/lit/ - Literature

>Once there was a happy family. No conflict happened. The end.

>>20790362

>Why

>traditional values
>by which i mean the previous stage of american decadence instead of this one

>>20790362
>50s
>traditional
>values

A writer is a sceptic and at the essence of widely recognised writer lies non-conformity to worldviews that are already held by people or their peers. They've the innate need to stand apart. Earlier books were written in a time when Traditional values were the norm of the community. It is only in the modern times that the status quo has been subverted and distorted so much so that "liberalism" or at its essence, acceptance of people regardless of anything is the norm. This is why writers of the past villified the traditional while ideally, the writers of upcoming times will resist change

A writer is a sceptic and at the essence of widely recognised writer lies non-conformity to worldviews that are already held by people or their peers. They've the innate need to stand apart. Earlier books were written in a time when Traditional values were the norm of the community. It is only in the modern times that the status quo has been subverted and distorted so much so that "liberalism" or at its essence, acceptance of people regardless of anything is the norm. This is why writers of the past villified the traditional while ideally, the writers of upcoming times will resist change.

>>20790408
this doesnt feel like a complete thought.
it seems like you started and quit halfway.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/low-hanging+fruit

>>20790362
What is this golden age of 'traditional values' really? A brief post-war pocket of time in America before the 60s happened - it barely even exists

>>20790362
>be incel chud, 0 pussy
>pine after fictional 50’s aesthetics
>implying those husbandos weren’t cheating left and right
>implying those waifus weren’t banging the neighbor, the milkman and the hardware store owner
/pol/ memes gave you unironic brain damage - socialize and learn to fuck, idiot. no one is preventing you from starting a family if that’s all you want, just don’t be a clueless tradlarping dork.

>>20790408
except the main quality of 21st century culture is that the internet surrounds you with like-minded people no matter how outlandish your views are, so that any belief system has its own long-distance "community" in which it is understood as obviously correct. if you rebel against liberal social progressivism you will simply find yourself pushed into a corner of the internet where everyone rebels against social progressivism and made into a (local) conformist. resisting change and praising tradition is just another fandom, which a real writer would refuse to conform to, so then what does he do? how does he "stand apart?"

>>20790362
Marketers ruined this country.

>>20790435
This is what I read from one of the posts here:

"Scepticism (a dogma) is the only way
Obtain as many contradicting statements, assumptions and thoughts as possible

Then leave it all aside//
Prepackaged ideologies are, by definition, going ot fail.
Nothing will ever remove the need to think, to adapt, and to change.
Stop looking for answers and start making some of your own.
Truly nonconform, instead of conforming to nonconformity."

To form your own worldview; which is something I've, unfortunately been thinking about (I'd rather do). What when the world catches upto your worldview? What when the principles of the artist no longer are outside of the Overton window? Does he stop being relevant? But no good writer is relevant for only a brief period of time, they're all able to touch this very sensitive chord with humankind that makes them unforgettable.

>>20790362
The man in this pic fucks other men and the wife fucks niggers.

>burgers unironically take their ideas of "traditional values" from advertisements
pathetic fucking country but damn they had to have some really talented marketers back in the fifties

>>20790426
>be incel 0 pussy
>think everything is about sex(or lack thereof)
>cannot think about anything but sex
>life spent chasing pussy in a dysgenic culture. No wife or family to show for it.

Just get married and have children anon. Maybe that'll help you with the depression

>>20790458
>>20790579
Lmfao. It maybe an advertisement but its still just a normal fucking family. The way it was always supposes to be. Compare this to what marketeres do nowadays

>>20790362
Because good books explored people's emotional realities rather than echoing abstractions about values.

>>20790362
>>20790379
Because Dad is a secret alcoholic, living under a heavily repressive society; beating Mom and the kids constantly and openly raping her on the dining room table.

Because Mom is also a hidden alcoholic suffering under the same repressive society; her slow insanity (actually identical to today, if not worse; via advertising pressures to conform via clothing) raises the children to be extremely mentally ill; she threatens suicide on a regular basis.

Because the Kids are exposed to terrible irrationality and will grow up to be insane,copying their parents behaviors and acting from repressed urges of their normal impulses; turning gay, turning to drink to cope, torturing animals, etc.


>>20790397
Yeah good point, this snapshot of 'christian family' is entirely fake in the first place and starkly at odds with Americans founding character.

>>20790379
>>20790362
This

"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."
- Leo Tolstoy

>>20790594
>The way it was always supposes to be. Compare this to what marketeres do nowadays
Presenting two mental-patient alcoholics and their half-retarded spawn as a "happy family" is just as fake and put-on as presenting a man in a dress and a barbary ape and their half-retarded spawn as a "happy family" as well. It's actually identical; both positions of imposing a persons own desires as a set image onto the society, using advertising more as a propaganda format, is still the same mentality of enforcing ones own idealisms or fantasies onto the society.

Anyways, american suburbia was always faked from the beginning; it was never a reflection of the gritty reality of the average citizen but more a trope for the anglo-german immigrant to aspire towards; prefabricated tiny shitty housing, located miles from any life, in long lines of identical houses. Cattle pens, basically.

>>20790594
>It maybe an advertisement but its still just a normal fucking family. The way it was always supposes to be.
two parents and two kids is not a "normal family," you fucking retard. where are the grandparents, for example? other extended family? why will the children get expelled from the household when they turn 18? it wasn't "always" this way, it's a mid-20th century fabrication. these madison avenue psyops fucked your brain so hard you don't even know what a family is.

if you magically rewound time back to the 50s and hit play they'd still produce the 60s and the 70s and so on, just like they did the first time around, because the problems were already there and the downfall was already in progress. 10 years later the girl in the pic will be a teenage runaway sucking dick for gas money so she and her friends can get to la honda in time for the big acid orgy, and her fucked up state will be the direct result of the social experiment in drone-like uniformity that was the american 50s.

>>20790362
>>20790379
You forgot the happily ever after

>>20790659
>>20790753
This. imagine taking your entire ontology from lawn mower ads lmfao.

>>20790849
>where are the grandparents, for example? other extended family?
Good bloody point, anon. I forget to mention this myself, all the time; but the family unit in the sense it's portrayed here is a reduction of the tribes numbers by many varying degrees, and without the tribe the support-network is gone.

>if you magically rewound time back to the 50s and hit play they'd still produce the 60s and the 70s and so on, just like they did the first time around, because the problems were already there and the downfall was already in progress. 10 years later the girl in the pic will be a teenage runaway sucking dick for gas money so she and her friends can get to la honda in time for the big acid orgy, and her fucked up state will be the direct result of the social experiment in drone-like uniformity that was the american 50s.
exactly this.

>>20790859
Also this. It is ASTOUNDING what lengths burgers will go to ontologize eating shit.

>>20790362
jewish conspiracy unironically

>>20790854
>This. imagine taking your entire ontology from lawn mower ads lmfao.
Hahahahahaha

Today it's a youtube commercial, same exact garbage.

>>20790862
Accept some responsibility for your failures you fucking woman

>>20790362
>waaah waaah everyone is out to get me, i blame all my problems on joos and leftists adlhjadghdh

I know your type.

>>20790753
early life

>>20790426
>>20790551
>>20790625
>>20790659
>t. I get my views of the 1950s from Hollywood films and pop culture tv dramas made decades after the fact.

>>20790641
Unhappy families reconciling their unhappiness is not subversive. Nobody with a brain claims that traditional values preclude conflict or human imperfection.

Because the traditional family is a hotbed of angst, drama, hypocrisy, misery, and titillation. It makes for good reading .

books about functioning families are boring.

"All happy families are alike, but every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way ". its nothing new

actually its a jewish conspiracy to further demoralise the white man and dissuade him from procreation.... along with hip-hop, vidya and anime

>>20790849
I don't even disagree with anything you said.

>>20790936
>along with hip-hop, vidya and anime
You forgot 4chan.

>>20790936
Lol just stop, da joos aren't afraid of you nigger cattle. If anything, they'd want you to pump out more consumers

>>20790362
>50s
>traditional values

>>20790397
Yeah, the '50s lost many traditional values, but they still retained the core values. It was the era were men were most free but knew their responsibilities. Maybe even *that* much was a mistake (and yeah, suburbia was definitely a mistake), but you're a faggot for scoffing at OP's nostalgia (although its for a time he probably didn't live through). This idea that you either have to go full trad or be a liberal is fucking cringe. There is almost if not always good in every era.
>>20790394
>by which i mean the previous stage of american decadence instead of this one
Fuck yeah, are you insane? We're living in a decadent decline right now, the '50s were much more morally sound then our time, with better values, and sensibilities. I can point to Ancient Athens in its golden age and you would call it decadent. Meaningless criticism but you said it because it was easy.
Fuck, even the '80s were better than now in terms of values and general sensibilities. Do any of you guys remember the '80s? In many ways they were rough times but they were also times of freedom and life. Real people (though false people were multiplying day by day). Innocent times compared to now (which would have been shocking to say back then!)

>>20790951
I'm taking stand against the degeneration of the christian wholesome family unit; today my mother goes into a nursing home, my son Tim will take his prozac, my Wife will get her diamond bracelet, I will buy cruise tickets to Israel, I will take out that second mortgage, and I WILL go to church and shake the fathers hand; the lies about him molesting those children are baseless lies!

screw you jews!

>>20790917
>>t. I get my views of the 1950s from Hollywood films and pop culture tv dramas made decades after the fact.
bro, all you need to do is look at how their kids turned out.

>>20790980
Damn jews, they don't want us to be fruitful and multiply just like it says in the Jewish bible!

Most mindfucked country in this planet's history

>>20790971
>This idea that you either have to go full trad or be a liberal is fucking cringe.
Conservatism is quite literally liberalism. You're coddling the pupa of all the bullshit we have to put up with today.

>>20790984
>bro, all you need to do is look at how their kids turned out.
As inept parents who think being a good parent means being the parent they always wanted?

>>20790849
> Combing through English parish records and other demographic sources, historians like Peter Laslett and Alan MacFarlane discovered that the nuclear family—a mother, father and child(ren) in a “simple house,” as Laslett put it—was the dominant arrangement in England stretching back to the thirteenth century.
Regardless of whether it is ideal or not, it is certainly an acceptable family structure. You really don't need much more than good parents and a good community to be raised right. A good stable marriage of loving caring parents is the bed-rock of any family so they were definitely right about that being the nucleus.
I came from a nuclear family btw. Growing up my uncles, aunts and grandparents would visit frequently or stay over all the time. We had family gatherings and talked and played sports frequently. Nothing wrong with that.
>why will the children get expelled from the household when they turn 18?
Doesn't have to happen unless they're going to college or something. At least at my place. But moving out is a concept that lots of cultures have.
>10 years later the girl in the pic will be a teenage runaway sucking dick for gas money so she and her friends can get to la honda in time for the big acid orgy, and her fucked up state will be the direct result of the social experiment in drone-like uniformity that was the american 50s.
Contain yourself, groomer.

>>20790362
mfw
>tfw you will never be a trad waifu woman
>why even live
etc etc
seek help anon

>>20791069
>Conservatism is quite literally liberalism.
Okay? Did I say I was a feudalist or something?
>You're coddling the pupa of all the bullshit we have to put up with today.
Things are more complex than that I'm afraid. America has been liberal since its inception and England has been liberal for far longer, yet what we face now would have been unthinkable to many for centuries. There are definitely forces which are to complex to reduce to one factor (though there are definitely big factors at play here).

>>20790426
Someone's a bit grumpy this morning.

>>20790641
unironically this
also /thread

>>20790928
This. Most of the people ITT are retarded and or Jewish.

>dude the 50s wasn’t the Primordial Tradition of Evola and Guenon (pbuh) so you shouldn’t resist further forays into anti-tradition

I don't wanna hear you fags dilating at Marx's family comments ever again after this thread.

>>20791129
Honestly we're so deep in the Kali Yuga that it makes more sense to keep going down that road. Just dissolve everything, let everything crumble down so that we may enter the golden age once more. There's no mending anything at this point, we've gone too far for any kind of redemption. The cycle must run its course.

>>20790753
> Pride in oneself and one's family is an indicator of psychiatric disorder.
> (((Frenkel-Brunswik)))
> "The foregoing records illustrate the frankness and the greater insight into the marital conflicts of the parents" [...] The assumption seems to be that all families are characterized by alcoholism, desertion, physical abuse, quarreling, and narcissistic preoccupation.
Where is this from? It seems to be critiquing The Authoritarian Personality (1950). Also, I like the fact that they said 'chutzpah' to subtly remind you that Frenkel-Brunswik is a Jew (as if her quotes didn't make that obvious enough already).

>>20791176
keep it in your pants

>>20790625
>Because Dad is... openly raping [Mom] on the dining room table.

Marital rape is an oxymoron.

I will give you the definitive answer. It’s because the “intellectual” class as we presently conceive of it (the people who today write novels and “produce culture”) did not exist prior to the early modern revolution carried out by the bourgeoisie against traditional social orders. The intellectual conceives of himself as a kind of “free-floating brain” that came from nowhere, and consequently has no privileges and no obligations. They’re just a brain that above all needs to be free to show itself to and to assert control over the many irrationalisms of the world. What these types of people see in, for example, the happy white family with a dog and a picket fence, is an echo of the Aristocratic social order that they thought they thought their class had overcome when the merchant and the minister wrested social and political power from the King and the priest. As anti-traditional as the 50s family might be, the intellectual sees in it all the power and fury of the Lord of the Manor, the husband’s speech to his wife is a church edict, his advice to his daughter about who to date a second holocaust. Intellectuals take it to this extreme because they perhaps correctly recognize just how contingent their existence as a class really is. The thought of their Brainpower being under the boot of any Lord…the shame! The embarrasment! The reason that there will only ever be a minority of intellectuals that support traditional values is because to do so is to be a class traitor. Traditionalists call for the subordination of Man to higher spiritual forces, and if man is subordinate the emancipatory project of the bourgeoisie has failed.

burgerland is an unnatural country to begin with so it only makes sense that their society is mentally fucked

>>20790579
Advertising the artform that defines American culture.

>>20790362
What traditional values do you mean? Fucking men in the ass? Fuck off, polcel

>>20790362
It's the satanic drive of modernism. In general it's best to avoid modernist writers.

>>20791203
so funny , you are so contranian 4chan anon

The fact that the mere mention of 1950s America makes so many people seethe and spaz out, like a demon being sprinkled with holy water, is an indicator of just how much of a paradise it really was. People wouldn't need to go to such extremes to prove otherwise if it was so self-apparent.

where does the single guy weirdo fit in the traditional family environment supposed he doesn't want to live in the city

>>20790362

>>20790362
Because ‘traditional values’ as you understand them are neither traditional nor valuable.

>>20791402
too bad the kids in that pic grew up to be boomers. it wonder if vietnam had been avoided would it have taken a lot of the wind out of the counter culture sails? birth control still would have happened.

>>20790753
>Else Frenkel-Brunswik (August 18, 1908 in Lemberg – March 31, 1958 in Berkeley, California, USA) was a Polish-Austrian Jewish[1] psychologist. She was forced to leave Poland and later Austria as a result of anti-Jewish persecution. She is best known for her contributions to The Authoritarian Personality (1950), her collaboration with Theodor W. Adorno, Daniel Levinson, and Nevitt Sanford.
Kike trash, wonderful chutzpah

>>20791198
Your response doesn't make sense, bot.

That moment when the 50s was fake advertisement propaganda but we definitely shouldn’t act like they did in the 50s. Also that moment when tradition has never existed but also it’s a great Manichaen evil that must be resisted at all costs. And again that moment when one pretends to laugh at tradlarpers but is also deathly afraid of them and writes volumes seething about them, despite them just being an ahistorical joke. Also that moment when tradition was actually Greco-Roman buttsex but the world was a vale of tears before America legalized gay marriage. The absolute chutzpah of some folks itt

>>20790971
lmao idiot

>>20791460
>me no like joo! joo is the reason for all the world's problems! they're all out to get me1! adkjgl

>>20791462
AH AH

>>20791473
he's from pol, be nice.

op if you want to look into the 1950s mindset you should read this. it's like half about 1950s big business and then the second half is a sociological study of the suburbs which were a new phenomenon at the time. the guy is not an ideologue, there's no marxoid bs, if anything he worries the collectivism of post-war america could reduce our competitiveness in science and engineering. of course, it was published right before "the traitorous eight" left shockley's lab to start fairchild, so it's really peak 1950s problems, but when you think about all the conformity being enforced today in business and higher ed maybe we're now in a mirror image of the 50s were conformity is essential just the values you must conform to are swapped.

>>20791496
I met Shockely when I was like 1 year old. Of course I don't remember it. My dad and he were friends and after he died my dad talked a lot about how he was pilloried by the evil Zionist cabal or whatever.

>>20791507
Damn. Sounds like you come from a good family if this isn't a LARP.

>>20791473
You're posting excerpts by Jewish psychologists who claimed that pride in your family is a sign of being a fascist, and whose works centered around "studying ethnocentrism and antisemitism", one of her associates family basically ran the APA? How is my pointing that out some /pol/ conspiracy theory, dishonest cretin

>>20791507
shockley was a eugenicist. i'm always surprised he hasn't become a 4chan meme to be honest.

>>20790594
>it might be a lie, carefully crafted for the exclusive purposed of emptying my pockets
>but it looks good so I don't care
>also tradition begins 70 years ago in one of the youngest nations on Earth
The absolute state of amerisharts.

>>20791402
>mere mention
stunted /pol/tards won't shut up about it.
also, you definitely still live like that nowadays. Just buy a house on the suburbs and marry a christian chick. it's not that hard if you're not a literal retard.
I don't know where your socialist disposition of wanting everyone to have the same behaviors and aspirations comes from.

>>20790641
Actually the quote is
>“All happy families are more or less dissimilar, all unhappy ones are more or less alike,” says a great Russian writer in the beginning of a famous novel (Anna Arkadievitch Karenina, transfigured into English by R. G. Stonelower, Mount Tabor Ltd., 1880).

>>20791536
good point. the suburbs were anything but traditional in the 1950s when they were new. a brownstone in brooklyn is traditional, a levittown house in the middle of nowhere is the innovation.

millenials, zoomers etc are far too individualistic to let themselves be shoehorned into some kind of 2.4 children "trad family" set-up.
its stultifying and unaffordable and only really existed for a very short period of time within a highly specific context.

>>20791544
wrong.

>>20791422
he is essentially right, if not deontologically.
People recognize legitimacy of a government that allows them to live materially dignified lives. That's why the U.S. govt can abuse its own citizens in several different ways and get away with it: the U.S. is still the most affluent society on the history of humanity.

>>20791565
the us government abuses it's citizens a hell of a lot less than almost anywhere. just follow the fucking laws and nothing is going to happen to you.

>>20791518
No, my dad was a poor parent and his preoccupation with Shockley's supposed persecution was just one of many strange fixations. All the same, it's interesting and a little strange to me that there are so many photos of my parents hanging out with a figure like Shockley.

>divorce rates through the roof
>single mothers everywhere
>nothing's wrong!! this is normal!! stop being a virgin!!!! you're a virgin!!!!! you disagree with this?? you're a virgiiiiiiiiiiiin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>20791591
No one in this thread has said this. What are you talking about?

>>20791465
Just stop it. Let it go. you committed racial suicide for fried chicken and hentai. It's over. you're your father's nut drying on a napkin

>>20791591
you don't have to live in a shitty house with a two hour commute to not get divorced.

>>20791599
>he said nervously, hoping to convince himself

>>20790362
how many times do you think pic related hit and cheated on his wife?

>>20791624
Seething ham sandwich nigger. You got ass fucked by a declining EROI before you were even born. You're the last poor bastard in a generational centipede gulping down boomer shit. It's over.

>>20791598
It’s in the subtext everywhere. The left-liberal consneedsus is becoming increasingly reactive and unhinged as it fails to justify itself. We are at the point that the consneedsus is dismissing all social criticism as being either the result of being improperly medicated, Russian interference, or being an unperson/pariah (virgin). If you take issue with any aspect of the direction of society you will get hit with one of those, because no rational or good person could come to the conclusion that anything is wrong or that the experts are incompetent in any regard

>>20790362
Why would artists conform to your rigid political ideal? That's the point of creativity. It's not about "traditionalism" or expressing the same ideas over and over

>>20791646
All the corn syrup or whatever the fuck you burgers eat has completely destroyed your brain.

>>20791637
Not sure what your point on EROI is exactly but it sounds to me like you might be a cryptic friend of the cause. Why do you think people like me screech about the Kali Yuga and post Ted Kaczynskis? We know what we had was unsustainable. White people were used up and disgarded by Capitalism that’s pretty obvious by now, and that’s the reason for the revolutionary turn in our thinking

>>20790753
>Frenkel-Brunswik

>>20791563
>he hasn’t read the book anon was referencing

>>20791591
lol but you are a virgin, aren’t you?

>>20791694
https://linguabooster.com/en/ru/book/anna-karenina#read
>Bce cчacтливыe ceмьи пoхoжи дpyг нa дpyгa, кaждaя нecчacтливaя ceмья нecчacтливa пo-cвoeмy.
You can choose to trust me that it says "all happy families are similar to one another, every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way", or you can just google translate it, or use a different online translator of your choice.

>>20791465
That moment when you forget to take your meds, and all those anons with their disparate opinions start to look like a single entity (working to further the schemes of the jews, of course).

reminder that burgers in their "traditionalism" will shit themselves defending their suburbs when you point out that they are absolutely inhuman newfangled monstrosities compared to European towns

>>20791646
Yes, modern society and consumerism sucks, but this paranoia about being called a virgin makes you sound deranged.

>>20791706
... >>20791544 is from nabokov's ada

>>20791814

>>20790641
Tolstoy was a rich kid who never knew what growing up with abusive parents was actually like.

>>20790362
>traditional values
Define "traditional". The older, the better?
How about Hittite matrilocal marriages, where you marry a captured slave to your daughter, because your male sons die too frequently in war raids, and you need household worker replenishment as fast as possible?

>>20790362
Because the defenders of the "traditional values" are ~80 IQ imbeciles?

>>20791979
Most of the feminists were Jewish such as Betty Friedan who looked like a goblin.

>>20791672
>why would artists conform to the cultural norm?
Because art is not definitionally countercultural despite what you think, and its perfectly possible to create art that expresses inherent beauty without it subverting the cultural norm.
All things being equal, we should actually expect most art to fall well within cultural norms by virtue of sheer statistics. That so much of art is disproportionately countercultural today is a result of deliberate agenda.

Jealousy

>>20791807
there's nothing more consumerist than the suburbs where every house needed a washer dryer set (since there's no landromat in the burbs), a refrigerator, a color tv, a dishwasher, a two car garage, two cars, and so on. the hippies were trying to ditch consumerism by eating bugs and owning nothing. this 1950s worship is so confused.

>>20790362

>>20790379
fpbp

>>20790362
Why does the wife look at least 2 decades older than the husband

>>20792207
Also because traditional values are dogmatic and illogical
Using any kind of reason refutes them

>>20792210
Traditions are based on generations of knowledge relating to what is optimal for society. Without context no rule seems logical, but people think this somehow means we should have no rules.

>>20792207
valium abuse ages you? oh wait, no one was on pills in the suburbs right guys?

>all these glowniggers in this thread
When did things get so bad around here?

>>20792266
the guys trying to groom low iq extremists with ahistorical caricatures of the suburbs? the fbi has been doing that since at least 2016 after trump made the cia cancel isis.

>>20791081
There's that. There's also the point that many of our parents who were children in the 60's and 70's were the ones who grew up to
1) throw out grandparents into nursing homes, drugging them
2) drugging us for that matter
3) selling our family property in order to blow generations of hard-earned wealth on holidays and stupid cars for themselves

I mean, we don't need to get symbolic here or lionize our grandparents all that much either, it's just obvious that the kids of that generation objectively did terrible things. Whatever was going on with 'their' parents then, in those great golden decades of the mystical 1950's, was clearly lacking.

>>20791993
Then go make new art/music/literature for your idealized political image dude. There's no reason to complain about modern artwork. Artists don't have an "agenda" deliberately to brainwash you or moralize against you. They were just able to succeed in a free market, hence why their artistic image stays dominant instead of yours

>>20792025
Yeah, I'm not worshiping the '50s. I'm saying that while some of this guy's >>20791646 complaints are basically reasonable, he's framing them in a deranged, paranoid way.

As an aside, I love short films from the '50s and early '60s exulting this or that gadget or appliance. You'd think they were offering you the secret of telepathy or time travel the way they hype up some of these appliances.

>>20792381
This entire post is just deluded. My whole point was that art is not definitionally in service to politics, and your response is to further extoll the virtues of purely materialistic, utilitarian power games.
Normal human beings do not derive the value of art from success in a (totally, one hundred percent unmanipulated, I swear) material market; they derive it from the aesthetic value of beauty in the work. It isn't an alternative, radical political position to recognize that this has only very recently been pushed to the margin.

>>20792491
Yes, I agree. They do derive beauty from the aesthetic value of beauty in the work.

However, that doesn't give you an excuse to censor artwork merely because it doesn't fit your subjective ideal. Go write the great novel with your own aesthetic instead of whining about it here

>>20790362
>traditional values.
>Posts picture of a mid 20th century family.
lul

>>20790362
Me on the left
My wife on the right
With our kids in the middle
Where can I get a cute wife?

>>20792210
Nice dogma, retard.

Americans love subversion, even something like a dead kike on a stick throwing the Roman empire into crisis.
>>20790394
based

>>20790362
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IS THAT A WHITE FAMILY WITH CORE VALUES??!?!?!?!? I'M LOSING MY MIND!!! WHY ARE THEY NOT GAY? WHY ARE THEY NOT BLACK? HELP ME!!!

>>20791979
i wish i were smart enough to defend abortion, divorce, drug addiction, mass immigration, aids, monkeypox, drag queen reading time, child drag queen contests, rectal prolapse and child rape

>>20791579
>just follow the fucking laws
And don't get pulled over by police with a substantial amount of cash on your person.

>>20791579
>just follow the fucking laws
not even that. you can literally break the laws with impunity if you understand some unutterable truths about our social fabric, especially if they're "victimless" crimes.

>>20792597
Yeah, we get it, faggot. Every other pseud already made this point ITT already.

>>20790379
the problem is in what the source of the conflict is and the answer to the problems might be. Suffering has important significance in like, every major religion. And this tenancy OP is talking about isn't ubiquitous to good stories, its a more recent phenomena in the grand scheme of history.

>>20790362
this image makes antiwhites seethe.

>>20790551
see above, jew slime.

>>20790426
>>20790625
>>20790659
>>20790849

>seething tranny

>>20793740
OY VEY!!

I BET THE HUSBAND IS SECRETLY FUCKING HIS SECRETARY AND THE WIFE LOVES BBC, THE KIDS ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE GAY OR WHORES, DIVERSITY IS OUR STRENGTH

IM TRANS BTW

>>20792633
be a man, have actual skills that make you valuable so you can get money and confidence, maybe go to church or something

honestly get a dog and you will meet loads of women

>>20791715
i think he's just calling you a retarded antiwhite kike, and he's absolutely write

>>20794933
>reddit frog
>whole argument is "u r jew!!!"
I could show you my uncircumcised cock, and you'd still find some excuse for your retardation.

>>20791538
>is actually mad
you're pretty stupid too. back then you could go into the cities and they weren't nigger-infested ratholes with junkies shooting up everywhere.

you could also buy a house in your twenties while the wife stayed at home and raised the kids and took care of the home. the worst crime people were worried about was italians doing mob shit, not random niggers murdering five year old white kids for no discernable reason.

people weren't dying of fentanyl all over the place and your money didn't just lose value. the government usually obeyed the will of the people, which doesn't happen now.

i could go on and on, the point is you're totally wrong. and you're so fucking stupid kek, what are you doing on lit?

>>20790426
As if those things aren't even more prevalent nowadays.
It's always the same arguments with simple minded progressists like you, you wrongly assume that traditionalists see perfection in tradition, whereas in reality they only see more stability and family connections to God.
And when people underline that many more people cheat, or divorce, or are diagnosed with depression in the modern world, it's always the same copes "oh, we just are more aware, we just diagnose it more, people are just more free so they divorce more", you think exactly like the people you condemn.

>>20794942
>"reddit frog"
>only takes things literally
>jew simp
lurk more newfag

>>20794944
they can't even argue, look through the thread, they will just start strawmanning about jews or resort to shitty trolling.

>>20794950
>Uhh I was speaking in metaphors you're too much of a doody head to understand!
nice try

>>20790551
Seethe harder Schlomo.

>>20795011
>metaphors
take your meds antiwhite kike

>>20795026
more likely it's just a seething shitskin who can't bear to see happy, beautiful white families, because it reminds him of his ugly brown beast face he has to look at every morning.

its sad.

>>20794950
>posting pepes in 2014+8
>calling anyone else a newfag

>>20790753

>>20795037
>posting old memes means you're new
>t. certified idiot
Dilate.

>>20795053
>pepe
>old

>>20795059
>reduced to quibbling over definitions
LMAO keep going nigger retard.

>>20795064
>MIGA election tourist posts no-no word to try and fit in
SAD

>>20795073
>now crying about orange man and the "no-no word"
>no-no word
LMAO keep going cringeworthy retard

>>20795081
>y-you're crying right now!
cope faggot

Why does it smell like knish ITT?

>>20795088
LMAO keep going lefturd blm primate

>>20790397
Posts like those often have ad pictures attached as well

>>20795059
Pepe is more than a decade old

>>20795331
that version isn't

>>20795059
>>20795435
Fire Punch is more recent than that pepe.

>>20792250
In the original film of The Stepford Wives, the wives were robots. In the made for TV version that soon followed the wives were real women zombified by pills they took on a schedule prompted by a public address system chime. Naturally it was easily hacked to repeat too frequently, causing the Wives to OD and go berserk. Can't remember who was in it, but if either Karen Black or Stockard Channing weren't, it would disappoint my memory.

>>20794943
meds time

>>20791903
>implying rich parents can’t be abusive

>>20790362
What is this pic related man job, finance? Selling insurances? Working as a doctor paid by Big Pharma?

>>20796276
this is what tradchuds leave out, most of the people living in comfy houses in the burbs were college educated including masters degrees and phds. the same "college is a scam" dimwit people bitching that they can't afford a house now wouldn't have been able to live out there either. always curious how these people that worship trad responsibility don't want to go to school and get a decent education.

>>20795710
You sound like you're already on meds. Moderna?