOT CONTAINING A BUNCH OF TEXT
>OH YEAH? HERE'S A TEXT FILE WITH WORD WRAPPING DISABLED, GOOD LUCK READING THIS FAGGOT
>OH YEAH? HERE'S WHAT I'VE READ ON WIKIPEDIA
>OH YEAH? HERE'S ANOTHER QUOTE FROM THE GUY YOU DEFEND
>OH YEAH? YOUR GUY WAS A FAGGOT, A KEK AND A LOSER!
>WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU'RE A PSEUD, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
>YOU'RE THE PSEUD

>>20876742
>metaphysical monism
>thing-in-itself
you sound like a moron. God, I fucking hate midwits. Everything you do you ruin. People like you turn philosophy into a game of "smart people words". All you're doing is try to show people that you've heard of the ding an sich, of metaphysics, monism, etc. You're a retard.

There is absolutely nothing to gain from reading your posts.

>>20876754
and? do you think people who climb to power do so by not being deceptive? nietzsche was small and frustrated but he was not stupid

>>20876831
>>20876821
Can't midwits go to some kind of adult daycare? All they do is say shit so that they get external validation. They construct word salads by using "smart people words" (thing-in-itself, metaphysics, ontological, etc.), they turn every interaction into a battle over status. You're stupid, I'm smart, you haven't read this guy, you are bad, I am good!
Can't you fucking have a mature conversation? Calm down you estrogen ridden stupid bitch. Calm down, sit down and think before you type an estrogenic response.

>>20876887
Fucking lmao man, these pathetic """"""""""""intellectual"""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""men"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" had a swinger relationship with a mentally ill woman. I can't take these faggots seriously.
I haven't had sex in 10 years because I don't want my pristine penis to be defiled by filthy vaginal mucus. I will never be as pathetic as Nietzsche.

>>20877541

>>20876897
>It's OK to not reply, anon, if you have nothing to say.
did that anon break your mind? LMAO BUCK BROKEN
>>20876893
I kekkked so fucking hard at this post LMAOOOOOOOO

>>20876920
>you have not the talent of writing
>you haven't the talent of writing
who the fuck writes like that? Only retards contract "have not" when it's not followed by a verb.

>>20877015
>>20877000
>>20876965
I've been on 4chan since 2006 and this is one of the worst threads I've ever seen. If we could track down these 2 effeminate faggots and squeeze them with a giant machine we could extract tons of estrogen from them

>>20881365
Ok, you are right. I was wrong. So what?

>>20879837
What did he say?

>>20881466
>>20881481
>>20881495
>>20881521
You need therapy.

>>20881413
>>20881429
>>20881446
Goddamn, I'm just scrolling up and I'm finding out you're so mad about losing an argument you've posted 10+ late replies in this thread.

You're mentally ill dude. I can't believe you're STILL this mad. Like I said above, seek therapy. Nobody who's mentally well would post like this.

>>20881365
You're missing the point with this post. Again, Etruscans no longer exist. Jews do. I don't care what influence Etruscan culture may have had because it eventually died out as an independent feature of the world.

>>20880703
Nigga I could audibly hear the condescending sigh from your post. This is supposed to be a place to discuss ideas, not your ideological battleground. You aren't going to fucking die if you have to clarify your ideas. I'm not trying to kill you nigga God damn.

>>20881926
>um sweeeety *shakes finger like an old lady* you need therapy to become a nice man! here's a cookie
You need better insults, pussyman. You stink of estrogen.

>>20881934
Half of those posts are mine, and you didn't quote most of the posts I made ITT. Get a better brain, faggot. This is the last (You) that you'll get from me, because you're a sad, stupid, pathetic, pussified """"""""man""""""".

>>20880703
>>20881950
too much estrogen, raised by a single mom, etc. I could go on, but you'd have to pay me for the therapy lesson.

>>20871748
Neither does /lit/, what's your point.

>>20882011
>>20882016
>>20882019
There's only one brain-broken person in here spamming about estrogen, holy shit the psychological implications of this shit

Just go trans anon if you're so obsessed with estrogen, maybe you'll be happier idk

>>20883167
You're the first person ITT who talked about trannies. GTFO, you're embarrassing yourself with your fetish. And yeah, you have high estrogen levels. Maybe that's why you think about trannies?

>>20880872
>Etruscan language no longer exists in any complete form, there is no longer any identifiable Etruscan people group.
Very off topic I must insist to you that this is not true at all. I mentioned how the Etruscans carried along as a priest caste within the Roman societies for centuries, but if that doesn't demonstrate anything then you can easily look to the statues like the bronze Mars of Todi and notice how those people were/are ethnically identical to the Romans - they look exactly the same in their faces. And the language/script was no more "wiped out" than old arabic to new arabic, as Etruscan writing reads no different to Latin writing and the sounds are the same.

>Judaism still exists as a people group with its own language. Judaism was a hardier belief system then.
Sure, but we also know that the ancient hebrews script was phoenike in its origin; so did the jews "wipe them out" or something?

>Too complex a thought for you?
Not at all, but we all come from somewhere. It's not a matter of one lot being exterminated by the next, people blend over time naturally.

>>20880892
>Etruscans got 'bred out' of existence.
baka

You know the classical Pantheon-style Gods of the Ancient Romans, to the Ancient Romans, are far more Etruscan than they are Greek.

Apollo and Minerva are literally Etruscan words. I know I know people don't know this. But there is 'great difference' (or 'wiping out') in these kind of scenarios.

>>20880927
Yeah this is far more accurate I think.

> But there is 'great difference' (or 'wiping out') in these kind of scenarios.
i mean,
But there is *no* 'great difference' (or 'wiping out') in these kind of scenarios.

>>20882019
>I could go on, but you'd have to pay me for the therapy lesson.
I give change to homeless people all the time, consider that by karma i've already paid you, now go ahead and continue your assessment of this man, Dr Cheeseburger.

>>20881943
>Etruscans no longer exist. Jews do.
Well, if a German can proclaim to be a Levantine Old Testament Jew and must be taken seriously, then anybody can claim to be anything.

Again, if you're claiming that the OT Hebrews actually 'exist' today -that is: the descendants of the people of Jesus's own time then you're going to be looking to the Palestinians primarily, as the followers of Jesus and Paul were celibate and had no children. Or, as I said yesterday, you're going to be looking for Joephus who was the only one of the entire strata/caste who didn't commit suicide during Titus and Vespasian siege.

It's very specific actually as to be able to dismiss the claims of later converts as not being at all connected to the 'original lot', whilst the original lot themselves, there are equal arguments to be made, were Black Ethiopians who can claim the longest unbroken tradition of having a Hebrew Society tracing back to Solomon and Khartoum.

But we know the contemporary jew isn't legit anyway; many byzantine exodites to Germany were Byzantine, Armenian and Georgian Greeks who arrived after the fall of constantinople. Probably they would claim to be Jews as they found Catholicism to be disgusting, I don't know. But there is a very interesting language connection to the Georgians with Israel; Tel Avi, for instance, in Georgia.

Anyway, these are obviously not Levantine or Black people no matter which way you cut it.

>no matter which way you cut it.
>the penis
lol no pun intended

>>20880872
>>20881943
Catharge wouldve been a better example to go with.Since their diaspora kicked off the same way.

There your case makes more sense as to how Judaism persisted and the baby-killing worship of Ba'al Malek did not. ALTHOUGH SOME PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THAT THE TWO WERE VERY SIMILAR..... but i wont go there

>>20881185
Your three word response does not deserve what follows, nonetheless you were the only other reply who didn't see the error of their ways and stay silent.

It really is a matter of, for people who don't understand what Russel is talking about, of having inverted or been absent of a real grasp of what and how people who are leaders actually become leaders in the first place.

The DH Lawrence letter >>20873508 is very revealing of this lack of understanding, as I said this reads verbatim like the teenager who hasn't understood the "how and why" as well.

So let's say that you'e all coming from his point of view; you're angry with your proxy father figure (Russel in this case) who tells you that the Hitlers are faggots and weak men but you can't bring yourself to understand what it is that 'strength' is in the first place as you would also recognize the failings on and of the part of the Hitlers - and also why they were doomed from the very beginning to fail.

You can reread what I said yesterday evening about how the question of logistics as I think this is the clearest way to convey the practicality of this point or the point, rather, of why pleb demagogues are useless creatures;

1) the demagogue is already a slave of the mob, in order to gain their praise he has to say things to them that they wan to hear; to confirm their biases, and there is nothing truthful in this that will remedy any of their problems. The moment he or she stops confirming their biases they lynch him, so he's in a weak position and manipulated by them from the beginning.

2) His (or her) logistics depends entirely upon mobocracy and slavish followers who are deluded into thinking 'he' is powerful and 'not' that he is a slave; thus his inner group will not be functioning in reality and will cause problems as they go on because they are operating under their own imagination.

3) the necessity of repression or censorship to enable the demagogue and his peoples fantasies to persist constitutes in every step forwards several steps away from truth, as their perception is inverted. Thus as they claim successes they've in reality grossly undermined themselves.

I could go on, but the above 3 suffice to demonstrate how the Hitlerian Model is a predictable path to failure and self-defeat; largely because it relies upon flattering the pride of the mob and inventing scapegoats to blame their problems on as the problems which cause their suffering (themselves or their own societal flaws) are never remedied and are, contrarily, pretended to be great things, only compounding and fortifying those original flaws.

essay over. img. related.

>>20881379
are you describing nietszche? He spends lines saying he is not decadent, defending himself

>>20883367
that's for defending his persona as connected to his philosophy. The man behind the theory, the philosophy. If he had done that as a way to defend his status then it would've been a different thing.

>>20883367
>He spends lines saying he is not decadent, defending himself
A person who is not 'decadent' doesn't need to argue it, it's already evident. Sounds like Neetch was guilty.

>>20872755
can we hear your thesis about how Russel was a Bilderberger Agent working to enslave mankind as Aldous Huxley did? i'd love to see a case be presented, cos it would be much humor.

>>20871803
That’s LORD Russell to you, peasant

>>20878293
Academia and common bugmen LOVE Nietzsche, what are you talking about? Normalfags love to drop lines like ‘God is dead’ and support the sort of perspectivism and relativism that Nietzsche himself endorsed. Pedos and postmodernists like Foucault are some of the most cited people in academia today are were all Nietzschean

>>20871742
Yet another example of soulless and plain wrong anglo analytical philogarbage trying to disprove a continental chad and failing miserably. Russell is a complete fraud and honestly he should have stuck to math instead of mouthing his stupid ass opinions no one gives a shit about

>>20883463
>a continental chad
He's a lot like you, anon. He's a loser single man with an absurd mustache sitting in his childhood bedroom with a head full of jewish theology talking to himself about it, whilst believing himself to be the Ubermenschen Peak Human of all time.

I get it. No anglo analyticist could fail to get it either.

filfthy americans

>>20883458
>Academia and common bugmen LOVE Nietzsche, what are you talking about? Normalfags love to drop lines like ‘God is dead’ and support the sort of perspectivism and relativism that Nietzsche himself endorsed. Pedos and postmodernists like Foucault are some of the most cited people in academia today are were all Nietzschean
Exactly this.

Come on now Neetch-NEETs can you actually deal with this mans case? What is it that makes you all desire to be drunk on this old stale german beer..?

>>20883481
Haha you're batshit crazy man take your meds and fuck off

>>20883504
> take your meds and fuck off
go paint another bad painting of a church, ubermenchuk!

>>20883404
>A person who is not 'decadent' doesn't need to argue it, it's already evident. Sounds like Neetch was guilty.
>he who dealt it smelt it
typical normie logic
this is why politicians abuse people and then they never say sorry, because "sorry" or "it wasn't really like that" is a way to inculpate yourself when dealing with normies. If you never say sorry then you're innocent. Normie logic.

>>20879978
>his or her
>or her
gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay

>>20883608
I mention 'or her' because Women are the ones who behave and act like this more than Men. The notion of petty power games for personal self-aggrandizement being a feminine and not a masculine proclivity.

>gay gay gay
Yep, and all of your American cowboy role models are overt homosexuals as well. Well, apart from Clint Eastwood in Josie Wales.


>>20883575
>Normie logic.
Oh I didn't realize you weren't normal.

>. If you never say sorry then you're innocent.
a jumbled feminine proclivity.

>>20883608
I mention 'or her' because Women are the ones who behave and act like this more than Men. The notion of petty power games for personal self-aggrandizement (at the expense of the state and personal gains in the immediate present) being a feminine and not a masculine proclivity.

>gay gay gay
Yep, and all of your American cowboy role models are overt homosexuals as well. Well, apart from Clint Eastwood in Josie Wales.


>>20883575
>Normie logic.
Oh I didn't realize you weren't normal.

>. If you never say sorry then you're innocent.
a jumbled feminine proclivity.

ed. and where the fuck is your thesis?!?!

>>20871742
>lived his life in a peaceful, god-forsaken English hamlet surrounded by old farts, his peace of mind guaranteed by his majesty's armed forces and constables
>hurr u have nothing to fear durr
He knows nothing about struggle

>>20883701
homo normie

>>20883739
>im not a normie, imma special
see: >>20883481

you are so special, anon!

>>20883724
pure class envy

>in a germoid accent
I have STRUGGLED in the ze unemployment line for twelve yearssschhh, I do not blame my parents who gave me the birthes with no plan to support me, I do not blame ze KULTUR veeeeech enkoraged them to do zis, I do not blame ze prevvvviuz bad gubnerance on ze part of mein farter foorher and ze kolt unsinking mechanicoom soldat, NEIN, razzzer I blame DE JUDEN

pure class envy.

>>20883763
It's the fact that Russell didn't know how the world actually works. He saw two World Wars break out (of course, he was a pacifist), the Cold War, the twilight of the Empire and he still refused to acknowledge violence and fear as natural of life and struggle as necessary. And that's only because he was a coddled effeminate man from the British countryside with a secured chair at Cambridge. Nietzsche knows more about life than Russell could ever conceive

>>20883757
Normie insults are like tickles to me. Now fuck off!

>>20883790
I hate people like Russell. They're midwits, normies, NPCs. They not only have no shame for they ignorance, but they use it to hurt people.
>what? violence in the world? ummm sweeety, 90+ million men did NOT die in the world wars!!11!!1!!1 lalalala I can't hear you pee pee poo poo the world is a happy place *sucks on a pipe like a contemplative pseud homo** mmmnyes quite, rather, mnyeees m8

>>20883820
their*

does russell have any actual contributions to philosophy, apart from popularization?

>>20882019
I was raised by a single dad, actually. I could turn you into my little "Üntermensch" if you'd like ;)

>>20883701
>>20883757
Lmao dude idc what the fuck you wrote you are gay. Cowboys? How fucking old are you ahahahaha

>>20884035
>>20883811
come on, stop with this time wasting little americans. If you know you're wrong don't tell me you're sorry in indirect ways by making a fool of yourself.

the word
>normie (as a pejorative)
displays that you're mentally retarded and think your special needs are Ubermensch Skills; it's not an 'insult' to explain to you what you said about yourself. If it hurts you and you can't think of anything to do by loudly announce to the room that you find the remark to be laughable then youre still not able to refute anything said. Duh.

Thread is nearly hitting the limit of replies anyway, so way to go with the obvious TRS tactic. You're an uber troll! -_-

the reader may happen notice how feminine these replies actually are;
pretending to laugh off valid criticism
claiming not to read / pay attention to what was said
"i dont care!"
not engaging directly with a case
accusations of homosexuality against any man more intelligent than they are
accused of being normal (uncool?)
inversion of reality
grandoise universalisms ("they are the enemy and cause of everything!")
no argument made

babyish or ditzy highschool girl tier, whichever you prefer.. these are the american 'ubermensch' types

>>20883790
>It's the fact that Russell didn't know how the world actually works.
ok CNN, calling your assertion or Hitler-favoring biases a "fact" is highly convincing.

> struggle as necessary
how much do you need to struggle to collect n unemployment cheque, really? This is pure inversion; you claim to be engaged in 'struggle' but you're a manchild who's grown up in the most coddled society ever produced. You're exactly like Neetch in his apartment room with nothing better to do with his time and no businesses to manage, pretending to be all about the 'uber' whilst never having done any real work in his life whilst aggrandizing petty exploitaion "as business" and "powerful macho men" who run state budget deficits and parade around like harem girls, demanding loyalty.

You do realize this is patently laughable, yes?of course you don't..

..e vale

>>20884130
Yes, NORMALITY IS ABNORMAL AND BAD. It's not cool. Normies are losers here. WE have decided.

>>20871742
So to him wanting power and imposing your ideals wether they be nobel or not equals tyranny. What a fucking retard

>>20884166
I cannot imagine a greater thought-crime or case-advocacy of dygenicism against the Divine Godhood of the Human Race than to disparage 'it' as being abnormal.

Have you really thought about this?

>>20884268
humanity is evil, society is evil, all we're supposed to do is wageslave and reproduce, and if it had better eyes (psychic powers) than a bunch of normies gossiping about weirdos then yeah I'd probably be dead, executed Matrix style by one of those metal sentinel things. Normies are losers, normality is abnormal, normies are bad. I will never kill people, but normies will kill people because "broo we can't desert, we'd be cowards n shit, let's defend our country and be normal so that we get some pussy when we return home covered in medals"

>>20883349
The letter is an injunction against Russel's entire character not whatever OP posted.

>>20884130
>I can see what you are doing so I'm smart
>still fall for it anyway
gg no re

>>20884347
DH Lawrence says he'd prefer the nazis over Russel, so whatever it's the same angsty edgelord sentiment.

>>20884301
Well then the Hitlerian Type is the biggest "normie" in that sense, isn't it? This is kind a sophisticated point when you get right down to it; 'is' the herd animal kind of human 'actually' normal or majrity or not? Physiologically speaking, fo insance, we evolved hunting and building and taking in every drop of informationabout the world around us in order to excel within it to our benefit, whereas one could say that the docile form of humanity neither truly exists - perpetuated as a false reality by both religion and by consumer advertising - and could never exist, since when the human follows the docility path they do not succeed in any respect.

Myyyy point was that Neetch doesn't really represent that, he is only a schoolboys idealism 'of' that due to lack of experience in the broader world; he associates (well he doens't really but people who read him think and act as if he does) the hyper feminine kind of tamed masculinity as being superior (reading vice as if it were virtue) whilst looking down on the real examples of strong men who don't seek 'status in the eyes of others' yet possess a degree of status and respect because of their intelligence and good nature. One is patrician in the truest sense, the other is a power hungry paupers view of what he (or she) thinks 'power' is all about (being motivated in large part by criminal impulses to steal money and food).


I'm surprised you didn't realize that (the earlier essay) was a tacit condemnation of democratism with Hitler being the example of the most common type of elected official by the demented populace who are also led astray and to ruin from the same kind of error.

huff puff

end of essay part 2

>>20884417
>hurr hurr this mans beating me up and fucking me in the mouth hurr hurr, he fell for my bait

>>20884454
>>20884466
it would be so sweet for archival purposes if the thread ended here

/THREAD

>>20884466
gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay

>>20884549
don't taint the archive!

>>20884616

>>20883404
The other anon is wrong, let me give you a direct quote from Nietzsche so you can stop being so confused all the time

>>20880459
>This strongly reminds me of Alx Jones holding up a copy of Huxleys Brave New World and not understanding it's against everything he's against, thinking it's a codebook on how to enslave all humans.
I'm no Huxley expert, but are you absolutely certain he meant it as a warning? Seems a common MO of the "elite": broadcast your plans in the faces of the cattle-people and they won't even recognize the significance. No? After all, we're already living in a prison of pleasure (a la BNW). Free love allows people to get their little dopamine hits (at the expense of the strength of their families and communities) and pharmaceutical grade soma is distributed to take the edge off of the fact that things are getting less and less free/prosperous/legitimate.

>>20881393
take your meds man

>>20871742
Slave moralists view power as a tyrant
Master moralists view power as a savior

Slave moralists run from hell
Master moralists follow the light

Power is the means by which a goal can be achieved. Without power love is impossible, as we would lack the power to perceive each other. Phenomena is power, that is, the means by which we meet our ends, that is, each other.

Without power people cannot meet.
The slave moralist does not understand that you cannot love without will to power.
He mistakes "end" for "means", that is, interprets the will to power as an "end" rather than a "means", and will then assign competence as their pseudo value to euphemize it but that only results in power becoming the end (as power is the goal of competence) so they become their own projection of Nietzsche's work.

>>20884454
>DH Lawrence says he'd prefer the nazis over Russel
DH Lawrence fought in WW1 you illiterate nigger. It's always dumbfucks like you who write the longest passages.

>>20884454
>DH Lawrence says he'd prefer the nazis over Russel
DH Lawrence died in 1930 you illiterate nigger. It's always dumbfucks like you who write the longest passages.

>>20885070
Master moralism:
>The value of competence is power
>The value of power is love
Slave moralism
>the value of competence is love
>the value of power is power
Slave morality is a delusional self-destructive nightmare

>>20885114
>It's always dumbfucks like you who
Say things that don't make any fucking connection whatsoever to the topic.

>DH Lawrence fought in WW1
so did Hitler and most people alive at that time, and what..? Please, get some crack and a childrens magazine and stop wasting our time.

>>20884848
I'm just not going to read an essay titled "why i am so wise" that ends with "Lo" in the last passage. I will call you a faggot and tell you that Neetch is a faggot as well, and I will be plenty justified in doing so.

>>20884916
>Seems a common MO of the "elite": broadcast your plans in the faces of the cattle-people and they won't even recognize the significance. No?
No. Pure Jonestown.

I mean it's kind of a dry book by contrast to earlier dystopian predictions, like HG Wells, but you could argue the same for HG Wells or Orwel both under the same premise that they were secretly writing storybooks in order to give the 'ruling elite of plebs' some kind of map on how to go about harming their own society. It's a stupid argument originated from someone who obviously was stupid. Alex Jones in this specific case.

>>20885114
>you illiterate nigger
> you who write the longest passages

really the dissonance and projection is off the charts with this statement

I cannot call what you did here 'conversation' but rather something practiced in imitation of it.

>>20885139
>the nazis
oh he died and he didn't fight, ok thats what you meant, well in my country we call all Germans Nazis, so Lawrences point of ref. being WW1 or 2 doesn't make much difference. You'd know this already if you weren't drunk.

>>20885196
>I'm just not going to read an essay titled "why i am so wise" that ends with "Lo" in the last passage. I will call you a faggot and tell you that Neetch is a faggot as well, and I will be plenty justified in doing so.
So you're satisfied being a mediocre retard who never reads.

Thanks for making /lit/ a worse place