/lit/ - Literature

Does anyone here genuinely like Martin more than Tolkien? I'd like to hear why if so.

>>20795310
That 4 letter name ending with "x" just triggers the systematic CIA brainwashing and causes mutts to lose it.

>>20795293
Not exactly, but one of the best on socio-economics.

>>20795293
I'm not a big fan of linens, or the subject of linens.

>>20795293
marx was a retard, and just a coper

>>20795293
IT BAD BECAUSE IT LEFT-WING! RIGHT-WING IS GOOD ONLY, LEFT-WING IS BAD

ALSO MARXISM KILLED OVER 100000000000000 PEOPLE

>>20795641
That attitude goes both ways though, stop projecting so hard.

>>20795524
>>20795537
Marx is probably the least sentimental socialist there is, he gets angry but not really sentimental or overtly idealistic, he constantly criticises philosophers and leftists for being moralistic or idealistic too so I don't know where this idea comes from.

>>20795664
If I were in a hive of left-wing retards I'd be pointing out their foibles. However, I'm not.

>>20795999
Imagine if you can that you are caught on the battlefield between hives of left and right wing retards, and a bunch of psychopaths staring at you from the sidelines.

>>20795293
Always puts a smile on my face when I remember Engels kept bitching at Marx for procrastinating on Capital, to the point that when Marx died, he'd only finished and published the first part, and Engels had to spend the rest of his life finishing what Marx was supposed to have spent the last 15 years writing but instead spent on random hobbies.

>>20796033
The best solution I've found to this so far is to create my own little enclave and try to ignore the armies of retards as long as possible. Not a great solution, but I haven't found a better one. I don't want to devote my life to doing something I hate.

>>20796039
Yeah, that's certainly wise and genuinely harmless self-interest but what do you do about the psychopaths staring at you? They wont stop and maybe someday they will do more than staring.

>>20796075
I kind of expect to die at the hands of some MAGA death squad when I'm too old to defend myself or something like that. And I know withdrawing from the world isn't good; I just don't know how to engage without submerging myself in all the things I hate. There doesn't seem to be a good or useful way to engage.

>>20795670
You're assuming these faggots have ever read Marx. They haven't. That's why they don't discuss his work, only the strawman in their deranged minds.

>>20795641
Shut the fuck up, nigger. Nobody cares about your dumb jew.
>>20796090
>I kind of expect to die at the hands of some MAGA death squad
I hope this is sooner than later.

>>20795293
Read Jordan Peterson.

>>20796036
how does being ill, studying Russian language and Russian economic documents, world ethnology and history constitute "random hobbies" for Marx?

>The texts present in the so-called Ethnological Notebooks contain only about half of Marx’s drafts between 1879 and 1882 on non-Western and pre-capitalist societies

>In 1881–1882, Marx undertook extensive historical studies, covering a large part of what was then known as “world history”.

>it is known that Marx made his studies of Russia by making use of the following materials: Flerovsky's Conditions of the Labourer Class in Russia in 1870; about Shchedrin and Ziber in 1873-74; about landownership in Russia through Skaldin and others in about 1873; about Chernyshevsky in 1873-74; about social economy in Russia after the Reform based on government published materials and money markets in Russia in 1875; about the Russian system of agriculture and forms of rent, etc. in 1876: continued study on the system of agriculture, banks in Russia, Kovalevsky and Russian finance in 1877-78; about loan relationships in Russia and arguments on village community in 1879; and again about agriculture in Russia and arguments about capitalism in 1882.

>>20796095
Nobody discusses Marx's work because it was just fan fiction. The guy was a rambling Jewish kike that just leeched off society. He never had a job, owned a business, and abused his kids. His entire life he was a spoiled loser. There's no reason to take him seriously, you dumb tranny. Find Christ.

>>20796110
Marx did what leftists do now. He was just a pseud who analyzed the lying press of his day, and took their beliefs at face value. Leftists just do the same with Wikipedia. They think skimming news articles, Marx did, makes them smart when they're just retarded.

No, we cannot.

>>20795641
You OK, bud? Acting a bit grumpy this morning.

>>20796113
Case in point.
Kindly do the world a favour and kill yourself subhuman.

>>20796130
You worship a drunk that cheated on his wife while living off her aristocratic inheritance. That's the guy you consider an authority on world history and economics. Top kek. Sorry, communism isn't happening. You can't just sit at home, and coom all day, you gotta go to work and pay your bills.

>>20796090
Diappointing. I thought you might have figured out what's going on. MAGA people are mostly harmless idiots they certainly dont form death squads.

>>20796140
I speak somewhat in jest. My point is that we don't know how much further off the rails things could go in 10 or 20 or 50 years.

>>20795293
not even close

>>20796113
Refute any one of his theories with reference to the relevant lit. I'll wait.

>>20796113
>The writer was a bad person therefore his writing is bad
You realize this is exactly the logic of people who want to ban books because the author was supposedly racist, correct?

>>20795670
Here's a hint: Just because you call something "scientific" doesn't mean it is!

>>20796240
Rightoids are the ultimate woketard snowflakes kek.

>>20796169
ok chuddie

>>20796186
Just because you work hard doesn't mean you produced value. Marx refuted himself.

>>20796263
Marx was a student of philosophy and used the Hegelian system as his model, I honestly think arguing about whether he was a scientist or not or discussing what constitutes as science to be a total waste of time and completely irrelevant.

>>20796186
The labor theory of value is empirically false. The countries with highest amount of labor productivity have the the lowest GDP per capita. Countries that produce more value tend to work less - labor does not determine the value of a commodity. Its subjective. Antiques, stocks, cryptocurrencies, and land all gain value without any form of labor being applied.
His immiseration thesis was 100% wrong. People are living longer, working less, and are wealthier than any time in world history - Marx argued that capitalism would collapse in his life time because capitalism making life worse for the worker. His theory of historical materialism isn't a scientific theory at all; its not possible treat history as a science experiment because there are no control variables. Every social experiment of the last 100 years that have tried to implement communism failed or went back to using markets, wages and price signals to organize their economy like China and Cuba. He wasn't right about anything he said, and he wasn't even economist - he was just drug addict who leeched off his rich wife, who was a member of the German nobility (they owned dozens of banks which is interesting since central banking is a key demand of Marxism), and had no formal training in economics. Its only fags and queers who cite him.

>>20795293
That doesn't look like the Bible.

It was generally considered a terrible book even by contemporary Marxists and other socialists sympathetic with it. Bakunin called it "impenetrable, least of all penetrable by workers, though it is precisely workers who must read it." The common consensus on it during the Second International is also that it was impenetrably recondite, and that only Engels' summaries in Anti-Duhring and Kautsky's summaries made it possible to understand, the idea being that Marx had provided "a brilliant but arcane method" that didn't exhibit its "metaphysical presuppositions," and that it required Engels to provide those metaphysical presuppositions and Kautsky to simplify and streamline the method. Both of these are now generally considered heterodox, bourgeois interpretations.

Part of the reason Marx's influence on the French socialists was so weak is because they simply could not read Capital. In many respects it was a disappointment, since it came right at the time when everybody was hanging on Marx to give the definitive interpretation to the socialist movement after years of work, and instead he gave them an impossible tome that had to be taken on faith by most people. You can even see this lack of comprehension in Marx's own family - Lafargue had an embarrassingly bad understanding of "Marxism" right to the end, and Marx himself commented on it. If you can't educate your own son in law in your theories, AND he thinks he's one of your leading proponents, something's probably gone wrong.

The third volume, assembled from the partial drafts by Marx, was also harshly criticized when it came out, and a lot of sympathetic socialistic economists concluded that Marx, being just a socialist scientific economist, had simply dropped the ball in the way any bourgeois writer of a bad book of bourgeois political economy could. This is again a sign of how little understood and appreciated Capital was even during its own heyday, for decades.

Engels wrote a letter to Werner Sombart, the then Marxist and soon to be National Socialist, saying he was the only professional economist who had truly understood Marx. Sombart was one of the writers who strongly critiqued the third volume.

Capital has always been a mess. The most that can be argued for it is that it inspired an alternative economics critical of capitalism in the long run, but it wasn't WRITTEN for the long run, it was written for immediate practical purposes and for what Marx and Engels assumed were imminent revolutionary crises within the capitalist system.

>>20796306
Philosophers are just professional bullshit artists. Marxists don't really have any arguments. They use circular reasoning and loaded statements that use Marx as the gospel. Its Manichean non-sense (class struggle) mixed with Christian millenarianism (revolution) with a secular paint. Its a post-modern religion of social justice, but for atheists.

>>20796297
>Just because you work hard doesn't mean you produced value.
Yeah, Kapital doesn't say that.