/lit/ - Literature

>>20856255
He said very tame stuff. The breaking of contract is undeserved. That said, only idiots do a live streaming and say stupid shit.

>>20856255
>Do he deserve this?
it's not a justice thing. why would penguin (a publishing house in 2022) want a brand risk

>>20856255
>Do he deserve this?
Yes. How dumb are you to air your dirty laundry for everyone to see? Especially when you become successful? How did he not hire an image manager/social media manager or consult one?

Before you become a famous writer, just delete your old tweets, delete old messages which make the mainstream crown insane. We live in sad times where we can't express ourselves.

>>20856255
LOL I went to his instagram live and posted that he's doing it again.

Dumbass.

All this proves he's not at all based, a true chud would be hypersensitive to potentially cancelable material in a way that a normgroid could never be.

>>20856255
>Penguin books breaks a contract with him
According to the story there wasn't a contract to break:
>“We do not have any more books under contract with John and will not be working with him in future,” said the publishing house.

>>20856255
Meh. If you choose to make a living in the spotlight than you accept being at the whims of public opinion. So yes, he deserves it, not because what he said or did is wrong or anything, but because he failed to adequately perform when the spotlight was on him.

>>20856304
This. The cult of cancelling is self defeating in a way because all the truly cancellable people are too clever to say out loud the shit that’d get them cancelled. All this is doing is attacking dumb midwits

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>>20856414
PragerU bros...

>>20856414
Nobody gives a fuck about "consistent principles," and why should they? The Left for years has been willing to betray every single principle they have in the name of gaining power and advancing their agenda. The Right is just learning to do the same, now.

Politics is pure nihilism and the sooner people learn that the better. Americans are dumb because their nation was founded on ideas, so they cling to these really dumb principles that have been proven false time and time again.

>>20856434
>whataboutism
Not an argument
While I agree with you that Americans are retarded

>>20856440
Arguments are for losers, winning is all that matters.

You should read Machiavelli.

>>20856440
Europeans are much more retarded. Imagine creating the dumbest child yet known, watching as it becomes even more insane, then eventually allowing your raving, incoherent child to behave as if it were the parent as you slip into an increasingly passive dotage.

>>20856414
>>Confesses that he loves pissing women off
I don't see him asking for the state to intervene, he raises awareness about an issue for other users to boycott. There's no inconsistency.

>>20856443
I did and I refuse because all is meaningless in front of the one true god that is logic
>>20856445
Meds. Unironically because your post is completely incoherent

>>20856457
Meds

It's ridiculous. Publishers want authors to have social media clout, they practically demand it. But they lose their shit if someone is just the slightest bit politically incorrect. The clear and obvious solution is to do the exact opposite of what they're currently doing, and publish authors without any social media. But noooooooo, we can't market your books for you! You have to do it yourself, in a wholesome, entertaining, inoffensive way that gets you millions of followers. Oh, is that all?

>>20856545
That’s because the book market is dying. Publishers barely have the money to promote anything anymore. Unless you’re a big, we’ll known author, you even have to do the proof reading and editing yourself. This is capitalism and the future Americans always dreamed of

>>20856558
Why did America have to exist? Why couldn't God have cursed humanity with Cthulhu or something instead?

>>20856255
This is exactly why you should shut the fuck up. Always, I repeat, ALWAYS keep it to yourself

If anyone here gets famous or published: do not livestream, avoid interviews, hold your fucking tongue for once in your life. Nobody wants to hear your god awful opinions or edgy jokes, it's just going to ruin your career and any semblance of artistic intention

>>20856590
>implying anyone on 4chan will ever achieve enough in life to make people care enough to cancel you

>>20856613
>Implying i can’t get published one day

>>20856255
Retards are not owed a platform to spread their bullshit on.

>>20856304
This. A true chud follows the rules.

like everyone else here, i have a detailed plan on how i'm going to comport myself in the court of public opinion once i'm famous, strategies to stay elusive, lines already rehearsed to deflect questions about current events and hot button topics. now i just have to write a great novel or something

>>20856261
>>20856287
>>20856304
>>20856380
>>20856590
>>20856672
You've willingly assimilated into a system of censorship and you're all cowards because of it. The reason things are the way they are is chiefly thanks to meek pussies such as yourselves.

>>20856825
>Be smart enough not to say shit in the office that'll make you lose his livelihood
Nooooooooo you can't do this!

>>20856261
>>20856286
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>>20856657
Never complain about how boring and sterile contemporary culture is because it's these kinds of attitudes that create this milquetoast world we currently live in. Your complacency causes this.

>>20856844
The issue is that this line accomodates crazy women (most of whom sane women despise more than men).

>>20856255
No. They fall for the fallacy that creatives are like women in terms of birth, equally capable of an equally hard task. Creatives are rare. Very very very rare. Rare that Caravaggio was given a blind eye as a pimp rare. This is not to say creatives are special at all, but that creatives are rare and they give to society something unique and they typically can't behave properly for the entire duration of their lives. I think of this as typified in the comedian TJ Miller who is, for all intents and purposes, one of the greatest comedians America has ever produced and we lose that because someone had a bad night. DFW throwing that woman out of a car is like this, where the creative mind has a thought and the thought runneth over so to speak, and so you get bad behavior. If Dante were cancelled for adultery, would we have been better off?

>>20856255
Author's opinions/bad takes and quality of his books are 2 totally different things, he doesn't have to conform to norms to say something original/meaningful or to write good stories. Hence, this shouldn't have happened but it was an obvious result of his actions so he reap what he has sown.

>>20856850
>>20856825
Break the rules in your art, not on some bottom of the barrel social media platform where you blend in with every other screeching retard sharing their shit opinions and tastes

>>20856908
Cope. You're wrong the rules are dumb.

>>20856917
Enjoy fucking up whatever you originally planned to say. Not many people are good at public speaking either, so you'll probably fumble your words and come off like an idiot

Should have just let your art speak for itself

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>>20856990
Interviewer: What did you mean by this?

>>20856414
I get constant PragerU ads on YouTube.

>>20856825
Following the rules is the real revolution, larper

>>20856825
>You've willingly assimilated into a system of censorship
First, you need to understand business. Second, you need to understand that just ranting like a dumbass on Instagram about dumb shit and saying stuff like "women want to sabotage men, you know I'm right" gets you rightfully fucked. Besides, someone called "meal prep king" isn't /lit/ material, so fuck off with this to either /ck/ or to /pol/ since it's a thinly-veiled reactionary thread.

>>20857187
How dare you use your fancy common sense against my favorite chud dindu

>>20857187
>reactionary
Just say '/pol/'

>>20857194
What's the chuddery? If it's all shit evident in his work, why did they pursue anything with him initially?

>>20856255
Retard. Has he not been paying attention the last couple of years? Keep your fucking mouth shut and let your work speak for itself. That way whatever they accuse you of, they can't actually prove because you framed it in the context of art. This is tantamount to giving them a signed confession.

Lol what I do pretty similar stuff but my leftie friends don't mind. I deleted all my social media years ago and I'm not a public figure, though.

>>20856590
Another thing you should not do is date women. Get married or go gay but dating a woman or even talking to them in this climate is only going to get you in trouble.

>>20857461
>I deleted all my social media years ago and I'm not a public figure, though.

Seems good. I’ll do it next year.

>>20856414
They are not the same case. The cake debate isn't about selling a cake that is already made to a customer who happens to be gay, but about making a custom cake. In any business you have the right to reject a customized service. Otherwise it would be forced labor. Here Prager U are simply asking to use the Youtube service in equal terms of everyone else. They aren't forcing youtube to do any customized work for them.

>>20857461
I use messenger but not facebook. No other social media.

>>20856255
Why do people post dumb shit on social media? Is it that hard to shit your damn mouth? Talk about enough rope to hang yourself.

Authors should learn something from this.

>>20857704
Yeah I do use messengers, didn't count them for whatever reason

>>20857707
I know I would. Actually I did, when I still had facebook. Had the constant desire to ruin my reputation or to offend people. So I think he had to expect this kind of reaction. Maybe he did? I don't really know him. Did he whine about it? If yes, I don't want to know him.

>>20857784
>Actually I did, when I still had facebook. Had the constant desire to ruin my reputation or to offend people.

This! Same with me. I stopped because i realized how stupid it was.

I bet the person who reported him wasn't even angry about what he said.
It was probably some roastie who was never published who was just envious and wanted to bring him down.
Happens all the time.

He should call penguin retarded and start trolling all the females there.

Also, if you're not willing to get in trouble, you will never be a great writer.

But what if I'm Native American? Then can I get away with calling women dumb whores?

>>20856590
What a pathetic way to live.

>>20856362
It isn’t really public opinion though. Most of the public doesn’t give a shit about banal stuff like this. Elite opinion however gives very much of a shit. Shouldn’t conflate the two

>>20856590
This is the best advice in this thread. No one *needs* to share their retarded opinions about faggots, women, trannies, the blacks, or the "thing" of the day on social media. Keep your fucking mouth shut, and you'll see nothing but success.

>>20857824
>But what if I'm Native American? Then can I get away with calling women dumb whores?
Yes, because no one gives a shit what you people have to say, so you're free to say what you want.

Can’t speak out against Leviathan alone, doing so only harms the cause. Have to be quiet and subvert at least a few power institutions before going loud with counter-cultural material. That or wait for a crisis to break up or confuse the censorship/control apparatus

>>20857084
but anon you're a hard alt-right trump supporter, who already watches Stephen Crowder and Sargon on Youtube

>>20856255
>>Acts controversial on social media
Just don't do this. Why do normies keep falling for the trap of social media? It's the equivalent of going into the town square and shouting your retarded opinions for all to hear. The result would be the same.

>>20856825
>>20856850
>Everyone should spout their retarded options and air their dirty laundry where everyone can see it without any consequence because if you don't it's literally censorship!!
It's all so tiresome. Think of it this way: in the past if someone was to publicly post their retarded opinions there are consequences too. The most notable is the protestant reformation and I guarantee anything this moron said isn't as important.

>>20857948
I see some ecelebs like andrew tate saying shit all the time over social media and they don't get cancelled though. I guess it really is a matter of how much influence you have to not be overpowered by some dumb twitter bitch reporting your wrongthink to your contractor

>>20857963
>andrew tate
Who?
ecelebs
Are you complaining that someone who makes money on a platform by purposely being an obtuse moron can't lose his job like someone with a boss and an actual job being the same obtuse moron?
You can't fire the clown for clowning.

>>20857976
They’ll be deplatformed and demonetized sooner or later. You can’t go against political correctness and expect to survive

>>20857816
Great writers get published. They’ve always had to stay on the side of political correctness. There’s a reason there’s no great American communist writer that we read and study today.

>>20856255
This thread is so tiresome. Cancel culture isn't real. It's accountability culture, and it has always existed.

>>20857983
You are retarded. The show will continue as long as they make money. Joe Rogan makes money so the show will continue. Tate makes money so the show will continue. They are playing a character. The only way they get cancelled is if they stop making money or say something so egregious they can't survive it and even that isn't the rule. PewDiePie literally called someone a fucking nigger on stream and was untouchable because he makes the platforms so much money.

>>20858001
Isn't Tate getting deplatformed from TikTok?

>>20858006
I doubt it, but TikTok is a private company anyway. They can do whatever want. Their business, their decision. No one has any right to be platformed.

>>20857999
account for this *shoves penis in you are anus without consent*

>>20857976
No, it's not only ecelebs and rich people like Elon Musk. Anyone who lives outside the western sphere cannot be canceled for this.
Verified chinese accounts keep shitting on American and nigger culture on twitter and they keep working tomorrow. Have you ever met a Chinese person who works for someone who's not chinese? Our society is cannibalizing itself

>>20857991
I said great writer, not a great, published, American author. Also, Lovecraft and Thoreau come to mind to disprove your argument. Sell your soul to mammon, but your work will be forgotten.

>>20857875
It's called looking out for yourself, junior
>>20857999
This is a post-truth society. Are you dense? People will believe any dramatized news headline or tweet from their favorite youtuber

If you're an entertainer or trying to become an artist then don't be fucking stupid. Art and literature are often tainted by poorly inserted political views, moralizing, or just snobby opinions. If you shut your fucking mouth you could make a living off your work forever. Hell you'd even be shrouded in mystery, everyone will remember your name long after you're dead provided you shut the fuck up

>>20858133
>If you're an entertainer or trying to become an artist then don't be fucking stupid. Art and literature are often tainted by poorly inserted political views, moralizing, or just snobby opinions. If you shut your fucking mouth you could make a living off your work forever. Hell you'd even be shrouded in mystery, everyone will remember your name long after you're dead provided you shut the fuck up
If you take everything said in this paragraph and invert it, this becomes a genuinely good tip

>>20857999
nigga, cancel culture is an extension of accountability culture. No one argues "let people say garbage without consequences" We say that losing a career for an Instagram rant is a bit much. They don't even care about an apology or anything, they just hate for the sake of hating. How's that not real

>>20856255
he's a cookbook author. so off the bat i feel like this post is a little bit misleading. you made it seem like he was an important writer. he's not an important thinker or some enfant terrible. any moron can make a cookbook. i don't see why i should give a shit that penguin broke his contract. based on a quick google search it seems like he got famous off tiktok. shouldn't he be savvy enough to understand that you can't just go on a drunken rant on a live where you say intentionally inflammatory things about people? he just sounds like an idiot. i mean really in this situation, what is penguin supposed to do? a big part of his publishing deal was probably calculated on the assumption that he had a built in audience for his book (i.e. people trying to lose weight, women, etc.) -- so when he says something intentionally to piss off a large part of his audience, that would probably affect the calculus of how many books they could sell. as to your question.... what are you saying is happening here that's such a big deal? a business is protecting its financial interests by removing itself from one of its partners who was doing something to actively damage its financial interests. maybe i could be convinced otherwise but the idea of freedom of speech i feel like goes both ways. people should be able to say what they want-- that includes saying they don't like it when people talk shit about them.
>FAT PEOPLE ARE MAMMOTHS. I LIKE TO PISS OFF WOMEN
>hey, i don't like how you said fat people are mammoths
>WTFFFF NOOOO I'M BEING CANCELLED

like should freedom of speech only apply to people who talk shit / say inflammatory things in the first place? anyone who disagrees with them is "cancelling" them?

also the guy looks like DJ Dougpoundd lol

>>20858261
Agree with this.

>>20857540
>YouTube isn't trying to rape and divest everyone
Hahahahahahahahahahajshahaha

>>20856255
Remember: DO NOT engage with social media, especially if you're someone of note.

>>20858261
smart anon

>>20856908
>Break the rules in your art
you won't get published for the same reasons you retard

>>20856255
Penguin is private corp and they can break contracts if they have reason to believe having such author could negatively impact them.
Twitter/tiktok/instagram whatever is private corp too, and they can delete any chud incel shit they want. Disagree? Create your own mastodon instance or this neonazi twitter clone forgot how its called.
Another thinly veiled polfag thread, nothing to do with literature, you never even read this guy book, you assume its worthwhile cause its male (if it was tranny and published by penguin you would mock publisher for it. Even this Samantha Browne whore is penguin pulished).
Saged and reported fuck you

>>20858651
>Saged and reported fuck you

>>20858708
Top kek!

>>20857069
Hark how they roar; but never turn your head
Nothing will change them, let them not change you.

This minor incident is a revealing moment, a real sign of the times. The real, tacit metapolitical structure of society right now is the following:
>nothing matters, everybody is a mindless identical worker-consumer unit
>but you're supposed to be happy and "well-adjusted" to this
>your relation to eons of past culture and history in which this was NOT the norm should not even be one of scorn or derision, we are NOT living in a revolutionary break with the past, but an evolutionary, progressive one - somehow ancient rome and christian europe and the scientific revolution all led inexorably to you reading a men's fashion blog on a portable television during your 15 minute break from selling horseshit to retards
>your relation to other times and societies, to the past and human nature in general should have the same bovine complacency and benign neglect as the "well-adjusted" person's unperturbed contentment with all things
>you should be able to live with the cognitive dissonance that you are a soulless bug with no passions, but also see and portray yourself as a "fun" "adventurous" person because you go "cafe hopping" on "(play)dates"
>again, you are not a PROUD PUSSY who is OVERTHROWING CENTURIES OF MISGUIDED TOXIC CULTURE, so there isn't even a moral zeal you can tap into to make sense of this contradictoriness
>you just have to live with the contradictoriness and the falseness and phoniness pervading everything in this milquetoast rump reality at the end of history
>overseeing it all are the ones who are best "adjusted" to it, who seem to take to it naturally: women
>again you can't think or even say this (this makes you poorly adjusted)
>but you also have to simultaneously think it correct and good (to propitiate your overseers and stay in their good graces)
>there is no more "good" or "evil," not even "bad," there is only "oooh that's not very well-adjusted of you to think/say"
>there is no more zeal, even about not being zealous, there is only soulless, placid contentment and consumption
>if you step out of line, even in some small way, society reacts with something like an immunological response
>the squeeze is put on you indirectly through your livelihood and reputation

What characterizes all this? All of this is an essentially FEMININE way of living and thinking. Women don't care about contradictions or cognitive dissonance, they specialize in it. They simply pave over contradictions with emotions. A woman is never lying, because lying implies truth covered in falsehood. Femininity is all shifting ad hoc falsehood all the way down. Likewise women don't have zeal or drive, they specialize in contentment and mediocrity. This is why women are the natural overseers of the current society, why they gravitate upward into positions of soft authority and social capital. Then they further structure society in feminine way, bit by bit, systemically seeping into everything.

This is a roastie's world now, we just live in it.

>>20858916
I'd say this is based, but there's a chance that saying so might destroy my career in the future.

>>20856908
This is how one should do it but I don't think you can get away with much there either.

>>20856255
>Do he deserve this?
Penguin is trash. He is garbage. No one gives a shit.
>Anyone who loves reading philosophy can’t hide from this discourse
Take your pop culture trash and stick it up your retarded ESL ass
>>20858916
>tl;dr
It's not the roastie's world, it's the same as it always was. There are haves and there are have nots. The have nots used to be distracted by TV, not they are distracted by social media. And you are one of them. The fact that you don't matter, says nothing whatsoever about society, or the modern or anything, only about you, not mattering at all. But here you are spouting your inane trash, like you mattered, and so you have an outlet and feel a sense of agency, so you continue slaving and bickering with the other slaves instead of actually doing anything whatsoever worthwhile

>>20857999
>meanwhile centuries ago
>witch-burning culture isn't real, it's called accountability!

>>20860103
>tldr
>writes fat ass paragraph that says literally nothing
mad

>>20860128
>Killing people with fire and calling some mong making an ass of himself in public out on it is totally the same guise!
When will you trite mf'ers die off?

>>20860141
>w-we're just calling you out
fuck off chud

>>20860133
>Reading comprehension
>Projection
Lurkmoar

>>20860146
I have not part in your identity politics spamshit
Fuck. Off.

>>20860151
>newfag
>"Let me tell you why /pol/ is actually NOT heckin based"
you are stupid

>>20860161
>"I know you are what am I"
Piss off now

>>20860166
take your own advice and lurk for a while

>>20860180
I already told you to fuck off back where you came from

>>20860141
>a large group of NPC's go out of their way to try and destroy someone for no reason other than mob mentality and irrational moralism with no basis on anything whatsoever other than "the dogma says it le bad"
Yes, it is the same.

>>20860141
Being rendered forcibly excluded from the economy is a fate worse than death.

>>20860182
Kill yourself tranny.

>>20860141
Being forcibly excluded from the economy is a fate worse than death.

>>20856255
>successful author
>motherfucker published a cookbook
Go shill your e-celeb crap elsewhere you disingenuous faggot. This isn't /lit/. At least try and find a literary author for this stupid bait thread

>>20858167
Like I said, don't shout your stupid ass filler opinions out in public. You'll just look deranged or autistic. Express it some other way through writing

>>20858631
>plays it safe with art
>gets nowhere
>goes on dumbass political rants and rambles about his gay opinions
>nobody wants to be near him

>>20860141
>calling someone out
No one cares about that you disingenuous faggot. There are hundreds of examples of people having their careers ruined or sidetracked by inane comments or lesser nothings. Two off the top of my head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hunt
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/rosetta-comet-scientist-matt-taylor-apologizes-his-shirt-n248796

>>20856990
Who wrote this?

>>20856825
You're 100% correct. And all of the "Just comply bro" retards here probably aren't old enough to remember that this isn't a new concept. Successful artists, creators and athletes have been saying controversial shit for years and getting punished for it. It's almost a requirement for going down in history as one of the based ones.

Bobby Fischer, one of the most legendary chess players in history, was vocally anti-Semitic and regularly cursed people out. For a more modern example, Magnus Carlson also has meltdowns all the time.

Some directors like Michael Bay and Quinton Tarantino are known to show up late, curse people out on-set and in public, and explode at their own whim--but nothing bad ever comes of this because they're too successful. The same goes for JK Rowling and Notch, the creator of Minecraft.

What makes this guy an idiot isn't speaking out, just speaking out while relying on Penguin. One should wait until they're too successful to cancel before challenging the horde head-on.

>>20860319
Except if your opinions fit in with the zeitgeist then you SHOULD spread out your opinions as much as you want, right?

Fucking hypocrite enabler.

>>20860506
capt robert graves for his daughter

>>20856255
He looks like an asshole and is more successful than me. Ergo he deserves this.

>>20856825
Right—SJWs are masters of astroturfing. Everybody thinks they’re fucking crazy but are afraid to act.

>>20856255
>author

anon, self-help instructionals are not literature

>>20862284
what do you mean? the definition of author is literally "a writer of a book, article, or document"
The term author has nothing particularly to do with literature

PragerU is also the enemy.

>>20862469
when you post about something happening to "an author" on a literature board you are counting on people assuming it's an author of literature. you are misleading people by omission because you know you would only get a fraction of the replies if you admitted from the start that he writes cookbooks.

>>20857983
you are a genius anon

>>20863235
Instagram is a private company. You don't have a right to be platformed if you violate the terms of services. Simple as. That's how capitalism work. If you don't like it, then I have plenty of theory books I can recommend you though.

*gay nerd voice*
It's a private company bro, they can do what they want dude, that's just capitalism bro, heh heh heh

Bump.

>>20863235
so what this really means is meta just gave tiktok another exclusive? are bay area social media execs all nepotism hires? how can they lose so bad again and again?

>>20863319
Isn't he banned from tiktok too?

>>20863325
ye he is

>>20856255
Just get a different publisher if you can't control yourself. Don't do stupid shit if you're not willing to get hit

>>20863250
Show me the list, anon. Give it to me hehehe

>>20863250
Hey man is there like a third position we could try rather than gay capitalism or gay space communism? Wasn’t that mustache painter guy trying to come up with an alternative?

>>20856255
Until people start using non-digital printing presses and distributing their books themselves in public places without expectation of recognition they will continue to be at the behest of corporate regulation. This is neither good nor bad, it is simply how business operates. If one were to bypass this, it would require an entirely non-digital method of book binding, publication and distribution.

>>20856255
You gotta understand companies most of the time do not care about what their employees or client say. All they care about is money. And because mostly liberal, obese, female landwhales buy books the company made the right descision to save their profits by letting go of this guy. Again, it has nothing to do with what he actually said ; Its all about reputation.

>>20857991
>Steinbeck
>Hemingway
>Baldwin
>Vonnegut