/lit/ - Literature

books that goes indepth about the economics of factions and other realistic elements (opposite of shallow two dimensional factions, cultures, and characters) and also that the world is also in a state of medieval style total war?

>>20803692
I was really fascinated by the hidden empire building that occurred over time while there was peace that led up to the events in lotr. While the strengths of elves, men, and dwarves waned, sauron's empire grew stronger in the shadows

>>20803662
Not going to lie but looking at the image, having a Lovecraftian horror novel set during the prohibition era, having gangsters and police officers work together to try and deal with the cosmic horror would be kino.

The other thread was technically started earlier. But I'm posting in this one, because it has better starting posts.

Anyway Beware of Chicken was pretty good. Color me shocked. It was good *despite* the isekai and cultivation stuff. I liked that he was a man outside of his element, but granted with great gifts, and he defied society conventions. However, that's just fucking GOKU.(no hate to Goku, I like Goku) They didn't need to make him a hockey playing, maple syrup drinking, poutine eating Canadian who got isekai'd into another realm. They could have just made him an eccentric guy. A powerful foreigner from across sea or some shit. The story would have been exactly the same, without the cringe real life reference.

The book has a lot of anime "humor" that doesn't really land. But it also has good humor that does. And it even got me to laugh aloud a couple times. It's my first Isekai(aside from Digimon back in the day. It pretty much confirmed everything I feared Isekai(and LitRPG) would be. Heavy leaning on tropes. Reveling in the tropes. Rolling around in the tropes like a pig in shit. I don't think I want more. But I'm not mad I read it either.

You guys weren't joking.

The Wandering Inn gets pretty fucking good around chapter 358.

>female protagonist
yeah, no

Good thriller?

what a truly dogshit opening salvo of posts, is this what this general is now?

Are any of Anne McCaffrey's books good?

whenever I read nonfiction outside of the classics, I can't help but feel like the author is tryharding

>>20804091
Delta-V by Daniel Suarez was alright

>>20804091
Hunt for Red October.

READ CRADLE!

>>20804610
the will wight book?

>>20803917
is this bait

>>20804668
not him, but why would it be bait?

>>20804678
when do you think lovecraft lived and wrote his books?

>>20804678
Aren't like most of his and his contemporaries' stories set exactly in that type of setting

>>20804689
>>20804690
ok but anon brought up a hypothetical story about gangsters and mobsters fighting lovecraftian kaiju, the point wasnt just the setting

Water sleeps

read cradle!

How do you stay motivated to keep reading, bros? I didn't have this problem when I was younger, but I pretty much have to force myself to read anything these days; even shit I really want to read.

>>20804898
audiobooks..

>>20804898
I go for a walk every day and read and I read before I go to bed every night

>>20804898
idk i've been reading for as long as I can remember

>>20804778
why? what's his writing like, or the focus of the books?

>>20804922
audio is literally a different medium

My dad recently passed so I inherited most of his stuff. Been picking up some his books and got hooked on Zelazny. Blew through the first 5 Amber books in about a week and am now waiting for the complete collection to come in the mail so I can read the last 5.
I feel like I know what you all will say, but are the prequels written by another author worth reading?

>>20804937
That guy's a shitposter but the focus of Will Wight's books is cool fights and fun characters. That's it, really. He also likes cosmic horror concepts but hates making it scary, so if you want to read an anime about a guy punching out Cthulhu then read Cradle.

>>20804898
I was like this for several years until I found something I really enjoyed reading. Now the bug is back and I can't stop

>>20804958
maybe.. is the powerfantasy/progression done well?
actually that's what im sort of feeling right now, if you have any of your own suggestions id appreciate it

>>20804953
this is /literature/ not /paperbacks/ faggot

last good book you read that came out in the past 5 years ?

>The Wandering Inn gets pretty fucking good around chapter 358

Delete this shitty fucking general, holy fucking shit.

>>20803917
Shit tier opinion. That genuinely sounds horrible.

>>20804972
None of the Cradle books are long and each features at least one major powerup. The series works really well at setting up fights for the MC against enemies just out of his reach that he has to use tactics to defeat as he gets stronger and stronger. It's never a wankfest for the MC though like some books in the genre. Arguably Lindon doesn't get enough development as a character but at least the author knows this and it comes back to bite him in Book 9, A Thousand Li is much better at showing actual human character development though who knows if that series is going to continue after the author fucked up big time

slowly making my way through The Way of Kings.
Kaladin's POV is the best. Pure kino
Dalinar's POV (and his sons) is a snoozefest, and unfortunately, he got so much page time.

>>20803917
I wrote that as a scenario for CoC TTRPG and my player thought I went full retard when I gave yig followers and serpent people tommy guns, fedoras, and cigarettes. They were in some underground cult that broke out into crime to fund their operations.

>>20805029
cool, i dig it. a lot of the epics ive read recently neglect this sort of growth; or it's an afterthought, a tease, etc.
..so, how'd he fuck up? the series? or is in jail or something, lol

>>20805113
Tao Wong has a litRPG series called System Apocalypse, about a post-apocalyptic world where game mechanics suddenly become how the world functions. While not the actual first in its genre, it essentially codified things and became the genre name for all stories like it. However, after letting many other authors write novels under the 'System Apocalypse' umbrella for years, he abruptly decided to copyright it and get Amazon to remove his competitors etc. He instantly became persona non grata and everyone on reddit (commies) hate him now.

>>20805032
I prefferred dalinar's pov's
It's not often you get to read the pov of the older successful leader type

>>20805168
>>20805032
i've just started it. i've really enjoyed dalinar and son's parts so far-- the first encouters with wit, and the relationship w/ the kings other right hand man (forget name).. so far. kaladin is still in the process of getting shit on.. im guessing my opinion will flip as kaladin pops off.

If I'm writing something set in a blatant ripoff of a real life historical place (Medieval Morocco), is it better to just bite the bullet and set it in that place/time, rather than create a world for no real reason?

>>20805312
>inb4 g2/wg/
Guy Gavriel Kay creates his own original facsimiles of real world times and places but there's no reason you can't just write historical fiction/fantasy. Just keep in mind how much research you may have to do.

>>20805032
Dalinar POV is great in Oathbringer

>>20805254
>so far. kaladin is still in the process of getting shit on.. im guessing my opinion will flip as kaladin pops off.
He made me tear up a few times.
?When he picked up the spear in the chasm
the dude will pop off later for sure. 2jha4

>>20805168
>>20805254
>>20805344
>>20805368
Friendly reminder that the first two books are great, but with Oathbringer the series takes a nose-dive and plummets down to shit. You're likely not to even attempt reading the book 4.

>>20805312
no one is familiar w/ this setting anyway; you have to sell it for its merits. am i supposed to be visualizing rugs on clay walls and dudes wewaring fez'? fuck if i know..

>>20805312
Anon, no one sane person ever creates an entire world from scratch, unless you want something utterly alien as a setting. Everyone copies this or that. Coping an entire culture with changed names is run-of-the-mill approach. No one fucking cares. You could use average European country as a setting with changed names and americafags would drool over how 'original' it is.

No one will ever say that you are stealing, unless they are 12 and edgy.

>>20804690
What is some fun and comfy fantasy that I can read even when exhausted from caring for a newborn baby?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH7YjpPZ7Dg

What is some fun and comfy fantasy that I can read even when exhausted from caring for a newborn baby?

>>20805441
Legends&Lattes is supposedly extremely comfy.

Ligotti isn’t that great to me but I really love Lovecraft and Poe, especially their poesy (or Poe-ems).

Why did the last 20 pages of Unholy Consult turn into an episode of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure?

>>20805312
>>20805330

Many authors take influence from real world history and this has been very fruitful for some. For example Prince of Nothing is a recounting of the First Crusade, and A Song of Ice and Fire is about the Four of the Four Roses. The thing about these real world histories is that because they happened, they are realistic, and if you go by what happened there without making it too obvious, you'll have a magical yet believable story.

>>20805312
>is it better to just bite the bullet and set it in that place/time, rather than create a world for no real reason?
If you set it in a real place/time, most people will expect to keep it historically accurate, so you'll have to actively work on making sure there are no errors; even the smallest ones will not be unnoticed.
For example if you have a scene where peasants are casually eating a fruit, you'll first have to make sure that the fruit had already reached morocco by the medieval times and it was cheap enough to be available for peasants to eat casually. You have to learn the etiquette of that time, classes and their place in society, density of the populations (if you want to write about cities, battles) and so on

Meanwhile doing a blatant ripoff fantasy world gives an ability to do whatever the fuck you want. Look at the poppy war. It's obviously set in china and mirrors sino-japanese war but it's technically a fictional world so all the inaccuracies are forgiven

>>20805489
>I really love Lovecraft and Poe
Cringe

>>20805489
Read Clark Ashton Smith.

What Lovecraft Mythos other than the man himself is worth reading?

>>20805590
Laird Barron

>>20805549
I got this coming in the mail Anon.
I’m also saving up to get the complete poetry of CAS! I’m so excited.
>>20805540
I love what I love, unabashedly.

>>20805505
Yeah, the ending was crazy. Even before that it became really schizo with the spear and the dragon and whatnot.

>anons discussing Sanderson ITT
>no one calls him or them shit
Haven't been here in a few years, is this how far the thread has degenerated?

Branderson bad doe

>>20803662
https://www.biblio.com/blog/2022/01/collecting-robert-jordans-the-wheel-of-time-series/
Should I collect Wheel of Time?

>>20805725
Yes, but don't read it.

I hate women. I despise women. I loathe women.

>>20805777
Read Tanith Lee and act accordingly.

>>20804958
Cradle's main advantage is it knows it's not more than it is. It knows it's basically just a shonen anime in book form, but it owns it pretty well and gives some very well-realised characters. Not deep characters, necessarily, but they're all very well-presented and you clearly get an idea of the 'voice' they have.

>>20805698
Sanderson isn't a great, but I would be hard-pressed to call him bad. He has bad writing habits that become more and more glaring as he makes bigger books (pacing and reuse of similar archetypes for example) but he's clearly a competent writer, just one who is frustrating in some aspects.

>>20805855
He is a competent planner of fake science and geographic movement, but his work is devoid of literary value.

Jim Butcher is better at plotting than Sanderson, y/n?

>>20805777
Based Bakkerchad

>>20805858
That's a broad and useless detracting statement. Entertainment is a value. I wouldn't say Sanderson's a favourite, but he's consistently 'decent' at worst. Rhythm of War and Hero of Ages are his only books I've left feeling really underwhelmed by, because the former was all over the place and the latter was just 90% "everything sucks" filler.

>>20806002
Sure, entertainment is a value, but that doesn't make his books good. I find the Jeremy Kyle Show entertaining, but it's not exactly Citizen Kane.

>>20805463
I hope that anon with the hate crush on that insipid faggot Baldree sees this and yells at you for recommending shit books.

>>20806089
I kneel

>>20806089
I submit to the glory of Fang Yuan

>>20806089

>>20806089
so what now
will this never have a ending?

Black Company is shit

>>20806089
was it too advanced for its time?
>>20806428
someone mentioned that when the Black Company goes south, the quality also goes with it, were they right?

>>20806434
I duno, I just dropped the first book halfway through. I don't mind edgy but it verges on tryhard, both in edginess and in the attempt to emulate a RL war diary in its prose. The gimmick of crossing this style with a poorly-explained fantasy setting doesn't justify poor execution IMO. And would it kill Cook to describe literally anything or anyone?

>>20804011
what BoC dose right is, whenever you think "man this trope sucks, i hope he flips it"... well, he flips it!

>>20804757
Soldiers live.

>>20804011
Tell me Anon, what do you mean 'reveling in tropes'? How does a story that doesn't revel in tropes look like? Because there pretty much aren't many books that'd satisfy this requirement, as I see it

>>20805873
Y
Picked up Codex Alera in middle school and now I secretly enjoy all of his books. Dresden Files are reddit tier with pop culture references and being 'wacky' but I can't help but love them due to the overwhelming sense of nostalgia when reading them.

Now I sound like a faggot.

>>20803662
Dunwich Horror is my fav Lovecraft story

>>20806580
Well, some stories try to be more than just the tropes they are. Some succeed, some don't. Some don't make that attempt, and instead embrace the tropes, whether to twist them for fun or to simply explore them in-depth. Something that 'revels in tropes' would be of the latter.

>>20806711
Same, thought I have only read about 1/3 of his stories. It's the most well-rounded of those I've read.

>>20806711
Cool. The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is mine, even though it's a trash fire in terms of plot and pacing that should have been rewritten at least once (a sentiment which the dude apparently shared).

>>20806711
Ok. Why?

>>20805873
Who isn't?

I'm about halfway through the Eye of the world. When does WOT start to get good? Or at least original, so far its basically the fellowship of the ring (which i love so im fine with) but folks say the series is very different and does its own thing.
I'm at the part where they meet the equivalent of Irish gypsies in the remote woods.

>>20806913
>When does WOT start to get good?
It doesn't. Terrible series - you've already wasted enough of your time reading the first one. Give up now and go read something good.

>>20806935
Well what would you consider "good" then sir? Something in the same ballpark as WOT would be what I'm looking for.

>>20806913
It's mediocre and padded as fuck. Basically published in the right time to achieve prominence.

>>20806913
It's never gets good.

This cover is absolute SOVL.

>>20806960
>Something in the same ballpark as WOT
It's not a ballpark but a garbage dump. Get out of it and read something good.

>>20806913
How do you people find your way into /sffg/? Just use this chart to get an idea of what's good and what's trash. This is actually surprisingly accurate, even if some people shit on it.

Use it to have a better understanding regarding what the /sffg/'s cannon is. Ask questions if you must.

Thank me latter.

>>20806992
The chart is shit, which is why I don't use it.

>>20806960
The Lord of the Rings. Which is where the Waste of Time author copied "his" ideas from.

>posting that chart unironically
Is this dude retarded?

>>20806996
No, not really.

>>20806960
I mean there's a bunch of fantasy I consider good. Not going to list it all right now for you, retard. WoT rips off Tolkien hard, just read that instead. If you've already read that, then check the OP for something else. If there's nothing there you want to read, then whatever I'll recommend you something

>My favourite series doesn't rank high in the chart. Therefore it's shit!

that was a great finish.
>He was frost and she was bone
i loved this. the end with toren was pretty good too.

>>20806992
Is there any merit in starting with the easy reads first? I don't want to read children's books.

>>20807031
The chart has no merit, so I don't know why you're even taking it seriously.

Not even going to (You) you, wojakman. The chart is a meme, and not meant to be taken seriously. My favourite series is right there in the second square (S2). DIAF

>>20807026
that was a great finish.
>He was frost and she was bone
i loved this. the end with toren was pretty good too.

>>20806992
I would rank Hyperion a little lower, but it looks decent other than that. For the books I've read, at least.

>>20807037
>The chart has no merit
Why?

>>20807058
Because he can't cope that his favourite series isn't ranked high.

Simple as.

Is that chartmaker the one who made the litrpg chart which included books from other genres?

>>20807068
No.

>>20807068
No, I made that one. Why?

>>20807058
It's a mess of a chart that's basically "what some people on /sffg/ think" and not even a solid majority. Not to say some aren't rightly placed, but Bakker for example is just not that fantastic.

>>20807058
That chart contains the most popular/discussed/read books in this general. Every book in the S category is worth your time.

You will notice that the people seething at it are always the ones promoting web novel weeb-shit here, which doesn't qualify as literature of any kind.

>>20807068
yes

>>20807068
That chart that's isekai/gamelit despite the crossovers of those two being incidental, that included things like Mother of Learning which are neither isekai nor gamelit? The chart that also doesn't really recommend anything so much as just exist as a list of things that broadly fit the definition (except the ones that don't)?

>>20807088
You know the list that I am referencing, yes.

>>20807080
Everyone present at the time voted for the chart. Use the time machine. It was actually surprisingly democratic.

>>20807089
Yeah it's shit why even discuss it?

>>20807080
That would explain it.

>>20807080
You mean this Bakker, right? I was just about to start this book. Why isn't he that fantastic? Seems pretty solid to me from the comments i've seen posted here. Barely any other series here get any in-depth lore discussions as this one. From what I've seen, at least.

>>20807080
That does not explain my question.

>>20807094
Curiosity. One person making multiple poor shit lists, and if so, why; if not, is there multiple people making shit lists?

>>20807080
It wasn’t even some, but a few, when threads were being made at 250 and bakkerfags had to make up some ridiculous boogeyman as to why they were shitting up /sffg/.

>>20807108
Why does one guy flood this thread with Bakker-posting? Why does one guy not shut the fuck up about Reverend Insanity? I don't pretend to understand the minds of people like that.

>>20807112
>Things that never happened.

>>20807099
Go for it anon. I wouldn't wait, if I were you. You won't get any worthwhile answer, because most people hating on Bakker here have been filtered beyond redemption.

>>20807112
Ah, December 2021, when /sffg/ became truly unusable.

>Ah, December 2021, when /sffg/ became truly unusable.
Imagine being this new

>>20807140
>If you don't like it you were filtered
Is this just the ultimate cop-out defense? You can just say something's not for everybody. A lot of good books can just completely not work for somebody for any multitude of reasons beyond "they just don't get it".

>>20807043
The best arc in The Wandering Inn desu
Other finales have more impact or more ambition, but this one hit as hard as it could, personal conflicts of characters intertwined with grand events and real heroism.

10/10 Ending for a Volume, one of the greatest moments in the entire story.


Congratulations on finishing Volume 6, now you have the other half of the story to read

PS: what was that post you replied to? It's deleted

>>20807153
It's summer, what did you expect? /sffg/ is full of tourists.

>>20807160
Seeing random art of TWI stuff always makes me wonder what the fuck goes on in that story. Context-free this just looks like a random skeleton wandered into a wreck and saw a sad girl.

>>20807163
>summer being a thing
You're one of them.

>>20807154
>Not for everyone
I am truly sorry, Pierre. But that is just your way of coping about the fact that you got #FILTERED.

>>20807176
the first chapter is really bad though

>>20807173
>NO U!
Does it trouble you that he called you a newfag?

>>20807144
No, not really.

>>20807099
I was thinking about starting this as well. Just to see what all the fuss is about.

>>20807043
How would rate Volume 6 in comparison to Volume 5? Did you like it more, less, the same?

>>20807229
>TWI 6.66H-68
How bloated and filler ridden is this series, really?

>>20807185
>you
4chan has experienced eternal summer since 2011 arguably at the earliest.

>>20807252
Just by the time when /lit/ was created then.

You can stop larping now.

>>20807262
>first significant 4chan event of 2011 you think of is creation of /lit/
Project elsewhere, retarded newfag trash.

>>20807269
I accept your defeat.

>>20807269
>moving the goalposts
LOL
LMAO even

>>20807160
>PS: what was that post you replied to? It's deleted
my own deleted post, it was basically the same post. didn't mean to quote it. i reposted it because i mistyped the chapter number.

>>20807167
There is indeed quite a lot of context you're missing if that image is the only thing you have to go by. it's not really the kind of backstory you can guess.

>>20807229
i liked it more. the finish is a lot stronger especially.
it's not without its flaws though, pacing is still an issue but that's just TWI really.

>>20807284
Anon claimed that summerfags were a thing. That was my first and only interaction with the (incorrect) anon. I was not the anon in the previous reply chain or other conversation. Hit me with another newfagism though like the record player you are.
Why does this thread attract so many /v/ crossboarders?

>>20807312
I wasn't asking.

>>20807312
>Why does this thread attract so many /v/ crossboarders?
Because you keep replying to the shitposters instead of ignoring or reporting them

>>20804898
I use a kitchen timer. Train yourself to start reading the second you start the timer. It doesn't matter if you struggle or have to reread the same sentence ten times. Rinse and repeat. The Pomodoro Technique is one of the few "self-help" tips that I've used my entire life for nearly every activity because it works. I have a few health disorders, so if this works for me I suspect it works for nearly everybody else.

>>20807099
>>20807219
Pay no attention to /lit/ shitflinging, I started reading for the memes and ended up binging the whole saga in a month.

>>20807334
Holy Based.

Truth Shines!

>>20806913
The first book is the best book unfortunately. I've read them all. WoT is the only fantasy series I've read completely and then regretted the time spent reading it.

>>20807242
>How bloated and filler ridden is this series, really?
Depends on what you mean by filler. I'd personally say that TWI has next to zero filler, even slice of life chapters are either very entertaining to push the plot or character developement forward. There are many side povs, but they are always fleshed out and serve expanding the world and other plotlines.

But if by bloat you mean that it's not really focused on just one main storyline, then it probably can be called bloated. That's what you get when you try to do Epic Fantasy webnovel, though. Although pacing is indeed an issue. But it is meant to be read as two new chapters a week, not binged in one month, so attributing proper 'pacing' to webnovels is a bit flimsy.

>>20807167
It was a kino moment, and that's all I will tell you about it. As for the fanarts, they are often incredible. Some fans even comission art of certain events or characters.

>>20807294
One more question anon, did Khelt and King Fetohep improve your opinion on Chandrar?

>>20807312
See? >>20807326
You are indeed a massive newfag.

>He unironically reads unending webnovels translated from mandarin.

>>20807357
>...improve your opinion on Chandrar?
sure. but i never really had any issues with chandrar save for flos. i might have called it "chandrar" in the past but i really just meant flos, since chandrar = flos in the earlier volumes.
i liked pretty much all the characters that appeared after vol4. nawal, nsiia, fetohep, the pomle duo, etc. even gazi became more likeable.

>>20807341
Hmm interesting. Is there anyone here who has actually read them all and really liked them? I'd like to hear from some of those folks.
Seems just from the brief sample size of takes so far that most of sffg don't stan wheel of time( or just didn't read it and shit on it anyway )
He must have done something right since he managed to write so many. Or is this a: grug and aristocracy agree it sucks, whilst the normie midwit masses slurp up the goyslop kind of situation?

>>20807456
>He must have done something right since he managed to write so many. Or is this a: grug and aristocracy agree it sucks, whilst the normie midwit masses slurp up the goyslop kind of situation?
Anon, The Sword of Truth was also insanely popular and released around the same time as WoT, but we all know what a shitfest that series was. Not even edgy retards attempt to defend the Sword of Truth.

>>20807456
What are you expecting? A Confirmation bias from sunken-cost falacy retards?

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1659778049552888.webm

>>20807558
This video should be what shows up when you search for the word "cringe" in an illustrated dictionary.

>>20807558
Murica

>>20806434
I think tbc only gets better the longer the story goes, the shifting up of the annalists really changes things too

>>20806992
This is not the most recent chart. See picture for the most recent.

>>20807616
Did anything change, or did you just added to it?

>>20807616
Some additions. Some have changed places. This will become evident if you open both images and compare.

>>20807456
Don't listen to the retards, it's good. Rand is the best depiction of a chosen one type protagonist. His growth is very interesting to see.

>>20807616
Don't care. Fuck off.

>>20807635
I too remember when bait was supposed to bait.

>>20807616
Looks really good.

>>20807643
Cope.

>>20807643
This desu.

Opinions on the Dresden Files? buddy is recommending I check the series out but he's had some pretty bad takes in the past

Malazan vs. Wheel of time

Which one's better and why? Both are autistically long.

>>20807674
Wrong general.

>>20807674
I heard the author himself recommends to start with book 4 or something. It's common opinion that the first books are bad, I personalyl haven't read any Dresden book.

>>20807677
The Malazan, simply by virtue of not being a predictable unoriginal and bland narrative.

>>20807678
what is it then?
>>20807679
thanks for the suggestion.

>>20807677
Wheel of Time I'd say. Malazan is just unfocused and meandering even compared to wheel of time.

>>20807677
Malazan. And It's not even close.

>>20807734
Why?

>>20807741
The Wheel of time is just unfocused and meandering even compared to Malazan.

>>20807747
Can you give a real reason that's not a shitpost

>>20807677
Malazan is a waste of time.

>>20807635
Mr Jordan explores ancient Aryan religious beliefs, cyclical nature of time and its relation to civilizations(Spengler), allusions to the Christian Messiah and anti christ, the myth of the blood, dualism, the relationship between men and women(the series in entirely anti feminist) catastrophism, the human soul and the psyche, warfare and its impact, determinism, free will, fate, destiny, and finally narrative possession; the idea that a person can become essentially possessed by a false narrative which can snowball and have a mass effect on the entire world and entire populations throughout the ages starting from one false or half truth and exploding outwards in a telephone game through time.
Most plebs read it because muh big long series gets me FANDOM nerd points.
Most faggots on this board dislike this (and rightly so) but they fail so see the forest through the trees.
There is my effortpost on The Wheel of Time.
Now call me based.

>>20807768
based iceman

I'm addicted to cultivation shit

>>20807741
The Malazan Book of the Fallen is actually written by a person who has an acceptable level of vocabulary. You won't get the same sentence repeated over 70 times in Erikson's series. Pic related is just for the amount of "tugs her braid". The Wheel of Time is also bland, slow and uninspiring. He just copy pasted Tolkien's ideas and gave his orcs a name that sounds with Bollocks (trollocs), literally. Even the morality is black&white.

I don't even appreciate the Malazan that much, so I don't really have a horse in this race and don't care if you believe me or not in the end. Erikson's issue is that he keeps jumping between PoVs between books, but you will get memorable characters and stories. He at least tries to be somewhat original. Give Malazan a chance for two books, at least. The second one is the best he wrote anyway. If you like it, then go for it.

>>20807760
Sorry, but the "Malazan" and the "waste of time" are two different series.

Sanderson was unironically the best thing that could have happened to the Waste of Time.

>>20807677
The Wheel of Time is a series where literally nothing happens until the end of each book. And you're forced to read about the daily routines of walking between point A and B with nothing interested in between. It's like you're reading the same book over and over again. It took me 4 books to realise that. Joke's on me, I guess.

>>20807803
It's not called The Arc of Time, buddy.

>>20807817
Waste of Time indeed.

>>20807779
>>20807757
I don't know, buddy. Do you like braids?

>>20807841
Sanderson ruined a tradition

>>20807841
>Sanderson using it as well in as both meme and deceptive/being forced to way.
You literally can't make this shit up.

>>20807674
>>20807679
I thought the first books were better, back when he was more of a PI and less enmeshed in this and that. The series is pretty well done for one with so many books, but it got to be too many moving parts for the amount of attention I had invested in them. Some time after I'd finished a fairly recent one a suddenly remembered that something that just seemed random at the time was actually carrying on with one of the many subplots I'd just forgotten about.

The last couple of volumes wrapped up a bunch of stuff, so maybe it will be a fresh start from here on. I think if you like them to the point of being a fan, fan obsession will be rewarded with that much going on. Also if you read them more or less in a row they might hold together better than waiting a year or two between them.

>>20807851
>A literal hack exposes how ridiculous another hack is.
I call that Karma. He was perfect for the job.

>>20807616
>Discworld up to S
The only thing I really agree with honestly. Why is Stranger in a Strange Land UP at all?

>>20807678
It's fantasy. Urban fantasy is still fantasy.

>>20807923
Yikes.

I have to say that I have not yet been disappointed with this general's suggestions and "books to avoid" recommendations.

>>20807934

books to avoid

Elantris
The Hope of Elantris – Short story
The Final Empire
The Well of Ascension
The Hero of Ages
Warbreaker
The Way of Kings
The Alloy of Law
The Eleventh Metal – Short story.
The Emperor’s Soul – Novella.
Shadows For Silence in the Forests of Hell – Novella
Words of Radiance
Sixth of the Dusk – Novella
Allomancer Jak and the Pits of Eltania – Short story.
Shadows of Self
The Bands of Mourning
Mistborn: Secret History – Novella.
White Sand Vol. 1
Edgedancer – Novella
Arcanum Unbounded – Collects all the short stories and novellas.
Oathbringer
White Sand Vol. 2
White Sand Vol. 3
Dawnshard – Novella
Rhythm of War
The Lost Metal

>>20807954
Hey hey. Emperor's Soul is pretty good. And Mistborn era 2 is overall fairly solid.

>>20807934
We told you that Bakker is pure unadulterated KINO.

>>20807977
Hey hey hey
Bakker is the way
Hey hey hey
Bakker all day
Hey hey hey
Bakker is what I say

>>20805698
>how far the thread has degenerated
This far:
>>20805855
>I would be hard-pressed to call him bad
The general is pretty deep in the pits.

>>20807954
To be fair, the first Mistborn trilogy was very average, at best. But it was a good introduction for me to start reading novels in English. The Way of Kings and Words of Radiance were two very enjoyable books. Oathbringer was not recommended to me because I bought it on release, same with Rhythm of War. Both ended up being shit, of course. But that is an opinion shared by most anons here anyway.

>>20807981
Bakker rules and sandi drools, this is the eternal recommendation.

>>20805698
>No one calls him or them shit
What do you mean by "them"?

Sanderson has been getting progressively worse in case you haven't noticed. And it's something most anons agree with, by the way.

>>20807616
>Piranesi this low

>>20808014
It's mixed. Stormlight has definitely been on a dip, but I think Mistborn Era 2 is much better than Era 1 as a whole.

>>20807616
What mouth breather put Once and future king S tier? Fixed anyway.

>>20807677
WoT does everything better (bar climactic fights), but the bloat is unreal. Luckily Malazan is convoluted without managing to be good, so WoT clinches it. Both are slogs, but you get some good nuggets of writing and fantasy from WoT.

>>20808034
You are not the chart maker supreme, opinion discarded.

>>20808050
More like shart maker extreme. Never heard a single reason why once and future king is the go to arthurian book. It takes autistic comedy liberties and is written in retarded english-pidgin speak. Not an authentic atom in its body.

>>20808050
Unironically this.

>>20808069
Chart maker supreme says otherwise, you are nobody, he is THE chart maker supreme and he has the final say.

>>20808034
>Fixed anyway.
Nice fan-fiction. Doesn't make it /sffg/ cannon, though. Sorry.

>>20808034
>>20808069
Instead of making a scene and insulting the chart maker and calling him a "shart maker extreme", which will discredit your chart as a childish mockery of the original one. you should discuss the problem with the chart maker, and if he sees fit, he will edit the chart for you.

We need more charts. I am personally reading as many self-published erotica as I can to make one soon. Give me a month or so and I should have the first draft. What amount of books you think is reasonable to make a proper judgement on this subgenre, 50? 100? I think I'm around 40 at the moment, and I haven't even touched lesbian erotica or women written stuff yet.

>>20808228
>discuss your problems with a tyrant
lol

>>20808247
>Meritocracy is oppressive
>Democracy is tyranny
LOL
LMAO even

>>20808247
I see, I accept your resignation then.

>>20806580
The other anon already answered for me. And I agree with him. But to add: Beware of Chicken literally has the main character think "hey, this is just like those Xianxia novels" at various parts of the story.

>>20806913
>When does WOT start to get good?
the first word of the first page of the first book

>>20807456
i read it and i liked all the books. what do you want to know, exactly?

>>20808353
I'm on the second word, and it's still shit. What gives?

>>20807803
>The Wheel of Time is a series where literally nothing happens until the end of each book
That's sanderson.

>>20808415
Not quite as bad.

>>20808421
LOL

>>20808427
You're just jelly that Sando was at least able to produce semi-decent and satisfying endings.

>>20807768
Is he the biggest hack in fantasy?

>>20808450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7qFEREVmc

Yes.

>>20808436
Yes because the rest of his books are boring trash that only exist to serve the endings.

>>20807677
both are dreadful and perhaps the best examples of everything bad about the epic fantasy genre

>>20808485
I dislike both, but it's hard to make an argument in favour of WoT.

Are all Dunyain capable of sorcery?

>>20808519
Full blooded ones is what I'm interested in knowing.

So I've just finished this magnificent piece of clusterfuck. They found the imposter, then settled on a blue planet which is near a green planet which causes the tides, so that makes it a moon. The imposter feeds on others to survive and come from the green moon, and they may travel from green moon to the blue planet. The blue planet is obviously oceanic, while its moon is heavily forested. Wait. Waaaait... Waiiiiit...

>>20808563
>So I've just finished
You didn't. Audioboooks are not books.

>>20808387
You've never read it.

>>20808583
So you were lying then?

>>20808593
No you were.

>>20808601
Not really, no. It doesn't ever get good.

>>20808606
Stop lying. It does get good. Eventually, when you finally realise that it's a shit series and drop it for something better.

>>20808606
You've never read it.

>>20803692
R Scott Bakker the darkness that comes before series books 1-3

Probably the economic relations between Scarlett spires and their hold over high Anion and the necessity to join the holy war via Maithanet and the Thousand Temples

>>20808614
Not my problem.

>>20808619
>doesn't deny it
Not my problem.

>>20808625
I wasn't asking.

>>20808625
>NO U!
I accept your surrender.

>>20808627
>>20808632
>samefagging
Exposed as tryhard shitters.

>>20808636
>Imagine being so ass-blasted that your only answer becomes "much samefag"
LOL
LMAO even

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>20808640
>can't even spell muh
Imagine seething this hard

>>20808656
Accept defeat.

>>20808664
You've already been exposed as a seething shitter. End yourself.

>>20808668
You sound resentful.

>>20807456
>>20806913
The series certainly isn't going to wow you with originality in the very first book. It's just a nice tale of adventure. If you've heard anything about the series, then you should have heard it takes time for it to find its voice. Hell, you're not even at the white tower yet. Which I think happens halfway into book 2. Mat doesn't truly become *Mat* until the start of book 3. Just relax. You'll get to the original stuff eventually. The first book was clearly written with a limited scope for the story. All the books after that layer on new concepts.

>>20808676
How could he not be? He got absolutely BTFO

>>20808676
You sound low iq.

>>20807456
>>20806913
The Eye of The World is a more accessible version of Tolkien, but Tolkien is already a simplified version of the Norse Sagas, meaning that Jordan felt a need to dumb-down the accessible, which doesn't leave his book with much personality.

There's no reason for this sort of repetition: a new book should be more than just fanfic of an older, financially successful book. There are countless different influences out there, long before Tolkien or Howard ever touched pen to paper (many of which can be found in the link at the end of this review), so it's disappointing to see authors continually rehashing the same tedious cliches completely unchanged half a century later.

Jordan's long-winded style can't even boast the wealth of meticulous details with which Tolkien filled his pages (often to the detriment of his story). It's clear that Jordan's trying to build a one of those massively detailed worlds so prevalent in pop fantasy, but it's not an interesting, original world--it's just another generic, pseudo-Medieval Europe without any of the genuinely interesting bits that made that time period unique. It's just modern characters with modern psychology swinging around magic swords in a Disneyland version of history.

But Jordan's characters are dull and shallow, his dialogue bland, and his plot (though it possesses many parts) lacks twists or turns. We are given an unending parade of new characters and lengthy asides, which masterfully suck all the drive, purpose, and life from an otherwise simplistic story. At half this length, the book would have been merely another two-star fantasy rehash. At a third the length, it might have started to show some pep--but Jordan had to stretch out his all-to-familiar story to doorstop proportions.

Some of Jordan's fans have pointed to the 'Wheel of Time' aspect as his unique contribution to the genre--mixing Eastern philosophy and the idea of eternal recurrence in with his mock-feudal world, but it's the same thing that E.R. Eddison was doing in the 1920s, and which Michael Moorcock has been exploring and expanding on since the sixties. As such, I don't see it as some new twist that Jordan has added to fantasy, but as another bland rehash of an interesting idea some other author had decades before.

And as the series goes on, the many problems with pacing, plotting, and unfocused asides only grow worse. If Jordan can't keep everything straight in his opening book, how will he possibly deal when the story starts branching out (as stories inevitably do)? It is hardly surprising that such a tenuous grasp will inevitably slip away--as it has for so many other authors in pop fantasy, from Martin to Goodkind, who start off intending to write a trilogy and end up with ten books, each of which takes five years to write, and none of which even manage to finish the plot started in book I.

>>20808698
This copypasta isn't as entertaining as the Harry Potter one.

>>20808698
>copy pasting goodreads reviews
Absolutely pathetic.

>>20808709
>>20808708
>Can't deny it's veracity
Oh no no no no no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJtFXTIEwYQ
This is the only positive impression of Wheel of Time that I have.

>>20808711

>>20808387
it means it's not for you and you should drop it and read any of the other million books that are left to read instead of acting as if you're being made to read it against your will

>shitposter gets banned
>nearly 100 posts disappear
lel

to get the thread back on-topic, are there any fantasy books with cynocephaloi that aren't simple werewolf/lycanthropy fiction or depraved furry erotica?

>>20808720
Not an argument, though.

>>20808680
>>20808676
>>20808664
>>20808698
>>20808711
Holy fuck absolutely BTFO. JordanCHADS we win again.

>>20808736
>Being baited by a single shit-poster
>Win
So this is the power of jordanfags.

>>20808736
it was a real massacre
Is Wheel of Time actually worth reading if the ending had to be finished by Sanderson?

>>20808741
>14 books
>Worth anyone's time
Absolutely not. Even if Jordan finished them.

>>20807954
filtered

>>20808741
I hear that there's a really deep and meaningful story but that there's an excess of fluff that slows down the narrative in the middle-late books before the last few, and then there's the issue of Egwene who ought to be edited out of the entire story desu because of how awful she is

>>20808741
Sanderson touching anything is a tragedy but it's still a very good time.

>>20808770
Sanderson was the best thing that happened to that series, though.

what were all the deleted posts about?

>>20808757
i love egwene

>>20808773
seething shitposters

>/sffg/ pretending to like the Wheel of Time now
Are we getting raided by /tv/ again?

>>20808780
It's just shit-posting. Just like the rest of the thread.

>>20808780
i bet a lot of wot-haters were avid posters of the wot thread on /tv/

>>20805392
What the fuck happened in this thread

>>20808780
Did you notice how all the deleted posts were anons just hating for the sake of hating? The idea that you need to hate something in order to fit into a community, is the type of culture that shitposters cultivate. If you dislike Wheel of Time, that's fine. But you're not *more* of a /sffg/ poster for it.

>>20808780
Literally no one who has read multiple authors in fantasy can unironically enjoy the Wheel of Time. The only people shilling it here are either shit-posters or sunken-cost fallacy retards who wasted thousands of hours on it.

I don't even care if newfags reading this thread actually fall for it. I did, even when people told me not to get into it. I stopped soon enough though.

>>20805392
Everyone knows this. Sad part is that book 5 will probably be good.

>>20808780
It's clearly far beyond animosity toward one specific book series.

>>20808436
>>20808780
>>20808812
>catranny comes with another ip

>>20808810
Ok, r*ddit.

>>20808827
Unironically take your meds.

>>20808832
Take your own advice catranny.

>>20807616
>Sanderson got lower
>Conan got higher
This is actually an improvement from the previous one.

>>20808826
How so? Are you new to this website?

Why didn't Kellhus teleport to the Inverse Fire room and detonate the nuke there?

>>20808741
>it was a real massacre
If we’re lucky, we get 3 days of peace, though I doubt it since they’ll just ban evade.

>>20808912
Seeing that other guy having a full meltdown over people criticising the WoT was fun though, ngl.

>>20808566
I'm going Bilbo mode.

>>20808898
Because He never intended to destroy the Consult and clearly planned his death.

The bigger question is Why didn't the Consult make use of Nukes?

>>20808812
how many authors have you read

>>20806868
The huge face ambling up the mountain to meet his father in the stars was so fucking freaky, especially when it goes from invisible to visible. And his goat brother who really has all these tentacles and horrifying anatomy underneath his robe was also described in scintillating prose. It’s the few Lovecraft stories that made me genuinely scared but I do love the Mythos overall. I think he tapped into something very primal with the children of Yog-Sothoth. The Shadow Over Innsmouth, for instance, has an interesting concept but it wasn’t exactly exciting.
>>20806811
Keep reading if you like them, mate. I’m gonna get into some of the collaborative stories soon as well.
>>20806833
I’ll look into it.

>I thought I'd seen the last of the stripper when I buried her corpse. Her ghost keeps proving me wrong.
Now that's how you start a 'Christian Cyberpunk' novel.

>>20808732
Just want to make sure, but are you asking something akin to RedWall? or am I misreading that?

>>shitposter gets banned
>>nearly 100 posts disappear
Really telling that /sffg/ slowed the fuck down once he got ban, along with any other shitposter contributing to spam.

>>20808732

>don't mind reading female pov on non fiction books
>can't stand it on fantasy/sff
Why am I like this?

>>20809007
Redwall is all furry though right? I mean it's not erotic or anything but there's no humans in it

>>20809074
Not him, but the internet ruin you if you think Redwall is furry.

>>20809084
It's objectively furry, it's anthropomorphized animals, like Looney Tunes or Disney's Robin Hood, that doesn't mean it's fetishistic or anything

>>20806960
Epic fantasy has never been good. Malazan, Sanderson, and Bakker are all better than Jordan I guess. But that isn't saying much.

>>20809095
Furry is a porn descriptor. Nobody's going around referring to Looney Toons as furry cartoons

>>20809133
>mentioning Sanderson in the same line as Bakker
>Sanderson better than Jordan

>>20809133
Tolkien made a great epic fantasy. Shame he killed the genre afterwards, but I blame future authors being unoriginal.

>>20809007
>Really telling that /sffg/ slowed the fuck down once he got ban, along with any other shitposter contributing to spam.
looking at Warosu to see the posts being deleted doesn’t surprise me who was the spammer. Was obvious to me, but it was nice having a conformation.

>>20809292
How did he kill the genre?

>got tricked into reading Project Hail Mary
>it's shit

>>20809302
Every epic fantasy author copied him, with them adding very little to no ideas of their own.

>>20809304
What didn’t you like about it?

>>20809336
Not him, but the interstellar novel did it better.

>>20809095
Anon, furry is a porn term. Looney tunes or tom and jerry isn’t furry. Nor is Redwall for that matter. Again, you need to step back from the internet.

>>20809336
it reads like a cringy teenage power fantasy. the protagonist is an annoying and stupid gary stu, the amnesia with conveniently timed flashbacks is a cheap plot device, the science part is questionable if you dig into the details. overall it's boring

>>20809095
>it's anthropomorphized animals,
Anthropomorphism (the proper name) has been a thing since forever and had nothing to do with furry.

>>20809383
>it reads like a cringy teenage power fantasy.
Well yeah, that’s what fantasy and science fiction is all about.

>>20809395
>that’s what fantasy and science fiction is all about

>>20809395
Eh, I’ll say the most recent sci-fi novels are power fantasies. Flowers for Algernon is my all time favorite book and it’s not a power fantasy.

>>20809422
>Flowers for Algernon is my all time favorite book and it’s not a power fantasy.
Isn't that because the author wanted to touch on ethical and moral themes such as the treatment of the mentally disabled? Hardly power fantasy material.

>>20809432
Yeah, it’s why it’s my favorite. Lots of sci-do novels if the past are simply better. That isn’t to say, I don’t read modern sci-if novels, but I just have a preference for older works. Currently planing on reading Stephen Baxter’s World Engines on Wednesday and see if that catches my attention.

What's with Chinese xianxia webnovels making an allusion to something like the Classic of Mountains and Seas or some other ancient text about medicinal herbs or some other thing.

To put it into perspective, it'd be like reading a fantasy webnovel and seeing something called The Epic of Gilgamesh and it's either the exact same thing, just with fantastical elements, or some other thing using said name.

Is it a thing that you can only understand if you've been immersed in Chinese culture since birth?

>>20809479
More often than not, they’re just trying to elevate themselves and try hard shit.

>>20809479
Xianxia is a daoist fantasy china as interpreted in dreams.

>>20808563
Wew, wait until you get your arse blasted by three words in a post card.

>>20809490
Sounds stupid as fuck.

>>20809514
Anything that tries to incorporate philosophical thought into fantasy is usually shit.

>>20809514
Not really. The principle Daoist text is basically indecipherable yet influenced thousands of years of philosophical thought in Chinese culture, accumulating a mass of various cultural artifacts and customs that can't really be sifted through comprehensively.

>>20809542
>Daoist text is basically indecipherable
It isn’t.

>>20809558
>Look and you never can see it - it is too subtle
>Listen and you can never hear it - it is too faint
>Feel for it and you can never take hold of it - it is too elusive
>These three form into one, they form the ineffable whole of the tao
sure

Since I have no real interest in drugs I thought I couldn't enjoy this novel, but I'm halfway through I'm surprisingly enjoying it. Really fun and dark novel.

>>20809541
>incorporate philosophical thought into fantasy
I read terry goodkind’s The Sword of Truth series and just stop after a while. I don’t know what book I stop. But Christ. People who try to incorporate philosophy into fantasy should be shot.

>>20809572
Have you thought about reading The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch?

>>20809617
The guy from Joe Rogan?

>>20809643
Who? No, Philip K. Dick wrote it. It’s about people taking hallucinogenics to self insert into layouts. Very interesting.

What is the Ulysses of fantasy?

>>20809683
Lord of the rings.

>>20809643
Anon, don’t tell me you waste your time listening to podcasts.

>>20807616
Lyonesse really needs to get moved up the hard to get into axis. How many times must I tell you this, tripcunt?

>>20809687
I prefer to half listen to audiobooks while I'm working and pretend I read them.

>>20809724
What does audiobooks have a thing to do with Joe Rogan.

>>20806630
It's okay, anon, we're all faggots here.

>>20809683
In terms of literary merit? Really hard to tell since fantasy doesn't have any merit at all, but any work from Tolkien. He's the only one that's often describe with any merit, no matter how small.

>>20809683
None whatsoever.

>>20809056
Why are you asking us? Go to a therapist.

>>20808985
How is that in any way "Christian"?

>>20809479
You often see analogues to classic fables in some fantasy stories, that's probably just a similar thing to that?

>>20809773
It isn’t, why are you taking his words as fact?

>>20808985
Bro where is that even from?

>>20808985
How do I start a christian xianxia novel?

>>20809788
You don’t, now fuck off.

Any girls here? I want to ask what your favorite fantasy novel is.

>>20809820
yeah uWu

>>20809823
What is your favorite fantasy novel?

>>20809820
Girl here
The Unholy Consult

>>20809788
How are you that one faggot that keeps bringing it up for over a year.

>>20809788
>christian xianxia
Impossible to do since they're incompatible.

>>20809773
pretty much this >>20809783

>>20809859
Unfortunately you're right. You can wrap up xianxia concepts into greco-roman philosophy and paganism if you like (see Virtuous Sons) but Christianity is pretty clear that you're not supposed to become like god on your own unless you're mormon idk.

>>20803662
Redpill me on C.L. Moore

>>20809788
do you not know even the most watered down Christian teachings?

>>20809879
What do you want to know, or is that vague post is all you wanted to say?

>>20809875
And while Pelagius is considered heretical, it's still a stretch to go from his "man is born with no original sin and through sinless living can pass into heaven without the direct grace of god" to "if you meditate and eat communion wafers you can finish qi condensation in no time"

>>20809773
The author is Christian and describes this novel as being 'Christian Cyberpunk.'

>>20809788
Nazi vampires.

>>20809906
And you believed him because?

>>20809902
Are you that idiot that’s supposedly research Christianity for months only to get the basic information wrong.

>>20809910
Because I've read one of his novels before and he's on twitter. Plus this is the dedication page.

>>20809925
Are you honestly that easily fooled.

>>20809786

>>20809941
Please go, rabbi.

>>20809913
If I am how would I know?

>>20809946
Because you’re the only idiot that ever wanted to create a Christian Xianxia for months until you got told off.

>>20809913
>Christianity for months only to get the basic information wrong
The information is literally online, and you can go to your local church, how can someone get it wrong?

>>20809879
All I know is I want to hold her hand!

>>20809948
I don't remember ever getting told off so maybe it was someone else

>>20809952
Why?

>>20809702
I haven't updated the chart since 14th of December 2021, but since you asked nicely I'll grant you your wish. I'll see if I am motivated to take more suggestions this week at some thread (not this one), perhaps next.

>>20809976
>Piranesi this low
The chart is still shit.

>>20809976
You need to add the dread empire and also the realm of the Elderlings

>>20809884
What’s her writing like?

>>20809984
Read her and find out, pretty sure you can read excerpt on Amazon.

>>20809976
is the D tier basically "popular BAD"?

>>20809993
Yeah, but he will deny it.

>>20809995
That would explain why the Prydain Chronicles is there.

>>20809993
Yes, it's all subjective. Books on D tier might be someone's favorite books but in /sffg/ they are among the most loathed. Not necessarily that popular is bad, but some of those books are popular. But LotR, Dune, BotNS, ASoiF and Harry Potter are also popular yet are not in D.

>>20809976
Someone said it in a previous thread, and I didn't know what he was referring to, but now that I have a closer look, I agree with him. The bait is a bit too subtle, anon.

>>20809995
>>20809993
>>20809995
Obviously no. As I've never heard of most of the D tier books. If they were popular, then I would have at least HEARD of their titles. Meanwhile, he has actual popular series like Conan, Hobbit and Game of Thrones in A tier.

>>20809993
Name one (1) d rank book that's good.

>>20809993
Nothing in D tier is very popular. You'd have to be late millenial with bad nostalgia glasses and head firmly implanted in rectum to believe that.

>>20810036
That's it I'm writing werewolf romance

>>20810036
The Sandman is there because of that bad TV show. It was on my to-read before I watched the show.

>>20810056
>The Sandman is there because of that bad TV show.
The series that has and continues to exert considerable influence over the fantasy genre and graphic novels since its debut in 1989 and is often regarded as one of the greatest graphic novels of all time by people, is somehow popular due to a TV show in 2022?

>>20810071
There’s no point in arguing.

>>20810077
I am just stunned by the stupidity of the post, more than anything.

>>20810071
Yes.

>>20810079
People will pick a random hill to die in, yes. Besides, I don’t think he knew anything about sandman.

>>20810056
You mean the audible adaptation that came out in 2020, two years before the Netflix show?

>>20810046
based mommyporn flogger

>>20810085
I watched The Sandman TV show, and it was bad. So I'm definitely not reading the comic.

>>20810046
>>20810096
>based mommyporn flogger
If anyone of has a recommendation for mommyporn fantasy romance (no incest please), I am all ears. Lately I've been looking for something like that. Or if not mommy, then just younger male/older woman.

>>20810093
Yes. That's what I'm talking about. It's there because of the TV show.

>>20810032
If anything, D Tier is missing all the webnovel shit that keeps getting discussed here.

>>20810272
Junior, you are courting death

>>20809976
You should really consider swapping Jordan with Sanderson.

>>20810272
I've included just one web-novel there out of spite (D5). None of them belong to the chart of course and having any of them there would be (and is) merely for the purpose of having an dishonorable mention.