/lit/ - Literature

>>20800538
>philosophical poetry
i guess Dante, he's got his theology.
IDK its tough to distinguish between philosophical poetry and just poetry with an agenda.
Also id say all poetry is philosophical in as much as it deals with human life.

>>20800626
>i guess Dante, he's got his theology.
Let's not include mental illness in the list.

>>20800647
What about Pound or Wallace Stevens? Both have a philosophy, kind of, and both are sorta nuts.

>>20800538
William Blake, Lucretius. Though I don't agree a lot with either

>>20800538
Wagner.

>Wagner was to the end of his life a philosopher. All the currents of philosophical thinking that were important in his day, from Fichte's idolisation of the self to Marx's critique of the capitalist economy, and from Feuerbach's repudiation of religion to Schopenhauer's theory of the will, left traces in his dramas. There is no work of philosophy that delves so deeply into the paradoxes of erotic love as Tristan and Isolde, no work of Christian theology that matches Wagner's exploration of the Eucharist in Parsifal, and no work of political theory that uncovers the place of power and law in the human psyche with the perceptiveness of The Ring.
- Roger Scruton

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J. H. Prynne

>>20800877
Do you actually like him?
does anyone?

post a good poem by him.

>>20800887
I am a member in the J. H. Prynne appreciation society with 300 other people, mostly academics and quite a bit of dilettantes.

>>20800916
>, mostly academics
Now thats not a surprise.

I dont want to be mean because i fully admit to not getting him, but im not sure there is anything to get. This isn't abstract poetry, the language is clean, it has form, but it's just not comprehensible as anything.
Its so opaque as to be beyond criticism – hence the academics i guess.

>>20800966
It’s obviously an anti-War poem, m8. If you had actually read J. H. Prynne, you’d know that about his poetry. Maybe you’re just retarded and should stick with japanese haikus. You could say the same retarded platitudes about Ashbery

>>20800996
>Ashbery
Another guy i don't like. But Ashbery i get, there is talent there. Prynne is just a hack.

> It’s obviously an anti-War poem
is it? i guess. With 'cordite and its echo' it may as well be, but i'd say it's just as easily a love poem, an elegy, or him bemoaning the brute stupidity of the world.
You can fit a truck though that poem, it's so loose.

>>20800877
>>20800887
>>20800916
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>>20800996
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nothing pleases me more then discovering Prynne associated with my favorite lit lolcow

> https://web.archive.org/web/20220127134141/https://twitter.com/graceelavery/status/1486694611284279299

Well its a tie between that guy and schneider anyway .

>>20800538
Pessoa, Leopardi, Charles Wright, Sonnevi, John Koethe, T.S. Eliot, the list goes on....

>>20800538
the satyricon. >>20800626 also this

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>>20800538
>Philosophical poetry
No such thing/.

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>>20800626
Dante isn’t really philosophical.

>>20800538
If he is aware of the absurdity of all human activity, why does he want the money?

>>20800538
Ralph Waldo Emerson

>>20804159
To survive?

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