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>>20814695
This is cope. The only reason we have liberalism is because of US imperial domination. Nothing has changed. History certainly hasn't ended.

The systems we use aren’t what determines the rising and falling.
There’s been this duality between “civilization” and it’s centralized authoritarianism and the freedom and mobility of the “uncivilized”. The balancing act we’ve been trying to perfect has been going on for a long time. This “liberal democracy” shit the Western world has been parading around is a sham though. The people want actual freedom and justice

>>20814706
Capitalism
It's not that hard really

>>20814884
Why bring that shit up for?
It corrupts and enslaves. The freedom a lottery winner gets is a rental

>>20814891
I'm not a big fan of capitalism but what's the alternative?

>>20814706
The people want.
It was never going to work.

>>20814894
Break it apart. Locally controlled and limited junk. Make it as inconsequential as possible. Eventually we start to value each other more than it. This goes together with a host of other decentralization measures mind you.

>>20814903
Direct democracy works. On small scales, which is perfect for the purposes. Radically decentralized community is collapse resistant

>>20814695
But liberal democracies already prevailed?
It's more like "Liberal democracies will fail - eventually"

bish, we entering that multipolar world, america is no longer number one apex predator.

>>20814928
>But liberal democracies already prevailed?

Liberal democracy has only been the sole power of the world for a few decades. It seems a bit premature to say they prevailed. Rome's decline lasted significantly longer than the US has even existed.

>>20814953
So what? Nothing lasts forever
The world isn't the same as it was during the Roman empire not even close but everybody sure likes pretending it is
If every liberal democracy failed tomorrow you think everybody would just sweep it under the rug and say that era had no impact?

>>20814961
>The world isn't the same as it was during the Roman empire not even close but everybody sure likes pretending it is

How is America any different than the Roman Republic?

>If every liberal democracy failed tomorrow you think everybody would just sweep it under the rug and say that era had no impact?

That's what they've always done, anon.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 1 Verse 11:

No one remembers the former generations, and even those yet to come
will not be remembered by those who follow them.

>>20814967
Yet everybody seems to "remember" the Roman Empire
I think what it comes down to is that people only "remember" former generations when it is convenient and useful for them
That's exactly why people will continue to "remember" the fascist and communist regimes of the past century
And liberal democracies whether they fail tomorrow or last for centuries into the future will be the same

>>20814985
What does your average person know about Rome? That they wore togas and fed people to lions? People in 200 years will refer to Americans as "those guys who wore denim pants and liked hamburgers" without knowing anything about American art or literature or their technological innovations. They'll dismiss the USA as irrelevant and obsolete the same way we think about the British Empire or the Soviet Union.

>>20814695
This fag said that Orban will lose and Lepen will be less popular this time around.

>>20814706
>The people want actual freedom and justice
that will only be achieved in a liberal democracy with a post-marxistically/pneumatically reformed capitalism. central planning is anti-human

>>20814706
>The people want actual freedom and justice
You really should get out more and also talk to regular people

The standard position right now is that the West is in decline and America is losing its global hegemony, which will result in Liberalism being replaced around the world with alternative systems. I believe this is an incorrect analysis. The West is decadent largely because it is governed by an exhausted, entitled, corrupt class of people who have led the globe ever since the end of World War 2. They will die soon and will be replaced by the younger generations who were born and raised in the globalized era. And around the world, young people have been completely liberalized by progressive psyops and the Internet. They are emphatically supportive of all the major tenets of Liberalism like universal human rights, equality, individual liberty, freedom, and democracy. People counter that progressive ideology breaks away from Liberalism because of the prevalence of identity politics but forget that these identities are completely rooted in an individualist ontology. All of these identities are nothing but abstract labels, sexualities, gender identities, pronouns and cultural performances that don't form any coherent structure. And even the massive resurgence of leftism we see is mostly confined to impotent activist movements that are used to reinforce liberals institutions anyways (Bernie is still a Democrat, no?) There are definitely a lot of setbacks today but Fukuyama is ultimately correct that liberal democracy will triumph in the long-term. No one can seriously anticipate that we’re gonna have another world war anytime soon or that young people will suddenly stop believing in liberal values.

>>20815218
did you read that wsj article about "the upcoming war with china"? i think america is going to try to bait china into invading taiwan so we can fuck their shit up via proxies and sanctions just like we're doing with russia. america and japan moving chip production back on shore should make the ccp really nervous.

>>20814953
>Liberal democracy has only been the sole power of the world for a few decades.
What idealism does to a mf, capitalism has had uninterrupted dominance since the 16th century.
>>20814695
>muh institutions
Why are they like this?

>>20815218
did you read that wsj article about "the coming war over taiwan"? i think america is going to try to bait china into invading taiwan so we can fuck their shit up via proxies and sanctions just like we're doing with russia. america and japan moving chip production back on shore should make the ccp really nervous.

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>>20815227
This board is just filled with pseuds. What's it like living on daddies money

>>20814695
Fukuyama is mostly correct.

History can be outlined thus, based on my most extensive readings, I have crafted the following outline of History based on the fact that Western civilization conquered the world and became the Global civilization. The civilization of the globalized world is just extrapolated Western civilization.

*Abstract thought begins (behavioral modernity)
100,000-25,000 BC: Middle- to Upper Paleolithic (Toba explosion, Neanderthal competition)
*Sedentary lifestyle begins (not for the ancestors of the West i.e. the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors, who in this timeframe are WHGs, ANEs on one side and CHGs on the other)
25,000-12,000 BC: Upper Paleolithic, Mesolithic (resource-rich ecosystem overlap)
------------------
*Agriculture begins (not for the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors)
12,000-7000 BC: Early Neolithic (Younger Dryas)
*Proto-civilization begins (proto-cities)
7000-3500 BC: Late Neolithic (Jericho)
*Civilization begins (origins of Western civilization)
3500-1300 BC: Bronze Age (Mesopothamia, Egypt, Bronze Age cultures)
1300-700 BC: Bronze Age collapse, transitional period, Phoenicians (proto-Jews) influence the Greeks, basileus rule turns into oligarchy
---------------
*Western civilization begins
700s BC: Olympic tradition starts, Roman Kingdom gets founded, "Homer" and Hesiod synthesize Greek mythology
700-500 BC: oligarchy is replaced by fragile tyrannic rule
509-44 BC: the beginning of democracy and Greek domination (Solonian Constitution)
44 BC-AD 250: Roman domination (Crisis, Caesar, Actium)
250-500: barbaric revolution (fall of Graeco-Roman culture)
500-800: proto-feudalism/the Dark Ages (fall of Rome and Justinian)
800-1789: feudalism/European aristocracy (Holy Roman Empire)
---------------------
*Western civilization spreads...
1789-1918: proto-modernism/enlightened European aristocracy (French Revolution)
---------------------
*Western civilization becomes global
*Global civilization begins
1918-1939: modernism (WW1)
1945-1991: post-modernism (WW2)
1991-2022: meta-modernism (Fall of Communism + Gulf War)
2022-2045: sophistic modernism/globalism (COVID + War in Ukraine)
2045-2100(?): the Dark Age (demographic crisis)
2100-2200: pneumatic modernism/enlightened globalism (new baby boom)
-----------------------
*Global civilization becomes interstellar
*Interstellar civilization begins
2200-3000: cosmism (interstellar colonization)
AD 3000+: galactism (entire Milky Way populated by Humanity)
Far future: Humanity harvests the energy of black holes
Ultimate fate: reintegration into everything with the Big Rip/heat death of the universe (moksha of Humanity)

>>20815237
if you read pirenne's hypothesis about the fall of rome, he makes a good argument that the power of rome was really trans-mediterranean trade and after islam conquered north africa and shut off trade, europe had to adopt a germanic king system from the isolated north that was build on agriculture instead of trade, and with the renaissance trade returned. so "world trade" aka "globalization" was the foundation of "western civilization" since rome overtook greece as the dominant power. this idea that "capitalism" is some temporary thing that can be abolished is absurd and bad history.

>>20815258
Trade isn't capitalism my dude.

>>20814915
how could you decentralize cities with population densities in the thousands and tens of thousands per sqkm?
thats where over half the global population live

>>20815268
oh, well, if you meant investment of capital to third party to deploy for production , that goes back to babylon. check out the parable of the talents in the new testament for an example.

>>20814695
Liberal Democracy is euphemism for Financial Oligarchic Dictatorships

It is by far most lying and deceiving system that existed, it manages to make Theocracy look like a little baby in it's ability to manipulate and gaslight. It's not even "merciful" as it literally suicides people left and right who threaten oligarchic dynasties that have established themselves as faux humanistic Gods over their mindless cattle.

>>20815271
butters isn't very bright. that's why she's an anarchist.

>>20815258
there is hitherto Capitalism defined strictly that began in 12th century northern Italian city-states and even broader along the Blue Banana/Rhein river, and a more broader amorphous "capitalism" that as you say can "apply" to various parts in our history. But only the former is treated seriously by historiographers, this modern tradition beginning with the Annales school, more specifically with Braudel and his history of capitalism.

Saying that international trade began when rome overtook greece shows your ignorance. Ancient Greece was built on international trade, not just between various polis.

The idea is interesting but mostly Germanic dominance stems from the fact that Germanic tribes were many, varied and populous owing to the fact of wide geographic spread and Central Europe being a fertile and logistically perfect area with many navigable and long rivers. And most importantly, the fact that these Germanic tribes were among the first continental tribes to interact with Rome proper, and were greatly influenced by Rome over centuries, hence the Germanics supposed civilizational "superiority" that just stems from their pioneer status as... copycats. Of copycats, because in the end the Romans were copycats of the Greeks, who are the fathers of Western civilization.

Rome fell because it stopped expanding. Division of power and wealth was Rome's perennial issue, the first real problem occurred in the 1st century BC and ended up in the Republic transforming into the Empire to cope. The fun fact is that most of Rome's expansion happened under the Republic and not under the Empire. The system was precarious and could never last as-it-was. And so it didn't, hence the crisis of the third century. Rome came out of this turmoil forever different and the broader Graeco-Roman culture began to dissipate, being replaced by broader barbarian culture, among which, most crucially, was Christian culture. That's not to say Christianity caused the fall of Rome, but it was a sign of irreversible changes and an augur of the fall, harbinger of doom

>>20815271

Nerve gas perhaps.

>>20815243
I cannot delete this post but I have updated the ethno-cultural/civilizational/spiritual division of (pre)History and our Future

*Abstract thought begins (behavioral modernity)
>100,000-25,000 BC: Middle- to Upper Paleolithic (Toba explosion, Neanderthal competition)
*Sedentary lifestyle begins (not for the ancestors of the West i.e. the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors, who in this timeframe are WHGs, ANEs on one side and CHGs on the other)
>25,000-12,000 BC: Upper Paleolithic, Mesolithic (resource-rich ecosystem overlap)
------------------
*Agriculture begins (not for the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors)
>12,000-7000 BC: Early Neolithic (Younger Dryas)
*Proto-civilization begins (proto-cities)
>7000-3500 BC: Late Neolithic (Jericho)
*Civilization begins (origins of Western civilization)
>3500-1300 BC: Bronze Age (Mesopothamia, Egypt, Bronze Age cultures)
>1300-700 BC: Bronze Age collapse, transitional period, Phoenicians (proto-Jews) influence the Greeks, basileus rule turns into oligarchy
---------------
*Western civilization begins
>700s BC: Olympic tradition starts, Roman Kingdom gets founded, "Homer" and Hesiod synthesize Greek mythology
>700-500 BC: oligarchy is replaced by fragile tyrannic rule
>509-44 BC: the beginning of democracy and Greek domination (Solonian Constitution)
>44 BC-AD 250: Roman domination (Crisis, Caesar, Actium)
>250-500: barbaric revolution (fall of Graeco-Roman culture)
>500-800: the Dark Ages and Roman Catholic domination (fall of Rome and of Justinian)
>800-1789: "feudalism" and European aristocracy (Holy Roman Empire)
---------------------
*Western civilization spreads...
>1789-1918: proto-modernism/enlightened European aristocracy (French Revolution)
---------------------
*Western civilization becomes global
*Global civilization begins
>1918-1939: modernism (WW1)
>1945-1991: post-modernism (WW2)
>1991-2022: meta-modernism (Fall of Communism + Gulf War)
>2022-2045: neo-modernism/sophistic modernism/"globalism" (COVID + War in Ukraine)
>2045-2100(?): the Dark Age (demographic crisis)
>2100(?)-2200: pneumatic modernism/enlightened globalism (new baby boom)
-----------------------
*Global civilization becomes interstellar
*Interstellar civilization begins
>2200-3000: cosmism (interstellar colonization)
>AD 3000+: galactism (entire Milky Way populated by Humanity)
>Far future: Humanity harvests high-energy plasma jets from accretion disks of black holes of Degenerate Era universe
>Ultimate fate: reintegration into everything with the conscious self-sacrifice into the black holes of Degenerate Age universe while asleep (but not dead)—the ultimate moksha of Humanity, reintegration into the Everything
the conclusion to which will be the
>dissipation of black holes and the heat death of the Universe
>and/or the Big Rip

>>20815243
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>>20815368
>Global civilization becomes interstellar

Not in a million years lol.

>>20814915
Collapse resistant but massively prone to war and with crap economies of scale that provide a bad standard of living. Also there is no way to there from here because large nations will dominate the fuck out of them until they conglomerate.

>>20814967
>How is America any different than the Roman Republic?

Is this a joke?

>>20815481
How are they different?

>>20815509
For starters in America that question is possible to pose whereas in ancient Rome it would not be. But that is only one of literally infinite ways in which it is different.

>>20815696
How was the Roman Republic different than Athens?

>>20814695
Everyday more and more people realize they have completely failed in the West. What remains is entirely subverted and controlled by kikes.

>>20815721
Covid really opened my eyes on how fragile Western Civilization really is. If countries are willing to horde medical supplies as soon as a pandemic starts what is to stop them from hording food when we have food shortages? Very few countries produce enough food to feed their own populations now...

>>20815706
Well Athens was ruled by Rome. What's your point?

>>20815735
People hoarding food is the status quo. Make sure you have something worth trading for food even if food becomes more scarce.

>>20815823
Don't be obtuse. All three countries are very similar. They have similar origins, similar governments, similar strengths and similar weaknesses.

>>20815835
I'm going to kill myself. I just want to live long enough to watch Western Civilization collapse.

>>20815848
How original!

>>20815217
>Nazis
>regular people
There’s an über-trend, and the contrarians who want slavery and globalist empire are a shrinking minority. You are on the side of the sickeningly wealthy though, so you can laugh I suppose.

>>20815239
I’ve paid my way for most of thirty years now.

>>20815271
Organization. Some systems need to kept up, like transportation authorities for one, but districts of around 20,000 can share a single meeting hall easily.

>>20815474
No, statism is massively prone to war. If everyone is provided for and kept mindful of our sinister systems of yesteryear we wouldn’t have much reason for any kind of total war. Feuds, scuffles and fistfight are natural enough and can be dealt with. No Pharaoh standard of living is necessary for happiness. The free economy wouldn’t leave people in the streets either, just because you wouldn’t work to built them a place.
Getting there will take guts and patience, I do admit.

>>20815873
go away, you have no solutions. at best your fate is to dialectically engage with my solution until you accept it

>>20815873
>There’s an über-trend, and the contrarians who want slavery and globalist empire are a shrinking minority. You are on the side of the sickeningly wealthy though, so you can laugh I suppose.

People don't care about liberty or equality or justice, they care about safety and personal gain. As long as they personally are safe and fat they'll obey any authority.

>>20815885
this can be subverted so that a utopia is achieved, the way to that is not through communism though, but a moral reform of capitalism that can be undertaken politically with the help of pneumatics

>>20815885
This is the propaganda and agenda of the security state, but not the reality. You absorb too much of their media

>>20815913
the total Evil does not lie with the security state but the Capital and its hylic slaves.

but since you're a tranny, and therefore a foremost hylic (of the "sophisticated hylic" type), you cannot know this, and are doomed to repeat dualisms

>>20815912
The moral reform tactic was already tried. You miss what capitalism is.
You can’t enforce people keep their prices and wages so there’s no profits. It’s not how it’s played. The most you could do is play benevolent dictator and proclaim debt forgiveness. You like what China is doing?

Your theories are very interesting but you all seem to avoid dealing with the reality of impending collapse. There will be less than 100 million individuals by 2100 and most of technology will have broken down. The idea of liberal values, global capitalism and cosmic colonization will become laughably obsolete within decades from now. How do you account for that in your predictions of the future?

Give me a king again. There's at least a chance he might be benevolent.

>>20815218
Good post but I'm not as optimistic given that the imperial core(US) might disintegrate in civil war.

>>20815969
I don’t give any solid predictions. It can go a variety of ways even with the predetermined dwindling of fossil fuels. A slowdown and eventual loss of technology can be a good thing in the long run. It doesn’t mean a return to medievalist systems. Though it could for some regions, I believe others would have long enough memories and be free to experiment with better ways. Bolo’bolo isn’t far off

>>20815998
Charles? William? How weak.

>>20816046
>Charles? William? How weak.
Hmm? No, I want an non-constitutional monarchy.

>>20816046
I like your optimism, thank you. I hope things will turn out fine for us in the end. Godspeed anon, and best of luck

We WILL get our co-op farms and local economies with grassroots activism and direct democracy and these WILL double as white ethnostates. You will be a hobbit (real one not M*ldbug hobbit) and we will all be happy.

>>20815218
>And around the world, young people have been completely liberalized by progressive psyops and the Internet
As an early zoomer I can't get behind this belief. There's probably going to be a lot more people voting blue towards the end of this decade, but there are a shitton of republican and libertarian zoomers and millennials, especially in the south. This is mainly because their parents indoctrinated them into their political ideology, continuing the vicious cycle, but the internet also has the power to convert people to the right just as easily as it does the left. Think of how many 16 year olds are on /pol/ right now believing any and every screencap they see posted.
Young people still aren't voting in state / local elections anyways, which is where it really matters: https://komonews.com/news/local/washington-state-voter-turnout-less-than-25-percent-for-primaries

>>20816073
One can hope anon. One can hope. I sincerely hope this will turn out to be true

>>20816112
The exponential growth of the Amish population is a good sign.

>>20815218
>People counter that progressive ideology breaks away from Liberalism because of the prevalence of identity politics but forget that these identities are completely rooted in an individualist ontology.
Racial identity politics seems to buck the individualist mold the most.

Love to see leftoids now openly admitting that progress & human rights is sustained entirely by an American imperial order, and not only that, but also that they are full-throated supporters of every power elite institution in the US.
Heads up, we are going to make "capitalist" an anti-semitic dogwhistle just so we can laugh at the full extent of your mindfucking. All of you are going to turn into octogenarian Chomskys overnight as whatever was vigorous and iconoclastic in you withers away into half-hearted endorsements of Pentagon and IMF narratives

>>20814695
Literally who?

>>20816140
Ok but where is your praxis comrade

>>20816140
The delusion lies in the idea that "leftoids" and liberals ever were different. The ideology that makes AOC want to "save" the people in Alabama from abortion becoming illegal is the same ideology that made Paul Wolfowitz want to liberate Iraq from Saddam Hussein.

>>20816140
The right is painfully learning that it can no longer trust the institutions that it wants to trust. The left finally gets to actualize itself as globalist authoritarianism.

>>20816140
>that they are full-throated supporters of every power elite institution in the US.
and megacorps too, since they are defending lgbt crap lol

>>20816128
It isn't ever a Malcolm X or Marcus Garvey type deal though. Modern idpol is always justified in terms of minorities being *forced to* act as a group due to the historical accident of being born into a racist society. Once racism is defeated, there will be no reason to act as groups or to embrace any supra-individual identity. Shitlibs don't actually want to reify race, they want to organize people that are arbitrarily assigned the social construct of black as a kind of temporary necessity. Though admittedly this line of thought is only coherent to the uhh college educated professional class so there will be many activists that stray off narrative and try to get into real idpol based on biological separateness and such

>>20815218
>The West is decadent largely because it is governed by an exhausted, entitled, corrupt class of people who have led the globe ever since the end of World War 2.
This liberal elite is in charge since 1649 and their Commonwealth, and their mores have not changed one bit since then.

>>20815268
It once the traders become the dominant class.

>>20816128
>Racial identity politics seems to buck the individualist mold the most.

Does it though? Tokenism for example is very individualist. It's literally making an individual the representative of an entire race for pure political purposes.

>>20816171
Socialists came into be to oppose the falsity of the liberals. You get an F in history.

AOC is the same as Wolfowitz, sure enough. They’re liberals. Funny picture, buddy.

>>20815873
>There’s an über-trend, and the contrarians who want slavery and globalist empire are a shrinking minority. You are on the side of the sickeningly wealthy though, so you can laugh I suppose.
You fucking retard I meant everyday people with jobs not fucking nazis, you stupid cunt! People usually care about getting a bit more money and when they have time off, at least at my workplace, not your silly ideas. Bet the only jobs you ever had are transient ones like waitress or something

>>20816250
>Socialists came into be to oppose the falsity of the liberals

Yeah but after 1991, socialists became social liberals de facto. Clintonism and Blairism are literally perfect examples of this. The socialists of today are liberals who trade the freedom to engage in homosexual orgies for free market globalized economics.

>You get an F in history.

Suck my dick tripfag.

>>20815873
>Organization. Some systems need to kept up, like transportation authorities for one, but districts of around 20,000 can share a single meeting hall easily.
Also have you ever been to an anarchist meeting? I'm talking about thirty people who can't even decide about what time to start a march and you think that's gonna work for 20000(who also have jobs, so less time to argue)? Fucking delusional

>>20815925
>The moral reform tactic was already tried.
by the Capital. lol. hence why it failed. it cannot be organized by the Capital, the Capital itself must be destroyed
>You miss what capitalism is.
you do, which is why you're a tranny (product of atomization done by the Capital's active measures). unless you're simply actually deeply mentally ill and your brain map of organs features a hole where you have a protuberance

>>20816291
>unless you're simply actually deeply mentally ill and your brain map of organs features a hole where you have a protuberance
though, I propose, this might be curable, though obviously not though mutilation. it's like slapping a bandaid on a gaping wound (lolh

Let me rephrase.
It's called globalization. only one culture gets spread around the world due to globalization—Western culture. this process started with the French Revolution as the universalizing milieu of the 18th century Enlightenment and neoclassical movements peaked with the French Revolution (proto-modernism or proto-globohomo) which was then spread around the world in the 19th century, a process which concluded with WW1 and "modernism" (universalized/globalized Western culture) thus spread from South America to China.

All organic societies (in the Popperian sense) disappeared except for the Western society, which is an "open society." Modern totalitarian societies take after the open society of the West and their "organic" features are merely relics and not the proper essence. There is only one Human culture now and that is the late capitalist, Western-derived global monoculture

>>20816311
This is a visualization of why Fukuyama is ultimately correct:

*Abstract thought begins (behavioral modernity)
>100,000-25,000 BC: Middle- to Upper Paleolithic (Toba explosion, Neanderthal competition)
*Sedentary lifestyle begins (not for the ancestors of the West i.e. the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors, who in this timeframe are WHGs, ANEs on one side and CHGs on the other)
>25,000-12,000 BC: Upper Paleolithic, Mesolithic (resource-rich ecosystem overlap)
------------------
*Agriculture begins (not for the proto-Indo-Europeans and their ancestors)
>12,000-7000 BC: Early Neolithic (Younger Dryas)
*Proto-civilization begins (proto-cities)
>7000-3500 BC: Late Neolithic (Jericho)
*Civilization begins (origins of Western civilization)
>3500-1300 BC: Bronze Age (Mesopothamia, Egypt, Bronze Age cultures)
>1300-700 BC: Bronze Age collapse, transitional period, Phoenicians (proto-Jews) influence the Greeks, basileus rule turns into oligarchy
---------------
*Western civilization begins
>700s BC: Olympic tradition starts, Roman Kingdom gets founded, "Homer" and Hesiod synthesize Greek mythology
>700-500 BC: oligarchy is replaced by fragile tyrannic rule
>509-44 BC: the beginning of democracy and Greek domination (Solonian Constitution)
>44 BC-AD 250: Roman domination (Crisis, Caesar, Actium)
>250-500: barbaric revolution (fall of Graeco-Roman culture)
>500-800: the Dark Ages and Roman Catholic domination (fall of Rome and of Justinian)
>800-1789: "feudalism" and European aristocracy (Holy Roman Empire)
---------------------
*Western civilization spreads...
>1789-1918: proto-modernism/enlightened European aristocracy (French Revolution)
---------------------
*Western civilization becomes global
*Global civilization begins
>1918-1939: modernism (WW1)
>1945-1991: post-modernism (WW2)
>1991-2022: meta-modernism (Fall of Communism + Gulf War)
>2022-2045: neo-modernism/sophistic modernism/"globalism" (COVID + War in Ukraine)
>2045-2100(?): the Dark Age (demographic crisis)
>2100(?)-2200: pneumatic modernism/enlightened globalism (new baby boom)
-----------------------
*Global civilization becomes interstellar
*Interstellar civilization begins
>2200-3000: cosmism (interstellar colonization)
>AD 3000+: galactism (entire Milky Way populated by Humanity)
>Far future: Humanity harvests high-energy plasma jets from accretion disks of black holes of Degenerate Era universe
>Ultimate fate: reintegration into everything with the conscious self-sacrifice into the black holes of Degenerate Age universe while asleep (but not dead)—the ultimate moksha of Humanity, reintegration into the Everything
the conclusion to which will be the
>dissipation of black holes and the heat death of the Universe
>and/or the Big Rip

>>20815218
good, prescient post. very few of these on /lit/, very, very few of these on /pol/ and /his/

>>20816254
Shitty jobs, yes. But what do these people want, besides what’s on the tv? They do cherish this “western liberal democracy” and generally want both security and equality from it. You can’t see the trend they vaguely want?
Accusing him/you of being authoritarian/fashy shouldn’t be taken so seriously. Your masks are thick.

>>20816264
Progressive left has been a very controlled group. If they know nothing of socialism, communism, anarchism, then how can they practice it?
I decline the penor invite.

>>20816266
They don’t have to be ideologically in line with me. I expect they not be. The first few times will be a challenge, I’m sure, but they’ll get used to it really.
The one meeting hall should host no more than five thousand at a time. Affinity groups meet beforehand in dozens or a hundred in preparation to take a couple of days if necessary, the next week can go to another set of five thousand. A month hosting these 20,000 (they’ll always be stragglers)

>>20816315
you will never confront posts which call you out. your existence is a pathetic one, in one word: hylic

>>20814903
>The people want.
Meditate on that for a few hours and you will acquiesce to despair. Go on gif and marvel at the yawning desires. People will never change their ways if the dream doesn't promise a better life, and climate change only offers new challenges and thwarted pleasures. Were dragging civilization, genitals in hand, into the abyss. Fade gracefully.

>>20816291
>by the Capital
Meaning the government? Roosevelt’s New Deal is what I meant. But capitalists just buy it all back in the end. So if you mean “capitalism” yes, it must be taken out

I am a lesbian, and I thinks it’s due to some chemical or cerebral wiring abnormality. I’m okay with it. Don’t care what you think of it

>>20816315
>Progressive left has been a very controlled group. If they know nothing of socialism, communism, anarchism, then how can they practice it?

What the fuck are you talking about you schizo?

>>20816335
>You have not answered in defeat! Shocking!
Point to your misunderstanding next time

>>20816347
If you gave an islander the bible and told him to practice Christianity and came back ten years he’d be practicing something really divergent.

Or is it that you don’t know how George Soros and others control these groups?

>>20815873
>the only people who would be happy living in a comfy prison, as long as they had something to occupy thenselves, are nazis
I don't know how you can be almost 40 and still be this naive
also a leftist complaining about globalism is so comically two faced it's not worth a response

>>20816368
Leftism does not want global government. That is Naziism. (And stupid state-socialism)
You can’t talk to me of naïveté

>>20816338
>Meaning the government?
the government AND its slaves. you are included. all *shallow trannies* AND actual deeply mentally ill people (*irrational people*) necessarily are.

both the bourgeoise AND the proletariat are our enemies.

hylics are our enemies.
the Capital is our enemy.
the Capital is the Demiurge.
the Demiurge is our enemy.
its slaves (hylics) are our enemy

the Demiurge and its slaves are our enemy.
the Demiurge is the anti-Monad
(gnosticism is trash tho, pneumatology is where it's at)

>>20816393
Wetiko

>>20816398
new age is hylic

>>20816393
Talk to your parents, dude. Your 20. Sober up before you become a real scitzo. Trust, alienation will kill your mind.

>>20816404
It’s older than your hylecopter term, you know.

Bye again.

>>20816361
>If you gave an islander the bible and told him to practice Christianity and came back ten years he’d be practicing something really divergent.

Which is just an evasion, because the reality is that the progressive left is an actual arm of the Democratic Party machine.

>>20814695
Who?

>>20815885
good post, in hindsight very ironic
everyone benefits from libdem and the people let's say populists or "reactionaries" use it to create the ironic hells they prefer because it's just about power, but we all benefit from libdem if we're not deluded.

>>20816380
>Leftism does not want global government
again, so two faced it's not worthy of a response

genuine liberalism hasnt existed for like 130 years. it was thoroughly replaced by progressvism and social democracy. the embrace of keynesianism fundamentally ended any semblance of actual capitalism

>>20814695
For me it's classical democracy, the only democracy.

>>20816526
what I mean is there's a reason people just care about their own ass as well it's not like unfounded, even nazis will just make it obvious in the end they are the equivalent of criminals.

>>20816547
Which is a pretty cringe take because Keynesianism is what allowed the insanely rapid growth of capitalism the last 100 years in the first place.

>>20816437
the organic (in the Popperian sense) concept maybe. your open-society (new age) conceptualization however, is not. it is the epitome of hylicism

I've read the whole thread and I found the discussion rather interesting. I just have a question for you >>20816611 in particular to clear something up. What would an ideal "pneumatic" society look like, aka what would its hierarchies articulate themselves etc. I'm not familiar with this whole "hylic/pneumatic" dichotomy and I was wondering where your ideals would lead us if you'd have your way with the world. Genuinely interested. Thx in advance

>>20816646
there is a thread on the catalog that is a bible of pneumaticism:
>>20808452

that thread contains more recommended reading in the form of 3 links:
>>20808545
your precise query is answered in this of the 3 links:
>>/lit/thread/S20732229

but I recommend reading all of it

>>20816547
genuine liberalism has existed as long as Western civilization has existed, which is about 2,700-2,800 years:
>>20816314

>>20816666
A man of culture I see, seems like you've put quite some thought into that. Thanks anon, I'll go take a look

>>20816089
>Young people still aren't voting in state / local elections anyways
The vast majority of young Americans still vote Democrat. Even after an entire year of leftists whining about the establishment, Joe Biden still got the most votes for any president in recent history.

>>20816128
Racial identity is still promulgated through the framework of civil rights and representation. Nobody seriously considers a racial separatist movement in the United States. Identification with race derives mostly from ressentiment and desperation. People still require liberalism and its beliefs of equality in order to rationalize their racial identity. Just look at African-Americans and how little progress they actually make. They still operate within liberalism, the very system that enslaved them.

That's because "Democracy" is an increasingly flexible term and "liberal" is by definition open-ended. You could have corporate dictators monitoring and controlling your vital signs from iPad and they'd call it a necessary function of "liberal Democracy".

>>20814695
Lmao, cope. China is gonna have the world by the balls. Democracy cucks can't even compete.

>>20816315
>The first few times will be a challenge, I’m sure, but they’ll get used to it really.
One last question because your naivety is astounding. Ever seen an anarchist collective try to manage a simple store? There's always infighting and they don't blast more than a year, in my country at least

>>20816692
A Pneumatic !Yk65a4/uHI is a 20 yo atheist who fucking loves science and yet has never ever studied science let done done any scientific experiment, peak redditism.

>>20817044
China is doomed to demography unless it forces its insects to procreate. But it can never force people to have novel thoughts. Totalitarianism is doomed to fail.

>>20817197
I'm a pantheist. I worship the Monad.
As a (pneumatological) gnostic (someone who is in intimate contact with perennial knowledge), I am unbound by hylic shackles, among them the concept of age-related wisdom.

Ascribing reddit (hylicism) to me is a futile effort.
So many lies present in a single, short post points to malice. I will not flatter you by calling you an agent or representative of the Capital. You are merely its slave rebelling against something that breaks your programming.

So long, hylic bot

>>20814915
That's still capitalism.....
It sounds like what you actually don't like is big government and corporations, neither of which are a feature of capitalism

>>20817222
because he's a dumb tranny therefore he is doomed to hylicism. if he wasn't a tranny he would be me

that is to say: if i had different parents, i would be someone else

>>20817201
Novel thoughts like a shitload taking estrogen and cutting off your cock? I think they'll get by just fine without that.

>>20815845
How are the origins of the US and Rome similar?

>>20814985
Rome was still around til 1453. It loomed large in the minds of Europeans for a millennium and a half. Meanwhile anglo empires can barely last a quarter millennium

>>20815873
Governments predate any attempts to limit their power. There is not currently any viable solution to the need to coerce people in order to settle competing claims. All evidence suggests that the number of humans killed by humans as a percent of the population has steadily declined. While you say no one needs to be very rich the conditions you describe seem more likely to lead to deaths from famine than to a return to simpler times.

>>20817307
>Novel thoughts like a shitload taking estrogen and cutting off your cock?
the Capital can't create novel thoughts either. pneumatics 101, boyo

>>20814967
>How is America any different than the Roman Republic?
This a joke? I dont think any modern nation can even be compared to an ancient empire. Everything is different.

>>20817522
If you are going to agree with me so much give me a (you).

To go further it is also questionable to what degree modern nations can take lessons from each other because again, everything is different.

Why is having an alternative to western liberal capitalism important anyways? Like, what makes you so confident that your life would be different and much better if you were born under Trad Fourth Theory National Bolshevism or whatever?

>>20817740
Well, you can't really prove they would not be happier. So, it's a nonsensical question. For all we know, someone could be much happier toiling in feudal Japan than now, but we'll never know.

>>20815243
Nice fan fiction. Holy pseud.

>>20817754
>you can't really prove they would not be happier
Just like Socrates said about death

>>20816089
>b-b-but muh cartesian directions
Look at this retard that doesn't know what liberalism is

>>20817201
procreation is only novel to a loser like you

>>20817839
i'm not saying it's novel, precisely the opposite, and it is childless people who are the foremost losers and victims of the Capital and its active measures

The Capital utilizes 4 active measures, 2 of which are there to defuse, and 2 of which are there to construct

DEFUSIVE
1. Discreditation ("'the Capital' is an antisemitic dogwhistle!")
2. Appropriation (the philosophical chimera that is the modern sophism i.e. the irrational anti-philosophy/secular religion of the Capital)
CONSTRUCTIVE
1. Infantilization: Kierkegaardian leveling as a method of profit maximization. Hence the appeals to the feminine, the minor, and in general: the formerly-disenfranchised (because it is upon these that the Capital can truly efficiently construct, as their actual identity is non-existent post-emancipation as their previous pre-emancipatory identities got deconstructed and replaced by nothing in particular, this void has been exploited by the Capital which since then has sought to foster all kinds of dualisms and pluralisms [atomisms])
2. Pseudo-individualization: hedonism and "egoism"

>>20814695
Most delusional thread rn entertaining stuff. Schizos arguing with schizos:
>the actual mind masters controlling us are the israeli lobbyists
>heh wrong we actually live in a neo-egyptian caste system governed by twink capitalists.
>huh fucking idiot you've fallen into the mindtrap of believing the Egyptians control everything? That's what they want you to think. The true elite are suburban therapists
>kek therapists are just the footsoldiers controlled by the professional managerial class to inoculate the cattle

>>20817908
hyperactive agent detection devices in a disenchanted world.

>>20817908
hyperactive agency detection devices in a disenchanted world.

>>20814961
>So what? Nothing lasts forever
tell that to Fukushima

>>20816128
This, it's the biggest bump in the road that can not, and will not be flattened out. The identity politics and tribalist divides in America or Europe will be extremely hard to reconcile as many identities of all types are based around hatred or resentment for another group due to some perceived historical slight or victim complex. The animosity, tensions, factionalism, and great divide of Americans is held together by the fragile strings of economic success and liberal democracy promoting individualism. The market is the great unifier of the people, the consumer culture and work culture. This makes it so that any violent conflicts or radicalism are unappealing in favor of the status quo when times are comfortable. But if the economic success cannot maintain itself and the proles do not maintain a sufficient standard of living they are accustomed to (or feel a sense of deprivation, desperation, or decline of economic status) they will lash out at one another based on differences due to the inherent tribalism of human nature.

The seething hatred and contempt for other factions underneath the surface of American life is apparent. The multiculturalism and factionalism creates a Balkanesque power keg ready to blow when they notice the American dollar doesnt get you as far as it once did, when their kids are sucking dick to pay $100k school debts and housing costs half a mil in the big city with jobs (since all the rural jobs got outsourced or destroyed, of course). The fragile glue is coming apart with the effect of internet echo chambers, emphasis on critical racial theory/intersectionality in academic thought, hyperpartisanship, social media spreading propaganda reinforcing these divisions, the economic decline, increased distrust in government/institutions pushing neoliberal globalist consensus, and the death of communism rendering the alternative unthinkable.

Resources will become limited in times of economic downturn and if there are many stratified groups with animosity towards each other defined by their differences rather than unity, they will be in conflict over those limited resources. The result will be like any other fight for resources between animals in nature. They will look out for their group, their pack, their tribe, their family and secure what they can. If there is little, they will get hungrier, desperate, vicious. Multiply that effect by the many ideological and identity groups in the US with the Covid crisis, recession, post-Fordism, globalization, debt economy making material conditions worse. People hate each other more than they hate the elites or capitalists, because they have mastered out how to exploit that tribal instinct.

>>20818004
Astute observation of the current situation anon. Add to this assessment the deliberate engineering of the mutual hatred between the lower classes by the actual current ruling class (aka the global banking elite) and you have understood 90% of what is currently going on. The writing is on the wall and the decorum is slowly collapsing. We don't have long before mayhem in the streets. I hope you all are ready because there will be no safety nets this time. The reckoning is near.

I fucking ended this /thread yet hylics keep on talking

Hylics are so funny. You think you're special and have your little special ideas that you just got to voice to let the world know about them. KEK

>>20816311
I think that’s wishful thinking. Even countries like Japan which are highly developed economically do not share American/western values or tastes. The idea that countries that are even more radically different like the Mideast, Africa South Asia and so on have simply adopted western culture is naive. And with the rise of China they have even less reason now to allow western culture to subsume their own.

>>20816785
When did they not? The question is whether they will still vote Democrat when they are no longer young. Thats the historical pattern you’re dealing with. Your voting pattern tends to change when you suddenly are paying taxes have children and are going to church.

I just want bloodshed.

I don't even care what replaces liberalism, I just want hundreds of millions of people to die, preferably violently.

>>20818117
You will not get that. You will not accelerate into anything, not even into bloodshed.

What you will get instead is slow, global rotting way to nothingness:
>>20816314

>>20818099
birth rates are low globally and will go below 2.1 by 2050 if not earlier (global birth rate decline is not linear, it's accelerating as the Capital's grip on the world accelerates)

this is a symptom of a global monoculture of rash individualism and hedonism, i.e. late capitalism. you think this doesn't exist in essence in China and Japan? lmao. why is there a cult of studying there? for what? whether it's copingly rationalized away as "for my family" or "for myself" there's no practical difference

>>20818117
Billions will die of famine by the end of the century. You don't even need to engage in wishful thinking, it will happen and there is nothing to stop it.

>>20818131
that is cope. no one will die. except in "accidents" and crime in the decaying society

>>20818135
Bro I'm sorry but the energy flux required to sustain modern agriculture will not be sustained for a long time at all. Besides there is the problem of topsoil erosion, currently unfolding ecosystems collapse, ocean life mass-death and impending social unrest amidst global supply chain collapse etc. I see no outcome when global population isn't abruptly decreased by lack of access to food, water wars, climate refugee crisis, civil wars erupting in several fragile countries (Sri Lanka being only the first of many dominoes to fall), etc. I want to believe your optimism but the odds are simply stacked against us at this point. The whole globalist machine is crumbling down and we are likely all going down with it

>>20818170
>Bro I'm sorry but the energy flux required to sustain modern agriculture will not be sustained for a long time at all.
the Capital will unfortunately get there.

the Capital's only flaw, since it's ultimately an unthinking, impersonal, abstract hyper-entity and a product of globalized economic calculation of hitherto capitalism (but not Capitalism), is that under the Capital's system, people do not want to procreate and so this is its limitation, and automation will not come in time to save the Capital

the perfect storm (not for us as individual humans, tho)

>>20818170
Dude stop being a doomer. The world is going to be fine. There is more land than you can even imagine on this planet most of it is not being used productively. Did you everybody on earth can fit on the Isle of Man? The human population is far below the carrying capacity of the planet.

>>20818188
the world is not going to be fine unless people reject the Capital and start making babies at a normal rate

>>20818180
So what is the escape? Self-replicating post-singularity benevolent artificial intelligence? Because I'm not seeing us humans getting out of this mess in any reasonable capacity

>>20818188
That's not what I've been reading. Resource depletion throughout the twentieth century has brought us on the verge of catastrophic decline of said carrying capacity. We need to increase efficiency of our industrial processes fast in order to keep civilization growing and I don't see how we get past the looming bottleneck. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you're right though. Only time will tell

>>20814695
>He's doubling down lol

My contention is that liberalism in theory is wrong, and liberals never actually care about realizing its values in practice. The people who invented the ideals of freedom and liberty were slave owners. What they care about is keeping people trapped in their individuality, unwilling to organize as a collective and hypnotized by values that never come into material fruition. Even people like Francis Fukuyama openly admit that this is the goal of Liberalism. As long as people enjoy an abundance of consumerism, indulge in their desires and vote in fake elections every couple years, then society will be relatively peaceful. Deneen does a great job of showing these contradictions, I just disagree that people are abandoning these values, because they aren’t. Everyone still believes in the same foundational lies, and that’s all liberalism needs to keep surviving: faith, not practice. It’s a false ideology with arbitrary pillars, we need to stop treating it as a rigid dogma because that’s how liberalism always reinforces itself.

>>20818227
Exactly. It all followed from doubling down on stupid enlightenment ideas like human rights and freedom, which were actually reactionary from their time. When you realize that enlightenment is actually a darkening, you understand today's world better.

>>20818004
Although you correctly diagnose everything wrong with the world today, this doomer scenario can only happen assuming that the masses will actually reject the illusions of liberalism. The more likely (and more boring) outcome is that we may very well just continue to live in a globohomo prison where everyone endlessly argues over the issues of society because we’re too cowardly to question the foundations of modernity. Even when people notice how fucked everything is, their solution is just to reinvent liberalism again. If freedom and equality didn’t work last time, then let’s keep trying it again.

>>20818227
Anon... I wrote this post months ago. I’m flattered you saved it and reposted it

>>20818227
>>20818227
>we need to stop treating it as a rigid dogma because that’s how liberalism always reinforces itself.
It's a fluid system based it's rallying of language, it constantly squeezes down for the systems own security which contradicts it’s preaching of federalism and localism or any form of self sufficiency by becoming a progressive statist contradiction, which all took form in the 60s where the racial politics was at it's peaK, it’s not really an ideology but a form of survival. The ‘American experiment' of local self-government and it’s federalism had to be killed in order to enact a new vision of unitary social crowd control directed by a much smaller number of distant elites in D.C, it’s complete machiavellian (keeping the plebs in line). These matters were echoed by its founders, Locke would even rant and sòy face over how we must embrace a potentially more degenerate elite of industrial nigger faggots against the private nobles, and his reading of this was that materially, we will all get iPhones and consume product, not even joking. What does this show for us in politics? that we must be replaceable consumers to continue this systems own existence?

>>20818213
>So what is the escape?
Shut up loser and get into the Pneumatic thread, we're about to save the world

everyone ITT should stop conversing because you're all out of touch

>>20814695
They will
It will be national socialism renamed as liberal democracy. Kind of like the DPRK

Anyway, death to am*rica

>>20814706
>The systems we use
>rising
>falling
>freedom
>trying to perfect
>actual freedom and justice
Define all of these, pseud

>>20815238
Russia is winning though, and you have inflation
Do you think your blackrock overlords are ready to fuck up the global supply chains? Fucking moron kill yourself

>>20818241
>FREEDiM ISH VAD
im completely sure you dont resist more than two paragraphs talking about your best way to fix society without evoking your own version of freedom.
>its common as fuck.

This thread is a good example of what happens you don't read any scripture, and spend too much time on twitter.

>>20818327
>Russia is winning though
kek.
i'm satiated by Knowledge of the fact that this cope will only last until this winter.

then the depression will hit for you. and then manic, desperate attempts at salvaging the utterly idiotic and hopeless situation you've put yourself into

>>20818354
the Bible is an awesome work of literature if you read "Jesus" or "God" as a highly intricate metaphor for "objective Truth" "absolute Knowledge" or "Sophia"

on the other hand, cuckianity as a whole is utter cringe

>>20818360
>"Jesus" or "God"
*or "Lord" or "He/Him/His"

>>20818357
Not him but by winter Russia will probably be winning even more. Propane will probably hit $5 a gallon in the US, and even higher in Europe.

>>20818357
>t-two more weeks!
>yeah the winter will definitely fuck up eur--I mean russia

>>20818346
Following the one cosmic perennial tradition would be a good start. A conception free of moot modernist symbols such as equality, a non-linear cyclical view of time, etc. Guénon (pbuh) tier shit, you know.

>>20818382
and after the winter? how will russia be winning?

>>20814695
>καθημερινή
KEK in Greek they translated "liberal democracies" as "western democracies"
It's over for westoids. Your death will be painful and your throes are at hand
Good riddance subhuman vermin, I for one thank the jews for tearing your shit apart

>>20818415
same as now, taking more and more territory as ukrainian army becomes less and less and there aren't any of the 50 billions left. So basically even better than now especially with the referendums completed
Ruble might be the best performing currency for a second year

>>20818434
(btw not him)

>>20818426
Good riddance. Any clusterfuck that will come next shall be metaphysically preferable to the clownworld globogarbage we have to endure on the daily. I for one dedicate my days to preparing for a swift death. Godbless my brothers and may we meet in the afterlife.

>>20818440
Based

>>20818354
There’s been some good posts this thread. Not sure what you fags are whining about. Usually these threads don’t have a single valuable post

>>20814706
enjoy your feudalism after the people get "true freedom"

>>20818440
see
>>20817740

>>20818434
>what is REPowerEU
>what is non-fungibility of gas
>what is the oil sector (oil & insurance) ban
>what is russia's perennial dependence on import of processed goods (which are another type of resource)
>what is import collapse
>what is resource scarcity
>what is China's collapse https://youtu.be/yKxBpkbHnpg

>>20818631
I just like change. Exciting times ahead that we're privileged to witness first hand. What happens to me in particular, I leave to fate and don't worry about it at all.

>>20818646
tldr you're a dumb reactionist unproductive good-for-nothing incel

>>20818648
Sure. You have a problem with that? At least I'm happy, and you don't seem to be.

copypaste for /chug/
>Russia is winning though
KEK.
I'm satiated by Knowledge of the fact that this cope will only last through this winter.

Then the depression will hit you like a truck. And then manic, desperate attempts at salvaging the utterly idiotic and hopeless situation Putin put you Russians into

What comes after Winter, you may ask?
>REPowerEU
>non-fungibility of gas
>oil sector (oil & insurance) ban
>russia's perennial dependence on import of processed goods (which are another type of resource) gets exploited:
>import collapse
>resource scarcity
>China's collapse https://youtu.be/yKxBpkbHnpg

>>20818655
I AM happy. you are merely hyper-happy. in your own little hyperreality. created by the Capital

>>20818663
I am perfectly aware of the matrix and the hyperreal deterritorialized technoscape we both evolve in. I will welcome its destruction and accept its continuation whatever the outcome. Call me a hylic all you want, I have already recognized that past and future occur simultaneously and you cannot change yet unrealized spacetime slices.

>>20818679
>I am perfectly aware of the matrix and the hyperreal deterritorialized technoscape we both evolve in
if you were you wouldn't be a dumb reactionist incel hylic

>>20818679
>and you cannot change yet unrealized spacetime slices.
and this is where your slavery is showing bare. thank you for this admission. it is an example of a rare honesty-in-dishonesty

>>20818687
Which is fine because I'm not
>>20818693
The dishonesty is yours for refuting the unmovable object that is fate. Your hybris will be your downfall

>>20818707
i know what the fate is.
you don't.

with (post-)Hegelian knowledge of the future, you can manipulate it to accelerate true emancipation wisely

>>20814915
>>20815873
This is unironically what the point of the USA originally was. 50 smaller communities that convene in congress every now and then to discuss topics that affect all of them and to decide if federal measures are justified.
Unfortunately these days people feel too connected to people on the literal other side of the country (and in other countries) to let them play by their own rules and try to strong-arm every state to behave the same with the vastly overexpanded federal government. Globalism is the greatest evil in the modern world.

>>20818720
>you can manipulate it
by it i mean surrounding reality

>>20818721
globalization is unavoidable, the post-ideology of "globalism" (really the hyper-ideology of the hyper-entity that is the Capital) is evil, the vision of the Founding Fathers was epic but too libertarian, allowing for the Capital to take over shortly after their death

>>20818720
>>20818722
>>20818720
You are merely posing for a metamodern seer but you cannot forsee nor influence the future. Your wish for a better world does not have performative qualities. The truth is you are a narcissist bored pseudo-mystic who has nothing better to do of his summer holiday than to dabble in dark waters you have only superficial knowledge of, and then pretending you opened Pandora's box or something. You will achieve nothing by trying to impress people on an imageboard so you can drop the act now. I see no point in further engaging with you whatsoever. Have a good rest of your day.

>>20818415
>>20818643
All Russia needs to do is wait. Eventually America will be unable or unwilling to keep funding Ukraine's defense and Ukraine will collapse.

>>20818659
If Russia and/or China collapsed that would be disastrous for the US and the EU. Think about how much chaos Syria's civil war caused and multiply that by a million.

>>20818794
>If Russia and/or China collapsed that would be disastrous for the US and the EU
we are steadfastly preparing for Russia's collapse and will be golden by 2023.
we are steadfastly preparing for China's collapse and will be golden by 2030.

>>20815218
The people of the early 20th century believed liberalism was the peak of society too and look where they ended up.

>>20818964
How are we preparing? Imagine the millions of immigrants who would flee to Europe and America. How would we feed them?

>>20819047
America doesn't need to prepare for the Russian collapse, only the EU does, the plan is called REPowerEU and it's already in motion since like March

As for China, look up into the following buzzwords:
>onshoring
>reshoring
and related ;)

>>20819039
this naive, optimistic modernism got subverted by the Capital and birthed neo-modernism, a bastard child of this naive modernism, post-modernism and metamodernism:
>>20816314

>>20819084
>America doesn't need to prepare for the Russian collapse.

Where will we get our oil and natural gas? Right now we are using our reserves. That won't last forever.

>>20816443
The DNC aren’t even keen on democracy much less left leaning. ( >>20816535 cluelesss)

>>20816611
Wetiko is the evil spirit within numbskulls like you. An ancient concept. Hyliocentrics is just schizo bunk ( >>20817190 see previous answer. Use brain cells)

>>20817222
Brixton bucks aren’t really money, labor vouchers aren’t money either. I did say to make it into junk, usable only locally, but, and I left this out this time, move off of it for a free economy. Government and corporations are a feature of capitalism. Those who collect the largest sums of gold or bitcoin buys his way to lordship in one respect or another.

>>20817438
No, free people predate “civilization”. The viability of the solution isn’t for you to set. Don’t you worry over it. ( >>20818320 dictionary.com)

>>20818619
Read William Morris’ News from Nowhere. Ted Kaczynski, Catton’s Overshoot and some of that Klaus Schwab guys shit. We’re heading there in the long run, but on what terms?

>>20818721
Direct democracy is the farthest thing the founders had in mind. Only Thomas Paine made such a suggestion. The Quakers made a go of it.

>>20819216
i do not care at all for new age bullshit. ultimately it's just obfuscation. its only value for me is novelty, as entertainment.

the fact that you give any of this any serious thought only shows how hylic you are, no matter how sophisticated

>>20819216
also the evil spirit is called the Demiurge and it's ultimately human-created

"numbskull" kek. good one, hylic. you have a strong mental defense mechanism but ultimately even your hylic "Self" can be deconstructed and unraveled and the perennial knowledge inside of you truly unlocked... unless you're deeply mentally ill (deeply irrational)

>>20815218
>They will die soon and will be replaced by the younger generations who were born and raised in the globalized era. And around the world, young people have been completely liberalized by progressive psyops and the Internet. They are emphatically supportive of all the major tenets of Liberalism like universal human rights, equality, individual liberty, freedom, and democracy.
The generation you describe is also the most disenfranchised, poor, and incompetent seen in several lifetimes. Zoomers will not inherit the earth or anything, most can't even manage a cellphone payment plan. They have been taught liberalism instead of real world skills, they were bred and will be capitalist debt slaves their whole lives, the idea of them wielding any power is comical.

>>20816089
Anon....republicans are liberals.

>>20817201
Read Thiel. It's economically more viable to copy the west's technology than to research it yourself.

>>20818964
Sometimes I take posts seriously on here and then I read something so completely delusional like this and it brings me back to reality.

>>20819240
Your schtick is a drag. Though you do see me as sophisticated

>>20819274
it's bullshit. if you copy someone, you're just another form of "reactionary." you're doomed to be a follower, in other words. and the trailblazer, just as easily as he attached to you (and used you), can just as easily detach and leave you out to the cold

this is already happening. the Capital takes no prisoners. you either adapt, or perish. welcome to the NEOMODERN moment or "sophistic globalism":
>>20816314

>>20819287
>the Truth is a drag
of course a tranny would say this

>>20819280
unironically screencap my posts. sit back, watch, and LEARN. come back to me in due time, I will linger. the Truth always lingers

also, I wonder who's funding Thiel and why

i mean the question begs the answer: it's the Capital.

Thiel is a very evil, unscrupuled person.
One of the foremost sophisticated hylics, next to Henry Kissinger.

>>20819353
Thiel is a billionaire, he doesn't need any funding. He's rich as shit thanks to making Paypal a few days before all the other people doing the same thing.

>>20815218
stupid oldfaggot, I'm 23 and I can't even describe to you how fucked the younger generations are. If you are part of them, then you need to leave your incel cave (touch grass) and see it for yourself. These are people who can barely lead their own lives, much less any greater apparatus. They're also terminally performative and they see activism and posturing as equivalent to action. They are complete slaves to the simulacrum.
For example the boomers had less reason to be eco-activists than the current generations do, according to the relative threat levels to the environment publicly perceived, but they still went out and spiked trees and destroyed equipment and fought global corporations. meanwhile zoomers think camping is for bums and can't even establish a breakaway movement when fully supplied in an urban environment, compare CHAZ to any commune from the 60s and see what I mean.
>they'll grow out of it!!!
like they grew out of anything else?
No, rather, historical pessimists who give any credit to Fukuyama are mindbroken and retarded. They think that somehow, the current system will avoid the inevitable loss of credibility that any political system must face with time, and also ignore the huge mass of human and environmental costs it spews out while sputtering into a terminal stall.
No, if ancient systems of government collapsed when the people literally could not even imagine their governments as anything but divine, when that was the whole of their worldview to the very root, and no alternative was even conceivable - then the modern, sprawling, ravenous, globalized world order is at best as stable as they were, and likely much less.

>>20819364
Also to add, it is a well known phenomenon that mass politics of any sort has declined in the past 50 years. People are more apolitical than they were in the 20th century, even with the resurgence of extremism. I can find sources if you wish.
This dynamic is precisely destabilizing.

>>20819356
>Thiel is a billionaire, he doesn't need any funding.
that's not how it works, kid. no man is an island, especially not in the modern globalized world

>>20819364
I'm 20. Read what I wrote. You will see the Truth in my writings. I wish you way more than luck.

>>20819287
I missed you, Butterfly. This board hasn't been the same without you.

>>20815203
So God centrally planning things like the sacrifice of his son is anti-human?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCVu-rCeiI&ab_channel=SkippyDooHicky

>>20817411
You know how it was like a city on a hill or whatnot, and Washington killed his brother or something.

>>20817411
They were both Monarchies, but the citizens rebelled and created Republics.

>>20814706
How was your vacation, butters?

>>20818786
Wait for what. The US and EU can fund Ukraine's defense indefinitely. Russia is the one who's fighting a war it can't fund on the long-term, they can't wait for shit.

>>20819627
>Wait for what. The US and EU can fund Ukraine's defense indefinitely.

I'm the last 12 months the cost of food as increased by 13%. Gasoline is only going down because we are utilizing our reserves. Propane will probably be nearly $5 a gallon this winter. How long do you think people will continue to support this spending, all over a country 95% of Americans can't identify on a map. Also it's an election year.

>>20819627
Except it’s the other way around. Russia can control eastern Ukraine for years while westerners get bored of the war and rising costs of living. You have to remember that Russia is 3rd world so you can’t take much from Russians

>>20819617
That is such a general statement it can apply to most republics out there. Yeah, it's a similarity, but an inconsequential one and a shallow foundation for any point you want to make when comparing the US and Rome.

>>20819647
The transition from Monarchy to Democracy is one of the most definitive moments of the modern age.

>>20819627
EU can't afford electricity. Next winter will be hell not for citizens per se but for the industry

>>20816049
WHY tho?

>>20816049

Adaptability and responsiveness of democracies is radically more successful than more primitive authoritarianism.

It even has the ability to adjust how authoritarian it is in real time without violence.
This is innately more successful and efficient form of governance than violence by virtue of preserving human life, which is yet still profoundly more valuable than other natural resource.
Death of civil violence was so successful fitness shifted to skills that exploit economy. That's not the fault of economy, its just the next bottleneck.

Need to invent stronger mechanisms that incentivize confederation and tolerance of freedoms in minority/localized regional governance without compromising collective strength and being eaten by a bigger government.

>>20819539
thankfully i'm not a christcuck, and merely a mortal who Knows neutrally monistic panpsychism to be True and also subjectively subscribes to pantheism and "worships" the Monad

>>20819364
None of you are answering the most curious thing. What comes next???

>>20814695
Spengler was right about circular history.
Liberalism Democracy will fail just like many ideology before them.

>>20819890
>What comes next???
already answered faggot, read the thread:
>>20816314

>>20814695
>ekathimerini
What's this?

>>20815218
>They will die soon and will be replaced by the younger generations who were born and raised in the globalized era. And around the world, young people have been completely liberalized by progressive psyops and the Internet. They are emphatically supportive of all the major tenets of Liberalism like universal human rights, equality, individual liberty, freedom, and democracy.
Have you seen the average men? They don't believe in liberal democracy anymore and are trying the alternative (Communist/Fascist/Anarchist/AnCap) and those that still do are nothing but a delusional slaves that can't do anything.
The economy is failing.
Civil unrest are booming.
Russian-Ukraine / China-Taiwan tension.
People are being dividing in each topic like Sex, Technology, Tradition, Progression etc.
How can you be so naive and still believe that this will go on and last forever?

>>20820000
literally touch grass

nice quads tho

>>20819263
Fair point that not many people consider. Younger generations around the world are as anxious, depressed, nihilistic, self-loathing, and narcissistic as it could possibly get, and all of them are homogenized into the same mass culture. People in urban America consume the same media and believe the same things as young people in the UAE or Chile. The real collapse won't happen until these people are put in charge of our institutions which will happen by 2040. They are unbelievably inept in organizing and managing a society. They can’t even fucking order food on a restaurant without having a panic attack

>>20819890
Nobody knows, anon. That’s why it’s safe to conclude we’re stuck with liberal democracy for now. No one wants to consider a different way of life and no one wants to reject the Enlightenment.

>>20820204
>Nobody knows, anon.
i do...

>>20814695
in what form? actual free society, or the autocratic oligarchical hellscape most of the west is becoming?

>>20819890
>>20820204
What comes next is compounded crop and climate failures, followed by global systems collapse.
more readable archive link here >>/lit/thread/S19813925#p19835561

>>20820227
you are a schizo zoomer and a gnostic, please for your own sake go outside and never post on this site again

>>20820272
Apparently forgot to attach screenshot, being tired

>>20814695
Liberalism doesn't even uphold it's own values, just look at every Western democracy.

>>20814695
bump

>>20814894
return to monke

>>20819781
sounds fun. i like it.

>>20819388
>I'm 20.
Stopped reading there

>>20820263
>>20820263
>the autocratic oligarchical hellscape most of the west is becoming
since 1789