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>The story was largely finished by the end of the Christmas vacation in 1948. Two months later, Jack (C.S Lewis) read it to Tolkien. Jack had always been constructively helpful and sympathetic with Tolkien’s writing, and he probably expected similar treatment. He was hurt, astonished, and discouraged when Tolkien said that he thought the book was almost worthless, that it seemed like a jumble of unrelated mythologies. Because Aslan, the fauns, the White Witch, Father Christmas, the nymphs, and Mr. and Mrs. Beaver had quite distinct mythological or imaginative origins, Tolkien thought that it was a terrible mistake to put them together in Narnia, a single imaginative country. The effect was incongruous and, for him, painful. But Jack argued that they existed happily together in our minds in real life. Tolkien replied, “Not in mine, or at least not at the same time.”

>Tolkien never changed his view. He so strongly detested Jack’s assembling figures from various mythologies in his children’s books that he soon gave up trying to read them. He also thought they were carelessly and superficially written.

>Jack had a high opinion of Tolkien’s judgment and was distressed and disconcerted by his harsh response, especially since he himself had little confidence in the merits of his story. Were it not for friends who praised it highly, he might never have published it.

>> No.20797722

>>20797620
>C.S Lewis
Who?

>> No.20797766

>>20797620
He should have written that faun raping a little girl scene for Tolkien as fanservice, I bet he would have appreciated the realistic lore more.

>> No.20797771

>>20797722
Clive Staples Lewis

>> No.20798632

>>20797620
Tolkien was being an autist honestly

>> No.20798642

>>20798632
It's honestly surprising that Lewis didn't expect him to be.

>> No.20798656

>>20797620
It's a well-known fact that Tolkien was very autistic.

>> No.20798666
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20798666

>>20797771
>Staples
?
what kind of name is this?
fucking anglos

>> No.20798673

>>20797620
>that it seemed like a jumble of unrelated mythologies.
like LOTR and all the other books in the series?

>> No.20799285

>>20797620
Tolkien was honestly a dick to a Lewis and seemed to regret it after the latter died

>> No.20799297
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>>20799285
>"So far I have felt the normal feelings of a man of my age—like an old tree that is losing all its leaves one by one: This feels like an axe-blow near the roots," Tolkien wrote to his daughter Priscilla four days after Lewis's death.

>> No.20799393

>>20799297
That's pretty sad. Reminds me of when Bioy Casares wrote about Borges death.

>> No.20799484

>>20799285
I’m sure Lewis understood it was just bantz, anglos have thicker skin over that kinda shit

>> No.20799707

>>20798666
>stapler
>>fucking anglos
>>>trips
sometimes this website is good. good in a biblical way.

>> No.20799742

>>20797620
Very based. I never liked Narnia.

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I saw JRRT at a grocery store in Oxford the other day. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.