/lit/ - Literature

Accept the conch.

>>20860653
I'm back, huehuehue. In DotF, was the Marshall Clan basically like the Rockefellers or Rothschilds pre-integration.

>>20860653
I don't know bros. Think I'm done with fantasy. Maybe it's the depression talking, but I have zero interest in reading anything new anymore. I just want to find time to reread the best of what I've already read. Pic is how I feel.

>>20860764
I'm depressed as shit and only read xianxia and litrpg now, with the occasional reddit-tier FOTM scifi book thrown in. The brain fog makes it hard to read any quality works. But the quick leveling and powerups of xianxia/litRPG MC's hit the serotonin levels just right.

Maybe also try some isekai LN for another fantasy guilty pleasure.

I know this is a random request but is there anything that gives a "dark magician girl from yugioh" vibe

>>20860794
based post brother I hope you find something inshallah

Morn Hyland consented.

>>20860784
I don't know if it's age, but that kind of thing really doesn't appeal to me at all. I appreciate that some people love it.

First for Wolfe
Jolenta consented

>>20860794
Be the change you wish to see in the world

>>20860653
An upcoming AMC animated series is a loose adaptation of Ken Liu's:
The Gods Will Not Be Chained
The Gods Will Not Be Slain
The Gods Have Not Died In Vain
https://youtu.be/TrC-0XJR3qo

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1660545386412932.webm

>>20860744
xianxia
>MC has to meditate and revolve internal energy to gain power (cultivate), but can also kill enemies, and find powerups to gain power. MC is mostly silent and hardly has any dialogue and no personality.

litRPG
>MC can only kill enemies and find powerups to level up and gain power. MC is always cracking dad jokes and won't shut the fuck and stop trying to be a fucking reddit comedian.

DotF
>MC cannot cultivate at all and is a mortal, unlike his peers who are all cultivators. MC can only kill enemies and find powerups to get stronger. MC is mostly silent and only talks to ask questions about what/how the world works.

A true xianxia/litRPG fusion novel.

hey sffg I've been quite forgetful recently, can someone remind me who rules supreme?

Why does Sanderson so obsess with religions and gender roles?
Always the same shit with different flavors.

read cradle.

Have yet to stumble upon a well written (by a woman) fantasy book. It doesn't exist. Not in this reality. It's gayer than anal sex between hairy men. Don't go further.

>>20859708
>Should characters not have their own backstories?
The issue is not with characters "having backstories". It's that:
1. Backstories of characters are extremely convoluted, overwrought, and steeped in excess pathos and drama.
2. That applies to EVERY character in the book. Imagine ASoIaF, but every character is simultaneously Barristan Selmy and Arya.

>>20861288
I agree with you.

>>20861288
Rocannon's World.

>>20861288
Here's your (you)

>>20861288
agreed

>>20860744
When I think of this series, I think of Dumbledore saying, "HOWEVER!"

>>20861324
>He said calmly

>>20860874
So this is not bad. Has more substance than it seemed when I skimmed to the rape. Good characterization especially through dialogue, plot keeps me reading. If it continues being good I'm going to have a nice four-book series to enjoy.

>>20861343
gets me every time. i don't much care for the long-winded greentexts though

how is it that nearly every chinese webnovel mc by in large do not know the principle of enlightened self-interest and often upon being transmigrated, will immediately abandon any form of morality and inflict upon a foreign world the terrors of Chinese negotiation. i don’t know how to describe it, but the dickish way these protagonists act is uniquely Chinese, as in if you saw a person acting like them in real life, 9/10 it would be a chinaman.

is China’s sense of morality and culture that alien to someone raised in the West?

>>20861394
>how is it that nearly every chinese webnovel mc by in large do not know the principle of enlightened self-interest and often upon being transmigrated, will immediately abandon any form of morality and inflict upon a foreign world the terrors of Chinese negotiation. i don’t know how to describe it, but the dickish way these protagonists act is uniquely Chinese, as in if you saw a person acting like them in real life, 9/10 it would be a chinaman.
>is China’s sense of morality and culture that alien to someone raised in the West?
China is - quite literally - dog eat dog country. People can't even help each other if someone gets hurt in a road accident because people tend to sue you for helping in a wrong way, so people just don't help. Communism fuckem them hard and did what it often does - turns the human's paradigm onto materialism, thus making people looking down on spiritualism and morality. Of course, the local traditions and attitude has a lot of influence how the consequences play out, Russia today is not that much different mentally than 200 years ago, just without its spiritual balance.

Not to mention the counterculture is always made up of artists, and its artists that create art. And what's the mainstream in China? National capitalism controlled bu an authoritharian regime. No wonder Chinese artists slander communal ideas, authority and venerate individualism, even extreme one. Stuff like this influenced Ayan Rand's Atlas Shrugged - she wanted to write anti-thesis to what she experienced in USSR. In that way Reverend Insanity and Atlas Shrugged share its purpose in spirit, both were written from the same attitude and experiences.

Cultivations is at its core extremely individualistic, and as most writers copy world-building 1:1, having to steal from others to become greater themselves due to resource scarcity and zero-sum game is a constant theme in the genre.

>>20858292
>idk man
>I've been reading quite consistently for like four months now and I'm still like halfway through V6
>And by reading consistently I mean sometimes streaks of days of 6+ hours of reading
>The chapters keep getting longer and longer, I feel like V9 is gonna be finished by the time I completely catch up
Sorry TWI bro, but it took me only 21~ days to go from zero to half of Volume 7. And I savour the story, not speed-read (speed-reading is like speed-fucking, what's the fucking point).

>>20861394
>principle of enlightened self-interest
>often upon being transmigrated, will immediately abandon any form of morality and inflict upon a foreign world the terrors of Chinese negotiation.
What is enlightened self interest? And If I get this right then why don't transmigrated mc does not act like weak soiim and instead acts like a chad?
Also this does not happen often, there are few novels where mc kills innocents indicriminately (namely RI) and most mcs are more or less moral and only kill their enemies.

>>20860684
In the thumbnail, it looks like she has huge tits that are barely contained by a white shirt.

>>20861288
i spend time in various generals on various boards and this one is by far the most misogynistic. why are you incels like this?
>earthsea
>the left hand of darkness
>lilith’s brood
>piranesi
better than anything you lebensunwertes leben have ever written

>>20861288
You are correct.

>>20861578
every board has it's incels
just like every night has it dawn
just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song
every board has it's incels, yeah it does

>>20861578
>i spend time in various generals on various boards and this one is by far the most misogynistic. why are you incels like this?
People who go out and have don't need to think about women and abstract ideas. It's people who sit at home because they have no friends and reasons to go out that start doing philosophy, literature etc. Due to this, women by and large don't write anything serious. Women particularly don't feel drive to write fantasy, unless it's a romance, and do next to none philosophy. Not surprising that a board that's all about literature and philosophy would resent women as they have next to none presence here.

>>20861277
because he's Mormon

>>20861343
>>20861324

https://youtu.be/IdoD2147Fik
https://youtu.be/xSxQcAm3PE8

>>20861277
>Why does Sanderson so obsess with religions and gender roles?
>Always the same shit with different flavors.
He's a ex-missionary with strong connection to Mormon church, of course he's focused on relligio and gender roles. His third Stromlight Archive is basically mormon propaganda. He goes as far as to not be gay-positive in this day and age. A normal person would be crucified, but Sando writes popular books so everyone has an excuse for him. But yeah, he's a deeply conservative, religious person who likes to write fiction. In a way it's hilarious that he's the most popular fantasy writer in today's left-liberal America. Reality is truly absurd.

What am I in for

>>20861720
alcoholic manlets with short tempers and long grudges, presumably

>>20861735
this is a racist comment

Who was in the wrong here?

>>20861720
>'Dwarves'
>not 'Dwarfs'

>>20861720
It’s pretty good. My favorite part is when the story moves to the underworld (book three I believe). If you speak German I can also recommend you to read Die Legenden der Albae by the same author. The stories are interwoven at times and it’s all on the same continent.

>>20861742
is this power rangers

>>20861763
Kek no. It's from picrel.

>>20861704
His books already include, even if only on the background, a fair amount of homosexual characters. That gives (at least in the eyes of the crowds interested in that stuff) enough excuse to not make a long article ranting about how insensible he is against whatever collective is in fashion right now.
That aside, his work presses just the right buttons among the current majority of fantasy readers, that is, young adults and teenagers born from the womb of California itselt, unable and unwilling to explore a worldview slightly different from the usual, modern american lens everything is seen throught.

>>20861742
Finwë for being a dirty bigamist.

>>20861187
Srandon Banderson

>>20861578
>i spend time in various generals on various boards and this one is by far the most misogynistic
Oh stop it with the flattery, you.

>>20861277
More importantly, why did Reddit kickstart Brandy Sandy into becoming a multi millionaire for offering a bunch of books he would've published anyway? It still strikes me as truly bizarre. I can't even begin to imagine the seething envy other writers must've felt.

>>20861704
>Sandersoy is a (((Mormon)))
Well that explains how the fucking hack got published

About to start Shadow and Claw
When does it get good?

>>20861704
Sanderson isn't really that conservative, certainly not in relation to LGBTWTFBBQ issues. Unlike Orson Card, who stuck to his guns and has been severely punished for it.

Books with this feel?

Is it true that Wolfe writes very pornographically?
I don't like sex scenes in my novels, does he do that?

>>20862060
>I don't like sex scenes in my novels
Nobody forces you to write sex scenes into your novels, silly.

>>20861578
that surprised me as well

yeah I'm thinking she's based after all

>>20862133
Link? This looks like someone is compiling a recommendation list for me.

>>20861288
Patricia McKillip
C. J. Cherryh
Joy Chant

>read Mistborn
>very indifferent about Vin
>listened to Mistborn graphic audio
>now in love with Vin
>read Stormlight
>hated Shallan
>listened to Stormlight graphic audio
>now in love with Shallan.
Female voices sure helped a lot.

>>20862189
https://i.4cdn.org/lit/1660843450856586.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/lit/1660843491988694.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/lit/1660843564217912.jpg
https://i.4cdn.org/lit/1660843672729132.jpg

>>20861288
*hobbs in your path*

>>20862247
All those shitlibs on the list like John Green and Neil Gayman make me suspect it has to be a troll.

>>20862251
wtf, Robin Hobb has been a woman all along?

>>20862265
das rite

>>20862133
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the description of her is true, her books are basic drivel for primitive women who only talk about boys and how 'proggresive' they are. You know that kind of woman, the one that says lesbians are amazing, but would be out-spoken how gay men are disgusting and would never touch a man who 'took a dick' because it would make him unmanly.

I'm the harem anon who posts here and I know the male equivalent of that, but the difference between male and female erotic fiction is that men prefer video porn so the books aren't that popular, meanwhile women prefer books as their equivalent of porn. That's why books with a girl being fucked by three different guys are mainstream topsellers. Sarah J. Mass writes the exact kind of stuff. It's just porn for women, that's all.

>>20862265
As much as I loved Hobb's books as a teenager, considered them to be the best stuff I've ever read, I'm afraid to read them now, richer in all of the life experience acquired since. I love books with good characters, but looking back Hobb might be one of those that overdramatize stuff and are only interested in male characters that are 'tortured emotionally bad boys.'
Fuck, I'm really afraid to read it again, I want my cheerished memories intact.

>>20862283
female attempts at writing male characters always fake, cringey and insincere

>>20862283
>>20862289
Idk, I read realm of the Elderlings this year and one thing I loved was how she managed such a huge cast of pov characters and still kept them believable. Only Fitz really fits the tortured emotionally bad boy (and maybe paragon too).

Aside from Fitz, I loved how kennit, brashen and the gay assistant in the river traders were wirtten.

>>20862272
Is it too much to ask to live in a cabin in the woods with Hobb while she hunts, sews me new clothes, cooks pastries and takes care of my horse?

>>20861570
?!
Please get laid before posting, you are not ok.

>>20862332
Yes. Shes also going to be fucking your dad if you do that.

>>20862505
I don't mind, we can all live together and she can be my new mommy

>>20862420
Why do you treat me like I'm the weird one, when it's you who lacks vision.

>>20860684
Me on the bottom right

>TWI 7.36 C
this is unrelated to the chapter i'm at right now, but i just noticed something. i-is there a reason the website banner doesn't have lyonette on it?
also will the terandria stuff resolve in V7? i've been curious about calanfer for a long time now...
don't answer if it's big spoilers. i know i shouldn't be asking in the first place.

female protags are boring. Women are born with everything they already are. Their youth is what determines their value to men. This is why when there's a female protag she just has all the skills by default. She never has to learn or develop as a character because women don't do that in real life, only men need to improve themselves. Female writers don't understand how self improvement works because they never have to experience it.

>>20862060
No, at least not in New Sun.

>>20862850
(You)

>>20861980
After the 13th reread

what am i in for ?

>>20862954
Comfort food? Hackneyed cliche? Everything is right across the plate, depends on how you feel about that.

>>20862954
Now that's what I call soulful cover art

>>20862791
Banner is just a banner, it honestly should have more characters on it if Relc was included. Main PoVs would be nice. Imagine that we STILL don't have a high quality Teriarch art, just some abstract stuff like picrel

Also...there was a Terandria plotline in V7? I guess there were a few chapters, but nothing substantial. Just, oh, 100k words all-together? Less?

I can give a very slight structural spoiler about Terandria, nothing about the plot: It doesn't really enter the story before V8, then it becomes important

Anyway, how is the Rhir arc going for you? Kino stuff. Just a random novel-sized side-story.

Any good fantasy set in the real world?

>>20863078
>Any good fantasy set in the real world?
I have mixed feelings about it, but I guess Temeraire series would fit. It's decently popular.
Basically, out world, but with Dragonriders. Set during Napolenic wars.

>>20862060
The most pornographic thing I've read from him is at the very beginning of There Are Doors when the protagonist "empties himself inside her" or something to that effect.
I've never seen him describe genitalia, nipples, sex acts, or bodily fluids, however he does make reference to sex, women's bodies (in terms of curvature, facial beauty), and rape.

>>20863150
Actually I lied, technically he does sometimes describe sex acts in euphemistic or allusive terms but not with direct reference to genitals. (I remembered Severian "impaling" Dorcas.)

I put Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser aside. Because frankly, the short story format just felt too odd. They're nice stories if you're ok with them being so short, and having no connection to the other stories. It's kind of like Star Trek in that way. New episode, new adventure.

Well anyway. I needed something new to read. And you guys weren't being helpful, so I finally cracked and looked at the recommendation sheets in the mega link. Sifted around, googled some books. Checked reviews. Finally decided to give "A Shadow in Summer" a try. And you know what? It's pretty good! Just finished book 1. Looking forward to book 2.(there's 4 in the series)

The story sticks to a single city for the most part. And only like eight key characters. So it was a very self contained book with a bunch of interpersonal and political drama. Not your adventure fantasy. But the main drama is centered around a magical aspect of the world. That being a creature who is a concept made into flesh. This magically conjured being is the center of everything. So while the drama feels very grounded in a way. It's still fantastical at the same time. The author struck a nice balance there.

My only real problem with the book, is how the author describes the gestures people make by saying they "took a pose". These poses are part of the culture of the world. A body language that compliments your spoken language. So you can lace your words with meaning in how you pose. The problem is that the author doesn't really describe what the poses are. You just have to guess what the characters are doing. From what I deduced, poses are primarily hand gestures. As characters are sometimes described as using their hands to make the pose.(vaguely) And poses can be performed while walking.(albeit a little clumsily) So must not be totally dependent on legs. And characters can pose while lying down, though they prefer to sit up straight before posing.

So my guess is that it's a lot of Italian-esque hand gestures. Perhaps with some shoulder and hip action. In any case, I wish the author explains what these poses are in the next book. But he probably won't. Because if he did, then he'd have to worry about poses conflicting with actions that the characters are taking. And visually, it would be very silly.

>>20863217
For a book about magic, very little magic actually happens.
This read more like the author trying to write deep philosophical implication novels.

>>20863228
Yes. A very very small amount of magic *on display*. But the implications are huge. You can imagine what they're doing with their magic off screen so to speak. I feel like the scope of the world is going to open up some more in book 2. And we're going to see some more spirits, and thus more magic.
I don't know much of anything about philosophy. But I like the idea of a concept being bound as a physical being, forced to serve. That gets you thinking.

>>20861957
this is pretty funny since mormons actually do revere jews and try and emulate them

>>20863257
Anon. I read all four books. What you saw in book one is it. It isn't getting any better. It's a political intrigue book with philosophical musing wearing a fantasy mask.

>>20861277
>>20861704
>>20861774
I never hear you guys bring up the fact that all of his books have slaves in them. There's always that runaway slave character in everything he writes. That revolutionary. That emancipator. Honestly, I think the reason he's given a pass by the left, is due to American white guilt over the slave trade.

>>20863313
... I'll see about that. I don't ever expect it to get highly magical. But I'm betting there were be relatively more magic in book 2 compared to book 1.

>>20863330
Prepare to be disappointed. Please rant in here so I can feel better about wasting my time on that series 10 years ago.

When are we having another one of those threads?

>>20863344
It won't be a large disappointment for me if the second book has the same level of magic as the first book. Like I said, the first book struck a nice balance. So if the author continues that balance, I'll probably feel very neutral about the matter. The minimum to satisfy me is to meet some new spirits. Or to learn about what the other spirits do, and their various roles in the culture. They don't have to enter a scene throwing fireballs and walking on the winds. I'm just curious about who they are, how they came to be, and how they feel about their existence. If they're anything like Seedless.

>>20863373
Goodluck anon, and godspeed.

>>20860653
How hard is getting published as a fantasy writer? Do you need to have the jew?

>>20863030
I was a bit put off at the start. Because the previous chapters were great and some big events happened (penicillin/contact with geneva, the druid chapter), I didn't particularly love following that up by going into a new arc about some literally-who officers in rhir. ..But then I finished the arc and I obviously have to say: the last stretch was insane. There were some good moments before that as well, so it was pretty good overall.
It was interesting how pa threatened the reveal of guns, which would have been a big deal, only to completely overshadow that with the motherload of magical warfare in the next chapter. If that was intended then it just goes to show how good he has gotten with leading the readers expectations. I've said this about v6 as well.

That being said, I'm still a bit wary about having guns and modern weaponry in the story. I hope it will be done well if it happens, because guns and modern weaponry are some of the least magical/fantastical things I can think of. They're capable of breaking the genre of the story imo. For the same reason I worry about when the worlds connect, if they do.
This chapter definitely allayed my fears a bit though.

Quiteil turned out to be really cool somehow.
All the transmigrators in rhir are pretty bland save for the clown.

>I can give a very slight structural spoiler about terandria, nothing about the plot: it doesn't really enter the story before v8, then it becomes important
Ah crap, I thought as much. They keep mentioning ailendamus but at the same time a lot of other threads are happening. I figured it wouldn't get the spotlight in this volume. I really want to see lyonette interact with calanfer tho.

>>20863217
The poses are a common complaint, but I liked them. Though, that may only be because I was familiar with the idea already. They're based off of mudra. That's one of the various Asian inspired concepts in the first book. Here's what I thought about them.

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My sister is obsessed with this book.
Is it actually good or is it overrated trash?

>>20863457
Yeah, you need connections if you want to get published the traditional way. Nepotism runs rampant in the industry. It's a fairly small pond where everyone knows everyone. And the people who rule over that pond are overwhelmingly feminist women. Any "oppression points" will work in your favor here. Someone who wants to get published for the first time in 2022 is ideally a black disabled (pardon, differently abled) lesbian. But if you are an unconnected straight white man, expect major difficulties and roadblocks to getting published. If you are openly conservative in your writing on top, you might as well give up and look directly into self-publishing.

>>20863517
I wish I was joking, but it really is that bad. You may have heard of the shitstorm that Joyce Carol Oates summoned upon herself by speaking out of turn. You know the game is rigged when even a Jew thinks it goes too far.

>>20863517
>(((white)))
Good one.

>>20863217
>I put Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser aside. Because frankly, the short story format just felt too odd. They're nice stories if you're ok with them being so short, and having no connection to the other stories. It's kind of like Star Trek in that way. New episode, new adventure.
Your taste is fucking dogshit and you know fuck all about sword and sorcery
off yourself you fucking freak. fucking zoomer retard who needs le 2000 page epic fantasy schlock to feel content

>>20863555
i think you might be overreacting to his criticism of a pulpfic

>>20863555
You mad anon?

>>20863580
Imagine calling Fafhrd and the grey mouser bad and then posting some shitty nu fantasy cringe 1000 page trilogy
unironically off yourself. zoomer freak who needs ten thousand pages and is put off by pulp action and adventure

>>20863517
>74% woman
WTF. And these are the same people who will complain about lack of representation.

>>20863617
Numbers are less skewed wrt the highest positions in publishing, albeit still clearly favoring women. I think you'll be delighted to know that those who conducted the survey took away the lesson that "this reflects the reality that males still ascend to positions of power more easily, even in female-dominated industries." (Rather than, y'know, being holdovers who started their careers some 50 years ago.)

However, this entails that the lower levels are even MORE skewed in favor of women than the industry aggregate to make up for the executive.

>>20863721
If you look at the entry level numbers, you get an idea of the future that awaits you.

>>20863517
>>20863529
>>20863721
/lit/bros, how do you manage to survive in this jewified world?

>>20863731
How the fuck are 22% of them disabled? Do all disabled people get a career on publishing?

>>20863749
It's self-reported disability, so anyone who is a self-diagnosed BPD bitch shows up among those 22%

>>20863517
Or just self publish. I really see no issue here.

>>20863772
That's what I said at the end. But presumably anon was asking about tradpublishing. And I personally know some people who look down on self-published works and crave the validation and presumed prestige conferred by being tradpublished.

>>20861453
Wei Wuxian is cute!

Just read the Foundation trilogy. Are the latter books worth reading?

>>20863517
>>20863721
>>20863731
How things came to this? I know the jews are obviously pushing for it, but if normal men hadn't stopped reading there would still be space for non pozzed fiction.

>>20863959
Mixed. They're from a much later time in his life. I'd go back and read his robot novels, the galactic empire novels and then if you want more, the later Foundation books. I don't regret reading them, but they aren't on the same level.

>>20863991
kikes would sooner burn down the world than leave the white man be

>>20863507
Not very good.
The Twitter crowd just loved it because it was set in a world without misogyny or homophobia.

>>20863507
>female writer
>female reader obsessed with it
Take a wild guess

>>20864153
It must have plenty sex scenes where the plain jane main character gets pounded by chad

>>20864158
bingo
EVERY
SINGLE
TIME

>>20863996
Noted. Are the Galactic Empire novels about the same Galactic Empire as in the Foundation series?

>>20864158
No it's unironic dyke kino
Lots of LGBTQIABRAAAAAAP stuff

>>20864199
Yes, though not as good. But interesting.

My Uncle-in-Law has recommended me Dune, The First Law, and I've incidentally discovered that he's read all of Reverend Insanity (but claims that it's 'just to waste time' because he has nothing better to do when waiting on his phone).

What are the odds that he posts/has posted on /sffg/?

>>20864273
Don’t you have better things to do than making up bullshit here? Or is shitposting the only thing you have?

>>20860684
What's this from

>>20864290
Kids book of myths and legends I rediscovered at my parent's place last night. Some great illustrations

I wrote a fantasy novel, what do I do with the manuscript?

>>20864314
Why are you asking us? There's a writing general, go there. >>20860313

>>20864327
Cause there is a lot of discussion in this thread currently about publishing but yeah I guess it is off topic

>>20864314
Burn it live on stream.

The Paranoid Mage

Callum Wells has always seen strange things that others did not, but at of 30 he's caught up in a magical attack and his latent power comes to the attention of the Guild of Arcane Regulation, who bag him, tag him, take him in, sit him down and tell him how it's going to be. Off to magical kindergarten, then to serve GAR at their pleasure for an unspecified "draft" period.

Or not. "Callum knew a hustle when he heard one." Rather than accepting tutelage in his newly discovered powers in exchagne for service, Callum ditches his captors at the first chance and goes on the lam, hiding, teaching and training himself where possible, fighting where he feels he must.

Not going to say it's amazing, but it was surprisingly engaging. If you've gotten yourself over the triple hump of self publishing, urban fantasy and progression fantasy, this might be worth a shot. The progression aspect is cool because there are no stats, levels or cultivation realms, just a guy who knows nothing trying to teach himself what's possible. It very clearly draws from overt progression fantasy, but does without the overt mechanics. So it's like The Fugitive meets an extended 80s training montage punctuated with bursts of creative violence.

This is also one of its shortcomings. Though the mages in-story can't think of how a spatial mage can be a combat class, I'm sure you can and so can I. But still, each of Callum's terrorist attacks are the same but different, reflecting his expanding knowledge and ability. And through alternate (but sparingly used) PoV, we see the rigid thinking of the GAR stiffs who consistently misattribute his cleverness to the work of greater and stronger forces.

I don't know if it's going to win anyone over, but if you know what goes on in this end of the pool this has more going for it than most.

>>20864453
nice

>>20864453
Is the protag of Paranoid Mage as GAR as Carl? Because a lot of this sounds quite similar.

>>20864541
Naw, he is completely different. Dude is paranoid as fuck. It was great reading how he didn't trust what was told to him, and kept his head down.
Can't wait for book three.

Also I'm not the anon you responded to.

>>20864541
I didn't get a Carl vibe, because the definitive feature of Carl for me is the mismatched buddy team of Carl and Donut. And the GAR aren't genocidally cruel, just indifferent to humanity's interests. Callum is attached to normies because he lived as one his whole life (most mages come from known magical bloodlines and are segregated into magical society from birth).

They're both "a man vs The Man", but that's a pretty generic storyline. If the theme resonates with you you might like it a bit more for engaging with that, but you won't find it a derivative carbon copy of Carl, unless Carl is the only book you've ever read.

>>20864589
Callum is more "Oh fuck run they're out to get me" and Carl is more "Oh fuck they're out to get me get the bombs ready", then?

>>20862060
>>20863150
a little girl gets raped in latro

>>20864623
delet this

>>20864613
Kind of. Carl can't do anything but play the game. Callum's goal is more of a self-made witness protection program. He doesn't want to bring it all down. But they are similar in that they get drawn into trouble by the need to protect others.

>>20863078
>Any good fantasy set in the real world?
Lyonesse. Bran Mak Mor. Mythago Wood.

>>20863739
Make white women love me.

>>20864623
How is it described?
>>20863150
Thanks
I saw some Christians claim that he wrote pornographic scenes but maybe they were exaggerating
I just really hate sex

>>20864623
That isn't pornographic. It can't be, because it happens off-screen. I'm trying not to be rude but that's really an idiotic thing of you to say.

>>20862060
Gene Wolfe usually wrote after cumming

>>20864731
Wasn't he a Catholic?
Why would he be masturbating?

>>20862060
There was an instance of teenage sex and pregnancy near the end of Book of the Long Sun.

>>20864680
true, a little girl getting raped was definitely crucial to the plot.

>>20864751
Are you just plain retarded? Do you usually believe the shitpost here?

Sci-fi ages so badly. But is it even possible for fantasy to age badly?

>>20864798
It was crucial in Lyonesse.

>>20864623
What other books do you recommend?

In 2000 years will The Cosmere be considered a classic epic

>>20864798
I don't accept your concession. It's not understandable that you wouldn't know what is and isn't pornography, no matter how young or stupid or degenerate you are.

>>20864875
not my fault he wrote a little girl being raped into the story unnecessarily

>>20864880
Of course not, it wasn't even your fault that you were born. It's unfortunate, but that crime falls upon your parents' heads.

>>20864811
One of the big reasons sci-fi ages badly is because the technology predictions can never be 100% accurate and all the wrong predictions stick out like sore thumbs. Fantasy doesn't make those predictions. The aging that would effect both would be political issues and contemporary references because only 1% of the past gets remembered.

>>20864905
so stop being so mad about the little girl being raped in the story

>>20861578
This general is a hellhole. Don't expect real conversation. But for what it's worth:
Butler is awful, Le Guin is great, haven't read Piransei.

>>20864874
I highly doubt it. It will be a footnote in "the history of fantasy" with the description "it's was like a jrpg in book form".
Most books won't be remembered.

>>20864313
Name?

>>20864957
It's interesting that my favourite vidya are JRPGs (Dragon Quest, Phantasy Star etc), buy my favourite authors are more literary spec-fic writers (Peake, Vance, Bakker)

>>20862015
The King in Yellow

Everyone talking about AI humanoids needing rights, but no one talking about AI toilets needing rights.

>>20865122

>>20864947
>this general is a hellhole
Obviously you've never lurked /sp/

>>20865129
Please leave and never return.

>>20865122
I wonder if those toilets would have sensors that would allow them to "taste" what's going down haha
God that would suck

>>20865069

About halfway through this, and it's been a while since I read something with a cast this saturated with insufferable cunts. Shoulda known better, it triggers so many of my red flags, but the first two chapters were pretty fun and I convinced myself it might be an exception

>>20865233
Good to know anon.
I was thinking about reading that.

>>20865245
Gonna try to push through to the end tonight since it's short, so I'll let you know if it changes my mind. I don't have high hopes right now.

>"Honor is dead. But I'll see what I can do."

Before reading a lot of fantasy this year I didn't realise horses were considered such fighters.

Is horse fighting still a thing? I'm guessing people don't train warhorses anymore but idk. I want to see a big destrier double tapping some planks of wood like kids do in a karate dojo

>>20860794
Speaking of which, any good books with cute witches?

>>20865275
I hope that bitch gets bone cancer. Both for being a misandrist as well as a Sanderson fan.

>>20865349
thhhiiiiiissssssss need recs

>>20865367
>>20865275
Imagine all the people, living life in peace.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
But I'm not the only one.

>>20865349
The dread empire

>>20865416
there are like 3 or 4 dread empire series

>>20865493
The Dread Empire by Glen Cook

>>20865349
>>20865517
The black company too, but not until the last few books.

STAR WARS IS SHIIIIIIIT! SHIT I TELL YOU, SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!

what's some good sexy sci-fi?

>>20865568
Asking the important questions

You know what I like about fantasy? There are no books for male coomers since men are visual creatures. That shit's for women. We see 2 circles and a triangle and we can jerk off to that more easily than words in a book.

Why does everybody in a Vance story/novel, even the most brain-dead and illiterate peasant, speak in a verbose and eloquent style?

>>20865586
i don't want a serious hard sci-fi story. it could be, but what matters is that it's sexy.

>>20861288
Anyone who says this shit willfully doesn’t read Robin Hobb

>>20861748
fuck off

>>20865620
I'm so glad I gave her books a second chance. A few years ago my mum gave me the assassin's apprentice, I read about 20% then forgot about it. This year I tried it again and loved it then read the rest of the elderlings series.

She's one of my favorite authors now by far.

>>20865608
I think because he writes in a style similar to Medieval romances in that he never describes a character's inner thoughts. He has to make dialogue descriptive and interesting in order to give adequate life to characters.

>they changed Shallan's VA in RoW graphic audio.
wtf bros......

All women are whores

>>20865233
I did not change my mind.
I'll start by saying, I barely understand why the author created the interesting premise of the book, since it is clearly extremely uninteresting to her. Better, by far in her mind, is to put a group of incredibly unlikeable people together and have them all partake in high school social politics for a year. It all gives me intense flashbacks to Another Faust, which was equally uninterested in the powers its main cast had been given except to observe how they might be used to torment one another.
I was also constantly frustrated by the author's incredibly narrow worldview. The cast is diverse, of course, but in the sort of surface level way that suggests they don't really know anything about the countries they're pulling characters from. Reina stands out the most to me, nominally a native of Japan, but with all the personality of a second generation immigrant who grew up on the West Coast and the inevitable chip on the shoulder they so often seem to carry. Yes, perhaps within the population of a hundred million, there really is a Japanese woman who has no respect for authority, has a misanthropic American's sense of civility, and is revulsed by the power of blonde hair to spread global Western hegemony. But they're pretty fucking rare. And at the point where you're really just writing that girl you knew in high school, how have you actually added diversity to your book? Is her yellow skin really enough?
The other cast members are equally infuriating caricatures of twitter leftists (with the exception of the blonde man, who is the sort of caricature created by twitter leftists). Our girl from New York, when first given the opportunity to enter this competition, tells another character she needs to run it by her boyfriend. They just leased a place together, she'd just graduated and they would have been starting their life together; there are of course logistics to figure out. And then she goes home and tells him "You can say you love me and support my decision to do this, or you can say something else," and when he spinelessly responds "OK, I love you and support your decision, but please be careful, I would never forgive myself if you got hurt," her immediate thought in response is, and I fucking quote: "...she groaned. Just the usual white knight shit, then." What a bitch!
All I can say in the book's favor is that it is quick to speedread, if you choose to. Little to no action ever occurs, it's largely just chapter after chapter of the Chosen Six talking to each other about the Chosen Six, and all their little insufferable personality quirks. Sometimes they philosophize poorly to add to it. What a miserable book to finish.

>>20865646
should've had travis baldtree voice it

>>20865233
>>20865798
what premise could be so great that you'd read this shit desu

>>20865878
There's a secret society with access to a magic library that contains all of human history. Every ten years the six most brilliant magicians in the world are chosen as possible initiates into the society, but only five are allowed to join for real. So presumably you'd get a nice magic school competition thing going. The six people all have interesting powers, which was encouraging, one dude literally has the power to see the true nature of the world as it is, rather than its Gestalt. There are brief, so very brief, moments where the author uses these powers in interesting ways, and then immediately goes back to having the characters bitch at each other.
I feel like the scene that best summarized the book for me is when two of the magicians bend the laws of physics to, for the first time in history, create a black hole. This all happens in the background, as the focal character yawns at how dull it is and continues his plotting to bring one of the other characters into his clique.

Fantasy for the man who has given up all hope of happiness and is simply waiting for death?

>>20865909
Should've read FSN fanfics instead. Sad!

>>20865997
I'm in the midst of reading a korean webnovel which I'm enjoying a lot more, but I had spare time today to swing by the bookstore and figured I'd knock a few things off my to-read list. Final Girl Support Group and The Book of Night I was able to cut just by reading a few pages, but Atlas Six baited me.

>>20865524
Are those NIPPLES? On my Christian board?

>>20860653
here we fucking go

have a good day guys except the arrogant asshole

>>20865869
Kill yourself with a hammer, Baldtreefag. I won't tolerate that faggot in these threads.

>>20866069
>is the most beautiful of the primarchs
>the "ful" in Fulgrim means ugly
What did they mean by this?

>>20866268
Primarch babies probably look gross.

>>20865983
anything
thats kind of the point of escapism
hope you feel better anon.

>>20865983
Malazan because good luck finishing that.

>Read the Chinese version of Western Fantasy
>It’s a schizophrenic boiling pot of typical Wuxia/Xianxia and Western Fantasy

It’s like reading a Western Xianxia where you have Chang Steven Commodus the half-step Dominion realm cultivator.

Reading Chinese Western Fantasy gets you wonders such as Archmage Jimmy or Chad the half-step Great Knight, or something along the lines of Billy, Rank 4 Archer. The gist of the matter is that Chinese authors always seem to choose the most inappropriate name for extremely powerful/important characters. Imagine naming the Emperor of your world-spanning empire Snyder or Joe and his house name Sneed, so you get Emperor Joe VI Sneed, the Rank 9 Warrior.

Reviewfag, do you recall whether you read the first 100-or-so chapters of LoTM, or the first 200-something? I know you read the first volume, but there are two categorisations of the story's first volume; the one set by webnovel/Qidian that states that it ends at 100 chapters (so they can monetize the rest of it), and the one that ends a bit after chapter 200 that the author himself regards as the first volume.

>>20866364
Went with the author's recommendation - believe Volume 1: Clown ends around chapter 212?

>>20866358
>Sequence 1 Conquerer - War Angel Medici
>Sequence 1 Worm of Time - Angel of Time Amon
>Sequence 1 Key of Stars - Bethel Abraham
>Sequence 0 Visionary - Adam
>Sequence 7 Nightmare - Dunn Smith
>Sequence 1 Black Emperor - Emperor Roselle
idk bro, seems to me :^)

>>20863496
Your review was much more informative than mine. But I do like highlighting negative aspects for the fun of it.
I of course only read your first book review, because I don't want to get spoiled. I think you gave it a fair assessment, despite your bias. I agree that the book felt like a commentary on the decision made in the prologue. You definitely saw echoes of the same decision being made again and again in other people's stories. Getting slightly different angles on it, from people with differing life experience.

The sex scenes didn't even feel like sex scenes. It was just the build up to sex, and then skipped entirely to the aftermath. It was just an aspect of these people's relationship. I don't think the scenes are even worth commentating on. As the mere mention of them will give people the idea that they're more than what they are.

I don't have a number rating like you. I have "dislike", "indifference", "liked", and "liked a lot". And I liked this book. I can't say I liked it a lot, because all the posing really was distracting. And I don't feel like the concepts the book presented were fully explored. So I think my rating of the first book will be augmented by how the story progresses. If the latter books explore more fully the concepts of the first book, then I'll look at the first book more favorably.

>>20866376
Stop spoiling lampoons

>>20863607
I called Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser good, actually. It's just not a format that I'm comfortable with.
Honestly, their series is better than what you knucklehead deserve.

>>20865623
No, you fuck off with that shit.

>>20866376
that’s just Lord of Sneeds, which is Bloodborne/Victorian esque, I’m talking Western Fantasy that primarily takes place during a middle age period of time.

nothing chinese is worth reading, thanks

>>20865517
Bragi is one is probably my favorite fantasy character of all time.
Exiled viking turned mercenary that double crosses employers turned general turned king that actually cares for the country. Talks down to uppity wizards. Many children and wife after wife.

Books like Lyonesse, gentlemen?

>>20866421
Get with the times, our new favorite webnovel Reverend Insanity has been all the buzz lately

>>20866572
So true.

>>20864679
>How is it described?
only after the fact, the girl tells about it to a friend. it's not explicit at all, it's like "they took me as a woman even though i'm not a woman yet"

it's handled how wolfe always handles things, somehow the heavier things in the story are never explicit, you read about them and the realization of what they mean only hits you after one moment later. it's one of the things that he is a genious at

i'm remembering another sexual thing that wolfe wrote in a short story, where a guy rapes a girl and maybe something else but you only really know what happened after the fact when another guy finds the body and very briefly describes it

>>20864880
>he wrote a little girl being raped into the story unnecessarily
how so? it's not less unnecessarily than when they stopped by the river to drink or when a beggar in the street asked them for something to eat, it's just part of the setting and the natural progression of their story. it would be a completely different story if the soldiers hadn't captured them or if deep down they were jesus christ incarnated and they had chosen not to rape her

Anyone read this series? It's a slice of life sci fi about life on an interstellar merchant vessel. First book was pretty good but 2nd book was turbo cringe. It was like a poorly written porn book. 3rd book is okay so far but I feel like it's wasted potential. If the protag wasn't an expert at literally everything he did with no prior knowledge (including seducing women) it could have been a lot better.

I tried China Mieville, and I'm not sure I like him. Perdido Street Station was a crazy ride and very good, Iron Council was also very good (frequent gay sex notwithstanding), The Scar was basically just a retelling of 20000 leagues, but it had it's moments. The Kraken was just boring. Should I go on?

Why is there not a single youtube book reviewer with any kind of taste in fantasy beyond shitty YA or Wheel of Time circle-jerking?

>>20866661
Because they want to make a living and unless they talk about whats popular they don't get any views.

>>20866666
>these digits wasted on such a boring post

>>20861578
You have to remember that most people on this website now are election tourists still in their teens trying to fit in by hating every minority group they can think of. Every board is hateful, /lit/ is just significantly less bad when it comes to obsessive hatred of trannies and jews compared to the others, so its hatred of women is much more pronounced.

>>20861578
I loved Piranesi. Le Guin is overrated though.

>>20866657
You read four of his books. If you're not sold, it's time move on anon

>>20866657
you don't have to read every single book of an author

>>20866402
No, YOU fuck off with that shit. Go back to seething about Tolkien and keep your dumbass opinion to yourself

>>20862275
Sarah J. Mass writes the exact kind of stuff. It's just porn for women, that's all.

Yup and they eat it up, i must admit her books are a guilty pleasure for me. That and Anne Bishop.

>>20863507
I've got it on my wishlist, but its been heavily recommended by people which is a red flag for me straight away.

I'll pirate it and let you know.

Heads up that if you post the Rothfuss comic in this thread now, you get banned from all boards.

>>20864811
>>20864909
Absolute brainlet takes.

>>20866657
I liked The City and The City a lot and thought Perdido was too lolrandom.

Is Mark Lawrence worth reading?

I want stories about knights
either historical or fantasy
not necessarily multi-volume earth shattering clashes of good and evil
but more small scale

>>20866812
GRRMs Dunk and Egg, old Conan and Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser are good examples of what I mean

>>20866812
The best is of course Don Quixote

>>20864811
Fantasy only becomes better as it ages, because the farther back you go, the less poisened is the writing by modern liberal and feminist notions. The less likely you read anything written by a woman, too.

>>20866769
For one, I can't read older sci-fi without constantly telling the author, "dude, you got it all wrong". The modern tech stack like the web, smartphones, CCTV facial recognition stands out like a sore thumb against the sci-fi genre.

>>20866817
>because the farther back you go, the less poisened is the writing by modern liberal and feminist notions.
are you triggered?
> The less likely you read anything written by a woman, too.
Evangeline Walton, C.L. Moore, Leigh Brackett, Andre Norton, Ursula K. Le Guin

>>20864811
>>20864909
>>20866851
SF is not about predicting technology

The Honor Harrington series would be perfect space navy cheesekino if the protag wasn't the author's dream wife.

>>20866924

>>20866924
>14 volumes about one woman
oof

>>20866924
To add an insult to injury, the author has a garbage taste in waifus too.

>>20866812
The Knight
Ivanhoe
i think i've read a couple more but can't think of anything right now

captcha 0000X

What are the reasons for colonizing other planets in sci-fi settings?

>>20866972
Death cope

About to do another run in Stellaris, what sort of empire should I make /sffg/bros?

>>20867004
I have no idea but do the exact opposite of what you did last time

>>20866380
There's nothing wrong with highlighting negative aspects in an otherwise positive review. I think it's important to do so even.

I think I mentioned the sex scenes at the time because it's something that some people tend to feel strongly about regardless of how they go, both ways. There are those who refuse them entirely and those who almost require them.

I only use the numbers for consistency with Goodreads. For short fiction and any other media I use descriptors. You present four of them. If you had on one more, it'd be five, which is roughly 1-5 rating score.

As I said, I liked the poses because they were interesting way to inflect language. It's probably mostly the novelty, so I didn't find it distracting at all.

The four books are basically a standalone + a trilogy. That's how I saw it anyway.

>>20866972
Usually they've already been colonized by the time the story starts and it's either just because they could or for metaphorical reasons.

Is malazan worth reading?
I want magic like it's in DnD and uses often

>>20867029
Malazan is the best but it's also the worst
Read it all

>>20867004
how is that game supposed to be played? i always get bored in the midgame and start a new run. just started a hivemind now but it doesn't seem too interesting

>your protagonist isnt a sword cultivator

Authors, explain yourselves

>>20862247
Why is that list mostly generic shit like "racist" and "sexist" alongside incredibly specific things like
>did blackface and spoke in gibberish to pass as a foreign dignitary
>stolen a story from a news article about a girl who was abused
>defended her friend that said "you can't copyright ideas"
>mispronounced names at the Hugo Awards
>wrote qbout a kiss in Anne Frank's house
>named a black character "Shaniqua"

>>20867289
Is it so surprising that espousers of political correctness would have varying degrees of autism, or some other developmental disability, to lead them into nitpicking books They Don't Like?

Why do ugly suicidal trannys hate Brandon Sanderson?

>>20867289
>did blackface and spoke in gibberish to pass as a foreign dignitary
Unfathomably based

Sudden assault of procrastination resulted in a binge reading of Beneath the Dragoneye Moons, one of the more known Litrpg webnovels. Three and half days of non-stop reading, ~4300 pages in 8 books. Sigh. It was definitely a journey, although one I have mixed feelings about. Not surprising that the story is popular considering the amount of effort and passion put into BtDM, but it's definitely catering to a niche group of readers, almost anti-thetically to common litrpg readers at times.

[Setting]
BtDM tells a story of a reincarnated young woman Elaine (female MC is already a strong divergence from the common Litrpg template) who retained some of her knowledge of biology and medicine, being born again on Pallos, in the republic of Remus. The setting is strongly inspired by early Rome, but with dinosaurs and jungles. While the combination is definitely inspired and the author is thorough in his world-building, overall the elements don't make a lot of sense in terms of society and culture. The weirdest aspect of the story is misogyny and the treatment of women, i.e. they cannot be citizens and are treated as worse. Normally it wouldn't be a problem, but not only it falls apart due to it being Litrpg where women are not weaker than men (and the average length of life is pushing 250 due to Vitality statistic that almost everyone are heavily investing in), but the story has multiple women being in positions of high status and power, which is frankly absurd considering the setting. Even the slavery doesn't make sense, as even if stats like Strength and Dexterity are important, it's the Class Skills that do most of the work, making most of the slaves vastly inferior in their jobs compared to free workers.

[Story]
Setting aside, the story isn't particularly interesting most of the time. Since childhood Elaine intends to become a Healer, a conviction that is solidified due to a mistake in treatment which kills her childhood friend, resulting in Elain swearing an [Oath] that forbids from attacking any sentient except for self-defence. She's also compelled to heal anyone that is hurt, even her enemies, if they are no longer danger. In exchange, all of her healing powers are massively empowered, making her an extremely powerful [Healer], especially in combination with her advanced biological and medical knowledge. Eventually she runs away from home to join Rangers, an elite organization of soldiers that protects the Republic of Remus.

(part 1 of 2)

(part 2 of 2)

[Litrpg System]
It's a mixed bag, on one hand the story strongly draws inspiration from other webnovels, resulting in a diverse and somewhat interesting System of Classes and Skills. Each class can use one element, and sometimes even advanced element combining other (i.e. Fire, Inferno, Radiance, Dark, with advanced like Void, Mirage, Pyronox or Miasma). On the other hand, the story suffers strongly from the author's attitude and 'humor.' It's one of those stories where the protagonist will have Skills with puns or jokes. It's a hit or miss, with overwhelming number of misses in my experience. The system is very gamelike, everything is done in the system, which I personally dislike (I believe Systems should amplify already existing skills and talents, not BE them). Bigger accomplishments = better rarity of classes. Run-of-the-mill for the genre.


[Protagonist and Characters]
Definitely the most controversial aspect of the story. The main character, Elaine is theoretically a reincarnated person that should be whatever age she is + ~18 she'd lived on Earth, making her already around 35 years old in the first book. Alas, she acts like a scatter-brained childish fool most of the time, the most immature protagonist you can imagine. If sunshine-type scatter-brained character type is not up to your tastes, you are not going to like it. I personally merely tolerated it. The characters are bad, some might even be interesting. The dialogues and the voices definitely elevate the story a bit, making it one of the story's minor strengths. It's nothing amazing, though.

[Conclusion]
BtDM has many qualities that elevate it above the common litrpgs, the passion and effort is obvious. However, the author definitely took many short-cuts, undermining his work in some regards. Inconsistent world, unbelievable cultures. weird mish-mash of ideas borrowed from other stories...The story doesn't hide it, it bears its inspirations proudly, but in a way that exhausts the reader. The story would definitely be more popular if not for the protagonist, but then it might have just been yet another bland Litrpg. It's better to be niche than bland, and the story definitely cannot be called bland.

There are many flaws and questionable choices made by the author, especially the ones at the end of the Book 7, I'm considering even dropping the story due to new story-direction, but I'll give the author some time to convince me to continue reading.

Beneath the Dragoneye Moons, 7 books in one go, overall opinion:
6.75/10

>>20867373
>female healer protag
I'd drop that on page 1

>>20862015
Last 5 books of the Amber series. Lots of stuff about a sorcerer dabbling in realm of Chaos

>>20867373
>The characters are bad, some might even be interesting.
Correction, It was supposed to be 'the character aren't bad.' I'd say they were above average, actually, with some very interesting ones like 5 thousands yers old Vampire that was not born but created at the beginning of the world, when gods created the world and started spawning creatures left and right to fill it. Interesting concept, a pity the author couldn't make more out of it.

>>20867372
>BtDM tells a story of a reincarnated young woman
Stopped reading there.

>listened to the whole Harry Dresden audio books
>it was 10x more enjoyable than reading the books
I've been looking at Jim Butcher wrong all this time... he's not meant to be read. He writes pulpy TV show scripts, so you need a different medium to enjoy his stuff.

>>20867455
GRRM also writers his books like TV Scripts he'd been making for most of his live, yet almost everyone praise his writing craft.

>>20867455
You could give the reader a little credit.

>>20866661
Is Wheel of Time actually popular? Seems like such a mediocre series that couldn't possibly have staying power. The male-female dualism doesn't seem like it'd be something that would go over well with the younger generations either. Not to mention the boomer tier bickering between the sexes. "Light, women!"

>>20867455
I watched the Harry Dresden tv series and it was nothing like the book (it was much worse). Butchers books and writing is nothing like a tv script.

>>20863517
>74% woman
WTF? We really live in differen't worlds don't we? I barely know current female writers.

>>20867577
All white women, forming a fucking clique to impose Marxism on everyone else

>>20867577
That's publishing, not writers. You can see the subcategories above. But writers are probably similar.

>>20867591
>white

>>20867577
>WTF? We really live in differen't worlds don't we? I barely know current female writers.
>>20867591
Most of books are romances, which are written and read almost exclusively by women.

>>20862015
LMAO if only the King in yellow wasn't romance soap opera

>>20867577
>>20867598
Can't find data for the entirety of US publishing, but Penguin Random House did a survey that breaks down the demographics of their "contributors" (their umbrella term for writers, illustrators and other creatives). Unsurprisingly even contemporary writers are majority female, at least at Penguin. As per usual with these diversity surveys, Penguin's takeaway is that they need to publish more "people of color," however. Underrepresentation of men isn't worth mentioning to them.

>>20865349
I'd just like to bump this anons request :)

>>20867372
>>20867373
Love to see these long form reviews, keep at it.

>>20867558
Yes. Unpopular series don't get amazon adaptations

>>20867821
>Love to see these long form reviews, keep at it.
Thanks, Anon. They are great both for releasing the steam after reading something and to practice english.

>>20867825
Well, it already struck me as weird Amazon would adapt it. But I figured it's entirely possible they were just shopping around for cheap unused fantasy IPs in order to bandwagon on the GoT wave, such as it was.

You can only read ONE SF series in your entire life.
What is it?

>>20868187
I don't read sci-fi

Jack Vance really likes mentioning wine doesn't he

>>20867558
It has a television show, moron.

>>20861774
Irony: The Post

>>20868369
>X took a breakfast of sweet honey-porridge, ripe pomegranates, and tart plum wine. She supped wistfully under the pagoda as the-
He loves describing any meal. Usually reads something like that.

>>20867591
I hate it when retards use words they clearly don't understand.

My mate and I are going to do a jolly read through of The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, and then The Lord of the Rings. We are both quite familiar with Middle-Earth, so we're thinking of doing a little pre-reading beforehand of some of Tolkien's influences (Beowulf etc). Are there any suggested Norse/Celtic myths that would enhance Tolkien for us? Or any other proto-fantasy/mythological pieces for that matter?

Business idea: fantasy retelling of the penal transportation/colonial history of Australia?

>>20868674
I'm a hundred percent sure I've read this, but I can't for the life of me remember when or what

>>20868674
Why does he look at (presumably) the referee (or Ausfag football equivalent) like he has done nothing wrong?

>>20868660
May as well read Tolkein's translation of Beowulf and Mythology by Edith Hamilton.

>>20868700
5th amendment rights

>>20868535
He also describes objects as "wine red"

>>20868849
Men will literally make a hundred similes rather than learn the word "chartreuse"

>>20868884
Chartreuse is green dumbass

>>20868895
Woman detected

>>20868700
Because hes done nothing wrong? kicking and punching is part of Australian football

>>20867175
because stellaris is a game about mindless blobbing. Building tall is akin to cookie clicker and leaders, government types, species, and diplomacy don't matter. the game hints at depth in the empire creation screen, and in its long list of DLC, but it never really stops being a tree with many branches, but the branches never extend very far.

>>20867455
Helps that the voice actor is really good, and adds a tone of layers to the characters with his narration. First Law is like that too. Far better to listen to than read.

>>20868700
He was put in a self defense situation.

Rec spoopy fantasy.

>>20866812
David Eddings' Elenium series
Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions
that edgy guy is probably going to shill "The Red Knight" at you

>>20868660
Silmarillion is a unification and summation of almost all European myth.
>Mabinogion
>Arthurian legend and Robin Hood ballads
>Homeric epics, Hesiod's Theogeny, Plato's dialogues
>The Song of Roland, and Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando saga
>Beowulf and the Heliand
>the Norse eddas and Volsunga Saga
>The Ring of the Nibelungs
>the entire Holy Bible
and that's just the tip of the iceberg, that's to say nothing of the actual artifacts Tolkien, as a polyglot Oxford scholar, would have had access to, chansons de geste nobody's ever heard of and scribbles in the margins of illuminated manuscripts and who knows what else

>>20869729
The Throne of Bones

>>20869779
Not only have I read that already, but it twas I who introduced it to the general. You're welcome.

>>20869759
>/sffg/ troglodyte reveals his power level

>>20869817
Nobody cares about your posts, anon. Stop linking them here in an attempt to get attention.

>>20869817
Fuck off, Bakkercunt.

>>20869808
Yet another pretender to the Throne of Bones throne.

>>20869839
Did you also get aroused at all the ghoul sex?

ghoul sex? downloading now

what happened to the link that used to be in the OP to some huge archive anon made reviewing various authors? I remember it looked like a rather old site and he gave gene wolfe and lord dunsany 5/5. it was entertaining to read

>>20870076
Based.

>>20870087
If you care enough you can open the archive link in the OP and easily and quickly go back a few years to find it. It was almost surely a random website not made by anon though. I could spoonfeed you, but I won't.

>>20870216
newfags shriek when you recommend that they use the archive

>newfag
>Referencing OP from years ago
Uhhh

It was mostly included until late 2019, among various other links, until I took over making the thread for a while and changed it into its current form which has been the same more or less since then.

>>20870087
>>20870216

>>20870244
If you haven't been here since the day /lit/ began, then you're new, to some anons anyway.

>>20870238
Anons in general don't tend to be interested in anything outside of the current thread thats linked or referenced.

>>20870332
Yeah, that’s why we keep seeing the same questions being asked.

>>20870341
I think that's also because many feel that there's something qualitatively different about getting an answer from a live thread. That it's more trustworthy, perhaps because they're being responded to rather just reading what had been posted.

>>20870304
Why did you remove it, wtf

>>20870358
Except almost all the answers is the same in the end.

>>20870360
It was garbage full of woman authors

>>20870366
We get it, you're a repressed faggot, you don't have to say it in every thread. We know already.

>>20870360
Because reasons
http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

>>20870364
That's true, but I don't know that it matters.

>>20870375
Stupid coomer, you will never understand

>>20870391
It really does matter.

>>20870380
neat, looks like it got updated. I respect this guys opinions

>>20870391
>>20870364
>>20870358
Aren’t the questions just shit that’s been constantly? Like Wolfe, Tolkien, etc. I think just checking the archive would be better since I really doubt you’ll get any different response.

>>20870395
I agree, which is why I meant for them.

>>20870405
You get it but the newfags don't, and thus, they shriek when the archive is suggested.

>>20870396
Should've bookmarked/favorited/saved it then.

>>20870405
I think the main reason overall that those that do simply can't be bothered, even though doing so would provide what they want.

>>20870423
I don't see any shrieks

>>20870426
>I think the main reason overall that those that do simply can't be bothered, even though doing so would provide what they want.
Same reason why they ask question they can find if they bother to use a search engine. They're just lazy and don't really care.

>>20870453
>They're just lazy and don't really care.
or they want to discuss the question with a human being instead of reading off a list written by someone that is less likely to share the same tastes

>>20870462
I don't know if you're being naive or disingenuous. Most posting here is those pushing their own taste without the slightest regard to what would be suitable for others.

>>20870471
>Most posting here is those pushing their own taste
that is the point of a recommendation
all anyone can do is suggest what they like, I don't have your brain or know you personally so anything more precise is difficult
regardless, who cares as long as we're talking about sf/fantasy and having fun

why does dying earth have a male character named liane

>>20870452
Browse the archives. :)

>>20870471
>I don't know if you're being naive or disingenuous
That's the go-to excuse for why they don't browse the archives: They'd rather have somebody, personally, give them the answer to a question asked dozens if not hundreds of times elsewhere. It may be an ego thing, in addition to the laziness factor anon above mentioned.

>>20870481
Sure, but it's all too often the same few memes in response to everything. Read Bakker, webnovel, xianxia, or whichever else regardless of the context or suitability.

>>20870524
you give recs then

>>20870531
Check the archive or the charts on the OP.

>>20870531
I try to facilitate that.

>>20870533
no wonder people like the faggots that rec bakker and webnovels more than you
post better

>>20870552
I mean, not him, but they should really specify what they want and not ask for vague recs,

>>20870552
>being this disingenuous
Jump off a skyscraper.

>>20870557
the very specific requests usually don't exist
see
>>20860794

>>20870238
Man this is a weird perspective to me. I still think of both the archive and the catalog as rank newfaggotry

>>20870570
Arguably that's vague because that anon didn't explain what he meant by that either time he's posted it.

>>20870665
I think it's his second time posting that request.

>>20870663
What wouldn't be to you?

>>20870670
hence the use of the phrase "either time"

>>20870700
I guess I think of screencaps as the correct way to collect communal knowledge. If it wasn't important enough for someone to save to their computer, it's better off disappearing into the ether. These threads are meant to be ephemeral, temporary. Your linguistic tics being identifiable via an automatic archive is off-putting to me

>>20870721
How many screencaps of posts do you have?

>>20870731
>>20870721
Personally I've always seen screencaps of posts as asserting the primacy of the current thread above all else and as a form of authoritative meme'ing. Certainly not as collecting communal knowledge.

In that same vein, the very concept of generals had a lot of initial resistance because thet aren't ephemeral or temporary. One could even argue there shouldn't be any communal knowledge at all. That each thread is liking starting anew.
>>20870721

>>20870780
Yeah, I still wish we didn't have generals and people just made threads whenever
>>20870731
I have a folder dedicated to them

>>20870819
Are all of them posted by others rather than you screencapping?
I won't be continuing this convo into the next thread.

What is the cheapest legal way to read tales of a dying earth
It's 10.99 for kindle

>>20870238
>>20870700
Moot talked about it the archives before. He said he understands why they exist, but he's not a fan of them. In his vision, the site is meant to be ephemeral. I bet the other anon heard the same talk from Moot. That's probably why he used that term. So if you want to argue what a newfag or oldfag take is, well I think that arguing in favor of archives is the newfag take.

Personally, I've used the archives plenty. Because it is convenient. But I understand not wanting to use it. Since you're supposed to commune with your fellow anon. If you're getting sick of repeat questions, then that's probably just you being a snobby asshole. Or alternatively, you're spending too much time on the site, and you need to take a break.

>>20870835
I don't make screencaps that often, but if I see someone post a good one I make sure to save it for posterity. I have none of my own posts capped, and wouldn't want any of them.

>>20870839
Repetitive questions are one of the things that generate community shitposting. "Start with the Greeks" is a prime example

>>20870839
I guarantee you the current newfags who shriek about the archives don't know who the fuck moot is.

>>20870868
I guarantee that the vast majority of anyone still using the site don't remember any of the early individuals involved aside from moot. That's not a bad thing depending on how one views the site. Maybe in its ideal form all are equally anon regardless of what they know or how long they've been here. The users being as ephemeral as the threads.

>>20870836
It's not illegal to download things off libgen. You know Macmillan is the Maxwell family right? Why would you give those baby raping kikes money? Pay Vance's family at Splatterlight Press or don't bother.

>>20870984
>theft isn't illegal
What's an intriguing proposition.
Don't respond.

>>20870989
Go ask on your favorite social-aggregate.

>>20870989
It's not theft and it's not illegal. It's not illegal to use sites that stream anime and cable TV shows either. Show me judgments.

>>20871019
For which country?

>>20871036
The one you live in

>>20871053
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1852-copyright-infringement-penalties-17-usc-506a-and-18-usc-2319

US
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/11/minnesota-woman-songs-illegally-downloaded
PDF of ruling is linked in the article.


https://www.npr.org/2012/08/27/160091839/illegal-dowloads-follow-teen-into-adulthood-court


Canada
https://financialpost.com/telecom/media/massive-infringement-movie-rights-holders-are-suing-illegal-downloaders-and-winning

Japan
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-04-11/man-arrested-for-downloading-anime-games-manga-in-japan

Japan is especially serious about this.

I can provide examples for many other countries as well and more recent ones.

New thread
>>20871092

>>20871083
Literally all of those punishments are for the sharing, even though retarded news outlets always ascribe it to downloading