/lit/ - Literature

"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
The slogan 'Press On!' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
-Calvin Coolidge

>>20867329

Let's write like gentlemen.

had to throw out half my outline because it sucked
finished the rewrite yesterday.
i'll say one thing: it's a lot easier to revise an outline than to revise a draft

>>20867341
The original suggestion, >>20861298 , had a link to the e-book, but I didn't feel right putting that in the OP.
It's easy enough to find.

>>20867349
Yeah, that's because the draft doesn't exist. It's much harder to edit a draft that exists because then you have to edit instead of jerking yourself off endlessly with outline obsession.

>>20867346
I'm going to reactivate an old book I wrote but never finished.

I'm going to finish the first draft today. Just a little more bros. Just a little more. I'll be done in an hour!

>>20867329
I am spending too much time on AI-generated art-sites
it is just way too much fun
Am I the only one?

>>20867329
When I edit, I find myself adding to sentences instead of cutting them out and making them concise. Should I be worried?

>>20867396
What are you using?
Anything to add to the OP?
In my experience, they do such a bad job with faces, I wonder if they're deliberately gimped.

>>20867401
Nope. Some books need more elaboration

>>20867396
I have tried a few times. Wish I knew how some others tinker with ones to make actual faces.

>>20867329
Post your novel ideas. It's not like they're going anywhere.

>>20867511
novel where main character smokes crack and spends his day talking to lizards, stealing from stores, and harassing women. 900 pages.

>>20867511
You can comment on it. I'll stop spamming it now and work on chapter 4.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwjXTTfSaMnvKbn0uiDhm0aFVG3Fq9mExAS8R4KGB-c/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>20867511
I wrote up a short story prompt based on a story someone told me about an incident (involving a derailed chemical rail-car) that almost destroyed an entire town near me a few years ago but thankfully it did not ignite. I personally verified that it was true from other sources close to the scene. It was never publicized so if I wrote it a lot of people might not realize it actually happened.

>1,200 words into my novel.
I am becoming unstoppable.

>>20867535
my bro, keep it up

Anybody else have any problems with Gang Weed the Movie that I can fix while rewriting the dialogue in poetic verse?

>>20867538
Thank you Mr Golden Retriever, I will.

>>20867396
have you made anything that looks like a book cover?

>>20867402
to be honest: I am just going through the list in the OP
though, it is weird Deep dream generator isn't on the list

>>20867575
anything can be a cover, look at this
this is the cover for a book about an octopus becoming the world's most famous baker and nobody ever notices he's an octopus

>>20867584
Well, Deep Dream Generator can be on the list, if you give me a link to it.
t. OP
>octopus baker
Think Disney will make a movie about it called Octopusatouille?

>>20867623
>https://deepdreamgenerator.com/

I hate first sentences.
I hate first sentences
I hate first sentences.
I hate first sentences.
I hate first sentences.

How do you deal with the pressure? I've rewritten the opening to my last short story two dozen times and I'm still not happy with it.

>>20867657
Post it

>>20867657
Kys

>>20867657
Write 500 words a day, every day. No more pressure. If you write shit, you can change it later. Editing is much easier than writing from scratch.

How tenable would it be to self publish a "parody" novel set in a major franchise (Elder Scrolls in my case)? All original cast, completely ourside of a game story. I really like my book but skeptical how receptive the IP holder will be to it due to me being a rando and the themes of alcohol/drug dependence and implied sex.

I'm also fine just polishing it and putting it out for free, maybe try and start an email list for future projects. But it occurred to me that I could theoretically make something back for my time with a few renamed cities/setting details.

>>20867673
You put yourself into the niche of a niche of a niche franchise.
My guess is you’ll do 2 copies if you go by that metric

>>20867584
Isn't that just Octo-dad?

>>20867511
A special forces veteran's neighbor (little girl) shows up and says she needs help, bad men are coming for her. He says go to the police. She says they are the police.

Her father was an AI engineer who just finished his script for something called Project Basilisk and now the government is cleaning up loose ends.

The vet then has to John Wick his way to pulling the plug on it before the AI finishes deep learning.

I did it. I finished my last chapter. My novel about the two people's shifting religious perspectives is finished.
The first draft anyway. 128,420 words. I'm going to start editing next week. Feels pretty good, man.
For the time being I'm calling it what would be "The Path of Faith" in English.

>>20867724
How much more work do you figure you're going to do? I really look forward to it because I was the anon doing a similar faith story with similar inspirations (Milton, if I recall correctly). I personally am religious but a good part of the writing is evoking my reservations and fears about belief. Would love to read and review it when it's finished.

>>20867657
just take your best sentence and make it the first sentence

>>20867799
>How much more work
I don't honestly know, there's parts I haven't reread since there was still snow on the ground. I'm hoping to shave out unnecessary bits, to rewrite bad sentences, just do polishing. I'm pretty confident I won't need to do that for very long though and will be able to start offering it to publishers in September.
>I really look forward to it
I hate to disappoint you but I'm writing in Finnish so the odds of you ever getting to read it are not very good, even if it does get picked up it would need to gain enough interest to warrant a release in English and the odds are against that.
>I personally am religious
This makes me wish you COULD read and review it because I'm not and it would help to have someone from the other side to tell me if I'm getting it right when describing someone giving their life to Jesus and being reborn and all that.
My book runs a whole gamut of people with different views. The two protagonists start off as an atheist and a Christian Young Earth Creationist, but there's also a heavy drinker who is still a genuine believe, a Lutheran priest who only believes as part of the job and a woman who tries on different forms of spirituality like they were coats.
I'm not unhappy with how it turned out.
>Milton
I have a very Paradise Lost -inspired vision of Satan in one chapter.

So, let's say a new small press with a small budget likes your manuscript. No advance, OK royalties, but better reach than you do on your own because you hate social media. Their editor team seems competent, book covers so far are not complete shit. Do you take the offer or pass?

>>20867401
Some people ate underwriters and some are overwriters. Sounds like you're an underwriter. So long as your additions improve the book, keep at it. If you're just adding useless fluff, stop.

>>20867676
I know (am part of the) the target audience so pretty confident there is more built-in audience for this than most totally original fantasy writing. ES in particular has been in a decade long content drought but there is still a large online following but we're rehashing the same old lore/stories.

It's more the legal aspect I'm leary of.

>>20867974
I take it.

>>20867960
I cannot read Finnish but I wish you all the best.
If you stick around the general, I think I should have published mine early next year. There are a few different perspectives in mine:
>irreligious skeptic that joins religion A to justify his fear of religion B
>wife of aforementioned that was religion A joins religion B after impressions that A&B are one in the same
>pessimistic foil that dislikes both religion A and B but especially B
>wayward foil of religion A that joins B out of guilt
Religion A being various denominations of Christianity; Religion B is a new world religion with a culturally Christian variety in the setting.

>>20867974
Non-exclusive or I'd walk.

>>20867657
can't relate

>>20867673
You can write whatever you want, but don't expect to make money from selling it.
You can probably post it on AO3...they're all about fan-fiction.

>>20867521
This story would benefit from fantasy elements like magic and monsters. Just a regular boring medieval homosexual doesn't make it stand out.

killing others with magic would work so much better.

>Gardner gets banned
>thread is only mostly garbage instead of completely garbage
Every fucking time.

somebody recommended Artful Sentences a few threads back and it arrived today
very interesting book, and Virginia Tufte is apparently the wife of Edward Tufte whose books I've read

>>20868557
>and Virginia Tufte is apparently the wife of Edward Tufte whose books I've read

>>20867511
I have several in various stages of being outlined, but at the moment, I'm primarily working on two.
In the first one, a true messiah appears in our modern world. So although there's some controversy about whether he's real in the story, there's no question for the reader -- he's definitely the Messiah. The story is mostly how our crappy world would treat him. (Not surprisingly...badly.)
In the second one, a bunch of city people move out to the wilderness to "get away from it all", and not only find how difficult that is, but have to contend with an old man that lives nearby, one who has been on his own for decades and values his solitude. And as the calamities pile up, they begin to wonder whether Nature has it out for them, or whether the old man somehow has something to do with it.
The best part for me is, the same book serves as wonderful background/reference material for both...the Bible!
I'm presently reading the New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha, New Standard Revised Edition (2018), which was free on archive.org .

>>20868571

>>20868619
Second one sounds like a good thriller story. First one sounds good, too. When are they being written

>>20867511
Blind man gifted with prophetic dreams and visions leads a religious mission into unknown lands where they pillage and/or indoctrinate the native population. Written from the PoV of what are ostensibly the 'bad guys' of the universe.

>>20868648
Not when, but IF.

>>20868648
As soon as I can come up with enough ideas for them, that I become confident I can write them & get at least 60,000 words out of them.
So, for the time being...lots of research.
In service of the second one, I recently finished reading "American Gothic Fiction: An Introduction" by Allan Lloyd-Smith.
I first downloaded it from Z-Lib, but after finding it to be very informative, I bought a physical copy.

>>20867511
A Hero's Journey about a girl trying to destroy the dark lord, her stepmother.

>>20868678
Buzz off, demotivational failed-crab.

>>20868692
He hasn't even written the first paragraph yet.
>>20868682

>>20868711
I've written three short stories with the main character and some of the situations he encounters.
A total of ~3700 words between them.
You are simply projecting your own lack of productivity.

>>20868683
Daring.

>>20867511
My working title is "Liveleak". It's a postmodernist work about a sadist who's obsessed with torture and execution footage but too much of a coward and an autist to ever fulfill his fantasies. Think Mishima if instead of lifting he ate tendies and browsed /gif/ all day.
The "point" is meant to be that the disappearance of socially accepted ritualized violence has left a massive void that we don't know how to fill.
>>20867533
Kinda sounds like Delillo's White Noise

>>20868771
>ate tendies and browsed /gif/ all day
Well, at least you're writing what you know. That's a good place to start.
>socially accepted ritualized violence
I would assume watching footage of foreign wars would fill that void.

>>20868663
It's almost like a dirty-minded Exodus!
I was thinking of something vaguely similar...a hood rat has a drug-induced hallucination, where he thinks God is telling him to lead his people out of racist America to a place where they won't be oppressed (unfortunately for them, that turns out to be Liberia).
The local congresscritter doesn't want him to leave, for she fears losing her voting bloc, and does everything she can to stop him.
The calamities unleashed on America are the usual minority pathologies, e.g. crime, rioting, flash-mob looting, etc.
It almost writes itself!

Would you guys say >>20868348 is a good writer?

>>20868944
Yea. He’s the next F Gardner.

I'm writing a throwaway story with a plot I make up as I go and I'm 80k words deep and this has been the best writing experience of my life.

>>20867511
plucky group of dragon slayers in a world where such a profession is regarded much the same as roach extermination

any good books on English grammar?

>>20869077

>>20868011
>>20868043
Why?

>>20867511
i've got lots of ideas. great ones. i come up with 3 a day. 0 written so far.
i'll start tonight..

>>20869077
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/934983.A_Student_s_Introduction_to_English_Grammar

>>20868944
why are u bullying

>>20869084
>>20869098
thanks, bought both of them

>>20869084
I met F Gardner in a discord server before. I was kinda starstruck.

>>20867329
Does anyone here even read what others wrote?

can a compsci writelet become an editor?

>>20869135
yeah
>>20869139
sure, why not?

>>20869135
I'm pretty busy so I generally only read finished books. I've read 5 books from /wg/ so far.
>>20869139
I have a stem degree but also write. I've known lawyers and marketers and musicians that write. Don't believe in those "ngmi" pseuds that say you had to be born some way or chose some major by an arbitrary year. If you want to write or edit, you can.

>>20868987
Sounds like a gas.
Hope you let someone else see it some day!

What should I name my location? Lunar Storm or Lake of Nox?

>>20867681
Based SF vets tearing through zog

>>20869135
I’ve read Call of the Crocodile and Call of the Arcade. New /lit/. I mostly go on /v/.

>>20869530
*new to /lit/

>>20869418
Lunar Lake of the Noxious Storm

Bros I'm in full doomer mode about the gpt-4 text AI that's releasing by october. I don't know if you're aware but /ic/ was completely buck broken by the image AIs that released just this month too. I am running against the clock to publish my book before this new model releases, because according to the OpenAI pajeet people will be able to create entire chapters out of a few paragraphs (even going as far as choosing a writer's style). Places like Amazon and RoyalRoad are going to be flooded to the brim in a sea of AI trash, so do yourself a favor and speed up to publish whatever you have before this deadline

>>20869607
just wait for the lawsuit that says people don't own the copyright of their AI generated stories

>>20869607
Sounds exaggerated to me, I wouldn't worry about it. Krake was talking about writing AIs just last week and he didn't seem phased. I trust he knows what he's talking about.

>9300 word chapter finally done
Thank fuck that's over. Longest chapter in the book, but it contains an entire character arc and introduction to the most important relationship in the entire series.
Now if I could just write my weekly flash fiction and get active on social media, I could find a pubber for my book.

>>20869607
Not concerned. AI will never be able to write with feeling.

>>20869635
You can still use these stories commercially though. Look at how ruined the art market became when NFT dudes began selling infinite AI art thanks to OpenAI, Stable Diffusion and others granted them commercial rights

>>20869640
I'm flattered you think that anon, though I think I said there were some genres that would get destroyed. I brought up the bottom barrel litRPG stuff, but even moreso it's going to gut the romance industry.

It might get so bad that there aren't romance authors anymore. The books are already formulaic to a point that they can be written in a week, because the readers want the exact same plot beats rehashed with variations of professions. We're probably a year out from special order romance novels where you can describe yourself, pick your waifu, and get an entire book where the two of you fall in love and fuck.

But, that's more a statement of how bad the romance genre is than AI prowess.

>>20869687
"Commercial rights" is different from copyright—that's just those AI companies saying they won't sue people for using something THEY own, but honestly they probably will be sued for using copyrighted material in their training set anyway. Copyright is 90 years of government-enforced monopoly over an executed work.

>>20869748
Okay that makes sense. I did try out sudowrite to see what it could do and I don't know about gpt but from what I've seen word association programs aren't capable of the nuance that you typically see in litfic where the form is just as important as the story. I think I also said that if it ever does get sophisticated enough there'd still be cultural bias against stories written by AIs so it'd be a liability for self-pub and publishers to avoid getting exposed and then blackballed by readers that thought they were reading something authentic. I'm sure, as you suggested, that some kinds of books are just fine written by AI and readers won't care.

>>20869777
A good story is a cohesive piece of art that needs to be progressing the plot and character development smoothly. Things need to be set up and established before their ramifications become apparent and that's simply beyond the capacity of most authors as is

And if it's beyond the capacity of full time authors to do correctly, of course it's beyond the capacity of a silicon valley programmer to figure out, especially when censorship boards are breathing down their necks curating the training data and checking for wrongthink.

That's one way to keep hope about it at least. The industry is already at hyper saturation from the tens of thousands of self-pub books getting released on Amazon constantly. What's tens of thousands more from AI going to do?

If you’re whining about ai romance books, you’re ngmi you failure.

I once made this to describe (Most of) the cast of my story. It's exactly as strange as you'd think

>>20869827
Get better reading comprehension.

>>20869748
You forgot to add that the massive amount of self insert readers are the one reason why LitRPG powerfantasy became so inflated in the first place. Once they are the first to be drawn away to these hyperconsistent pick-your-adventure AI machines (NovelAI, AIdungeon etc are data-starved pocket models compared to GPT-4) we'll begin to see the cracks in the wall. Who can say what other genres it will set a foot in? These ITfags outright said their new AI will MAKE authors work together with it (and pay for tokens) if they want to pump content in the new standard speed.

>>20869828
please share an excerpt

i dont think we need gpt4 for litrpg

>>20869826
>curating the training data and checking for wrongthink.
If that's the case would that be a boon for transgressive fiction?

We need a separate general for lit rpg, anime writing, and any other writing based on some gay subset of reality beyond the normal sci-fi-fantasy subset of fiction.

>>20869860
There's no money in transgressive fiction and you know that. It's written for the sake of it, nothing else.

>>20869864
99% of the writing people post in this general is sci-fi/fantasy

>>20869843
The only thing that can actually be sped up, if I'm any benchmark, is editing. I'd pay good money for an AI that takes my manuscript and polishes it. No major changes, just an efficiency in words and style and all that. If I could get editing done in an afternoon, I'd publish a book every month. There's no amount of rough draft writing that could be done by an AI that would make me write faster.

>>20869867
Someone wrote a historical fiction.

>>20869882
I can think of three at least

>>20869876
Yes, that would be ideal, but I must say that the end goal these Silicon Valley AIs have is nothing about working as a tool to aid the writer, artist or musician. They intend to replace them entirely.

>>20869867
Of course. You think anyone here actually knows how to do proper research to tackle a historical fiction?
>>20869882
>>20869890
Who? Name the title.

>>20869894
Somehow I got the feeling Luddites are gonna make a bigger comeback.
>>20869900
I actually have four history books on a particular topic for a later project.

>>20869894
Like how factory robots replaced factory workers?

That's just not how automation works. What you're hearing is hype to get venture capitalists to shower them with money. You cannot program a machine to execute a task you don't understand.

Not to mention 99% of a successful book is marketing. As was mentioned earlier, readers aren't going to want an AI generated book.

>>20869894
AI has yet to replace humans anywhere.
It makes a decent go of it at first, then it fails catastrophically.
The recent disasters with automated car-driving are one example.
The failure of Zillow's home-buying/selling AI model is another one in recent memory.
These AI programmers talk a good game, but have no follow-through, because they're proceeding from a flawed view of intelligence and sentience.

Been checking the dialogue and plot of my game. Side quests, items, etc.
I've got something here but it's too risky. It either works and has good execution or it comes falling down.
I can give flavor to small interactions. It might not be enough, the big characters are hit and miss. Not lacking in uniqueness, the entire project is too unique for it's own good.

Disco Elysium, the name torments me. I can't stop thinking about that game, it's too good. It's Van Halen.

What grade would you give my work? Hoping to put out a flash fiction/weird horror book at sometime

>>20869961
Give up already you're not Robert Kurvitz. Not only you can't do it, you don't have the will to do it either. Just reply disco Elysium again because you lack even 1% of kurvitz vision and talent

>>20869956
Automation increases the work output for the work input. This ratio is why we are shitposting on the internet instead of fighting coyotes for the diseased elk we stoned to death. It's why there's like, a thousand farmers in all of America to feed hundreds of millions of people, because the work gets automated.

Programmers think they are the asymptote because they're stupid and arrogant. They always try to reduce the human element to 0 instead of close to 0, and that's why it fails.

Fun fact, automated trucks will actually be internet controlled trucks. The AI can handle freeway driving, but companies will hire drivers to sit in a simulated cockpit to handle the parking and city driving. It will cut their staff by 80% easily, but not by 100%

>>20869867
What about F Gardner? Doesn’t he exclusively write horror?

>>20869984
0. Or a "F"

Your grammar and sentence structure is all over the place. And I just read the first paragraph.

>>20869994
Faggot Gardner doesn’t post here you literal retard. That’s just one of the many forced memes shilled here.

It's Van Halen and here I am playing drums. I'm afraid of it's quality. To respect and acknowledge the titan of your medium is one thing. To fear even using the same alphabet because it was done way better over there is ridiculous. Decisions are being made, trying to get away from it. Organic as they were, the screen won't be as forgiving. Ideas call for comparison, examination, cross reference. A letter or mechanic will tie me to it, and failure, end me.

I read "Call of the Crocodile" and I was able to solve the "3 body problem."
And my monkey pox went away.

I am not Robert Kurvitz, that's to be expected. That I can accept.
I am not Pynchon, that's been made clear.
Most tragic of all, not within any sort of grace. To expect a miracle, it will not occur.

I am not brave. If I claim to be and act on it, I will be a disaster. Just a disaster. The Lesser high.

>>20869908
I have a friend that worked in a few AAA projects in the past as a concept artist and right now he's in an absolute depersonalization-inducing stage of despair because he keeps seeing AI-fabricated landscapes trending on artstation. After an extensive talk we had about it we came to the conclusion that entertainment is being streamlined as much as possible to the consumer thanks to these AIs. You don't need to learn or understand a task to have it autocompleted for you. You don't need to understand composition, fundamentals Iightning or basic geometry to have some futuristic highres city environment handed to you on a silver plate as long as you know basic grammar to type in "cuberpunk scenery".
But it goes deeper than this. As I said these AIs are only being given away as nuclear toys because these are some side avenues that they can profit from currently, however when you dig in this hole a lot of these autocompletion AIs are focusing their bleeding edge applications to areas of neurotechnology, like picrel, where AI could activate certain areas of the monkey's brain at will through drawing imagery specificallly for each neuron. It can also work with words but the monkey doesn't know how to read. It's worth noting that millions in stocks from OpenAI are owned by the same companies developing neurotechnology such as Synchron and Neuralink.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/ai-evolved-these-trippy-images-to-please-a-monkeys-neurons/588517/

>>20869867
Most scifi can stay, the problem really is lit rpg and anime books. It’s cringe beyond all belief. It really reminds me of Chris chan

>>20870042
>>20870042
I can only over correct. Turn the game idea inside out. Zero dialogue. Zero characters. Zero story. Zero text. A coward's way. No colors. No companions. No mechanics. Anything resembling the other game. No graphics. No code. No effort to be made.
Reach the purest stage of avoidance. Oubliette.

>>20870003
Stop fucking replying to Gardner posts you ape
The spam wouldn't be so bad without you adding 50 additional posts to them

>>20870058
"streamlined to the consumer"
He means he's admitted his job is bullshit and provides no end product value. He's a parasitic loss along the way that's getting cut out.

The end state economy will be dominated by medical, food (service), and entertainment. Sort of like modern america but with machines instead of 3rd worlders to do the labor.

As for the brain access, spooky shit, I don't know about that.

>>20870066
Very true. F. Gardner even self inserts as a character in his own books and one of them is a Pokémon knockoff. Look up Jigoku. It’s literally Pokémon.

>>20870073
It’s way too late, mate. F Gardner and Call of the Crocodile are indivisible from /lit./ He was the originator of trying to write a book and advertise it here, has the most books by a fuckin landslide and has been shilled the hardest and longest. I doubt the spam is ever going to end. Especially since Reddit and Goodreads are finding out about him now. Pic related. From the thread the other day. Call of the Crocodile has been shilled and spammed so hard by this board that it’s popping up as suggestions for popular books.

>>20870075
Expanding on this nanotechnology stuff, AI has the potential to induce predicted emotions and memories on you through neuron mapping and activation like it happened to the monkey (he remembered other monkeys from the wild and the doctors in different memory fragments). Though these images were deeply blurry, so that's where autocompletion AI links the bridge to make people be able to clearly see, read or listen to the most beautiful or horrible thing that their minds could imagine. This is some AGI level of bs though so don't expect any new research on it being publically available for years.

On a side note, I don't think anyone has explored this type of thing in fiction either. So here's an idea

>>20869994
I read one book by that turd, and it wasn't horror. It's billed as horror, but it's not. Horror utilizes elements of suspense, tension, uncertainty, and scenery dress to impart a sense of dread and fear. He legit doesn't do this as far as I can tell, so his writing comes off more like supernatural adventure. Nobody is ever going to be scared reading these books, not even a child. Even something like RL Stine is much scarier even though Franko uses more gory details

>>20870123
It's a more fascinating idea than reading the WEF playbook, that's for sure.

>>20869987
I have vision but as you can clearly see, I lack the talent.

>>20870138
Rec good horror books please

Seriously, I am not as good as Robert Kurvitz, what should I do?

>>20870058
Then he's one of many people that have found out, to their horror, that their jobs can be automated.
Think of how many bureaucrats have been eliminated by software systems such as SAP.
It seems like a lot less humans are needed these days.
Perhaps that's why the Powers That Be are trying to kill us off...starting with the stupidest among us.
Makes sense now, doesn't it?

>>20870260
Is this about the great reset?

>>20870200
I don't read horror too much, but Peter Straub is pretty good as far as I can tell.

>>20870123
>Expanding on this nanotechnology stuff, AI has the potential to induce predicted emotions and memories on you through neuron mapping
>On a side note, I don't think anyone has explored this type of thing in fiction either
This is part of my novel and I have read some of the science behind it but I don't explain it in the book because I try to play it off as feeling paranormal. The real crazy stuff does not come until all three phases of GNR revolution arrive, most likely in that order. We haven't even fully finished the Genetic and Nano revolutions and Robotics has a long long way to go. Current AI does not have the sophistication with parallel modes of thought, among other advantages, that the biological thinker has. AI today is better with memory and speed but that's just not enough to think the way people do. Decades ago the targeted 2050 for a singularity was way too generous. We might not see it reach maturity until next century if at all.

The short story I gave for &amp's next issue touches on how I think the G and N might get abused.

I'm extremely dependent on external validation. Having people read and critique my writing is almost always a horrible experience that makes me more bitter and defensive than I usually am.

>>20870271
No that’s ironically CotC. Not even kidding.

I know the general doesn't like me, but please. I need help for my game. I am not trying to be the next Disco Elysium. I want to make my movie instead.

If I could, actors would improvise their lines but this is not doable in games.
>>20870370
Same.

>>20870279
The WEF issued an statement saying AI would end around 74 million jobs by 2025, these people know more than us when it comes to their own agendas so I believe we are witnessing the sharp exponential rise of this technology compared to before. All patterns are being broken due to how much wealth corporations have ammassed to make these projects a reality. They are competing between themselves as if it was a smartphone market. Something like the current applications would be seen as a financial impossibility even for the biggest tech companies back in 2010. I'm not saying we are going to see man made horrors by 2028 or so, but the yearly jumps in progress being made are so groundbreaking that you might start to question yourself, even if for only a moment.

I believe these technological themes are great opportunity in the present to reinvent and pioneer new takes on them. None of this is strictly fiction anymore when all of its concepts can be based on an entirely contemporary analysis.

>>20870387
Disco Elysium is trying to be like a book, I want to be like a movie. It's another thing entirely.

The materials I am studying are TV/Movie scripts, sketches, improv, documentaries, mockumentaries. /wg/ am I going about this the wrong way?

>>20870404
>The WEF issued an statement saying AI would end around 74 million jobs by 2025
people need to stop believing the hype from ai startups.

>>20870260
God damn it anon, no that's not true. You don't need less humans, because humans provide the demand for the labor of other humans. As stupid jobs get automated, you're freeing up that human labor to do MORE. It's going to lead to prosperity, not genocide.

Of course, the prosperity will not be equally divided.

It's climate activists you gotta be worried about.

>>20870414
great games come from ludology not narratology

>>20870260
>It seems like a lot less humans are needed these days.
>unemployment at generational lows
>total comp for tech workers at all time highs
i'm sick of these goofy leftoid takes that are unhinged from reality. you think just now is the first time a labor saving device has been deployed to production? this board is too stupid, i can't go on posting here

>>20870433
I agree, but the genre I've picked for my project is one where dialogue either makes it a success or a flop.
I'm flirting with adding a timer to dialogue, you see. But I need that meat, the dialogue to be good.

I shouldn't be looking at Disco Elysium. I was wrong. I should be looking at Vampire the Masquerade, Deus Ex.

>>20870448
torment and numenera you insufferable dumbfuck

>>20870457
Torment? Yeah sure. But it shares too much with Disco Elysium. I shouldn'tbe inspired by it or I'll end up compared with the greatest game of the type, of our time.

>>20870108
Making Gardner famous like this is one of the funnier things I’ve seen happen here.

Fuck off Gardner.

>>20870387
You keep talking about your writing but you never post a fucking excerpt

>>20870424
>you're freeing up that human labor to do MORE
But they can't do more.
They're lazy and stupid.
Which is why they need to die.
Think of all the people that commit crimes for a living.
Think of all the welfare parasites.
Think of all the NEETs and hikikomori.
There's literally no place for them, and all they do is consume resources and leave a trail of destruction.
They must be culled. And the Powers That Be have already demonstrated they're willing to do that.

>>20870445
Allow me to clarify.
Humans are needed less when they're stupid, lazy, and/or criminal.
They can't even work menial jobs anymore, because automation is replacing those jobs.
>leftoid
Just trying to explain what the Powers That Be are up to.
I don't have to be a leftoid to notice what's going on.

Hope you niggers lifted some weights today, because your books aint going to carry you anywhere

>>20869845
It was more of a joke, you get what I'm saying?

>>20870582
I'll post it but please just tell me how to get better at dialogue and voices.

>>20870654
I lifted my own ass up a wall. Now go buy my book blackpill anon

I'm having more fun with my new project than I am looking for places to send my finished book for publication.

>>20870108
I still can’t fucking believe this has happened.

>>20870691
Which author are you?

>>20870687
As we have exhaustively explained before...that's not a simple question with a simple answer.
People pay tens of thousands of dollars to colleges to learn how to do that.
You're not going to get it for free here.
You remind me of the dumbasses who post questions to Stack Overflow like "How do I program in C++. Can you give me step by step instruction."
Now, please, don't respond to this by freaking out about how much of a loser you are and how much you hate life and all that crap, again.

>>20870687
We can't do that if you don't give us something to criticize

Is writing is rhyme/ near rhyme annoying for readers?

>>20869864
Anime writing belongs into /a/
Change my mind

>>20870911
write in poetic meter, not rhyme

>>20870916
Agreed, I cannot change your mind.

>>20870260
>Perhaps that's why the Powers That Be are trying to kill us off...starting with the stupidest among us.
I think you're seeing the picture upside down. Isn't Africa planned to triple in population by end end of the century? Either way, school janitors around here are definitely going to be employed for longer than copywriters

>>20870911
You had maligned? hook her gold? Angel bold? Angle mine? omg as an ESL i find this language extremely non-inclusive and offensive to read

>>20870947
>Africa tripling in population
How are they going to feed all those people?
Especially if the locust swarms come back.

>>20870916
Jigoku by F. Gardner. Google the plot summary to see what I mean.

Frank, Jesus Christ, if you're this desperate for clicks you can just hire Indians to do it for you. God Almighty, man.

>>20870962
Bro the dots... Connect the dots, the locusts and other insects will become a popular dish

>>20870961
???
Dude, I am an ESL fag—SEA monkey at that.

>>20870980
I hope you'll get used to eating bugs, because with the rising cost of living, droughts and new pests and diseases around every corner (which will also affect livestock and crops) you'll be happy if you can find anything to eat

On the positive side: I'm sure this will force us to progress with developing in-vitro meat and GMO

>>20870980
Do you read before you post?
Locusts are such a gigantic problem, they resort to insecticide and insect-killing fungus to hold them back.
Both practices render the locusts unsafe to eat.

>>20870911
It is O.K though I don't know how much time you spent on each line

>>20870973
This level of vanity (i.e. pride) is going to send you straight to Hell.

>>20871016
Just wash and eat them. Never went out on a camping trip before? Only ate mommy's food huh?

>>20870911
I like it.

>>20867511
When a talking cat tries to become a writer and get published, it starts a chain of events where other cats try to achieve their dreams they once thought impossible.

A group of characters parodying popular villains across fiction go on an adventure to rule the world. Along the way, they realize they're not as bad as they think they are.

Is there any point writing on paper when I'm on the pc most of the day? It takes so much more time and effort to fill my journal and write essays on paper these days than to simply open up word or notepad and start typing away at 100 wpm.

>>20869667
What's your book about?

>>20870821
That's just the way she goes

>>20871054
I keep a notebook by the bed and write in it if something comes over me when I've already turned off the computer.

>>20870872
>>20870858
Okay I'll post mundane NPC dialogue, I'll also explain it's just an obstacle quest ok? Don't laugh at me, fair?

>>20870961
Sorry, I see it now. A whole lot of misspellings.

I was strolling in autumn’s cold without an aim in mind. Then came a voice, firmly it told:

“Finally! You, I find!”

I turned around; saw locks of gold; in red strings, they were twined. Beneath them laid sights to behold: Green eyes; pink cheeks combined. White dress; brown boots stood on leaf mold. “An Angel!” sprang to mind. Shining, dazzling in breezing cold. So bright could turn men blind.

Was it I, the girl meant to hold, or one standing behind? I looked away from Marigold and saw nothing but pine. She got closer; paced on leaf mold; crunched leaves she left behind.

“Two years ago, you knocked me cold, breaking two legs combined!” she said surely; red lips unfolded. The Sun, her smile outshined. Like warm fire baring the cold. But chills, my heart, confined.

“I am sorry, but truth be told, wrong man, you had maligned. Never saw you, before this road; false crime, you had assigned!”

“Oh, no, no, no!” She shook her gold; her arched brows entwined. “I meant no harm, my friend of old! Meeting you is by divined! You may not care for this Cotswold, or I misspoke my line. But what you’ve done can’t be unsold: you saved this life of mine.

“Two years ago, I was teen old, a girl shy of ten-nine. I was selfish: lamb lost her fold; Devil’s wine, did I dine. Came one night in the city’s cold, at the end of my line, I stepped upon the last threshold; to death did I incline.

“But there you were, my angel bold. My death, you barred, declined! You reasoned me to grab ahold, yet still, this fool declined. I leaped for Hell, and fear took hold, mourned all I left behind.

“As I headed towards the mold, firm grips, my legs entwined. My two legs broke — felt pain untold. But Satan’s grips unbind’ed. You pulled me up with a stern scold, though your warm voice was kind. I was weakened, passed out ice-cold. But I felt peace of mind.

“When awoken, I was re-molded. — You weren’t there, angel mine. So now we meet again in cold — may I thank you, my friend of old?”

>>20870253
you dont understand your ‘readers’ and cant even get a bite in a 4chan thread.
start with that.

>POV: You've just retconned certain events during a prequel chapter because it was too boring otherwise and have little intention of fixing that mistake on older chapters because you believe it'll grant an aura of mysticism even though deep down inside you know the average reader isn't a blubbering idiot who can/will pick apart your inaccuracies
Haha no no couldn't be me, no sir, not me- not me at all.

>write a book
>give up half way
>write a second book
>turns into a prequel

hmm

>>20871393
Are you me?

>>20871183
ok, post it

>>20871225
what are you trying to do with this? do you want criticism? is this all of it?

>>20871423
>what are you trying to do with this?
Nothing. I just want to know if people like rhyming prose or not. It’s just something I wrote for le reddit a while back.

What is the best alternative for MS Word?

>>20871452
Google Docs.

Still too rusted from editing.
Only managed 800 words.
Tomorrow i will do bretter.

Editing is a hard work isn't it?

>>20871473
of course

>>20870911
It's too singsong and cutesy.

>>20871431
i think it's awful, but we can blame the genre.

>I turned away and shut my eyes in a combination of shock and pity. He was a sad sight, lain out on the ground and barely breathing. Covered in more injuries than ever before, it was all too clear that he was broken. What was the cost of his victory? I began to count the wounds on him to find out
>14 bruised areas, primarily on his limbs. 27 cuts, regular to deep, on all parts of his body. 4 bite marks, 2 on his shoulders. 3 burn marks on his chest, face, and hand. One compound fracture on his fist. 2 fractured ribs
>His body was normally able to repair itself rapidly, but these wounds looked like they had been there for hours, with the only signs of repair being a lack of severe bleeding.
>My only legacy in this world… He would not last much longer
It’s shit, I know

>I turned away and shut my eyes
>I began to count the wounds on him to find out
>27 cuts, regular to deep..
is the character supposed to be capable of so precisely eyeing the damage?

>>20871591
That doesn't sound too precise, if he's specifically counting of course he'd get the right number.

>>20871581
>>20871591
i guess i'll get hyper critical
>shock and pity
>sad sight
>clear that he was broken
this leadup somewhat infers that he is broken mentally
also being 'shocked', but equating victory to a cost (in damage), before calmy assessing the damage to such an extent-- the equating is nice, but 'cost of victory' is a cliche that may not work here.
also, the visual description of his body could benefit from some sort of simile
>>20871598
when sharing work for criticism don't bother defending it, just ask yourself why the reader is asking this question.
anyway, you couldn't easily count cuts like these through blood. you couldn't easily move the body around to check. you'd have to get right up, lift, pull, twist, wipe blood away. and being able to clearly list these injuries implies the character has some ungodly analytical ability-- especially after just being shocked.

>>20871610
>when sharing work for criticism don't bother defending it, just ask yourself why the reader is asking this question.
I'm not the writer though

>>20871626
are you 'a' writer? because you still made that mistake on his behalf.

>>20867511
A man wanders around a spooky seaside town trying to get to the library but is constantly being waylaid by various mishaps and odd townsfolk.

>>20871643
Okay, you sound like an asshole and I hope you stub your toe because you're absolutely insufferable.

If I can make an epic fantasy novel with an unlikable female protagonist somehow work that makes me one of the greatest writers ever made

>originally intended to make a tight, 350-400 page fantasy novel
>up to nearly 200 now
>not even halfway through the intended story
>haven't even sacrificed space for the illustrations yet

do i publish a possibly 500-600 page epic fantasy for my first book like some sort of sperg or do i find a place to split it in half and then release a two-parter like some sort of jew

>>20871648
good luck with that attitude

>>20871709
Anon, there is absolutely zero possibility that you have 200 let alone 600 pages of interesting things to say.

>>20871718
you sound unbelievably asshurt and jealous about not actually writing anything

>>20871610
>just ask yourself why the reader is asking this question
Probably because of autism

>>20871735
Do not assume. If a reader is being a critical, it's only professional to answer them honestly. Do NOT defend your work. If it's being attacked, there is a REASON for it. You're making a mistake if you don't accept all criticism. You are blind to your own mistakes.
Good luck with that attitude.

>>20871655
Unlikable in what way?

>>20871725
You're coping.

>>20871709
How many words? Will you rewrite it to a second or third draft afterward?

>>20871743
like Scarlet O'Hara

>>20871754
i'm currently at 90,430 words according to my swanky torrented copy of microsoft word processor 2010, 178 pages. i don't know anything about publishing so i assume it's almost 1:1

>>20871749
i think you're the one coping here

>>20871812
>>20871754
oh yea and i'm gonna do rewrites when i finish up, just not sure how much that will trim with each iteration of edits or how much i'd actually want to completely cut

>>20871431
People who want poetry, want poetry. People who want normal prose,want normal prose. There's no audience for a weird hybrid.

>>20871473
I actually enjoy line editing. It's when I have to rip apart and rearrange scenes that it gets discouraging.

>>20871054
I use a notepad when I'm at my work computer. I don't work from home, I actually have to commute (20 minutes which isnt so bad) and physically do things most days. But anyways a notebook is like catching lightning in a bottle. So many of my ideas came when I least expected them.

I need a reality check because I'm too embarrassed to make people I know in real life read the sci-fi stuff I write for fun, please let me know if this is readable.

May 2099, Saturn had been blown up by who knows what, the gas formerly making up its rings dispersed somewhere, its memory mostly contained in pictures taken by space telescopes.
Black frame, black to brown gradient lenses, RayBan RB3548 in 51mm size, or L according to the catalog I could find shortly after stealing them, and looking at the sun was just a treat, not lastly because it would only be visible for some 50 minutes a day from the mountain where I'd been living for the past two or so years.
I didn't know what was going on in the more "structured" world, where the price of a KWh of electricity was a concern for a rising number of people each bimesterer and standing less than 90cm far from anyone other than members of your immediate family or romantic partners was considered an outrageous lack of respect by anyone under 30, or just a conspicuously flippant gesture by people between 30 and 40.
I hardly cared.
One thing among what I cared about was the state of my number 1 favorite theater in the world; the rest was elsewhere in space and time: the there and then, to be more specific.
Thanks to the magic of shortwave radio technology and that of tax relief schemes for businesses employing more than 15 people, the marriage of which made up a special kind of magic in its own right, a broadband connection measuring 1GBit in both directions was available everywhere a ray of sun could reach, and if you had a clear view of the sky a 20GBit connection was effectively your God given right.
Not to say that anyone could see the sun or business employing 15 people or less much more than they could see God.
It was sometime during the morning; the dew had not yet evaporated from the overgrown leaves projecting shadows over my bed whenever the sun would rise above the peak of the Nevado Sajama standing some 20 kilometers to the East-North-East of my hut, but much had fallen down from them, so it was still too early to step outside without shoes, but not early enough not to be thinking about a light meal and the complaints I would have heard from my colleague if she hadn't found breakfast at arm's length right as she'd woken up.

>>20870934
>>20871524
>>20871552
>>20872262
Okay, so that's a no on the rhyme. But poetic meter is way harder though, since I can't just abuse rhymezone anymore... not that I should have in the first place.

>>20870008
It's not a competition, my nigger. Disco Elysium is the best Disco Elysium. You'll produce cheap copycats unless you stop jerking off with it. Acknowledge your references and try honoring them instead of copying them.

>>20870370
I've had some anons lash out at me a few times and while I don't know if that's you and I'm not gonna apologize either way I will say you need to relax and just write. I want you to write your book because I do value the perspectives here.
Try to grow your competency in various aspects of writing and do not evaluate yourself compared to others (sales, talent, etc), or what your writing is like on first draft. I personally underwrite so much on my first drafts that I don't bother talking to beta readers until a 3rd one because otherwise it's schizobabble.

>>20867657
Put it on the back burner and let it simmer. Ot maybe turn the burner entirely off. Fuggedaboudit. Do something entirely ENTIRELY different than your usual. It's like love. Never happens when you're looking. Stop caring thinking ruminating about it and it will come when you least expect it.

>>20872298
Too much description and details. I'm bored almost from the start. Admittedly not a sci fi fan but one thing I do know is that DIALOGUE captures and sustains attention and actually tells the story faster than description. This is true even if your turn the description into thoughts. Show, don't TELL.

Is it just me, or do most Anons here prefer first-person narration? Why?

>>20872398
I see, thank you.

>>20867657
I am God in front of the white page since I don't do this for a living, and as God nobody could judge me but myself, so I don't feel much pressure at all.
Plus, I can always change it later if I decide that something else will make more sense, so again, I don't see any reason for it to be a concern.

>>20872416
mostly all I write is self insert shit, the protagonist being basically myself but with a bigger dick and more luck with women, if I wrote in third person I wouldn't be able to self insert quite as much
this creates other issues, such as it being difficult to write undesirable characteristics into my character, but alas, we can't have eveything

>>20872416
more immersive. i'd argue it'd always be ideal if your story doesn't need parallel plots, characters and scenes, etc. that being said, my favorite series happen to be third person.

>>20872428
Don't be disheartened. Fundamentally you have a story to tell and there are a lot of good details just too much too many too soon. Like I said think dialogue and character development. remove unessential details or save for later, Remember to re-read/review your work as though you are not THE writer, but A reader. Ask yourself what it needs, how better to draw the reader in. Maybe begin with the colleague expecting breakfast.

>>20872298
The first issue I have is that it lacks anything really concrete to ground the reader. We only know that Saturn has been bombed and that there's maybe some alien threat (possibly) the rest of it just meanders in such a way that I was lost by the end. What is the premise of this story?

It’s hard to not slip into third-person “omniscient” instead of writing in “limited” POV. — Why not embrace the far superior and freeing narrator? Because most of us listen to the same writing advice from E-celebs instead of reading the books OP suggested. Same reason we write dialog tags with “he said” instead of “said he.” It’s not because we prefer it, but because that’s what the talking heads on screen told us to do. In other words — Autism — plain and simple.

>>20871032
ever heard of The Life and Opinions of the Tomcat Murr?

>>20872530
>said he
Jesus Christ how unnatural, is this Yoda narrating?

>>20872525
>what's the premise
That doesn't appear in the snippet.
What I meant to do when writing it was lay down some context and setting for the story - a brief description of the time, place, and state of the civilized world, so to speak.
Thanks to some clues you also learn a bit about the protagonist's moral compass, his hobbies, the fact that he's there for work, that he's not strictly in charge...
And I posted it because it all sounds nice and cool and smart to me, but even leaving the contents aside I'm not sure I'm objective enough to judge whether the prose is readable or it sounds clunky, exaggerated, dumb and ignorant, filled with clichés or whatever else.

>>20872574
Maybe do an outline, plot pyramid, or story map first?

>>20869826
>A good story is blah blah blah
Writing isn't storytelling. It's the medium by which stories are told. Since stories and characters are mostly interchangeable over a large enough sample size, I'd expect these things to be the most easily automated. What's going to be harder to automate is writing stylistically. You ignored that anon when he raised the point about "form" in literary fiction. Visual art seems to be much more suited to machine learning than is literature. It's developed faster and to a much more impressive level.

>>20872585
That's fair, I have a general idea of the relationships between the characters and that's pretty much it, but I feel like that's beside the point when what I'm asking is whether the snippet is readable, as in, the way it's written feels natural and smooth as opposed to exaggerated, dumb and filled with clichés.
How would having a crystal clear idea of the main plot points help me write differently, or, how would that help you judge whether my snippet is readable?

>>20872542
"Read more books, Anon-kun," said every writer born before the internet sucked the soul out of writing.

>>20867511
man suffers from an extreme sort of narcolepsy. he has little time to prepare, and may sleep anytime from days to years. he fights to stay awake, but is powerless in the end. the potential of lost time is agony, so long as he has aspirations.
waking is confusion before a sort of existential damage assessment.
how does he persevere (if he does)? what he like because of this? how does this affect his relationships?
metaphors for wasting/making the most of ones time, etc. via what it means to him, and how it affects him.
potential for twists. sci-fi for otherwise. and potential for tragedy.
maybe short story only.

>>20872635
None of the books I read are written by Yoda.

>>20867511
In the year 1992 a quirky new age hippy girl and a more down to earth biker chick get together to do a séance. They seemingly fail, but later the same day the hippy receives a radio signal on her ham radio from someone claiming to be from the future, where human society has collapsed.
The hippy girl believes this person, the biker chick thinks its bullshit and plays the role of the skeptic. But when the voice on the radio predicts that on the 12th of December a child will disappear and be discovered dead on the 1st of January, and a child indeed goes missing, they begin to take him much more seriously.
Do not steal, I'm going to start writing it next week now that my Path of Faith is n its editing phase

>>20867366
>masturbatory word choice
You can always count on a rapist for a fancy prose style.

>>20872659
very relatable characters.

>>20872659
>spoiler
Anon barely anyone in here writes (reads)

>>20872672
I don't know what you're trying to say here, I just wanted to have a girl in a leather jacket riding a bike in the story. The hippy is like Mokey Fraggle in my mind.

>>20871452
LibreOffice.

>>20872624
Not either of those anons but I would say you need to work on writing craft more before I would call it readable. It's not a grammatical mess or anything, but as others said at a paragraph/line level the ideas are very disjointed and not grounded in a scene or character.

Study writing craft more and read similar works with an eye for flow to develop that aspect.

>>20872416
Just lets me break more rules and be much more purple

>>20872659
best reply to that post so far by a mile, good luck anon

>>20872731
Makes sense, thank you for your input.

>>20872643

>"How?" said he. "Amontillado, A pipe? Impossible! And in the middle of the carnival!"

You gotta at least read Poe right? He doesn't use it all the time but he used it when it makes sense for the flow. Same goes for Joyce, Tolkien and any other writer.

>>20867521
Aw.... I was hoping to fish for more comments.
>>20868524
I guess I can add in more fantasy elements

>>20871060
The synopsis, ignoring some nuance, is as follows: a young king begrudgingly inherits the throne after his mom is assassinated. He also inherits the remains of a war that has been going on for 20 years. He debates giving the throne up to his trusted advisor, a Duke from one of the nation's trade provinces. On the way to a war meeting in an outer province, he's attacked and forced to flee into the wilderness. He's attacked again by bandits and is saved by some of the nearby military who are recruiting for the army. Not recognizing him, they conscript him into the nation's military. While there, he learns valuable lessons about leadership. After fighting on the border for a few weeks and seeing war first hand, he fights against the foreign king leading the opposing nation. When the main army for the MC's nation comes to back them up, the main general recognizes the MC. He tells him the Duke has been plotting a coup in his absence. The king goes back to the capital city with a sizable band and takes back his throne.
The second half continues 6 months later with the king now trying to settle the war. He plans for a push into foreign territory and this leads him into another fight with the foreign king. They fight one on one and, after a brutal tie, agree to peace during the subsequent negotiations, since they're both tired of the war and nearly broke. The MC hosts a peace negotiation summit in his capital and comes to find he likes the foreign king, though he has trouble getting over his lifelong hatred of the nation. The foreign king then hosts a party at his own capital to celebrate peace. While there, they bond a little more and become friends. During the party, the MC meets an unusual lady whom he takes an interest in. The MC and the foreign king visit each other and go hunting, hawking, talk trade, and discuss policy and philosophy. During one of the visits, the MC sees the unusual lady again and falls in love with her.

That's as far as I've written. I have more planned but I'm not sure where it'll strictly go next. I'm at 125k words.

>>20872622
Counterpoint, the current strategy of AI development is increasing the size of the learning pool for the AI to build off of, and doing more processing on that training data the more you have, which makes it more expensive to train. These programmers think that's the only issue.

But, when it comes to novels, how many truly good novels are out there? A thousand? What about books that a human knows are good at one aspect and bad at another, but because they're so good at the one thing the shortcomings are forgiven?

How could they possibly sort that out? How do they give the AI a reward system to weight it's product? Because the only one they'll have hard numbers for is sales, and sales are independent of the book's quality.

The current shit state of the publishing industry will in fact be the demise of AI automation for it, at best they will be able to make the equivalent of a grammatically correct self-pub book. Go ahead and say what they lack is style, but I think that's just part of the problem.

Or maybe I'll be wrong and you'll find me in the ranks of black masked luddite vandals

>>20872398
>Show, don't TELL.
Don't parrot things you don't understand, please.
>>20872298
I actually liked it. But a similar issue with another replier: I'd like something to ground me in the story. It almost feels like he's reading a newspaper, which would be extremely kino for an opener. I think it can be easily retooled into that.
>>20872267
Agreed as well. Line editing is therapeutic. Deleting 8k words because you're restructuring plot is discouraging.
>>20872530
Omniscient and limited are just two ways to tell a story. Limited is more popular nowadays because the style of most writers has trended away from storytelling and into subtlety. Omniscient is like listening to a narrator around a fire. Limited is like watching a movie, which makes sense that it's more popular now given that film is the most prevalent entertainment medium.

maybe ai could create a rough draft. coming up with a plot is pretty easy.
it will be the author's job to turn the rough draft into a novel.
but even then, why not just let the author come up with the plot? that's the easiest part.

AI image generator thread!
>>20872213
Some of these images are awesome...

Is it wrong to have my 24 yr old MC date someone ancient? I’m writing a fantasy romance and i see people complain about teens and mcs in their 20s date 100+ year old men but i never cared bc it’s fiction

>>20873007
no one cares, go crazy. maybe your audience wants the unfair dynamic. it's a kink. seriously go fucking nuts
dont ever ask

>Omg guys, can I like let my transbi 4,273 year old quokka furry vampire gf date my **age redacted** shota stand inn character meant to represent me pre molestation in my crossover anime lit rpg romance?

Is there any saving these kinds of people?

>>20873100
I’m not those kind of people. I’m just a normal woman who likes romance books

how is "flit" not past tense?
>the birds flit among the branches
>the birds flitted among the branches

>>20873102
Dude I don’t care about your gay stand in fictional trans romance, please leave.
YWNBAW

The fantasy book I'm writing is blatantly ASoIaF-like in every aspect - the POV structure, the language use, the setting and genre, the grimdark presentation, etc, etc. Otherwise it's a completely original story
How likely am I to get a gorilla legal cock up my ass?

>>20872298
>May 2099, Saturn had been blown up by who knows what,
Stopped right there.

>>20873117
No

>>20873139
nobody owns style
and nobody will ever care enough about something so derivative to bother suing you anyway

>>20873141
Why?

>>20873220
It's bad.

I don't know if to give my character a child, as a way to show their previous callousness.
They would remain a random background fact, treated with the same superficial concern as that dog you had to give away. Within the setting it makes sense,
some have done this. No different than being a gene donor just way more personal. But it might be uncalled for, there could be better ways to show an avoidant personality.

>>20873229
What is it that makes it bad?

>>20873280
nta.. but let me guess, it was a giant insect.

>>20873280
Because a catastrophic event like Saturn blowing up will have people actually talking about it. Not so nonchalant

>>20871054
All my best stuff comes from pen and paper first. I connect better mind and paper, I'm more lyrical, I have more fun. I think it's related to sitting at a piano and knowing a the key for your song but really you need your fingers to do the work. I know you could make the same analogy with a computer keyboard but for some reason it "ring" like it does when you have to articulate every letter.

>>20872298
I'm not better than you, in fact, my writing is bad.
But maybe the other anon is talking about it being aimless in wording? Like talking about 911 and thinking "oh well whatever". Maybe some thoughts on the reactions of others? Brief speculation on the event, very brief. Just give it some sort of gravity. I get the casual vibe you're going for.
I really like the 2nd one about the telescope, I'm a massive Gibson fan so those details are fun.

>>20873110
Flit is an irregular verb. It has the same spelling for its past participle as its present, though the past tense flit is an uncommon usage of the word. Some other irregular verbs are read, cut, hit, and cost. The nebulousness of the verb tense can be cleared up by adding a time indicator to a sentence.
>The birds flit among the branches this morning.
>The birds flit among the branches every day.
>I read a book this morning.
>I read every day.
And so on.

>>20873280
NTA but "had been blown up" sucks. Try an intransitive verb:
>May 2099, Saturn disappeared from the sky.
>May 2099, Saturn exploded.
>May 2099, Saturn dispersed into a second asteroid belt.
Also, Saturn's rings aren't made of gas, they're made of ice and rocks.

>>20873357
but "flit" is wrong, "flitted" is the proper past tense

>>20873264
>Marty Asswreka didn’t remember the name of his four baby mamas. No. He only cared for the name of his next trophy, a thick collection of flesh and fat. He hungered. His next baby mama in sight.

I like it, go for it.

>>20873434
Ok, it's a bad idea. Thanks for the feedback.

What's the best resource for LN/WN-style writing that's more like a screenplay or script?

If any of you reach an amazon sales rank of 50,000 or better, I’ll respect your advice.

>>20873522
what about my Scribblehub rank? im trying to actually get paid here.

>>20873530
If you can make more than rhe other anons, I’ll at least consider you. The highest I’ve seen here was like $200 a month

BROS LAY IT ON ME:

In the open patio of a Wen Clan pavilion, a young man sat on a long wooden chair. His closed eyes, slow breathing, and neutral expression indicated an obvious slumber. Yet despite his sleeping state, where most might appear tender or vulnerable, the young man radiated with an aura of balance and grace. One could perceive it by inspecting the young man’s fine control over his body, even as he slept. It was in the parallel with which his spine aligned to the back of the chair; the upright angle his neck propped his head at; and the interlocking of his shoulders above his lap. There was no supernatural nature to it, and yet, it was all the more impressive for that.

But most striking of all was what could be seen as he awakened – and only then. In an interval as brief as a butterfly’s flutter, the young man’s eyelids bared open, even as his mind was still submerged in slumber. The parting of his lids revealed two golden irises, within there was a discordance. They were not tranquil, like one might expect from the young man and his bearing. Instead, his eyes had an intensity to them, an immutable intensity, bubbling like lava. For a moment, his gaze was akin to simmering water and gathering clouds, for it loomed of disaster. A disaster which would flatten mountains and rend oceans of blood, heaving the world asunder.

But that heralded disaster never came. Instead, there was a blink. Calm replaced the turbulence within that gaze.

And the young man donned a friendly smile.

>>20873548
IS THIS THE NEXT CRADLE?

>>20873563
it's actually a cradle expy i have planned except the protagonist is a physical cripple like glokta; also the character arc he undergoes in the first book is his realization that he has no care for morality and ends with him massacring his entire clan for power

>>20873522
you should keep writing. you'll make it, anon.

>>20873548
>In the open patio of a Wen Clan pavilion, a young man sat on a long wooden chair. His closed eyes, slow breathing, and neutral expression indicated an obvious slumber.
Stopped right there.

>>20873548
>And the young man donned a friendly smile.
Stopped right there.

>>20873583
bros... ;-;
but i see where your issue lies, it's too direct and lackluster in prose, right?

>>20873588
YOU FUCKING BASTARD

>>20873579
You should keep writing anon. Maybe one will sell.

>>20873593
No. It's a lot of bullshit to say he was asleep in the chair.

>>20873601
ok

>>20873576
actually haven't read cradle, i've only read comments about it here. i intend to though.
western wuxia is probably (still) free real-estate

How do I tell the story of my former addiction without lapsing into the same thought pattern that caused me to indulge in the addiction in the first place?

>>20873613
What's made Cradle so known across /wg/ and /sffg/ anyway? It's an extremely niche work within an already specific subgenre (that being chink western fantasy).

>>20873628
You’re weak. Stop writing.

>>20873645
sigma

>>20873641
It's free.

>>20873641
wuxia is gaining popularity in the west, and this guy is ahead of the game.
really though, it just takes 1-2 anon in a general thread to make it into a meme.

Story in a fantasy-Renaissance setting about an extremely beautiful young orphan (male) who goes around selling his body to ascend the social hierarchy. He has no morals and principles, and is willing to lie, betray, and harm enemies and friends alike for entirely small gains. The narrative, however, is about him finding a higher principle/ideal to dedicate his life to, against his current betrayal-inclined disposition.

>>20872860
Historical fiction or fantasy?

>>20872398
> Show, don't TELL
This generic advice ruined two generations of writers

>>20873732
Make the prose faggily purple enough and the speculative elements not mere set-dressing and I'd read it.

>>20871591
Yes. I was kinda tired when I wrote this. But one of her traits is that she has incredibly good eyesight.

>>20873548
It's really good, just some grammar issues, and sentence structure makes it read very oddly.

New thread
>>20873838

>>20873844
>another early meerkat shit thread
Report and ignore. Real thread will come at page 9.

>>20873330
>>20873370
Reading my snippet again after these comments it kinda reads like Saturn exploded in May 2099, I'll certainly have to re-word it because what I meant to say was rather that the date in which the narration is happening is May 2099, and sometime in the past Saturn had been blown up, so by the time the story begins most people don't even remember about Saturn, hence the memory of it was mostly contained in pictures rather than people's minds.
Did you read it like that?
>>20873347
>my writing is bad
Well then, here's to a lifetime of improvement.
>events seems to have no weight
I see what you mean, I'll be careful not to overdo it.
>I really like the 2nd one
Thank you kindly.

>>20873548
especially in the beginning the phrases are a tad short compared to how relaxing the atmosphere is portrayed, they almost give a sense of urgency which contrasts with the content
I'm not sure whether it's grammatically incorrect to start a period with a conjunction (yet, but), but it doesn't read very nicely
>two golden irises, within there was a discordance
shouldn't it be "withing which there was" or "within which was"?

>>20873628
as long as you're able to think about why you're having that thought pattern, that is, to write about it, and to remember the reason why you stopped, you're going to be fine

How do I stop self-censoring myself? We're not even talking politics here, I avoid detailing anything and everything because someone took offense to something once and it looks like shit.

>>20873970
be free

>>20873970
This fat dyke trashed my short story in class because I used the word faggot. Her entire critique was centered around it. Didn't phase me in the least. You know why? Fat dykes aren't my audience. I don't care if fat dykes like my story. I'm not writing for fat dykes. You need to stop caring if someone out there's going to take offense. Just be honest and if you're doing it well, it'll resonate with at least some people.

>>20874004
does this mean that if someone from your intended audience took offense to the word faggot, or whatever other word, you'd stop using it?

>>20873970
take some time out of your busy schedule to write about children having an orgy
then write another.

>>20873756
Historical fiction. There are some pseudo-fantasy elements. In the next book for instance the MC and the foreign king go on a hunt for a legendary amulet while they rebuild their nations together.

>>20874027
No. I use the word faggot to my heart's content when it's appropriate for the character and circumstances in question and its use achieves whatever effect I'm going for. If someone takes offense to that I write them off completely. My work just isn't for them and it'll never be for them. That's all there is to it. There's nothing I can do about it without compromising my vision. After all the offended people leave, whoever's left - that's my audience.

>>20874105
It's not in my other writing but I have one book I've titled "project autism" that has libertine use of "-fag" and "-tranny" among other well known words as suffixes for basically everything. I know it will make people upset but I think it's a necessary detail in idiosyncratic speech.

>>20874141
If you think it's necessary and you have a purpose in using it then use it. Don't worry about whether or not it'll make people upset.