/lit/ - Literature

Still waiting for a llpsi faggot to prove he knows any Latin.

>>20807396
>Still waiting for a grammartard to prove he can actually read any Latin.
FIFY

>the op itself derails the thread
that's a record

>>20807396
>non-sequitor

>>20807396
>>20807404
>>20807407
>>20807408
LLSPI fails at doing the method the author attempted to do. At the very least the book is bad because its false advertising and doesn't know what it is.

>rub LLPSI on forehead
>MmnNnNnnnGGHHHhh IPSO... VERBO.. ROMANUS FACTUS SUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>20807421
LLSPI doesn't really have varied word order either for a lot of it so it doesn't teach the reader to recognise endings it teaches them to read an order of words.

>nemo adhuc sermo Latino ad ideas ipsius defendendas utitur
h-ha ha

how the fuck do you sit and learn a language when you have a brain that's been abused by the internet and video games all your life?

αἰθίοπας δὴ μισῶ ἰουδαίους τε καὶ μεξικανοὺς ἄραβάς τε· ἄγε δὴ εἰσάγγειλόν με, ἔστι γάρ μοι χρήματα εἰς ὑπερβολήν.

>>20807447
serrmone*
λίθος εἶ

>>20807451
stop playing games, focus on other stuff

>>20807451
do it as soon as you wake up every day

>>20807459
recte emendavisti, gratias tibi ago, amice

>ἴσθι ἐγὼ
>ὁρῶ νῆμα περὶ τῶν παλαιῶν φωνῶν
>περιχαρής.jpg
>νομίζω περὶ τὰς φωνὰς ἂν ἐπὶ τὸ πολὺ τὰς διατριβὰς τῶν συνόντων γενέσθαι
>ἐκκρουσθῆναι τῶν ἐλπίδων.png
>ἅπαντες περὶ τῆς ἀρίστης ὡς οἴονται μεθόδου ἀλλήλοις λοιδοροῦσί τε καὶ λοιδοροῦνται
>ὡς γελοῖοι καταπύγονες
πῶς ἂν ἡμᾶς τις δυνηθείη ἀπαλλάξαι τῆς ἐρεσχηλίας;

>>20807499
Ignosce mihi te lapidem appelanti

stop fighting please. let's all be friends.

vidistisne? mendam fecit et quisquam emendavit, et deinde gratias ei agi. Utitur latino, etiamsi prave. Bona exercitatio erit si aliquis emendaverit quod nesciebatis

>>20807541
I'm sorry I can't read Latin could you please write that in English so I can respond to you?
Thanks :)

>>20807546
Do you guys see? He made a mistake and someone corrected it and then he thanked him. He used Latin, despite being wrong. It will be a good <exercitatio?> if someone will have corrected what you didn't know.

>>20807528
sine cura sis, graecam linguam nescio
>>20807546
translate.google.com

>>20807568
>you guys
I wish English had a plural "You". We could use "y'all" but that sounds very southern American.

>royyuqe soaIfritts driip jehfs diiudro ficridsarcsie Ajisskfjögu? larfaiu, Djawqueey?
larfaiugeyyen

Βέβαιος ἀληθὴς λόγος ὅδε
>Ἴσθι ἐγὼ
>ιζ' τότε
>Γύννις Ἀβδηρίτης διατελῶν μὴ δυνάμενος συνευνασθῆναί τινι
>Παθολογικὸς φόβος θηλειῶν ἀπὸ διδασκαλείων, ὅτε δὴ γύναιόν τι τῶν φρενῶν με παρέκρουσεν
>Ἔχων νεωτέραν ἀδελφήν, ἦν δὲ τότε ιϛ' ἐτῶν
>Ἐκμανῶς δὲ ἡ ἀδελφή μου ἔχει τῶν παιδικῶν ἀῤῥένων, γλίχεται συνεκβῆναί τινι
>Ἀπαγγέλλει ὅτι «συμφοιτῴη τινί»
>Πατήρ τε κἀγὼ ἠρξάμεθα ξυμβουλευομένω ὅπως καταβάλοιμεν τὸν ἐξώλη
>Προϊουσῶν τῶν ἡμερῶν, εἰσφέρει τὸν ἄνθρωπον οἴκαδε
>Μέγας τε ἰσχνὸς καὶ μελάγχρους ὑάλους τῆς ὄψεως προϊσχόμενος
>Φαίνεται ἀμηχανῶν
>Πατήρ τε κἀγὼ καθίσαντες λέγομεν αὐτῷ ὅτι «ἐς τὸ δικαστήριον ἐσαχθείη»
>Συζητοῦμεν πρὸς ὀλίγον
>Ἐκείνω ἐξηλθέτην
>Πατήρ φησί μοι ὅτι «οὐκ ἐπὶ πολὺ ἔσται»
>Κάσις οἶκόνδε ἐπανέρχεται
>Ἀγγέλλει ἑαυτὴν διαγαγοῦσαν
>Ἑβδομάδι που ὕστερον, κασιγνήτη λέγει μοι τὸν φίλον αὐτῆς πρότερον ἑτέρᾳ τοῦ πανδιδακτηρίου μαθητρίδι συνιέναι
>Ἀδημονεῖ μὴ τὴν πανδιδακτηρίου λάθρᾳ ἀναλαβεῖν ἐθέλει
>Ἑβδομάδος διαλεθούσης ὠτακουστῶ διάλογον μητρὸς πρὸς κάσιν
>«Ἀπεταξάμεθα ἀλλήλοις»
>γέλων.κατέχεμεν.πειραόμενος.jpg
>Λέγω τῷ πατρί μου τὸ πρᾶγμα
>Γελᾷ ἀκρατῶς
>Τοὐμὸν πρόσωπον ὅτε πατὴρ προείδετο ἀκριβῶς τῆς αὑτοῦ θυγατρὸς τὴν πρώτην φιλίαν ὡς ἀποβήσεται

>>20807582
you is a plural though.

>>20807598
Based schizo

>>20807596
ὀλίγου δεῖν ἐπελαθόμην τὴν εἰκόνα ἐξενεγκεῖν

>>20807609
what are you talking about? what english lacks is the singular "thou" which "you" gradually replaced.

>>20807451
Imagine how you feel when you get a new purple sneed gloves in Bing Bing Wahoo 2: Chuck Gets Fucked (Collector's Edition with Gucci® Loafers), and you think "Holy fuck.. That 17 hours I spent clicking on Tiberium Ore was worth it, with these sneed gloves I finally have a high enough CUM stat to take on the Blood Fagget" and you don't for one second doubt any of this, it's a coherent motivational structure fit to govern your whole life

Classics transplants your innate capacity to form motivational structures, and offers you a way to turn sneed gloves into the enriching study of literature and grammar, and taking on the Blood Fagget into learning how the real world works and becoming a human fucking being.

VOLO MULIEREM
> IN EI LABORANDUM SUM

>>20807791
>tfw been grinding for 500 hours and still no sneed gloves

>>20807933
>mulierem accipere non potest
>mulier fit

Back to drilling the third conjugation.

>>20807393
am i the only one who this link does not work for?

>>20808026
sorry you're too low iq to learn a classical language

>>20807598
I is a plural for me as I am a system.

>>20808038
language learning is what we midwits use to cope with our midwitness

>>20808038
What do I put where it says (dot)?

>>20808049
I used to be a haecceity but my boyfriend ran off with a psychoanalyst

>>20808038
lol I did not look at the link

quare latine non loqitur?

cuz its a ded language

>>20808007
> Dea Minerva, crystallum praeparavi. Incipe mutationem!
> Exorire, unclit!

filum vero uti non potest dum iste adest. valete.

>>20808038
It's not working for me either, and I have an MA in Old Norse.

>>20807393
It wasn't the last thread, ἀνδροκάπραινα

>>20807582
Use you all

>>20808078
quia malumus de arte discendi disputare quam ipsum discere

>>20808101
>dum iste adest
quis iste est?

>>20808117
>ἀνδροκάπραινα
that's some rare vocab

>>20808060
>>20808065
>>20808071
>>20808115
You put a dot where it says (dot). This formatting is used to evade the spam filter.

where do you even begin trying to memorise 29 noun paradigms lmao

>>20808200
qui merdam posta(n)t

>>20808241
Could be worse, Old Norse/Icelandic has 75+ (the exact number is debated) and that isn’t even counting irregular nouns.

>>20807582
>I wish English had a plural "You"
Modern English was a mistake

>>20808265
qui merdam mittunt sunt sal fili. si sal evanuerit in quo salietur?

>Be me a few years ago, an atheistic liberal
>read the Bible because I want to give Christianity a fair chance
>discover that it's full of racism and genocidal intent towards non-Jews
>Go on Wikipedia and look up who controls the mass media
>it's all Jews
>try to tell people around me and online, but all of them are mentally retarded except for a tiny handful of internet nazis who already know
>start picking up Hebrew and Aramaic from reading all the genocidal hate literature that the Rabbis have been churning out for thousands of years
I'm frankly starting to suspect that maybe Judaism is actually the correct religion.
Judaism teaches that the Europeans are condemned to be the slaves of the Jews and fight wars for the benefit of Israel. And that's exactly what I can observe from Europeans around me and in society at large, an immeasurably strong desire to serve and protect the Jews.
If I show them a list of 359 Jewish expulsions, they give me 359 excuses why the Jews did nothing wrong, ever.
Hundreds of thousands of young men go to the middle east to fight wars against countries that are no threat at all to America or Europe, even after Bin Laden, the Taliban and Saddam repeatedly and explicitly said that they're fine with the West and that the war should be only between them and the Jews.
They openly profess allegiance to the "King of the Jews" and call themselves his servants.

Like Esav, with whom the Jews identify us of European descent, our ancestors threw their inheritance away for a pittance when they abandoned their own gods, tore down their own holy places, burned the books of their own wisemen and persecuted their own brothers in the most vicious ways until they would convert; all of that just so they can have some Jewish carpenter as their imaginary friend.

Why am I so different? Why am I both repulsed by and drawn to everything Jewish? Maybe I'm a Jewish soul born in a Gentile body as punishment for sins in a former life.
Or perhaps one of the old gods of my people seized a chance to make a child see what others don't when my father abandoned the church and chose not to give his son over to the the god-killer Yeshua-Samael-Shezmut.

>>20808893
Now write all that in your TL.

>>20807408
>sequitor
Ngmi

>>20808712
>If the salt vanishes inside what will it be salted?
?????

nescio quid conatus sis dicere.

>>20807426
retard

Estne Vulgata utile discere Linguam Latinam?

>>20809108
utilis*

>>20809001
Matthaeus 5, 13
Simplex latinum novi testamenti vulgatae est, fra

>>20809108
Tiro sum et Vulgata lego quod facilior est quam auctores antiqui (iam tria primi Evangeli legi). Censeo ut multum didici sed nescio si optimus librorum ad discendum esse.

>>20809146
>iam tria primi Evangeli legi
iam tria prima evangelia legi

>>20809146
et
>Vulgata
vulgatam

>>20808893
Is this a copypasta? If it isn't, let me tell you this. The Jewish religion is a hodge-podge amalgamation of aspects of other aryan and non-white religions, corrupted and watered down into some sort of unholy union. The sephirot is egyptian, kaballah is corrupted chaldean magic, jesus was made to mirror the archetype of baldr in the NT, and the messages of the talmud and torah is bog standard ethnocentrism combined with the uniquely Jewish sentiment of the hatred of beauty. What you see in judaism is the dark reflection of ethnocentric ideals.

About the issue of the acceptance of cultural and spiritual rot by white people, it cannot be helped. Our universe is cyclical, and once the rot had set in, the only way out is down. This is not to say that you should be indifferent to this, though, as the actions of men against time like Hitler and the emperor Julian show that even fruitless actions are not really fruitless. Their valiant actions will ultimately echo across time, and help their fellow man in the final battle. These are the people who must be remembered, not the ordinary, who willingly abandon their culture and people. But even these ordinary men, when roused by the right people, can be like armor to the righteous. What they need is a good leader, and can you really fault them for that? A society made exclusively of leaders would not function. Ultimately, it is up to no one but you, the aware man, to guide them.

So, again, if this post is real, chin up. At most, you are misguided, and this you can easily correct.

>>20809273
>actions of men against time like Hitler and the emperor Julian show that even fruitless actions are not really fruitless.
how the fuck are you going to pair hitler and emperor julian together like this? what an absolute waste of a brain

>>20807582
>>20808670
english is made by merchants for merchants. Roman languages suck in commercial world

>>20809278
>waste of a brain
waste a brain

ἐργάζεσθαι οὐκ ἐθέλω

>>20809278
Hoc. Hotler bonus erat

>>20807393
cur Marcus facere, fratres mei?

>>20809554
cur marcus facere quid?

>>20809543
>erat
retard, do you know what perfective aspect is? of course not, you dumb llpsi faggot, bald man's cock sucker

>>20809597
Sed recte scripsit, quod is non mortuus est, at in cordibus nostris vivit.

>>20807393
Volo omnem mulierem hac in imago futuere (praeter foedam Syram)

my understanding is

>bonus fuit vir
he was a good man, but now that is over as he is dead

>bonus erat vir
he was a good man in his day, while he was still alive

>>20809689
>reddit spacing

>>20809720
>not an argument

classics will be dead within 50 years.

I want to start studying Latin. Which method, and therefore which book should I pick?
>pure input
>Lingua Latina per se Illustrata
or
>grammar drilling
>Wheelock's Latin
I can only pick one which I will defend to death and of course will consider whoever read the other book an absolute retard who must be put to death and will never shut up about it even if I haven't finished the book (which is probably what's going to happen). Please recommend me the best one I can't afford to choose the wrong side.

>>20809782
mmmm they've been already dead for two millennia, sweaty

>>20809800
>or
they aren't mutually exclusive methods, use them in tandem.

why is everyone such an extremist nowadays?

>>20809805
>they aren't mutually exclusive methods
I think both impooters and grammarfags can agree on one thing: this guy is retarded lmao

>>20809809
kill yourself already you waste of cum

>>20809813
lol

>>20809809
I'm pretty sure he meant you can input whilst doing grammar on the side. Not that both extremes are mutually exclusive.

>>20808893
Why is the number of Adam Green/CJBfags increasing, stop pretending that you arrived at these conclusion independently, dont hide your sources.

you have 5 seconds to post the 2nd person plural perfect active subjunctive of tego

if you can't you need to drill

>>20810011
the only thing there that I got from CJB is the very last bit about the connection to Samael and the Shezmu theory. Everything else I had already arrived at years before Adam even got into this stuff and before I knew CJB.

>>20809273
Hi fren, is there any meme or info graph made by asperger anons that details all the books, religions and races that were condensed in "the bible" and judeo christian religion? I would like to see that, even if it takes a joint effort of many anons and time to take form

>classical languages general

>>20810011
>>20810342
since you were asking for sources, the only really obscure thing I mentioned was that the Jews identify Europeans with Esau. I came across that fact because some Christians on /new/ who were butthurt about what the Talmud says about ישוע (that he is in hell and boiling in excrement) and pointed me to tractate Gittin, 57a:
http://come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_57.html
Just down the page, on folio 57b, the Talmud relates the passage "The voice is the voice of Jacob and the hands are the hands of Esau" to the Roman Empire, and everything else followed from that.

>>20809278
>how are you going to pair a philisophically inclined Roman leader who fought against the Judeo-Christian rot and re-instituted elements of pre-Christian Graeco-Roman polytheism with a philosophically inclined German leader who fought against the Judeo-Christian rot and re-instituted elements of pre-Christian German polytheism
His comparison is pretty good, the main difference is that Julian was born a member of the Imperial Family and tried to turn things around when doing so still seemed realistic, while Hitler worked himself up from homelessness and faced impossible odds due to people having spent 1500 years dedicating their lives to the Jewish god, and Jews having massive influence over all major institutions in the West.

>>20809956
>whilst

>>20810339
Sorry we don't do that here. Grammar is banned here and everyone agrees it was invented in the 1890s in Germany

Why the FUCK does Marcus cap so much? Nigga opens his mouth and all that comes out are lies

>>20809587
Iuliam pulsat

>>20810339
tēxerītis?

>haha i read le llspi
*a year passes *
>ehh uhh barbarus tu est haha ego dico in linguam latinam kkk kek I'm fluent

>shitposting tranny is brazilian
figures

>>20810556
can you stop assuming their sexuality

Memorize this chart.

>>20810339
texeritis

>>20810564
latintutorial's videos are so based it's unreal. i watch 4-5 of his videos every day before bed.

>>20810580
He sources literally everything from allen and greenough’s new latin grammar

>>20810587
yeah, i have that book. i bought it because gregory sadler recommended it. it's a great book but the font is tiny and it hurts my eyes. latintutorial/ben's videos are better because they're easier to digest.

Quis est optimus liber grammaticus discere solus?

>>20810627
*ut discam

The infinitive rarely expresses purpose.

>>20810643
I thought you could
https://youtu.be/_EDPovhgp38?t=78

>>20810646
Only in poetry and Old Latin.

>>20810390
>is there any meme or info graph made by asperger anons that details all the books
There isn't one that I know of. I agree that making an infographic would be a good idea.

>>20807393
How long does it take to learn Old English? Given that there's a limited existing vocabulary and not much of a need to speak it IRL is it something you can pick up relatively quick? I know the grammar is deceptively complex because of its Germanic roots.

>>20811057
You can learn Gothic in a few months, so I would assume Old English may take around that time. There's more words, dialects, and stuff to read in OE - but it's closer to English which should offset the difficulty.

I guess 3-6 months is a reasonable if you are serious.

>haha i drill le grammar
*a year passes *
>ehh uhh barbarian you are haha *enumerates 30 uses of the ablative* you should have use the perfect subjunctive instead *fails to understand a simple sentence from the vulgata* kkk kek I'm a classicist

>>20809800
If you're going to read only one, pick Wheelock. You won't be able to read anything in either case but at least you will know something

>>20811195
>llspi intelligence
It was posted last thread that Enoch Powell's exam was three hours of writing in Greek.

>>20811057
Old English isn't a classical language go to /lang/

>>20811228
standard English is already a dead classical language, bro frfr no cap bixx nood

>>20811237
>, bro frfr no cap bixx nood
Millennial still seething

>>20810656
As opposed to new latin?

>>20811299
Old Latin is pre-Classical Latin. Like Plautus and Ennius.

>>20811299
yes, it's the same as classical latin except you use ater instead of the n word

>>20811299
Its the usual crap. 99% of differences are just syntax

Why does the LLPSI-sperg still spend hours on this thread hating on something he doesn't understand?

>>20811333
because I hate latin and I will do everything I can to ensure nobody ever learns it

>>20811204
>You won't be able to read anything in either case
Then how do people actually learn to read latin?

>>20811406
Jump into Caesar immediately after you finish your grammar and then struggle till you feel like giving up, then read the Vulgate to cope. When you confidence is back up, go to Caesar and try again. Rinse and repeat. If you aren't a pussy, you will be reading soon enough.

>>20811419
holy shit you just described exactly what I did lmao (still in the vulgate cope phase though)

>>20811419
>and then struggle till you feel like giving up, then read the Vulgate to cope
Many instances
Some people don't realise it takes time to learn.

I learned English by spending tens of thousands of hours playing American video games, watching Hollywood movies and reading books written in English. Did the same thing with Japanese.

If you chucklefucks think you can take a shortcut and learn a language just by spending a few hundred hours memorizing vocab lists and declension tables, you're in for a rude awakening.

>>20811467
>by spending tens of thousands of hours playing American video games, watching Hollywood movies and reading books written in English. Did the same thing with Japanese.
LLSPI method
>spending a few hundred hours memorizing vocab lists and declension tables,
Yep. It does that.

>>20811446
>>20811458
Because it's the most sensible route if you don't want to read a bunch of shitty "contemporary Latin" novellas written by female high school teachers and bad neo-Latin translations of English literature by amateurs that the publishers and editors have no idea how to quality control.

People really need to understand that these new ideas on how to learn a language, whether it's flash cards or input-only methods all have one thing in common - they want to cut corners. They want learning to be faster and easier than it actually is. The brain memorizes things because it notices their importance and thus stores them for future reference. You can't blitz your brain with Anki cards to remember something 30 years from now. This is how college kids pass exams and then forget everything a day later.

At the end of the day if you want to learn a language, you need to accept pain. Especially if you are learning an inflected language that is more complicated than your own - AND it's no longer spoken anymore. This is inherently an uphill battle. People who say Latin is easy and we just want to make it hard for no reason are fucking idiots. Nothing comes without blood, sweat, & tears. This is a post-modern utopian concept that life is magically peaceful and that we choose to have prejudices, or have hard work, or war. You can tell a lot about someone's political views based on what they think about education.

how long does it take you to just 'get' stuff with tons of different forms, like all the interrogative pronouns?

I ask because of course in English I don't even think about them, they, their, who, whose etc.

>>20811474
Pronouns are easy as shit, just write them out everyday. I did that and learned them in a week. Do not try to "input" till you understand. Also write out the irregular 8 -ius adjectives too.

https://youtu.be/mPuEO0VAh04

I just saw this, what am I thinking?

>>20811471
LLPSI is not cutting corners. It took me 2 years to go through it (including all the questions) and all the accompanying materials such as Fabellae Latinae, Colloquia Personarum, Fabulae Syrae, and Fabulae Faciles. Roma Aeterna is also 100x harder than LLPSI. You do not know what you are talking about.

Also, after those 2 years I was able to read the Vulgate with ease (and when I say ease I mean I was scanning lines and understanding almost everything as if I were reading English which is my native language) and Caesar with a dictionary with ease too. Suck it, cunt.

>>20811530
>Roma Aeterna is also 100x harder than LLPSI
I meant Roma Aeterna is 100x harder than Familia Romana.

Is there something like LLSPI for ancient Greek?
Or (biblical) Hebrew?

>>20811471
>if you don't want to read a bunch of shitty "contemporary Latin" novellas written by female high school teachers and bad neo-Latin translations of English literature by amateurs that the publishers and editors have no idea how to quality control.
I think this is one of the things that makes latin learning harder. You can't simply watch hundreds of hours of yt tutorials about whatever subject you find interesting. The easiest thing you can read is probably the new testament.

>>20811545
>ancient Greek
athenaze maybe?

>>20811548
Nope, check pic rel. There's enough reading material here to get you to the level where you'll be able to read Caesar easily. If you read everything in this picture (CAREFULLY and do ALL the questions. IF you don't understand grammar then GOOGLE it. There's nothing wrong with learning grammar and I've never been against it), you'll know 6000+ words of Latin and you'll be able to read Latin as if you were reading your native language.

>>20811545
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6242126

>>20811545
No because those languages aren't popular enough to get shitty meme books

>>20811564
I'm actually enjoying the new testament, way more than familia romana and fabulae syriae

>>20811579
>shitty meme books
?

>>20811585
Llspi has not taught anyone latin

>>20811580
Read whatever you find enjoyable. You're doing more than the trolls in this thread. Now I'm gonna go read while these non-Latin readers (NLRs) like >>20811579 waste their time.

Bye, NLRs.

>>20811530
>took 2 years to read Familia Romana
Could have finished Wheelock in 3 months and started reading immediately with a dictionary. Within 6 months after that you'd be reading with ease without the dictionary.
>Nope, check pic rel. There's enough reading material here to get you to the level where you'll be able to read Caesar easily.
Just read Caesar. Kids in 1800 didn't have this and they read Caesar fine enough. Kids in 1300 didn't have it either and they could read Caesar and then write their own poetry in Latin. Why are you guys like this?

>>20811591
how's your latin level?

>>20811602
I know you are asking just as a checkmate to win an argument, but let me actually tell you in case you are really interested.

My Latin stalled significantly since I started using LLPSI. I started out using Wheelock's Latin a while ago and was making swift progress in it and made it about halfway through the book in month or so until I fell for the bald man memes and quit the book to try Orberg.

I made it about a third into Orberg and I've recently put it down, possibly for good. I was not understanding new grammar when introduced and understood things much better when they were simply written in English. I realized that I was making myself frustrated for absolutely no reason just to learn the "natural way" according to randos on the internet. I've decided to take a break and start back on Wheelock after I've had some time studying my other languages.

Everyone who can actually read Latin has encouraged me to finish Wheelock and try Caesar. Since it's a method with 2000 years behind it and all the accomplished people I trust have done it, I decided to go back to the thing that was actually yielding results for me. It's a pretty simple idea that when the only people promoting an idea are transexuals on Reddit and Discord - and the people who oppose the idea write textbooks and grammars for a living and have PHD's in classics and linguistics, then it may be time to reexamine things. That's what I did and I'm comfortable with that decision.

The grammar introduction method is how I was learning Russian and French and I have no idea why for Latin I felt like I needed to do the opposite. Wheelock is no different that the Makaroff grammar I'm using for Russian or the Penguin book either. I'm interested in the Latin Assimil and may look into that, but for now I think I'm done with Orberg.

>>20811624
>it didn't work for me so it doesn't work at all
OK, NLR

>>20811648
>it doesn't work at all
Never said that.
You are so insecure about the method you promote, that you have a victim complex and take a nuanced opposing argument and reduce it to a generalization that I never even made.

You ask me about my personal Latin learning and then accuse it of being anecdotal?

>>20811653
Go learn Latin, dumb NLR

>>20811624
Is this for real? lmao, I bet you're the same troll who larps as the inpootroon

>>20811653
>my personal Latin learning
you never learned latin though

>>20811580
LMAO, Latin really is a meme. Imagine getting coaxed into learning Latin and finding out that most of the texts worth reading are just translations from Greek, like the New Testament.

Should've just learned Greek if you wanted to actually read interesting ancient texts in the original.

This entire thread is a masterclass in how Discord trannies argue. Let's break this down.

>>20811471
>Anon says that learning your grammar and trying your had at Caesar is a popular way.
>He's replying to people who've said this is exactly what they did.

>>20811530
>The Tranny frantically defends LLPSI with ad hominems and cursing and brags about taking 2 years to finish a half inch thick textbook.

>>20811591
>Anon states that Wheelock can be done in 3 months.

>>20811602
>Rather than comment or refuting this, the Tranny asks Anon what his Latin skill is like.

>>20811624
>Anon explains his experience with Orberg and why he''s moving on to something else. Says that it didn't help his Latin as advertised.

>>20811648
>After asking Anon a personal question, he dismisses the personal answer as anecdotal and
>misquotes Anon and attacks strawman.

>>20811653
>Anon clarifies and notes hypocrisy.

>>20811661
>Finishes with ad hominem

>>20811676
>>20811681
>Possible samefag, or in the least a mob pile on of added ad hominems.

No one makes any progress in their Latin learning.

>>20811698
seethe, nlr

It's a shame Breviarium by Eutropius receives little attention here, it's very legible, original classical Latin without the weird meme peculiarities (and subject) of the Vulgata.

>>20811708
You asked me what's my Latin level. What's yours? Please answer me in Latin, Romaboo Giga-Chad.

>>20811698
his opinion is worthless since he doesn't know any Latin, he hasn't even finished any of the books he talks about
both the grammarfag and the inpoot tron are the two sides of the same coin

>>20811698
>AD HOMINEM... LE BAD

>>20811718
>he hasn't even finished any of the books he talks about
hahahahaahahah fucking hell, that's embarrassing

>>20811718
>his opinion is worthless since he doesn't know any Latin
This sentence has been written in English more times than I would care to have read it in this thread. Why don't you fucking faggots write your insults in Latin. Nobody wants to here an incel tell someone else to touch grass. If you guys are such Latin giga-Chads, then prove it. You judge everyone else's Latin - who the fuck are you??? How does anyone know what your level is. At least I've been 100% open about where I'm at in my studies. The people calling me a fagoot and cunt haven't written a single line of Latin in this thread. The people who say I can't read Latin haven't written anything in Latin for me to read.

>>20811698
What's wrong with Discord?

>>20811728
Go finish Wheelock's instead of wasting time, stupid NLR.

>>20811732
they harvest your data and forbid expressing non-leftist opinions

>>20811624
>The grammar introduction method is how I was learning Russian and French
how many books have you read in those

>>20811778
he seems like one of those types to start "learning" multiple languages and not make progress in any. i know someone like him. he's "learning" german, sanskrit and japanese but he's going at a snail's pace because it's just too much to do all at once. meanwhile i focused on just latin and 3 years later i'm reading Ovid.

>impoot troon
>knows which latin learning method is the best one
>doesn't know latin
>hasn't finished llpsi

>grammer fag
>knows which latin learning method is the best one
>doesn't know latin
>hasn't finished wheelock
Came on this can't be real. Im starting to think there's actually good fiction writers on /lit/

>>20811784
>it took him three years to read ov*d

>>20811796
what's wrong with ovid?

>>20811796
yes. no dictionary.

>>20811708
>>20811718
>>20811723
>>20811724
>>20811751
>>20811778
>>20811784
>>20811790

Still waiting for you people to write something in Latin. I'm the only person in this thread not trying to hide what level I'm at. And I'm the one getting critiqued by people who are suspiciously quiet about their own. I never said I knew what was the "best". I said I went with what most people have been using for the longest. I don't give a fuck what you do since you can't even mock me in Latin, you can't be that far ahead of me. Do it in Latin. As long as you write to me in English, I'll assume you are still stuck on "Roma in Italia Est".

>>20811790
I would pay to see them arguing irl

Roma et Graeca in Europa sunt.

>>20811802
aliquid

>>20811802
>pretends to be an expert
>ok prove it
>noooooooo you first it's not fair
you're getting criticized for the exact same reason the inpoot faggot was

Gee, I wonder why it got so quiet in here all of the sudden?
Is it >>20811802 ?

When you guys are asked to write your arguments in Latin, all the sudden you stop accusing other people of not reading Latin - since you don't either I'm guessing. Next time if you disagree with me, then address my argument instead of just using ad hominems and strawmen, because you clearly haven't finished your textbook either.

If I've learned one thing it's that the only anons here that have talked openly about their studies used a grammar book. None of them try to hide what level they are at, yet the anons kicking and screaming about Orberg never say what chapter they are on, what texts they have read, nor do they write anything in Latin. The one guy they opened up a little bit made a fucking fool of himself saying it took him 2 years just to finish Familia Romana and he can't even write a fucking sentence in Latin here and disappears when asked to say literally ANYTHING in Latin.

If anyone's opinion can be discarded, it's YOURS. You guys are the one's hiding when push comes to shove.

>>20811843
>you claim to know the best way
>you said llpsi doesnt work at all
>you pretend to be an expert
Do you just invent fake quotes from the people you are talking to in order to win an argument?

Say it to me in Latin bitch.

>>20811843
Which textbooks have you finished? What texts have you read? Write a sentence in Latin. Literally any sentence. Just one, not even two or three.

>>20811854
see
>>20811591
>>20811624

>>20811802
... how many books have you read in French and Russian?

I'm beginning to think coming to this general is a net negative

>>20811869
Where does it say "llpsi doesn't work at all for anyone"
Where does it say "I'm an expert, take my advice"
Where does it say "I know the best way"

What it says is "Wheelock can be completed a lot faster. I tried this Orberg book and didn't like it. I'm gonna stick to the way that most people have been learning."

You still haven't said what level you are at. You asked me about mine and I answered. What's yours? I'm just curious?

>>20811875
None! Because I'm not here to pretend to be fluent like you. How many books have you read in Latin. You still haven't answered. You can keep asking me about myself, I have nothing to hide. Care to share about how fluent you are in Latin? I'm still waiting and I'm excited to here from someone as skilled as you. I can probably learn a whole lot!

>>20811858
I don't study Latin though

>>20811883
>None! Because I'm not here to pretend to be fluent like you.
Thanks for answering and confirming that your point here
>The grammar introduction method is how I was learning Russian and French and I have no idea why for Latin I felt like I needed to do the opposite.
is completely worthless.

>ad infinitum et ad nauseam.

>>20811876
Once you stop taking it seriously you'll see it's pure comedy.

>>20811887
Still waiting for you to tell me about your level.

>>20811891
99

Guy doesn't even study Latin and he's shilling Orberg arguing with a grammarfag.

>>20811884
>>20811893
You faggots derailed a thread for nothing.

>>20811894
I shill neither, since I don't study Latin.

>>20811902
the insecure half-wheelock-half-LLPSI freak derailed the thread. look at all his insecure shitposts:
>>20811891
>>20811883
>>20811858
>>20811846
>>20811802
>>20811728
>>20811712
>>20811698
>>20811653
>>20811624
the little freak is writing walls of text and getting trolled lmao

>>20811910
You just derailed an entire thread arguing with someone just because he said he personally didn't like the Orberg book.

>>20811915
>the little freak is writing walls of text and getting trolled lmao
People asked me about my level and I answered them. Then I asked about their level and they never replied. So I'll keep asking. I have two monitors, I can multitask.

>>20811915
>the insecure half-wheelock-half-LLPSI freak
this. just peak a side like any person

>>20811926
I said I tried it and quit LLPSI.

>>20811926
>peak

>>20811925
what country are you from?

>>20811920
I just asked, out of curiosity, to prove he knew what he was talking about and he went mad.

he's definitely an english native and has never learned a language to fluency in his life

>>20811925
>>20811884

>>20811941
I'm done answering questions from people who won't answer mine.
>he's definitely an english native and has never learned a language to fluency in his life
Still waiting for you to write something in Latin. Easy to criticize other people's language skills as a person with no language skills.

>>20811953
I'm not that guy. I just want to know what country you're from. I have no dog in this race because I use LLPSI + grammar + table drilling + spaced repetition memorisation.

>>20811953
i've learned english and japanese to fluency so i know how the process works - not the people you were arguing with throughout the thread btw just adding my 2 cents
and yeah i don't know latin yet but i'm working on it :)

>>20811962
>i've learned english and japanese to fluency so i know how the process works
how did you do it?

>>20811968
read a fuckton of english and japanese of increasing difficulty while googling stuff i don't know

>>20811974
how do I start with japanese?

>>20811976
learnjapanese.moe

post yours

>>20811987
thanks friend. i've always wanted to learn moonrunes.

>>20811990
chad reporting in

I've yet to see one Greek learner here seethe about the Italian Athenaze or Rouse's Greek boy even though the argument against contemporary Attic is ever stronger that with Latin. Curious.

>>20811974
>yeah bro just read latin manga bro

>>20811999
just trolls trolling trolls. the natural approach really does work.

>>20811999
they actually study and know greek

>>20812007
yeah but the method is the same as LLPSI's yet they don't cry about how it doesn't work

>>20812005
That's not what I'm saying either. Why can't you people just learn your grammar and supplement it with extensive reading of easy Greek/Latin?

>>20812018
i'm not against learning grammar

>>20812003

>>20812014
they aren't faggots who have not finished Athenaze or their grammar book though

>>20812028
is this the manga where a roman time travels to modern day japan? i think they made a live action movie of it too

>>20812037
yes, thermae romae

>>20811990

classical languages always attract elitist autists who want to show off their skills which is why these threads get so hostile

>>20812037
they released an anime adaptation too this year. it's pretty comfy and this is coming from someone who has watched only like three anime series before

>>20812060
i might check it out then. thanks friendo.

>>20812053
skills?

>>20812063
yeah, shitposting skills

I propose we ban Latin from these threads. It's really only the Latin learners who cause trouble. Everyone else is chilled out. A lot of cool people have left the general because of all the Latin autism too, such as the Coptic learner, the Sumerian learner, the classical Chinese learner, and others too.

>>20812082
anon we tried this when we moved latin to a different thread and what ended up happening is that the clg thread died because of no activity and the posters came crawling back to the latin thread

>>20812082
You already tried that some time ago (do you remember /lll/?)
You can't survive without us.

>>20812082
We already did that once already and the general pretty much died instantly lol. Just remember that these people who find the methods of learning more important than the end goal will eventually quit and find some new quirky hobby to get autistic about.

>>20812082
I shit up this thread on purpose because I hate Lat*n. I won't stop until Lat*n is banned from this thread.

>>20812110
very cool. what classical languages do you know?

>>20812119
Esperanto

Most people seem retarded here, but I'll ask my question anyways.

What are the prospects of working in classics these days? Is the work what one would expect: working with ancient texts in ancient languages? Is it difficult to get into a masters program? What is required? I am asking because I would really like to work in a field which will allow me to indulge in my passion for ancient languages and literature/philosophy. Is classics even the best field for someone like me?

>>20812082
you get the thread bumped and almost always on page 1 for for free by latinlets chimping, what's not to like

>>20811961
I'm American.

>>20811962
I know this is not popular to say, but I'm very skeptical of applying ESL methods to a highly inflected language. I have no doubts that whatever you were doing works, but that is my concern is it can be a bit tone deaf to recommend a one-size-fits all method based on say a Russian native learning English through arguing with people online and watching YouTube videos. Monolingual English speakers need more grammar explanation than you might think. Our language is unbelievably stupid and still many natives can barely conjugate the verb "to be" correctly. I wish you luck in your studies, do whatever is providing you with results. I was only trying to describe what was giving me results, nothing more.

>>20811961
>LLPSI + grammar + table drilling
the godly trio

>>20812212
You may be able to finally answer The Great Debate (TGD)

>>20812351
>I'm American
lol

>>20812365
that's just the normal person's way of learning

>>20812345
latin is the nigger of classical languages

>>20812398
I quit Latin a month ago. Cam to check and see if the threads are still bad. It's bad.

This shit attracts too many midwits. Meme YouTubers made the most accessible classical language even more accessible to the worst people imaginable and now they won't leave.

>>20812387
>not partisanly picking a side

Based Soomer here.

I'm learning Sumerian through comprehensible inpoot with the Epic of Gilgamesh Coloring Book, 5th edition. I threw out my outdated Edwardian grammar books that my professor recommended assigned me. You don't need to know what a "present tense" is too learn a 5 thousand year old language. They invented tenses in the 1800's. I'm using this new thing called "spaced repetition" you may have heard of before. I've seen many YouTube videos of people who have learned Japanese in only 2 weeks using this amazing new program called "Anki". I'm also going to learn cunieform through inferring meaning as well. Using English to learn the phonology of the writing system is not real acquisition. If I read an English explanation, then I'm not *learning the language*, I'm just learning *about the language*. What my lord and savior Stephen Krashen said about learning Spanish applies to every language, included Sumerian.

>>20812455
Grammarfags BTFO

>grammar
It didn't exist until the 1860s you retard professor until the Prussians invented it. Have you really never been on a /clg/ thread?

>>20812481
>>20812560
If I can learn broken English by watching Hannah Montana reruns while in a hut in Uganda, then I don't see why I can't learn to Sumerian by inferring inpooot.

>>20812581
wow based you're getting my neovagina wet

>>20812640
Ladies love the Soom

>>20807393
When transcribing the declensions and conjugations, is it necessary to do the irregulars like possum, volo, nolo, malo, etc? or can I just stop at 4th conjugation and sum?

>>20812735
for anyone who doesn't have this excel file, it's ranieri's(tm) list of forms

>>20811990

>>20811467
What's your native language?

redpill me on writing stuff out 100 times

is it a legit way to solidify knowledge?

no

maybe

>>20812943
imo it's stupid to write something out 100 times without doing something else inbetween

You should write some forms out a few times, but then do something to give meaning to that knowledge, ie read a real latin text.
Then write it out again a few times.

Dowling and by extention Ranieri prescribe to write out the forms 100+ times before even starting llpsi (and by extension any latin texts at all) but this is retarded. You should do a bit of writing forms, then a bit of reading latin, then some more forms, then some more latin, and keep going back and forth.

If you mindlessly copy forms, you're not learning anything else except how to write out forms that hold no meaning

I haven’t seen a single competent latin speaker in the week I’ve been here.

>>20811915
>half-wheelock-half-LLPSI
YOU HAVE TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER IT'S ONLY EITHER/OR I KNOW BECAUSE I LEARN LANGUAGES AND EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD LEARNS LANGUAGES YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT I DO WHICH IS ONE THING OR THE OTHER THERES NO MIDDLE GROUND YOU HAVE TO CHOSE???? WHAT TRANNY???? YOU READ BOOKS AND DO GRAMMAR?????? YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHAT DID I SAY TRANNY????? YOU GOTTA BE LIKE ME, I HAVEN'T LEARNED A SINGLE MODERN LANGUAGE BUT I STILL KNOW HOW TO READ LATIN BECAUSE I'M NOT A TRANNY

Non miror, merdas si libet esse cani.

>Καὶ ἔστιν αὕτη ἡ ἀγγελία ἣν ἀκηκόαμεν ἀπ' αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀναγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν, ὅτι ὁ θεὸς φῶς ἐστὶν καὶ σκοτία οὐκ ἔστιν ἐν αὐτῷ οὐδεμία.

>>20807582
yall is the correct answer in /currentyear/ it's only one syllable and everyone understands what you mean. It only 'sounds southern' because those people figured it out before all yall other retards

>>20812212
>What are the prospects of working in classics these days?
If you want to teach Latin at the high school level almost endless. If you want to teach at a university you are fucked unless you are black or an LGBT woman. Positions are scarce, pay is awful, tenure tracks are closely guarded.
>working with ancient texts in ancient languages?
Maybe in some countries in Europe. In the US and England diversity reigns supreme and unpacking and deconstructing ancients and trashing Western culture is what you will be doing or you will not be published and will not be getting any promotions. Toe the line or you're out and the line keeps moving.
>Is it difficult to get into a masters program?
No, pay money
>What is required?
Bachelor's, preferably in Classics. They just want your money so you are almost guaranteed to be accepted.
>Is classics even the best field for someone like me?
Not anymore. The hoops you will have to jump through to make a career out of Classics will destroy any passion you have for the field. The Classics are dead in the Anglo world. It is a shame but there is little you can do about it. Pursue your passion on your own time, dedicate yourself to it and self-publish findings.

>>20813622
>the week
sweet summer child
you are right though

>>20812365
>centrist

>>20807791
I can't work up the motivation to play video games that long either, these days I mostly sit outside my folks house drinking tea and smoking in between rounds of browsing shitposting and masturbating on the internet

>>20808670
>thou is the subject and thee is the object
>but you is not the subject and ye is not the object
Fucking cheers.

>>20811999
Greekbros really are the unsung chads

>>20813785
retard. read the thread and stop sperging. when i said half-wheelock-half-LLPSI i meant literally that he has read half of wheelock and half of LLPSI and thinks he's an authority on latin or learning latin. stop jumping into things you aren't a part of, subhumanoid.

>>20814344
>England
wrong. don't talk about my country. you don't know what you're talking about.

are there any good latin workbooks?

>>20814655
>read the thread and stop sperging
Why the fuck would anyone learning a language read THIS thread? Topkek

Does anyone know what Kianene is?

>>20814665
mmhmm
Cambridge

>>20814720
don't care. that shit is lip service. here's the actual syllabus:
https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/classics
click on course outline. here are some excerpts for you:

>You learn to read Latin confidently through language study and the reading of texts from the Roman world. You also study Roman culture, submit essays for assessment, and start work on Ancient Greek.
>Written texts are a major source of evidence for classical antiquity. In IA, you study texts in the original Greek and Latin from the most familiar periods of ancient literature by central authors such as Homer, Euripides, Plato, Virgil, Ovid and Cicero.
>You also study elements of ancient history, archaeology, art, philosophy, philology and linguistics, as well as modern usages of the classical tradition, to build the broadest possible understanding of the ancient world and our relationship to it. Reading and language classes directed by specialist language teachers, as required, extend your knowledge of the ancient languages. End of year exams test your linguistic and literary comprehension and essay writing skills. Your language exams will be adapted to take into account your language ability when you started the course so that your results accurately reflect your progress over the course of the year.

and so on. don't tell me about my country.

>>20814665
St. Andrews

>>20814729
that's nice
Oxford

>>20814730
St Andrews is Scottish. also here's their syllabus:

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/subjects/classical-studies/classical-studies-ba/#d.en.119813

excerpts:
>The Greeks in a Wider World: surveys Greek history from the origins of the Greek city-states in the Archaic period (ca. 800 BCE), through the heyday of Athens’ empire and democracy in the fifth century and the struggle for supremacy among the Greek cities in the fourth, to Alexander the Great’s conquest of the Persian Empire. Alongside political and military history, the module tackles topics such as religious belief, slavery, and Greek interactions with other peoples of the ancient Mediterranean world.
>Rome and the Mediterranean: traces Rome’s trajectory from a small settlement in central Italy to the centre of a Mediterranean empire. The module examines a wide range of topics, including politics, the family, religion, slavery, poverty and the economy. It exposes the links between the growth of Rome’s power abroad and the transformation and eventual collapse of its Republican government at home and the rise of the first emperor, Augustus.
>Elementary Latin 1 and 2: provides an introduction to the Latin language for beginners, concentrating on morphology, vocabulary, and basic syntax.
>World of Latin 1 and 2 (only available to students who have studied Latin to SQA Higher, GCE A-Level or equivalent): enhances understanding of Latin language and literature through study of both verse and prose set texts and regular language classes.

etc

>>20814729
Durham

>>20814737
cool
UCL
Lot of lip service going on in England

>>20807393
where do you even use this dead language? so you can feel better than other people?

>>20814735
meanwhile at oxford, classics students study the ilaid and the aeneid, etc

https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/courses/course-listing/classics

it's too easy to refute you.
>>20814738
https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/q801/
>>20814741
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/prospective-students/undergraduate/degrees/classics-ba
>The main emphasis of the programme is on the study of Latin and Greek texts in the original language. The choice of options is very wide, but the language element follows a set pattern. Students must take at least 30 credits of Latin-based modules, and at least 30 credits of Greek-based modules per year. In addition, there are some compulsory modules in the first and second years involving texts in translation. The wide range of optional modules includes philosophy and science, ancient history and the various branches of archaeology.

lol @ you thinking st andrews is english. shows how dumb you are.

Damn this thread has been inspirational and helpful in my pursuit of learning Latin, thanks guys and girls!

stupid subhuman can't even google syllabus information to see what universities actually teach.

>>20814752
Refuting the commitments to diversity and equality taken straight from department websites? OK.
You are posting links to undergraduate syllabi when the topic was about working in Classics. Boy, you sure must be mad to have missed that. It's all good though, I'm just a stupid subhuman.
Would you mind telling a department chair that the Equality, Diversity and Inclusion statements are 'lip service'? Surely you would not be kicked out for that. Better yet why not tweet that to the university deans and your local politicians? It isn't like you'll be arrested for hate speech, right?

>>20814780
>let me tell you about your country
i studied classics at warwick. the classes were 99% white. diversity and equality drives are to encourage non-white students to take up courses/degrees they don't usually take up but it turns out not many of them want to study latin, greek, sanskrit, etc. where do you live?

I study Classics at one of the universities you posted, and you have no idea what it's actually like, just a paranoid delusion

>>20814791
Please email your former advisor, dean and professors to tell them this is 'lip service'. They will be glad to amend it to make it more honest, I'm sure. Please also tweet that this is 'lip service'. Be sure to @ local police departments, university chairs, the mayor and as many BLM activists as you can. Surely your great country will respect and applaud your liberty and freedom of speech.

>university deans
>deans
oh wait, you're american. i should've known. only americans are arrogant enough to think they know intimately about other countries when in fact they're wholly ignorant.

>>20814804
Yes, that must be true. Have you told your professors that Equality and Diversity are 'lip service' yet?

>>20814805
it obviously is lip service. what has warwick got to do with murders in the US? nothing. it's virtue signalling, but the courses themselves are solid.
>>20814804
he's just a dumb american. they think they know it all.

>>20814806
but what is this?
>>20814811
If it is so obvious then you will have no problem saying so publicly. Why don't you?.

>>20814819
>england's classics courses are pozzed
>refuted by syllabus spam
lol

If you're going to defend anti western ideologies fuck off to /pol/, we are here to learn languages.

>LLPSI + grammar + table drilling
Why are people so brainedead? The whole point of the book is you don't do the last two.

>>20814805
Why are Amerikkkans so sick?

>>20814835
some of us have to do the latter two for academic purposes

>>20814840
Academics don't use meme books

Translation exercise:

>Eorum qui domum redierunt, censu habito ut Caesar imperaverat, repertus est numerus milium centum et decem.

In addition to your translation please provide the declension, case, number and gender of every noun and the person, number, tense, aspect, and mood of every verb.

>>20814907
>aspect
meant voice

>>20814745
>where do you even play baseball? so you can feel better than other people?

>>20814907
οὗτοι οἳ οἴκαδε ἧκον, τιμήσεως γενομένης ὡς Καῖσας ἐκέλευσε, τὸν ἀριθμὸν εὑρέθησαν μύριοι ἑκατὸν καὶ δέκα

>>20812855
Κοινή

>>20815074
>>20815074
>>20815074

>>20815065
ψεύστης

>>20812455
exactly! Anki and extensive reading are my deities.Imagine studying languages,especially modern ones that have endless content in them and doing grammar drills.