/lit/ - Literature

Everyone have a nice thread. Everyone enjoy your respective authors.

Was Gene Wolfe a genious? To this day the layers of complexity and symbolism present in BotNS surprise me, and the fact that everything was writen in such a short amount of time is honestly amazing. One of the best cycles I ever read, and it partially ruined sci-fi/fantasy for me.

>>20850683
Who

anything good on kindle unlimited?

>>20850737
Depends how you define good. You can read all of cradle on KU. Along with milf kino like trysmoon saga. There’s a lot on there, but the quality varies wildly.

>>20850766
is trysmoon saga good? Im not really into milfs

Read Haggard

>>20850656
Pleasantly surprised by this LitRPG. It has some elements of Xianxia/Wuxia - with cultivation, sects and grading things by low, mid, high, etc. But it is fundamentally a LitRPG novel and not Xianxia.

The absolute best thing about this series though is the MC is not a FUCKING smart alec. I can't count how many, otherwise good, LitRPG series I had to drop because the wise-cracking MC just became too much. There's hardly any pop-culture references either. So, no MC constantly reminiscing about bacon or some other reddit-tier meme. There's minor video game mechanics mentioned, but that's about it.

Make no mistake: this is lowbrow LitRPG fiction. Don't expect to read a literary masterpiece. The author is constantly using "Luckily," and "Suddenly,". Sometimes both in one sentence. The MC also has "danger sense", and is constantly lucking into treasures. This is explained by him having a high luck attribute.

Lastly, the MC is mostly dickless. Even up to the 3rd book he hasn't banged yet. He doesn't even try to start a harem. He is strictly about getting more power.

All the faults are worth it to me though because the MC is actually bearable. The most he will do is roll his eyes whenever someone annoys him. Too too many good LitRPG series were abandoned because the MC would not stop try to be a fucking comedian.

>>20850832
Yes this falls solidly into the autistic murderhobo mc catagory. It’s pretty enjoyable, but know that going in. The first book is also probably the worst in the series so keep that in mind.

>>20850851
>murderhobo
I think this is the 2nd I heard this term in relation to this series. I disagree. He has a conscious and there are multiple examples of him having an internal dialogue about not wanting to kill indiscriminately just to get stronger. Something I agree with after being disgusted by Reverend Insanity's MC.

>hobo
Also he has a home. Which he is trying to protect by getting stronger. He is not trying to get stronger to reach the peak of the Heaven's, etc. He has a practical purpose for getting stronger. Both Humanity and his hometown is under threat of invasion from the multiverse.

>>20850737
shit's already free nigga

So what causes such a descrepency in epub file sizes?
Its not page count, thats for sure.

Its not like they are big enough to matter, I'm just curious. Some longer books under 1mb then have shorter books at like 4-6mb.

Favorite sword in fantasy?
Mine's Anduril, Flame of the West. I love the design they used for the films.

>>20850832
>>20850851
>>20850873
If you read, enjoy or discuss any of this drivel then you're the kind of subhuman filth that's killing the fantasy genre

>>20850873
He doesn’t get his home till what the second? Book? The whole first book is him murderhoboing with bare minimum dialogue. He does develop a bit later but even then with the splinter of oblivion in him he still retains murderhobo instincts when the plot demands.

>>20850915
stormbringer

>>20850930
After reading Brandon Sanderson, I hope it fucking crash and burns, motherfucker. He fucking ruined Matrim Cauthon, among other things. He is the epitome of the wisecrack smart-alec humor that makes me wish to blow my fucking brains out.

>>20850931
About 3/4 through the 1st book he gets his own town.

>>20850915
Nightblood

>>20850930
If there is no lowbrow mass appeal fantasy, there will be no fresh blood of readers to read the more demanding titles. Sandy is a gift to the space.

>>20850683
I think so. Like Joyce, he was a hard working one, he managed to write Book of the New Sun while working full time

>>20850915
Terminus Est

Any good books for weapon porn? Like detailed descriptions about the weapons the characters use

>>20851101
haven't read them but I'd be shocked if those books Shadiversity/Shad Brooks wrote weren't filled with that kind of stuff

>>20850906
Embedded image files usually.

>>20851101
KJ Parker’s Engineers trilogy?

It’s not particularly good though imo. But a lot of people like it.

>>20851101
Guns or swords?
The powder mage series although its not great has lots of gun porn

Master and Mage's series also has a lot of gun porn, and its better than the powder mage series actually. Lot of sword porn too.

>>20850930
This poster was none other than Meng Hao!

>>20851149
medieval basically

>>20851202
Master and mages is, idk, but guns are just getting popular. Much fighting still done with various bladed weapons too.

I found myself googling a lot of sword names to see what they looked like.

>>20851101
>>20851202
The red knight has lots of this

>>20850915
Tyrfing, the plot breaker

After five months of daily reading, I finally finished volume 3 of The Wandering Inn.

10 volumes to go.

>Poor Silk.

Books with amnesiac protagonists besides Latro and Amber?

>>20851366
Bastion by Phil Tucker

How can anyone enjoy litrpg? Wouldn't the rpg elements take you out of the story by killing any authenticity the plot has. The entire concept of leveling up is inorganic.

Do zoomers even care about authenticity anymore or is everything to them is an extension of their egos.

READ CRADLE

>>20851366
The Rook

>>20851395
Jesus dude, imagine caring this much about what people read, especially when it’s people you don’t even know nor care about. If that shit really bothers you, to the point you have to make a post about it, you need to get off the internet for a while. That shit is legit mentally unhealthy.

>>20851395
I don't really see how quantifying stats with numbers is inauthentic. It's just numberwank for the kind of people who would have obsessed over the precise number of people Rama could kill in the Ramayana back in the day. Some people like that in the same way some people like Tolkien's obsessive worldbuilding. I don't care for either, but it's not like they're an obstacle to character development, thematic consistency, or clever plotting. But maybe I don't understand what you mean by authenticity, it's an imprecise word

>>20851395
I like reading about being underlevelled and having to grind for 6 hours.

>>20851419
I enjoy the idea of writing a LitRPG
But realistically I'd rather put my nutsack in a miniature woodchipper than play accountant for a million words of webnovel

>>20851407
Your post smells fake.
Hoe can anyone on /sffg/ be this much of a gigantic faggot?

>>20851439
Shillbros he's on to us, Big LitRPG is gonna fire me for this blunder!

>>20851395
Street Cultivation imo is fine the story/character sucks but the System isn't why.

>>20851395
There is traditional fantasy with litrpg magic system, stats, numbers, etc and there is a kind of shitty "slice of life" fantasy where pacing literally follows the plot and the events of an actual rpg computer game. I can read the first but not the second.

Anything similar to 'Who Goes There?' by John Campbell. Seen the Thing movies. Not interested in the comics.

>>20851569
There are various authors who wrote their own version. One notable example is The Things by Peter Watts which is told from the perspective of the monster.

what are /sffg/ thoughts on Shadowmarch by Tad Williams?

>>20851389
The Bastion shill lives. I was worried about you man, where'd you go?

>friend convinces me to join his 5e D&D game
>reading through the players handbook
>Appendix N
>the name of the wind
>a song of ice and fire
>wheel of time
I haven't the words. If this is what inspires the writers of current D&D modules, I want to get off this ride before it starts.

>>20851652
Recommend non-garbage, non-trash D&D games for true inspired trad pilled gamers.

Might I suggest The Wandering Inn?

>>20851720
Play literally any ttrpg system other than dnd

>>20850332
>If there’s something that bothers me about GRRM’s grimdark, it’s that he writes it in the style of an American soap opera (as he writes all his work): tawdry, grisly, lurid, spectacular. Bakker’s descriptions of atrocities mass rape etc. are actually quite restrained and evocative in comparison, and as a consequence come off as far more disturbing and horrifying. As such things should be.
If anyone, even for a moment, thought that ASOIAF is a grimdark...they need to sit straight and start reading books, because holy shit they are utterly divorced from reality. Sad and tragic things happening in a story don't make it Grimdark. READ. ANTOHER. BOOK.

>>20851720
>Dungeon Crawl Classics.
>Old-Skool Essentials.
Literally all you need

>>20851744
You may not.

>>20851720
run an old gygaxian module

>>20850832
>Pleasantly surprised by this LitRPG. It has some elements of Xianxia/Wuxia - with cultivation, sects and grading things by low, mid, high, etc. But it is fundamentally a LitRPG novel and not Xianxia.

I don't know at which book you are right now, but DotF is fundamentally a Xianxia, not a Litrpg. It might have looked like that at the start, but the further it goes the more apparent it is. Not as if it was a bad thing - DotF is top 3 best xianxias I've read, the worldbuilding is incredibly vast and interesting, the cultivation is explored in depth and width no other story I've read even attempted to. In many aspects DotF is better than even Cradle. Of course it has its own flaws and certain weaker arcs, but overall it's great, especially as of late.

>>20851300
>After five months of daily reading, I finally finished volume 3 of The Wandering Inn.
>10 volumes to go.

I know it's a troll posting, but TWI is actually quite fast to read. You can binge the first volume in a day, and the rest shouldn't take you more than a month of dedicated reading.

>>20851395
>How can anyone enjoy litrpg? Wouldn't the rpg elements take you out of the story by killing any authenticity the plot has. The entire concept of leveling up is inorganic.
>Do zoomers even care about authenticity anymore or is everything to them is an extension of their egos.
Maybe instead of asking dumb questions you took one litrpg story and started reading it? Try The Wandering Inn or Dungeon Crawler Carl and learn for yourself.

>>20851717
Bakkercunt is loose again.

>>20851771
Bad recommendation. Gygax's game and module design was informed by his buttfuck insane 50-games-a-week proto-greymarches game mastery schedule where most of his players were hardcore wargaming munchkin fuckers that did everything in their autistic power to break the game
Tomb of Annihilation was a perfectly reasonable logical evolution of his dungeon design FOR HIS PLAYERS, but abso fucking lutely not for anyone other than a hardcore 10ft-pole-worshiping meatgrinder grognard

>>20851786
you vill roll a new character

und you vill be happy

>>20851789
>writes II after the name of current character

>>20851795
-10 horse points

>>20851783
He's not praising it though

>>20851825
Not the OP, yes. Check the rest of the thread.

Just finished pic related, and I enjoyed it a lot.
It has two protagonists. Usually I don't like multiple PoV's, simply because one is always better than the other. This story sidesteps that issue by making both PoV's very close together and very much interlinked, often even simultaneous. The protagonists are Edmond, who is a very resourceful, very driven Alchemist pursuing a goal, and Augustin. Augustin is a landborn noble upjumped to a captaincy in an Imperial frigate because his mother slept with the Admiral.
Despite the way he acquired his position, Augustin is a very respectable and competent soldier, albeit a rookie sailor. The story picks up with Augustin, patrolling forbidden waters, encounters Edmond and two hired hands, in a fishing boat in the middle of nowhere. When Augustin has his crew attempt to arrest Edmond and his lackeys, Edmond surprises them by intentionally sinking his own boat.
Edmond is an alchemist. In this series, Alchemy isn't so much (pseudo)scientific, but rather a form of ritual magic. By combining the right ingredients, in the right fashion, with the right will, one can make an offering to powers beyond for certain boons. Just don't fuck it up or you get eaten.

The waters are forbidden because, unknown to Augustin, there is a Tomb below the sea, a Gods tomb. Edmond has spent nearly a decade searching for, and every penny of his fortune trying to gain access to this tomb, in the small hope that he will find within the means to bring his wife back from the dead.
Instead, he find a decidedly not dead Goddess. Mirastious is the goddess of secrets, and she offers to tell him the secrets he needs to bring his wife back if he frees her from her tomb and helps her reclaim her powers.

Fun read. Edmond has a little bit of Jack Sparrow in him when seen from the perspective of Augustin, who is a good navy lad (basically Norrington but not a cuck) chasing a heretic and tomb robber. This is contrasted by the same scenes from his own perspective, where it's obvious Edmond is flying by the seat of his pants, and it's all bluffing and desperation. Lots of cat and mouse, a bit of swashbuckling, a bit of world building.
Heartily recommend.

>>20851628
i personally did not like it:
> there are too many "chosen" characters, their supporting cast is weak, the author's wank over their interaction is obnoxious
> midway through the series it becomes a caper with cutesy, small talking animals
> the writer makes the story as he goes along, the retcon is jarring, for example, in the first book, the main castle is besieged and the mcs are trapped, in the beginning of the second book, there is a nearby island retconned in and the cast get away when the plot calls for it, not necessarily dependent on the story thus far
> hardened criminals (the author goes out of the way to highlight the hardness) end up simps or weak-willed when the story calls for it

ultimately, i did not finish the series, it starts off with some promise, but it gets tiresome half-way through book one, when the animals appear on stage, it transforms to full-blown twee

>>20851648
I'm not a shill, just like it and want a sequel

>>20851924
that said, there are some winners in the series, the faerie lands, their cities, wilderness and their inhabitants are fantastic; williams could have focussed on those aspects more as they were the pinnacle of the series for me

Who is the best incarnation of the Eternal Champion and why is it Ereokse?

PotterCon is the place to be
It is a place where they wear 8-foot scarves
It is a good place to buy overpriced merchandise
Teenagers flock there to smell their own farts


[Chorus]
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom

[Verse 2]
Harry Potter will make you dumb
They serve made-up words
They serve transphilia
They will make you hate (((muggles)))

[Chorus]
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom

[Verse 3]
Harry Potter fandom is the worst
They are worse than Twilightfans
A Harry has 26g of fat
A Black Hermonie has 28g of fat

[Chorus]
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom
Harry Potter fandom

[Outro]
Rock over London
Rock on, Chicago
Wheaties, breakfast of champions

Are you guys excited for a Tolkienless LotR?

>>20851980
QRD? I like blue women

>>20852073
They only continue late Chris's proud tradition of endlessly reselling the contents of Tolkien's waste paper bin.

>>20852075
That's just shading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erekos%C3%AB

>>20852099
I'm more excited for the Amazon Prime Studio amendments.

The advent of the finale to the epic Kingkiller Chronicle is upon us! Rothfuss can’t stop BTFOing the /sffg/ trannies! What are your hopes/dreams/fears for the Doors of Stone?

>>20852107
Amazon rules supreme, whether you like them or not.

>>20852148
Source?

>>20852150
>So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.” That takes a huge chunk of lore off the table and has left Tolkien fans wondering how this duo plans to tell a Second Age story without access to those materials. “There’s a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to,” McKay says. “As long as we’re painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don’t have the rights to, there’s a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with.”
>“We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age,” Payne says. The duo cites songs like “The Fall of Gil-galad” or “The Song of Eärendil” or Fellowship chapters like “The Council of Elrond” and “The Shadow of the Past” or the “Concerning Hobbits” section of the prologue as sources for significant lore dumps. Beyond the premiere, there aren’t, however, any significant time jumps or, thus far, episode-long journeys to the past. The rights to the First Age material from The Silmarillion are still owned by the Tolkien estate.
>“We worked in conjunction with world-renowned Tolkien scholars and the Tolkien estate to make sure that the ways we connected the dots were Tolkienian and gelled with the experts’ and the estate’s understanding of the material,” Payne says.

>>20852167
Sauron and Amazon will dominate Middle Earth, while Hobbit manlets rage and scream while the orcs rule supreme.

>>20852165
source: dude trust me

>>20852165
>ARHHUUGTFRYRDERRE IT’S NEVARR GOING TO BE RELEAS-ack
https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2

>>20852189
Literally said the source is the publisher and editor which they do factually share. Idk if I believe it personally, but she has a source

>>20852190
Andrew Tate will link up with Bakker? wait, is this real?

>>20852148
The craziest thing to me is how he's been tagged for so long as the greatest upcoming fantasy writer in our lifetimes, and he's only written 2 books and a couple of novellas in 15 years. In fact, this is still on the front page of his website:
>THE POWERFUL DEBUT NOVEL FROM FANTASY'S NEXT SUPERSTAR
I'd expect "Fantasy's next superstar" to actually write books.
I enjoyed the first two, but not enough to lose any sleep over waiting for any more in this series, or even enough to read the two novellas.
For some perspective, NoTW came out in 2007. Since then, I've experienced:
>1. The birth of my youngest daughter
>2. All four of my kids learning to drive
>3. Graduating 3 kids from high school
>4. Sending those same three kids to college
>5. Graduating one from college and off to a job
>6. My wife and I celebrating our 25th anniversary
>7. Family vacations to the Outer Banks (twice), Disney World, a Disney cruise, Worlds of Fun, and local amusement parks
>8. Countless kids' field trips, track and cross country meets, tennis matches, musical concerts, etc. and those are just some of the highlights.
It might be a fun exercise to compare where you were in 2007 to where you are now and see how far you've come without "Book 3".

>>20852167
It's going to be like those old tabletop RPGs and that Shadow of Mordor, in that they have to fill the gaps of their rights with deliberately nonsensical bullshit in order to make sure nothing appears to be taken from the works they have no rights to.

>>20852218
For some perspective, The Prince of Nothing came out in 2003. Since then, I've experienced:
>1. The birth of Bakkerchaddery
>2. The overthrow of Sandi's rule
>3. The establishment of Bakker's empire
>4. Bakker ruling supreme
>5. Sandi's rage and scream
>6. Seeing him blowing steam
>7. Seeing him staining his pants with cream
>8. Failing to compete even in a dream

>>20852148
>>20852190
>>20852194
>>20852218
You fucking retards, look down that comment chain. She didn't say The Doors of Stone are getting released, only another 'book' in the series. Just like that short novella about the girl living under the university, Auri.
No, the third book in the series isn't being edited and published, at least not at the moment.
Idk if Mercedes was genuinely thinking it's that one or she's just old vicious troll. If the latter, she has my respect. Hope she writes yet another book with cat girls having sex, she's one of those solid authors.

>>20851935
I didn't mean anything by calling you a shill anon. I found you endearing and yoir posts were very comfy. I'm glad you're here. :)

>>20852218
>was a reclusive good-for-nothing college student in 2007
>am a reclusive good-for-nothing NEET now
Nothing really changed.

After last night's help I changed the dialogue between the anti priest and the rebellious mc who wants to follow the false messiah.

Eredrel:
Long ago, our people made war on the gods. We won our freedom. This, messiah out of the east, offers nothing but slavery.

>>20852218
Rothfuss will never make it. Even if he by some miracle finishes Doors of Stone, it will be lackluster and he'll be demoralized by the reception.

>>20852449
Didn't that already happen with his beta readers?

>>20850683
He was a normal man of humble appetites with immense imagination and talent, much like Shakespeare.

>>20852512
I don't even know anymore

sffg triumvirs:

Sanderson, good not great. Skills lie in his ability to create massive amounts of interweaving content, Stormlight reading like a long running serialized manga. A wortthy author.

Bakker, his grasp of historiography and philosophy give the antique brutality of his fictional world color and life. His wizards and knights behave like men of the ancient world would. Plots mired with seed and shit.

Wolfe, a genius hides inside a balding engineer. His sentences pull the reader through time and space as effectively as any memory. Plots and characters have the anxiety and unfulfilling nature of dreams.

>>20852543
What say we drop Sanderson and replace him with Steven Erikson?
>new content regularly
>books are of the highest quality
>Malazan is among the most massive worlds in fantasy

>>20852543
>>20852549
God I'm so tired of reading you faggots fellate the same handful of authors. Can you go more than 24 hours without publicly guzzling the nuts of men more accomplished than you?

>>20852573
Who do you want to talk about Mr. Failed Author?

Bakker > Steve Erikson

Simple as.

>>20852576
idk. Have you read anything interesting lately?

>>20852573
Wanna fellate Jack Vance with me?
>>20852585
Yeah, Antkind by Charlie Kaufman. But that's not really /sffg/

>>20852573
You will never be a woman.

>>20852593
With Jack Vance... it's not a choice.

>>20852593
>Jack Vance
Why is this edition of Lyonesse so fucking expensive

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B00C47DNQU/ref=sr_1_4?crid=Z6WKKJ5LBA5I&keywords=lyonesse&qid=1660746962&s=books&sprefix=lyonesse%2Cstripbooks%2C86&sr=1-4

I just read the first Lyonesse book by Jack Vance and it blew me away in a way no other book has since I read Hyperion more than 7 years ago. Hopefully the sequels are better than Hyperion's though. It almost feels like Lyonesse was written just for me, it fits what I want so perfectly. I love the detailed geographic and politics of the setting, the western European folklore and supernaturalism interwoven with mediaeval life, and the casual darknesses that are accepted as part of everyday life without complaint. I sort of wish the story had focused more on one character from start to finish so I could emotionally invest more, but each of the ~4 protagonists we got were all great to follow anyway.

>>20852617
Is he finally getting banned off the internet? he sperged so hard on every platform collecting permanent bans left and right, at this point the only viable option is telegram.

>>20851935
Bastion reminds the most weird book I wanna read the sequel to. I don't know if a sequel'd be good but it set it up REALLY well.

>>20852641
It's a limited production item for rich cunts to regift each other. They're a lot cheaper in burgerland.

>>20852641
I generally have a hard time finding copies of Lyonesse. Barely anything on eBay and abebooks doesn’t have good results either. Amazon also doesn’t have anything.

>>20852930
https://www.amazon.com/Suldruns-Garden-Lyonesse-Jack-Vance/dp/1619470918
https://www.amazon.com/Green-Pearl-Lyonesse-2/dp/1619470926/ref=pd_lpo_2?pd_rd_i=1619470926&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Madouc-Lyonesse-3-Jack-Vance/dp/1619470934/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=1619470934&psc=1

>>20853041
Those are the individual books. We're talking about the omnibus here.

>>20853044
https://www.amazon.com/Lyonesse-Jack-Vance/dp/0425068323

>>20851776
>but DotF is fundamentally a Xianxia, not a Litrpg. It might have looked like that at the start, but the further it goes the more apparent it is
It's a litrpg you vapid pedantic cunt. Go neck yourself. But you being a Wandering Inn fag, I'm not surprised by this behaviour.

For me? It's Inrilitas.

Intelligent, nihilistic, and a wicked sense of humor.

>>20852307
>>20852761
>>20851935
>>20851648
>>20851389
Bastion was bloated shit. There was no reason for that shit to be so long.

>>20850915
Sting

Was Gene Wolfe's themes of memory in his books influenced by G. K. Chesterton's "The Logic of Elfland" from Orthodoxy? I know he read Chesterton, but he also read Marcel Proust who had themes of memory of his own.
https://people.ucalgary.ca/~bjackel/misc/logic_of_elfland.html

>>20853258
Why did he do it bros? Why did he betray his clan?

>>20853391
bugman ultra-pragmatism

>>20851980
isnt he supposed to be a nigger?

>>20853383
gene wolfe is such a fucking hack holy shit
new sun is literally just babbys first dying earth story

>>20853511
JVIDF (Jack Vance Internet Defense Force) out in full force today I see

Today I finally finished Diamond, the first short story (of three) in The Memory of Sky, a collection of three novellas in the Great Ship series/universe/ship itself. It was about a boy who was 'sick' and thus kept indoors by his well-intentioned loving parents. One day, the bedroom door is unlocked and while his father works, his mother was strangely absent from the home so the boy explores his 'world'--a collection of huge trees growing upside-down from the ceiling of the 'world' where the 'sun' is below them in the center--for the first time, and shenanigans ensue.
I'm now a few pages into the second novella, The Corona's Children.

>>20853679
>dude jack vance invented the dying earth
fucking zoomer retards
fuck off

So I was reading Gardens of the Moon and dropped it as soon as I realised there were female soldiers running around and not one of them even got raped. Is there such equality nonsense in the Wheel of Time? I'm looking for a reasonable fantasy series I can read after The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings where the writer doesn't ask you to suspend your disbelief to such lengths. I don't even care so much about leftoid things like gay shit, but women wearing plate armour as though they were equal to men is the stupidest thing in fantasy. Plus they don't even get raped which is even more farcical, but I digress.

No fantasy series even compares to Tolkien.

Fight me.

>>20853935
Discworld.

>“Oddly enough, although I hate having COVID here, the two years of enforced isolation enabled me to get a lot more writing done, because I was doing a lot less traveling and public appearances and speeches and all of that stuff,” the 73-year-old said. “I’m making progress, but I’ve given up on any hope of predicting the end. Every time I do, I don’t make it and everybody gets mad at me, and there’s no sense. It’ll be done when it’s done. Hopefully, COVID won’t kill me, so we won’t have that issue. I do find it a little grisly, people speculating online about what’s going to happen to the rest of the books when I die. I don’t like to speculate about that. I don't feel close to dying.”
Martin's gonna pull through and finish his epos, right? Proving all the haters wrong

i want to get into scifi but i find the charts to overwhelming for choice. what would you recommend for a beginner space adventure or something cool. sorry if you get asked this question alot

>>20853964
discworld is funnier, I'll grant you that.

>>20853994
The Icarus Hunt

>>20853926
Wheel of Time has matriarchies all over the place and there are in fact female warriors in form of the Aiel Maidens of the Spear. On top of that the male Chosen One turns out to be a turbo simp who - while taking little issue with killing and executing fellow men - will cry bitter tears over every female victim of war and wants to spare the life of even the most evil women crossing his path. I say don't bother.

>>20853994
Hyperion is a good introduction to why most science fiction is garbage. Protip: it's because it focuses on doodads instead of the people.

>>20854000
looks cool. thanks.

>>20853926
Very poor bait. One of these days we're gonna have to euthanize Bakkerfags.

>>20853391
>betray

>>20853511
New Sun is basically all about how well written it is on a technical level. It's leagues beyond your average genre fare.

That ending fucked me up

>>20854027
what

what are you talking about, brother

Why do trannies hate Sanderson?

>>20853994
Don't read stuff from the charts because a lot of it is just a pretentious garbage in scifi setting.
Look for space opera or some standalone novels that are just fun to read adventure stories and don't preach all garbage.
Unironically read expanse the first two or three books

>>20853935
based

>>20853935
And no sci-fi series even compares to Triplanetary, the fuck's your point? There's as much point in drawing that comparison as there is in drawing a comparison between the significance of the earth's crust and a random stone building.

>>20854380
Shit I meant Lensmen
Triplanetary is just one of the books

>>20854380
Based fellow Lensmen enjoyer. Never seen anyone else mention it here.

>>20854339
He's a normie who produces sane, level-headed, optimistic escapist fantasy enjoyable for all ages - you know, the kind of foundational stuff necessary for a genre-based medium to keep itself from going extinct.

>>20853175
Better than Iron Prince

>>20854027
>tolkien
Wrote bedtime stories for young girls.

Real armed services in real countries with woke leadership still have huge problems with rape and women begging off pregnant after fucking the entire barracks. If you have female soldiers in your setting who aren't the village bicycle, they need to be incredibly dangerous or kept strictly apart from males. Anything else is a denial of human nature.

>>20854400
Then you need to lurk moar or stop being new.

>>20854526
Then stop reading shit. Iron Prince and Bastion are both shit.

How good/bad is the First Powder Mage Trilogy by McClellan?
Because of my work I usual look for Audiobooks which I can listen to while doing menial tasks and I stumbled upon the first book of the second trilogy and it wasn't too bad. Is the first Trilogy necessary to enjoy the second one? or am I fine with just continuing the second one

>>20853679
I noticed this is a common phenomenon, why are Jack Vance fans so defensive of their mid author?

>>20854662
Oh come on it's never discussed here.

>>20853924
Elaborate on this. As far as I am concerned, he did invent the Dying Earth sub-genre. Happy to be educated otherwise, but I doubt you'll even respond.

>>20854756
of course he invented the genre, it literally took his name from his book series The Dying Earth! I don't know what's wrong with that anon who replied to me unless he's counting Ray Bradbury nuclear annihilation shit

For hands of gold are always cold
But a woman's hands are warm

For Sandi's books are always shite
But a Bakker is just right

>>20854756
Vance took the setting from Clark Ashton Smith.

>>20854834
kellhus dies to no-god like a bitch

Some racist science fiction books, please?
And well, also some of fantasy?

>>20854849
Lovecraft is pretty much the only explicitly racist SF/fantasy author who has anything published
also there's all those alternate timeline books about Hitler or the Confederacy, but those are rarely written from the perspective or intention of being racist
there's also plenty of whiny nigger authors nobody's ever read who reverse the racism to be against whites

aside from that, pretty much all genre fiction authors avoid overt racism as a theme in their books unless its against some fictitious fantasy creature like bugs or lizards or orcs or something and even then it's almost never allegorical

>>20854705
Imo I liked the first trilogy more, just because taniel is based.

>>20853926
The Wheel of Time is genuinely the worst series I have ever read, like the characters are just so far detached from reality.

>>20854996
t. mute red-haired waif appreciator

>>20855087
it's literally a cautionary tale against feminists taking power

>>20853926
what you probably want is dark fantasy, but theres very little of it outside of bakker

>>20855087
wheel of time is based. It's about a man teaching women their place.

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/140131.Soulsborne_like_Reads
kino list

I know this is an oddball order, but is there anything that gives off a "dark magician girl from yugioh" vibe

>>20854473
he also produces regularly and on a clearly transparent schedule, something that's taboo for fantasy authors

>>20855239
>no bastion
it's like they didn't even try

>>20853935
I can't dispute that, because I never read Tolkien.

And I never will.

>>20855270
I'd rather wait a decade for a good book than read Sanderson's drivel

>>20855282
you're dumb and your levels suck

>>20855279
Stop shilling that piece of shit series. Christ.

>>20855283
Books with decades in between entries are never good

>>20855226
I mean I'm not into rape so much. It's the fact that there are women walking around in plate and mail armour swinging swords and shields and everyone in the world views it as normal. I guess I could get into A Song of Ice and Fire since I remember that being something more reasonable in-universe judging from the show, anyway. I'm just worried that it'll never get finished.

>>20855282
based smugposter

>>20852393
hey buddy I never even finished high school
I can one-up you in loserness, Been a NEET since I was 12 and now I'm 28.

Went to this guy Bakker's blog and it's all him crying about Trump. Yeah I'm not reading any of his nonsense.

Just started reading Abercrombie's Wisdom of Crowds and it saddens me to know that this is the last one I haven't read.

>just finished the first chapter of Dark World
I noticed this in back in Rogue World, but McGill is becoming a bigger redneck with each volume and I love it.

>>20855331
Don't listen to that other idiot about Wheel of Time.
There is heaps amount of context he left out.
1. The reason the world is matriarchal, is for the fact that women are the ones who control magic. While men who have the potential to learn magic are hunted and forcibly disconnected from magic, or otherwise killed. When women have all the magic, it only makes sense that they would be in the highest positions of power. However, that's only in the upper levels of society. Your average city person or country person still abide by typical male and female dynamics. Because they don't dabble with magic. Magic is rare. And so magicians are sort of apart from society, controlling it from their seat of power, behind the curtains. Everyone knows this, and fears them. So this magical matriarchy is depicted as something scary and oppressive.

2. The Aiel Maidens the anon mentioned are a sect apart from the other warriors. They are a strictly female only group, so they protect their own. On top of that, Aiel society is OBSESSED with honor. For example, if an Aiel individual dishonors another, they willingly act as a servant until the person deems their honor is restored. And as a person being served, it would dishonor you to mistreat your servant. The Aiel are very much into public displays of shame and humiliation. And so they have very little secrets. You'd be hard pressed to find an opportunity to rape someone without bringing shame to yourself. On top of that also have magical women in their society who act as authority figures. So if they catch you doing anything dishonorable, they will make your life hell.

3. The protagonist's simping tendencies are balanced by his friends anti-simp tendencies. His friend does not respect female authority, and does whatever he can to avoid them. Of course he gets caught in scenarios where they come in conflict, and he's always making jokes at their expense.

4. On the other side of the world, they've figured out how to control women with magic. Literally leashing them, and treating them like dogs. Forcing them to do things against their will.

5. Last but not least: Some women do get raped. The author doesn't go into detail. But he doesn't shy away from the topic either.

Why is Bakker pronounced as 'Baker' and not 'Bak-ker', esp since Baker is already a common surname with the same pronunciation?

>>20855413
>>20855331
Oh I forgot to mention: The average Aiel woman is about 5'10 (178cm), with many of them exceeding 6 feet. They're born into a hardened culture for even the average person. So Aiel warriors are harder than hard. And they don't wear plate. They wear cloth and leather. And they don't wield heavy swords. They wield short spears that compliment their agile stick and move fighting style. Their style of fighting is to not get hit. In fact, it's to not even be seen. As ideally, you would sneak up on your enemies. It's very stealth based. They're not normally going toe to toe with armed men.

>>20854866
>Lovecraft is pretty much the only explicitly racist SF/fantasy
what did he write?

>>20855433
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Creation_of_Niggers

>>20855434
OMG

>>20855434
I'm going to spread this all over 4chan when opportunities come up

>>20855452
Newfag. This has already been spread about 4chan for years. I think I first read this on /v/ years ago. We don't need more /pol/ kiddies running around singing racist poems.

>>20852218
>>20852148
Can anyone tell me why people care this much about Kingkiller and Rothfuss? I find his work self-serving to an absurd degree and also uninteresting: It reads like something a teenager with above average prose would cook, not the next "big star" of fantasy. I really don't get this whole expectation around such a story.

>>20855474
I'm not a newfag faggot

Alright here's my pitch.

It's a fantasy trilogy, where the pov shifts to the character which killed or incapicated the previous one. Random ork slays the hero? The MC is now that orc, etc.

I just keep on going back to Tolkien, I don't know why and I wish it was different

>>20855512
>why
because its the greatest one
>wish it was different
yeah, wish he has lives another 30 years and finished his legendarium

>>20855501
How can you exist on 4chan for any length of time without knowing Lovecraft is racist, and wrote a racist poem? I feel like this comes up every few weeks.

>>20855511
Sounds interesting for 1 book. Not a trilogy.

>>20855434
Never fails to crack me up

>>20855534
>not a trilogy
...ok... how about....
Its a fantasy trilogy where each book only covers a single day of events

>>20855434
>>20855438
>>20855452
>>20855474

>>20855550
I don't know about that one. But back to the first idea: The POV change idea might work over multiple books, if you had a single perspective to tie to together. For example: in the Penric & Desdemona series, demons tend to escape from their world of chaos into the real world. These demons forget who they were before the transferred into the world of the living. They exist as a ball of chaos. And they quickly dissipate, as there they need a living body in order to sustain themselves in the living. So their little ball of chaos quickly jumps into the nearest living thing. And it exists within that thing until a higher living form comes by and then they attempt to jump to that.

So a demon might have first possessed a mouse. The mouse and demon live as two entities within the same body. That is, until the demon's will overpowers the mouse and takes full control. And then the mouse is eaten by a fox. So it jumps to the fox. Similarly, the demon wrestles wills with the fox, until it eventually takes control. And then the fox is hunted by a dog, so it jumps to the dog. And then the hunter puts down the dog, so it jumps to the hunter. Now, it's found its way into a human host. And it retains all of its qualities of it's previous lives. It has an imprint of the mouse, an imprint of the fox, and an imprint of the dog. With each new possession, it becomes more complex itself. A demon that was once a part of a human can talk and think like a human. A human has a strong will, so a demon may or may not be able to take full control of a human.

So basically if you use a similar model, then you can thread all the POVs together by a single entity that jumps from person to person. So when a character the reader like dies, they still have someone to hold onto. And you can even build up a particularly good character who carries the last third of book 1. And then kill that character off at the very end. So when book 2 starts up, the reader still has someone to look forward to. There's still a familiar presence.

>>20850915
why yes, Bheleu's sword is my favorite and I don't even have opposable thumbs

>>20853926
Female elder gods that are not inactive in societies and common access to magic for both males and females I think causes a bit of equality.

>>20855550
Have you read Night of Knives?
It's a Malazan book by Esselmont. It's got 3 PoVs (I think), and takes place entirely in one day and night.

A lot of shit happens in the long night so it's not dull, but if it only followed one person I think it would be.

>>20855511
I've read a book that was exactly this, with a bit of a twist. I can't remember the title though.
The premise was that the protagonist was an unwilling henchman to a sadistic prince. The prince accuses a girl of witchcraft, and is going to have her burned at the stake. She is tortured into a confession beforehand.
As she's tied to the stake, the protagonist does what he can to make her death as quick as possible put of mercy.
Unbeknownst to everyone, she actually IS a witch. She casts a spell on him, which causes him. Predictably, the prince has him killed for spoiling the fun, but it turns out the spell cast on him causes him to swap bodies with whoever kills him.

>>20855421
I've been pronouncing it Bak-ker for some time.

>>20855909
Same
I'll continue to do so also

>>20855915
This is the correct response. Be the change you want to see in the world.

>>20855973
>>20855973
Hmm......

>>20853057
>the item cannot be shipped to your selected location
Thanks, that helped a lot

>>20855989
Those are good recs

>>20854756
>>20854788
>>20854836
William Hope Hodgson and Clark Ashton Smith invented the dying earth genre you fucking retarded pseud zoomers
the absolute state of the retards on this fucking board, knowing fuck all about the genre they act like they're experts of. fuck off

>>20851389
based bastionposter

Can I get some wholesome series recommended? Ideally I'm looking for something like the Black company or Dark Skies, in other words a series that's not written for zoomers and doesn't make me read hundreds of pages about it's protagonist swinging sword left and right to kill this and that. All the better if it's mysterious and encourages you to think.

>>20856603
>i want the reddit choices
so go to reddit

>>20856603
The red knight (traitor son cycle series)

>>20856603
Chronicles of Amber
Thomas Covenant (first chronicles)

>>20856617
The fuck are you talking about?

>>20856620
>>20856633
Thanks, will be sure to check those out

>>20852063
>tfw I wanna read "My Immortal" and enjoy it to the fullest
>tfw realizing that I must read Harry Potter in order to accomplish that
Woe is me! Yey is me!

>>20856661
>filename
czeched

>>20852187
>Sauron and Amazon will dominate Middle Earth, while Hobbit manlets rage and scream while the orcs rule supreme.
Or, you can simply just don't give a fig leave about muh IP it and just write your own sequel like Kirill Eskov with The Last Ringbearer.

>a few mates pile into my car
>audiobook starts playing
>it's the child princess Madouc getting her bare ass spanked in Vance's Lyonesse Book III
>"w-what are you listening to anon?"

>>20856731
Dare they enter your magical realm?

>>20850800
>not into milfs

ngmi

Fantasy that describes fat blonde women having sex?

>>20855511
>where the pov shifts

>>20855511
one of Abercrombie's short stories is like this if anyone was curious.
Tough Times All Over

>>20856294
In what world is Vance a zoomer author? You're correct, but I don't know many zoomers that are into Dying Earth stuff at all.

>>20856848
The only way I even discovered him was through Gene Wolfe's recommendation and Gene Wolfe is anti-zoomer as all hell

>>20856848
things I like: boomer
things I don't like: zoomer

I want to write a fantasy story where there is a race of octopus people who live to be 5 and the pinnacle of civilisation that has fallen is normal humans who are the elves of the story. Who see us as basically immortal enlightened beings. Something that actually celebrates humanity not le people are a heckin virus shit that everything's peddled for the last 30 years
and no fucking prophecy bullshit

now my issue is I can't write for shit and am fatigued from generic stories that get plastered into every world but I lack any and all skill to come up with something new

>>20856864
A lot of octopi die after giving birth, so maybe explore that cycle and how the parent perishing before the children are born makes it harder to pass on experiences

>>20856864
Cowardly man in this image.

>>20856861
I'd be interested in seeing a list of Wolfe's influences.

>>20856731

>>20856888
checked

>>20856888
https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/wolfe_gene
>Wolfe's literary influences are hard to trace – his own acknowledgement of Robert A Heinlein works better as homage than as literary criticism – though he clearly shares with Jorge Luis Borges (an undoubted influence) a love for such writers as G K Chesterton and Rudyard Kipling. But excepting mainly these three figures his implicit borrowings are mostly from American sf, the most frequently instanced underlier being Jack Vance, whose work clearly helps shape some of the Dying Earth figurations of Wolfe's masterpiece, The Book of the New Sun (see below). Some of the concerns of the Scientific Romance may surface, and some of its typical remoteness; but Wolfe's complexities of recursion (see also Recursive SF) are very distant from the fidgety discomfort with the storyable that seems typical of the Scientific Romance, with the exception of H G Wells, whose bent towards reductive clarity is illuminatingly the reverse of Wolfe's dark dubiety about the efficacy of "explanations". A Wolfe story always knows more than it says, and can almost never be fully grasped on a first-time reading. Ursula K Le Guin's frequently requoted encomium – "Wolfe is our Melville" – may be fairly understood to suggest that both authors share a vast omnivorousness and grasp, best perhaps exemplified by Wolfe in The Book of the New Sun and Herman Melville in Moby-Dick (1851); it might also be noted that Wolfe's presentation of his central protagonists may constitute the most sophisticated apprehension by any American author to date of the auctorial legerdemain at the heart of Melville's late masterpiece, The Confidence-Man: His Masquerade (1857) (see Secret Masters): which is to say Wolfe does Melville.

Thoughts on Sanderson? How can the guy pump out so much shit that fast?
Like, I went to a book store and the nigga had an entire shelf dedicated to himself and I'm not just talking fantasy either. Sci-fi, some schizo detective novels and even fucking comic books.
How the fuck does he do it?

>>20856911
No quality control. Pedestrian prose, paper-thin characters.

>>20856871
I think the important for their lives to be basically the same as ours in terms of value, family, length from their own perspective
so that maybe living 80 years is quite good in the scheme of things
>>20856876
less cowardly than the poo poot the coward

>>20856911
When you've such a dedicated fan base (thousands upon thousands of redditors) devoted to reading and rereading everything that you put out, you can basically publish anything and it will be a major success.

>>20856918
>I think the important for their lives to be basically the same as ours in terms of value, family, length from their own perspective
Then you're not writing about octopi anymore. There's no point if you don't commit.

My story revolves are Prima Nocta
Except it's a female lord banging men

>>20856928
Nobody cares. Fuck off to the writing general.

>>20856930
that's really rude and now i'm very uncomfortable

>>20856913
>>20856920
How'd he get so popular in the first place then?

>>20856920
>(thousands upon thousands of redditors) devoted to reading and rereading everything that you put out,
I'd say that fights for someone like Wight but Sanderson is far and above "thousands of redditors". Free aggressive advertisement and a ban on dissension works wonders.

>>20851628
I could not be bothered to read 2700 pages of the new Tad Williams Osten Ard series. So I skimmed the synopsis instead.

It is apparently about J P Morgan who lives with a character called ReeRee. I am not joking.

>In Aldheorte forest, where Prince Morgan has been living with little ReeRee and her tree-dwelling troop of Chikri creatures

ree

>>20856935
By finishing WoT

>>20856926
like octopi that a god makes into the image of people but still short lived and ugly
I have a whole thing but its highly autistic

>>20856909
also, he looked up the word fiacre in the dictionary, and decided to include it in his catholic comic book

>rely on reading in bed to put me to sleep
>currently in the longest reading slump of my life

>>20856969
Read this, it will put you to sleep

>>20856969
Ive been listening to a Reverend Insanity book before going to bed. I go to bed before my wife almost every night, and she comes in and shuts it off as she's getting to bed if I am asleep. She's actually asked me what it is I'm listening to, but I doubt she's the power-level to even appreciate it slightly, heh.

>>20855434
This poem is truly offensive. He contracts the call'd, fill'd in an attempt at emulating pseudoShakespearean verse yet butchers the metre of the last stanza by unnecessary inclusion of the indefinite article "a" near the end. The rhythm of the poem is ruined.

>>20856962
Stop posting about this, man. You gotta let it go.

>>20856993
I know what hydrargyrum means!

>There is a channel in the spine of her blade, and in it runs a river of hydrargyrum - a metal heavier than iron, though it flows like water.

Look, I am intelligent! I AM LITERATURE! FIACRE! HYDRARGYRUM! I AM THE GREATEST FANTASY AUTHOR!

>>20857016
>being upset because uncommon words exist
I don't understand

>>20857016
>>20857020
Many times since then, when I have stood upon a shaky platform in some market-town square with Terminus Est at rest before me and a miserable vagrant kneeling at my feet, when I have heard in hissing whispers the hate of the crowd and sensed what was far less welcome, the admiration of those who find an unclean joy in pains and deaths not their own,
...
(I am not upset, LITERATURE does not get upset! I become FIACRE)
...
Suddenly laughter overcame me. "What fools we must have looked, jolting along in the fiacre."

"If you understand, then kiss me."

I stared at her.

"Kiss me! How many chances have you left? I'll give you more, what you want-" She paused, then laughed too.
...
Wolfe mentions
FIACRE 12 times
PHALLUS 7 times
(for reference, SWORD is mentioned 122 times)

In the mind of Gene Wolfe, FIACRE is more important than the Freudian phallus.

FIACRE FIACRE FIACREEEEE

Elia of Dorne. I killed her screaming whelp. Then I raped her. Then I smashed her fucking head in. Like this.

>>20857123
Kino moment

>most recent DCC patreon update isn't on kemono so can't see the super sekrit announcement
It's probably the release date for book 6 maybe.

Anon who recently started Malazan here.

Fuck y'all, it's not kino at all. It's a long-ass Anime D&D. It's literally like someone took 5 or 6 LitRPG Cultivation series and mashed them together in random order.

>>20857214
Now you know the secret: There's barely any difference between webnovel writing and tradpub.

>>20857214
But there's no cultivation in Malazan at all.

"Men are men and women women, no matter which side of the Wall we were born on"
>GRRM A Dance WIth Dragons

I bet George wouldn't write this line again

>>20856731
>tfw no changeling princess gf that needs spanking...

Computational Literature Analysis Of Bakker vs Wolfe ie ctrl+f the wordcount, vaguely subtract stuff, probably not accurate but gives an idea. Should adjust by scaling the total wordcount factors of the books
...
>Bakker, Unholy Consult: 792 pages (1.3x longer)
SWORD+SORCERY = 359
GRIM+DARK = 153
BLOOD+FILTH = 186

>Wolfe, Shadow And Claw: 627 pages
SWORD+SORCERY = 123
GRIM+DARK = 194
BLOOD+FILTH = 105
...
>PHALLUS
5 Bakker
7 Wolfe

>SEX
4 Bakker (gender and coitus)
3 Wolfe (all referring to gender)

>RAPE (I omitted all the paRAPEts, dRAPEs etc)
8 Bakker
0 Wolfe

>BLOOD
166 Bakker
91 Wolfe

>FILTH
20 Bakker
14 Wolfe

>LOVE
168 Bakker (exclude cLOVEn, gLOVE etc)
138 Wolfe

>KISS
16 Wolfe
17 Wolfe

>JOY
41 Bakker
37 Wolfe

>SWORD
47 Bakker
122 Wolfe

>SORCERY (sorcer- y, -ror, rer etc)
312 Bakker
1 Wolfe

>WIZARD
96 Bakker
0 Wolfe

>WOMAN
36 Bakker
266 Wolfe

>WHORE
28 Bakker
1 Wolfe

>HARLOT
1 Bakker
2 Wolfe

>GRIM
22 Bakker; excluding GRIMaces, character name
4 Wolfe

>DARK
131 Bakker
190 Wolfe

>>20857511
>LIFE
171 Bakker
123 Wolfe

>DEATH
124 Bakker
88 Wolfe

>SLEEP
31 Bakker
117 Wolfe

>MEMORY
41 Bakker
35 Wolfe

>DREAM
42 Bakker
112 Wolfe

>MOTHER
227 Bakker (omit sMOTHER)
42 Wolfe

>FATHER
336 Bakker
79 Wolfe

>INCEST
3 Bakker
0 Wolfe

>GOD
360 Bakker (well, there is the No-God)
5 Wolfe

>DEMON
39 Bakker (exclude DEMONstrate etc)
30 Wolfe

>RELIGION
10 Bakker
4 Wolfe

>TORTURE
13 Bakker
95 Wolfe

>PAIN (exclude PAINt etc)
37 Bakker
39 Wolfe

>FIACRE
0 Bakker
12 Wolfe

>>20856848
>>20856861
>>20856862
you're a fucking zoomer retard who reads gene wolfe (who is shit) because he's this generals favorite shitty meme author (along with bakker) and you suddenly call yourself an expert on the dying earth genre (which book of the new sun copied badly and made worse) and spout the bullshit claim that "vance invented the dying earth"
you're a fucking retard

>>20857511
>>20857515
It is surprising that for the shorter novel, Gene Wolfe is actually more GRIM+DARK than Bakker.

Bakker likes sorcery whilst Wolfe likes swords.

I was very surprised to see Wolfe mentions phallus slightly more than Bakker does.

There was some anon who summarised Wolfe as having a dreamlike feel, and this is verified by the amount of mentions of sleeping and dreaming in his text, 2x-3x the mentions of Bakker in a much shorter novel.

Wolfe appears much more repressed psychologically than Bakker, as evidenced in his restrained mentions of fathers, mothers etc, though he appears to have sublimated these desires not through blood and filth but through a curiously bloodless torture, which is the theme of his novel.

Fiacre is mentioned more than phallus, suggesting that it has become a Freudian substitute in the mind of Wolfe - as evident in the erotic frisson portrayed in this scene
>>20857046

NB: one typo here
>>20857511
it is of course
>KISS
16 Bakker (not Wolfe, that was my mistake)
17 Wolfe

>>20857214
If you haven't completed the series up to Memories of Ice, you don't have anything relevant to say. That is a fact.

>>20856911
I strongly suspect he's using ghostwriters like James Patterson does. It's clear that he's not producing much quality anymore.

>>20856935
His earlier books are decent page turners and he has a knack for the business end of writing. I don't think he's actually that popular in the grand scheme of published sff authors any more. There's a core following who grew up reading his books and keep reading them for comfort and nostalgia, and that's about it.

>>20854554
>>tolkien
>Wrote bedtime stories for young girls.
Have you read his books? There's barely any women in them at all. It's clear that Tolkien was writing for boys and men.

>>20853926
There most certainly is rape in Malazan. You just haven't read much of it. Furthermore, it's fucking fantasy anon. You're okay with magic, but not okay with women being magically equal or better than men? Honestly Erickson takes a really balanced approach to the genders in his books. The only unrealistic thing being that his women are physically stronger and closer to men than they would be in real life.

>>20857610
>You're okay with magic, but not okay with women being magically equal or better than men
NTA. Magic is cool. Women are gay.

>>20856603
The Anvil of the World by Kage Baker

>>20857214
you got meme'd, should have listened to me. only severe autists like malazan.

>>20857598
Tolkien wrote primarily to give vent to his own autism and share it with his children. Eowyn is a Tom Bombadil level character. Possibly worse than Tom because she's not magic. Her role doesn't make any kind of sense in the setting unless you're aware of the metanarrative of Tolkien's personal life.

>>20857678
of all the rampaging schizoids on /sffg/, you are by far the cringiest

>>20851335
Good bird.

>>20856897
Is this a real cover of BotNS? It looks so amateurish and strangely beautiful.

>>20857431
lol

>>20857685
This is about the level of argumentation I've come to expect from adult Tolkien fans.

>>20857214
>y'all
But you're still right.

Novel with good fantasy creature/monster designs?

>>20851776
>and the rest shouldn't take you more than a month of dedicated reading.
idk man
I've been reading quite consistently for like four months now and I'm still like halfway through V6
And by reading consistently I mean sometimes streaks of days of 6+ hours of reading
The chapters keep getting longer and longer, I feel like V9 is gonna be finished by the time I completely catch up

>>20857431
>>20857822
pretty sure he's a terf desu

>>20857610
>You're okay with magic
>but not okay with women

Yes.

>>20850873
>after being disgusted by Reverend Insanity's MC.

>>20857575
Fiacre is mentioned more because travel around Gyoll and sailing in general is described in detail in the story, unlike sex scenes which are usually in the background, thoroughly skipped, or implied.
In fact, majority of the usage of phallus is in describing a certain vial, and not in a sexual light. I know this is bait but idc.

>>20858292
yea there's no way you can read it all in one month.

>>20857195
It's not relevant to release dates or the story.

Anyone read this? It sounds fucking bizarre.

>>20858865
read snow crash and anathem instead

>>20853974
Gurm will die from the coof with Winds of Winter unpublished and his last thought, as his lungs are collapsing, will be: "I only wish... I could've... strung those gullible idiots along a while longer..."

>ctrl+f
>"bakker"
>51 results
Based.

>>20859044
What does the running man have to do with Farrakhan?

I'm not going to read China Melville. Politics is cringe.

>>20859210
I was going to read him, I heard his style and choice of words are very exquisite

>>20859210
Yes.

>>20859222
Try The City and The City.

>>20857579
Not falling for that one. It's not a fact, it's you choking giant sweaty nigger AIDS balls.

>>20859210
I suggest pirating his books anyways; not to read, but because he's a commie and it amuses me whenever commies use capitalism to sell their shit. Pirate all of his books and then delete them and feel good about yourself for sticking it to a bald limey commie faggot.

So when is The Winds of Winter coming out? What's the latest sitch?

>>20859534
he's working real hard on it

>>20857254
The "cultivation" element that made me gag on Malazan is that
EVERY
FUCKING
CHARACTER
seems to have a Cultivation webnovel amount of insane Anime bullshit for a backstory.

It's fucking impossible to relate or give a shit about anything happening in the story when there are literally no significant characters who don't have shonen protagonist amount of tragic motivation, mysterious dark mysteries, ebin convoluted drama, le schemes within schemes within schemes (that generally don't go anywhere) and layers upon layers of informed attributes and bullshit powers. The entire cast looks like a lineup of different LitRPG or cultivation protagonists: Whiskeyjack, Tattersail, Paran, Lorn, Qiuck Ben, Kalam, Sorry - Erikson the fucking graphomaniac began writing them and never fucking stopped.

I don't care about the story of how Whiskeyjack fell from grace or the source of Quick Ben's OP fuckery or what's the deal with Fiddler or what Sorry is up to because I don't care about any of these people - they are not real, not even for a moment, because real people don't have five D&D adventure modules dripping out of their nipples from the moment you see them. Consequently, I don't care one bit about le great and beautiful world they live in. Not that there's much flavour to it anyway - every fucking empire is great and imperial and decadent, every fucking city is ancient and exotic and full of secrets, every fucking valley is cursed or ran-through by Warrens or whatever, and every fucking pickpocketing hobo fingered the Goddes of thievery or luck or shadow or whatever holy fuck.

It's fucking anti-fantasy, because there's nothing to fantasy about it - it makes all the magic, the adventure, he tragedy, the exotic and the history itself so fucking trite it's unbearable.

Fuck this series, it's straight shit, I can see why it's cultural influence is limited to a handful of blowjobs from a handful of other tryhards and literally nothing else. Nothing of value would be lost if it drowned in the sea of webnovel diarrhea.

>>20859609
>It's fucking impossible to relate or give a shit
sounds like a (You) deficiency

>>20859609
I don't know what cultivation means cos I don't read chinkshit, but seems you just don't like some of the characters.
Should characters not have their own backstories? They are certainly not all grim.

>>20859609
Massive respect for giving your opinion.

>>20859609
That sounds epic af. Thanks going to give Malazan another try. Cheers

>>20859609
>didn't make it to book two
>has one of the two best characters

>>20859609
Pretty clear you haven't read past gotm

>>20859609
Ice and Fire is the only good epic multi-book fantasy series.
You think anybody would give a flying fuck if Malazan was sitting unfinished? How often do Bakkerfags lament their series being on indefinite hiatus?
Stop wasting your time with this gay shit and read Ice and Fire if you haven't already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOKwewc9dns

>how dare you give your opinion without reading 15,000 pages of dogshit

Mental illness.

>>20859749
It’s the sunk cost fallacy at play.

Are there any good quality editions of Gene Wolfe's books besides the Folio editions?
It seems to me like they're mostly all shit

>>20859889
no

>>20856935
Have you seen the kind of low effort garbage that's popular in other media, like tv and movies? It's no different. Lowest common denominator always sells well.

>>20856935
He wrote books with endings

>>20859513
>waste your time and energy accomplishing nothing that impacts the world in any real way because... communism le bad or something

>>20859908
>le

This man killed himself to turn all the sea people into seals. Would you have done the same?

>>20860080
it depends, are those sea people from the bronze age?

>>20858865
Cryptonomicon was a great read 20 years ago...plenty of great side characters and everyone is larger than life to the point of being capeshit without the spandex.
any Stephenson book is a fun read with Anathem being the peak in my opinion.

I would also recommend Quicksilver (lot of pov changes throughout)

>Warbreaker
Nothing happened for 80% of the book.

brutal rape

Read Forever War and Forever Free, Haldeman must have had binged some drug to come up with an accurate 2020s Earth. Also the last book was shit, I nearly drop at the end.

>>20860080
Why is Tarzan courting Wojak?

>>20858865
I read it a long time ago and remember it being incredibly dull. Lots of goofy play at home stuff if you get off on that. Like characters geocaching with dead reckoning and a cipher you can work by hand with playing cards.

>>20850656
Thread lasted two days, how unexpected.

>>20860273
She's giving him the magic conch shell which will summon the Great Cold from beyond the stars. This is how he transforms the sea people into seals, but the cold kills him in the process

New thread
>>20860653