/lit/ - Literature

>>20761253
I did this with all 14 WoT books.

>>20761653
Any good zombie books aside of World War Z? Not sure I've seen any.

>>20761686
I don't think that guy you're replying to knows what sunk-cost fallacy is

>>20761686
We've all done this shit with numerous series. Idk, maybe it's different for gen Z and younger folk, but before I figured I can read stuff on PC everything I read came from a library. These days it's different, screens are normalized, downloading 100 books from zlib is common

Why do you consider sci-fi and fantasy to be the superior genres of literature??

Are there any books like Game of Thrones. I loved the first 4 seasons. The intrigue, the setting, the characters, the political maneuvering, the drama.

I only got into reading fantasy to read more similar stuff. But it seems most fantasy books are nothing like GoT

>>20761717
That's true, but there are also a lot that are similar.

>>20761717
>But it seems most fantasy books are nothing like GoT
And for that, those of us who possess a soul are profoundly grateful.

I am reading currently Feast for Crows. I am enjoying the books somewhat. I am also reading The Tower of Fools which is simply an amazing book.

read bakker

>>20761653
Fuck maps
Fuck world building
Fuck trilogies
Fuck sagas
Fuck sequels
Fuck prequels
Fuck magic swords
Fuck the chosen one
Fuck evil empires
Fuck evil churches
Fuck groups of plucky adventurers
Fuck grim dark
Fuck sci fi in general
Fuck female protagonists
Fuck female authors
Fuck ships
Fuck hard magic systems
Fuck other humanoid races
Fuck glorified violence written by sheltered losers
Fuck multiple POVs
Fuck dragons
Fuck GRRM
Fuck le guin
Fuck abercrombie
Fuck bakker
Fuck sanderson
Fuck political intrigue
Fuck thieves
Fuck bows

>>20761699
I think it is different for the "zoomer" generations. They grew up drinking from a fire hose. They're way better at dropping books, shows, and movies if it's not holding their attention. In my opinion it's both a good thing and a bad thing. I've noticed that their attention spans are terrible. I have several medical conditions that mess with my attention span and I'd still win a staring contest with most young folk. There's so many posts on /lit/ asking for advice on how to read. It's not that they're illiterate. They literally can't focus on one thing long enough to complete a book. On the other hand, I appreciate their ability to cut through the noise quickly.

>>20761653
Ignore/report spam.

>>20761717
The Prince of Nothing trilogy is heavily inspired by Dune, LotR, and GoT, you'll find all those things you are looking for in Bakker's books. If you enjoyed GRRM's grim worldview then you'll probably like Bakker's grimdark style.

>>20761717
yes, surprisingly there's a dearth of misery porn and gay faggot politicking in sci fi and fantasy
try
>the second apocalypse
>the first law
>malazan
>the southern reach
and if you think you've got a really really decrepit jewish soul, try
>dying inside

I hate and love Cersei. She is such a fucking whore but also cares for her children. She is also very stupid and very brilliant at the same time. What a character! I love reading her chapters.

Well, it finally happened. I'm on the final Golden Oecumene book and for the first time in 10 years, I'm out of sffg books to read and my backlog has been cleared.
The next books on my list are Moby Dick and Blood Meridian because I figure those two are outlandish enough to transition me from /sffg/ to /lit/

P.S. Don't read anything from John C. Wright. It's like if Joss Whedon had a mind for actual science fiction

what are the best female authors in your opinion?

>>20761761
So we would have a book which has no map and no worldbuilding, and its a standalone book. There are no magic swords and the POV character is not the chosen one who lives in a benevolent empire which has a benevolent church and he might end up in a group of adventurers who are realistic when it comes to their expectations about future prospects as in they don't throw their lives away for nothing. It will be happy fantasy book written by a male author. Everything will happen on land far away from sea and any magic there is will be vague and not understood and humans will be only intelligent race there is and no violence will be glorified. There will certainly will be no dragons, political intrigue, thieves, or bows.

So a lawful good white male character hero (not chosen one) who has sensible friends who live in a good land filled with good people and nothing fucking happens

>>20761827
Le Guin
end of list

>>20761827
i've tried hard to find one, but so far i haven't.

>>20761847
have you actually read le guin? i find it hard to believe someone who thinks there's only one talented female author would enjoy le guin of all people. she's a fucking miserable evil cunt

>>20761872
Now I wouldn't come in here with opinions about authors I haven't read now would I, of course I've read her. I'd be dying if I was lying.

>>20761872
You're even more miserable and evil.

How has that Rothfuss asshole not finished that book yet?
Dude, just hire some ghost writers at this point.

>>20761891
Only what the author wants to do matters.

>>20761891
He can't write because Trump. Who cares at this point? I never read his books anyways and the guy looks like your typical fat bugman who grew a beard. I guess, if his beard had more white strikes and the guy would tan himself brown he'd look like a budget Achamian.

>>20761827
I've only read 7 female fantasy authors, and three of them were partnerships with a male author.
>Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman
Dragonlance Chronicles, decent if generic writing but the actual plot is a pointless mess with about 200 other cheap books
>David Eddings and his wife Leigh Eddings
Belgariad, Malloreon, Elenium, Tamuli - all very good, though I believe David was doing the lion's share of actual writing and Leigh was more of a helper/brainstormer/editor/idea girl than an actual writer
>Mercedes Lackey and James Mallory
Obsidian trilogy, similar to Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn but less lengthy and pointless, but it's not as satisfying as it could have been
>Holly Lisle
Minerva Wakes - pretty solid portal fantasy but nothing special
>Tanith Lee
The Birthgrave - really weird silver age feminist stuff, but rather readable all things considered
>Lois McMaster Bujold
The Spirit Ring - now this was a really compelling book, strongly recommended
>Madeleine L'Engle
A Wrinkle in Time series - nice children's literature, Christian allegory a la Narnia

>>20761736
Why? It was such a great show(un until Tywin died) . I finished The broken empire trilogy and The way of kings but they are not like GoT. Doesn't have that factor.

>>20761775
Maybe I'll try malazan

>>20761847
She's shit. Fuck off.

>xeelee sequence ends with dark matter creatures assimilating the entire galaxy and the most-advanced race building a portal into another universe for baryonic species to emigrate into
>revelation space ends with humanity being chased out of the galaxy thanks to terraforming nanomachines
What are some other canonical endings to hard sci-fi series/universes? I miss when OPs had question prompts.

>>20761827
Lol

>>20761840
It could be set in Africa, racist.

>>20761243
I read the first Amber book as a teenager, hated it, forgot most of it, read it again at 30 and hated it for the exact same reasons. No idea what people see in it, it's shit.
Lord of Light is amazing though.

>>20761886
really? you don't like female authors in general, but of all of them, the one you do like is the jewish woman who writes explicitly anti-racist and feminist fiction where the white people are the savages preying on peaceful civilized people of color and the main characters and drivers of plot are women? the one who writes miserable unfun depressing plotless inwardly focused narcissistic crap?
i guess i could almost believe you if you said you only read the first earthsea book and nothing else


>>20761887
this is the level of eloquence i expect from someone who enjoys female authors

Is there any fantasy that uses real-world occultism and esotericism for its magic

>>20761905
good, informative comment

>>20761998
>Is there any fantasy that uses real-world occultism and esotericism for its magic
million urban fantasy trashy books written by women, mostly romances

>>20761998
the witcher is the only one i can think of.

>>20761685
First book of The Strain Trilogy was a fantastic outbreak story.

>>20761717
Dude, all fantasy post GoT is trying to be GoT. Try reading The Long Price Quartet.

>>20761827
Robin Hobb mogs

>>20761998
The Night Watch series by Lukyanenko I guess

Is there any fantasy that uses real-world voodoo for its magic?

>>20762051
count zero
american gods
anansi boys

>>20761930
I tried reading the first book and was immediately turned off by what the protagonist was like.

>>20762051
I vaguely remember voodoo magic in Mistborn, but I can't remember clearly, it was just one scene.

>>20762009
>million urban fantasy trashy books written by women, mostly romances
nah

>>20761930
>>20762065
really? how come? i'm genuinely curious
i also picked up amber when i was a teen, or maybe 20 and the first book grabbed me with its promise of an amnesiac who has to pretend not to be one and piece together his past
it's the retardation that comes afterwards i didn't like. i suppose i can't deny it was a creative universe, like all of zelazny's works, but i just felt stupid reading it.

>>20761761
i also hate fantasy

>>20761761
>Fuck maps
>Fuck world building
nah
>Fuck trilogies
>Fuck sagas
>Fuck sequels
>Fuck prequels
>Fuck magic swords
maybe
>Fuck the chosen one
yeah
>Fuck evil empires
>Fuck evil churches
nah
>Fuck groups of plucky adventurers
>Fuck grim dark
maybe
>Fuck sci fi in general
nah
>Fuck female protagonists
>Fuck female authors
>Fuck ships
>Fuck hard magic systems
maybe
>Fuck other humanoid races
nah
>Fuck glorified violence written by sheltered losers
>Fuck multiple POVs
nah
>Fuck dragons
yeah
>Fuck GRRM
>Fuck le guin
>Fuck abercrombie
>Fuck bakker
>Fuck sanderson
maybe
>Fuck political intrigue
nah
>Fuck thieves
>Fuck bows
yeah

>>20762060
>american gods
Fine, I guess I'll read it

Ursula K. Le Guin said Gene Wolfe was our Melville. What did she mean by that?

>>20762211
theres no voodoo in that book

>>20762215
Herman Melville is widely credited with writing "The Great American Novel", thus she is crediting him with the same degree of superb talent and inspiration in the realm of fantasy/SF as the greatest of the great writers. Britain has Shakespeare and Tolkien; France has Dumas and Verne; Russia has Tolstoy and the Strugatskys; Germany has Goethe and Wagner; America has Melville and Wolfe.

>>20762265
I've been baited. I need to read Gaiman eventually anyway. But not today

>>20761653
Which books have you been meaning to read but haven't got around to?

>>20762316
/lit/ is a slow board, anon, you don’t have to keep asking these question to force some sort of discussion in /sffg/, it’ll come in due time.

>>20762265
>>20762060
do any of those books have voodoo

>>20762038
>the Night Watch, an organization dedicated to policing the actions of the Dark Others
huhhh??

>>20762441
i've only read american gods which doesn't have any voodoo.
count zero is cyberpunk and has references to voodoo entities but i think it's safe to assume there's not actual voodoo in it, as it's cyberpunk
but there's gotta be at least some voodoo in the anansi boys. wouldn't be much of an anansi book without it

>>20762481
The voodoo in count zero is [Dpoiler]ayys[/Spoiler]

>>20762506
thanks for the spoiler tag. guess i don't ever need to read that book
i thought it was AIs

I know there's enough bakker spam, but I just read this passage in Unholy Consult:
>The nephew of the famous Gothyelk fell gouting blood, shaking uncontrollably as the immediacy of his circumstances drained away.
>Dismayed faces floated above him for a time, then death came spiralling down ...
>Bore him wailing to the fire.

When it says "Bore him wailing to the fire". Is that describing him actually being damned to hell in real-time? Is hell surfacing on the material world in the same way it did on the plains of mengedda? Regardless I just really really like the prose here. Very chilling.

>>20762038
Holy fucking shit I remember that. When I was in my "collect as many fantasy epubs as possible" Phase, the fifth book in that series was the hardest to find. Spent hours on internet looking for it.

>>20762078
As >>20762065 says, the protagonist comes across as an unlikeable cunt. And not just him, EVERY named character is either entirely forgettable or a sociopathic asshole. I did not care one bit what happens to any of them, which is a death sentence for almost any book.
Also all the "muh amber" wankery felt overly masturbatory to me, but that's a smaller complaint. I'm sure I had some others, but can't remember them anymore.

>>20762553
You might be looking too much into it. For once, never is fire mentioned as a torture device for the dammed. The best description of damnation that we’ve got is related to a certain important character that i’m sure you might know the name. Bakker can be very cryptic and devious on purpose with his use of metaphors and hyperbole/euphemism.

When was this scene, by the way? Great ordeal?

>>20762821
It's at the beginning of the chapter "The Golden Room" in TUC.
That scene is directly followed in with one similar that goes:
>Thane Sosering Rauchurl was felled from the heights of Gwergiruh.
>He was grinning to his compatriots when the missile dropped from the void of his left, piercing his cheek, breaking his teeth, and pitching him headlong into the frenzied threshing below.
>Death came spiralling down ...
>Bore him wondering to the brace of Gilgaöl.

After reading that, I think it's clear "Bore him wailing to the fire" and "Bore him wondering to the brace of Gilgaöl" is referring to damnation, but I don't think there's enough to say it's happening literally in the physical world mengedda-style, and is moreso just telling us these men are being damned after death.
Still a very evocative scenes though!

>>20762864
You might be right. But those only happen after “death came spiralling down”, so I have to assume that they are already dead. As for the fire part, it’s actually very likely that some ciphrang can use it as seen by the demons summoned throughout the series. How a ciphrang claims a soul, however, can depend on a multitude of things, many of which still unclear.

And now that you mention it, i just came to the realisation that a certain important character who was literally nuked might actually be currently held hostage(or spared) due to Kellhus’ dealings with the outside beings.

read cradle!

>>20762316
Moby Dick. It's just sits on my book shelf.

Is that anon here who was having a tough time with gormenghast? How's it going? Did my advice make a difference?

I have been reading Apocalypse Tamer by Maxime J. Durand, and enjoying it.
A slightly unhinged, Orthodox Christian, Belgian man living in rural France is caught up in the LitRPG apocalypse caused when Not!Mark Zuckerberg boots up Metaverse with the goal of becoming the Overgod. He is accompanied by his cat, who can now talk, a bloodthirsty house plant, a giant cowardlt centipede, and an Angel preaching about the evils of Coronatheism.

>“Stop singing off-note!” Basil snarled with anger. “It’s unbearable!”
>The blow sent the mermaid head-first into the ground. One of her teeth flew into the river with a ‘plop’ sound. She looked up at Basil with astonished eyes and river mud all over her cheeks. “Y-you hit me! You hit me, you little shi—”
>Basil slapped her hard enough to break her nose.
>“I am a feminist,” Basil boasted proudly. The half-fish put a hand on her mouth, blood dripping between her fingers. “I will defend gender equality to my last breath.”
>“By hitting a woman?” the mermaid asked incredulously. Her smug expression had turned into one of shameful anger.
>Basil remained unshaken by her accusation. “Chivalry is the truest expression of sexism! It demeans women by implying they need a man to protect them!”
>“I only hit you because I respect you as a half-woman,” Basil informed the mermaid as she hit a wooden wall with enough strength to crack it. “Because I know you can take it like a man.”

>>20763227
I didn't know he had another thing after Perfect Run/NDT/VtD. Seems to just be a consistently solid webnovel guy, huh.

>>20761827
Unironically, le Guin. Ironically, Tanith Lee and Octavia Butler.

>>20761827
The Night Circus - Erin Morgenstern
Beggars in Spain series - Nancy Kress
A Collge of Magics - Caroline Stevermer
Almanac of the Dead - Leslie Marmon Silko
China Mountain Zhang - Maureen F. McHugh
Thomas the Rhymer - Ellen Kushner
Hild - Nicola Griffith (historical fiction but it’s Middle Ages)
>YA
A Wrinkle in Time - Madeline L'Engle
A Wizard of Earthsea - Ursula K. LeGuin
The Dark is Rising sequence - Susan Cooper
Jinx series - Sage Blackwood
>Comics
Elfquest - Wendy and Richard Pini

>>20763285
>>20761910

>>20762512
it really isn’t ayys

>>20763343

>>20761827
For fantasy? Robin Hobb

>>20761653
Any sci fi about aliens amongst us?

>>20761685
Try I am Legend

>>20763447
Misery porn

>>20761827
I don't read gar... I mean literature, witten by females.

I submit to the supremacy of Bakker the ruler supreme.

>>20763564

Half way through pic related. Definitely not as good as the first book, but it's fine.

>>20762009
Name ten

>>20761653
I think Conan's constant failures as a king over Aquilonia shows that power isn't merely about prowess in battle, nor really even stature, but that the powerful are those who can pull strings and form Machiavellian alliances to fit their needs. If Conan is good at anything, he is good at usurping, but not keeping the throne, or just adventuring. Otherwise, he is a poor governor and an even poorer schemer. I think it would be interesting if someone wrote more intrigue and subterfuge in the Conan universe. But Conan's flaws as a ruler are pretty interesting and it makes him more believable.

>there are people who've gotten filtered by this

>>20761827
To me it doesn't really matter enough to care and check. If a book is good, it is good. The less i know about the writer the better. I recently starded posting on /lit/ and i am still confused by this e-celeb tier posting that is filling up this general. It's like there are 3~4 obsessed schizos in this thread that constantly spam and shitpost.

>>20763691
This reads like The Eye of Argon, peak schizoid

>>20763691
>What if grimderp... but more grimderpy?
Wow. Brilliant. Bravo.

>>20763691
Bakkerfags are just larping, r-right?

>Human vs non-human races
>Main protagonist is blatantly human supremacist
>Humans are an atom thin allegory for a certain ethnic group
>Non-humans are portrayed as human eating savages and are also an atom thin allegory for all ethnicities outside of said racial grojp
>Complete genocide is not only advocated for, but is taken to its ontological extreme against the non-humans

Any fantasy/sci fi novels outside of China that are this unapologetically racist?

>>20763739
bakker writes deep purple schizokino pulp prose. it’s baroque and over the top to the extreme and that’s part of why i enjoy it personally

>>20763979
Bakker prose is sublime, it's not over the top, its the other writers that are under the bottom.

>>20762553
>Death came spiralling down
>Slog
what are Bakker’s other spammed phrases?

>>20762316
Do you really want me to just list 30 novels? Cause I will.

>>20762553
>>20762864

Because of Inverse Fire and Mimara (The Judging Eye), we know there is Hell in the Outside as well as Heaven. The gist of it is that only very few get to Heaven, and Mimara can see which one do get to Heaven, she knows she is one the saved and that Esmenet is also one to name a few examples. Who goes to Hell and Heaven is completely up to the subjective opinion of the gods (the most powerful ciphrangs) but most indeed will end up in Hell. Now coming back to the short snippets you posted. The first guy who saw fires after he died, goes to hell. But in the second case the god of war rewards the warrior, taking him to heaven.

>>20764040
WHAT DO YOU SEE

>>20761243
I did something similar. I purchased the whole omnibus (all 10 novels) after hearing great things. I read the first one, absolutely hated it, but then I just gave it to a friend who was keen to give it a try. He was lukewarm on it, no idea what he did with the book though.

>>20764045
Do as you will.

>>20762316
malazan. I don't think i'll ever get ready for that one though

>>20764066
Never is heaven mentioned as such. All we know is that they escape the Ciphrang’s wrath somehow.

>>20764320
tomayto, tomahto

>>20764206
All the classic fantasy. I know it will be rewarding but it requires a little more effort and most of it is around medium length so it gets deprioritized. Saving the best for last I guess.
The Worm Ourobouros; The Mistress of Mistresses by ER Eddison
The Well at the End of the World; Water of the Wondrous Isles by William Morris
She by H. Rider Haggard
Lililth by George MacDonald
Gods of Pegana
finish The Night Land
There's a good deal more in that vein, too, but those seem the most interesting.
Still haven't finished Gibson's Sprawl trilogy or started the Bridge trilogy.
Still haven't read anything by Frank Herbert, Jack Vance, Vernor Vinge.
Still haven't read any female authors, I have some stuff by Le Guin, Birthgrave by Tanith Lee and Ombria in Shadow by Patricia McKillip. The latter I might read soon.
Still haven't read any of Greg Egan's novels.
Dracula, Kane stories, Gor novels (read the first one).

>>20761277

I just finished this. I agree with a lot of what you said anon, I still really enjoyed it but it did feel like it was 'less' than the first book.

From the blurb of the third book looks like it will be about the copper and probably much darker.

As for why tala left the dragons in the north, I think she was just disturbed at how un-dragonlike they seemed to her, at least in how she expected dragons to behave from her father and mother. She realised she needed to take her revenge before she could settle down.

>>20764353
Also I was really surprised that the story ended short of the ice wizards war

>>20764353
I'm now almost half-way through the third book and...I'm admittedly skimming a lot. The pace of the story starts grating on me after three similar books, I have only so much patience for unending little adventures. It truly reads like a webnovel, sometimes. I get the idea of showing three different perspectives, but so far it feels like the author took the same story skeleton and applied it three times in a row. Nonetheless, I'll finish the book in few hours and decide whether it's worth to read the second trilogy.

Kelsier nyo........
kinda falling in love with Vin's voice actress, bros.

>>20761717
the only fantasy writer i've found that does political intrigue as well as GRRM is Guy Gavriel Kay

>>20761827
The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin is really good. Haven't read her other stuff.
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norell by Susannah Clarke is really good. Haven't read her other stuff.

>>20764040
"Ever do men..."

>>20762316
Tolkien, Malazan, Le Guin, Gene Wolfe

>>20762316
Wolfe

>>20763691
That actually looks very good, ngl.

>>20764538
https://1lib.sk/s/the%20darkness%20that%20comes%20before
Enjoy, and don't forget to buy the actual book if you did.

How did Bakker know that sranc tasted like lamb?

Gormenbros: so was Steerpike a sociopath?

I'm honestly very out of touch with the Fantasy genre, and I'm kind of at a loss as to what epic fantasy series is actually worth investing in. If you had to suggest someone who's aching for a long, expansive, meticulously written fantasy book series with a world as huge, realised and well written as Tolkiens legendarium, what would you suggest?

Just to stress, I'm definitely not looking for a Lord of the Rings imitator, but a series that I can delve into as deeply as I can with Tolkien's world.

>>20764600
Prince of Nothing. Bakker is the de facto Tolkien of our days.

>>20764594
Yes. He's basically the American Psycho of the Gormenghast castle.

sorry guys but i found this https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1659202712387108.webm

So this was the BBC's biggest lit-adaption fuck up, right? How can one cast and crew so blatantly misunderstand the tone and themes of their source-work?

>>20764643
nice dick size bro

>>20764600
Unironically R Scott Bakker

>>20764600
Malazan. People will say second apocalypse but honestly the world is quite small and there is little 'fantasy' in the books.

I really like stories like Sir Gawain and The Green Knight and Beowulf. any novels with same feeling to them?

do you sort you shelf by author or by theme?

>>20764594
No, he's a psychopath (sadistic, no morality, can turn off negative emotions), not a sociopath (violent anger, destructive, wants nothing to do with people). Big difference you should read up on in case you ever run the danger of meeting one or the other. Most people don't believe psychopaths exist. Big mistake.

Beginning to realize Cradle is the only good cultivation story.

>>20764803
DSM V uses psycho/socio- as interchangable terms for Anti-Social Personality Disorder. A difference between the two is pop-sci shenanigans.

>>20764978
Plot is completely generic

Just finished up Between Two Fires, has anybody else read it?

Probably the first half of the book or so reads like a needless edge fest, until it clicks that the author is being that edgy to convey just how terrible demons are suppose to be in Christianity. Also edgy as it is- justifiably so or not- the book ultimately ends on an extremely hopeful note about redemption.

Beyond that the book using the Black Death in Europe as the setting for the apocalypse and then throwing in demons marauding the country side made for a pretty interesting setting. The prose weren’t bad, and the characters were all distinct enough.

Worth a read if you like a bit of fantasy/historical fiction. Just don’t let the edge turn you off, it serves a purpose.

>>20765086
And yet it's still better than literally all other cultivation stories we talk about in this god forsaken hellhole.

>enjoyed Mistborn 1
>started book 2
>Vin kills a fucking dog
uh...........

>>20763691
I can't believe the days of the grunkadorkale are over... Who would have expected the half king of the talltwhackers to strike so swiftly?

I self insert as Alyn Velaryon

>>20764600
Bakker. Much better than Malazan which just says that things are 10,000 to look epic but has zero depth.

>>20765345
>>20764655
>>20764607

Do you guys really think bakker fits for what this anon wants?
His world is pretty simple, the magic is pretty sparse in the first trilogy and things only get 'otherworldly' in the second.
The prince of nothing is basically just a long army campaign.

>>20765387
he didn't say anything about magic or use the world "otherworldly".

>Garia glowup arc
I'm okay with this

why is bakker so shit bros???

Maeor the cruel really did nothing wrong. What's /sffg/'s take on this character?

>>20764600
>If you had to suggest someone who's aching for a long, expansive, meticulously written fantasy book series with a world as huge, realised and well written as Tolkiens
The Wandering Inn.
Massive world, many characters, written well but not pretentious. The world itself is the star, even if you're mostly seeing through the lens of the day to day lives of the characters.
I've actually adopted the world for use as a ttrpg setting and its great being able to show a huge world map and knowing details for just about every major city and the powers that be in the areas.

With Dragon Outcast I finish The Age of Fire trilogy. My judgement: it was lacking. There's a lot of great ideas here, morality of characters is on point, world-building makes sense, feels real and authentic. I wanted books about Dragons and in that respect the author delivered, Dragons made sense as a species living in this world, powerful and proud, yet still in danger of hominids (humanoid races). However, only the first book could be called truly 'complete.' It was obvious the author could write well-enough after the first book, but the second was a derivative repetition that brought only few fresh ideas. The third one falls short in every regard. Most of the book I'd call plain boring, only the last 30% of Dragon Outcast is interesting, marginally.

I knew how the book will go on since the start, as the author seems to be incapable of using a different story structure than the one he started with. Youth, some struggles, then mentor figures, meeting new people, growing up into a social position and then some war/conflict at the end. Painfuly repetetive, mostly because of execution.

This book tried to try its strengths at scheming and typical fights for power among nobles (dragons in this instance), but couldn't offer anything more than cliches. Not convincing cliches, at that. The events at the end, or rather beahviour or characters, made me lose some braincells while reading. How can a person write dialogues so inauthentic? People don't talk like that, even absolute cliches. I'm a bit mad, actually, because I know the author could do better than this. One could even call this book rushed, unpolished.

The main characters in the series lack consistent characterization, looking back, with the third one suffering the most of it. It's as if there was an outline with some ideas and themes, and then the author pushed the character into it, giving it proper things to say, but without any substance. You can barely guess what the protagonist is thinking. It's a bit unnerving, because it's like watching actors trying their best to act according to a script that makes little sense.

Nonetheless, I don't regret reading the trilogy. I'll try reading the first book of the second trilogy, as this one felt very much like a set-up for a bigger story, but one should know when to cut their loses with books. There are better books out there, always remember that, reading bros. Here's to hope the fourth book's better.

5/10, could use another draft.

>>20765545
Shut up

>>20765470
>>Garia glowup arc
>I'm okay with this
Love me some character progression

L. Ron Hubbard's writing.

>>20764600
Bakker
>His world is pretty simple
Please don’t comment on books you haven’t read. And if you have, stop lying please. The only aspect where Bakker fell behind Tolkien, was in his non autistic world building.

>>20764600
Bakker
>>20765387
>His world is pretty simple
Please don’t comment on books you haven’t read. And if you have, stop lying please. The only aspect where Bakker fell behind Tolkien, was in his non autistic world building.

Which authors, other than Bakker, create realistic (fantasy with historical realism) medieval patriarchal worlds?

>>20764600
Bakker, his world is complex, the magic rich, it's otherworldly sublime.

>>20765679
Bakker is the supreme patriarch of fantasy.

Well it was nice while it lasted.

>>20765617
To add a bit to my review, I am beginning to form an opinion that a typical webnovel author is a better writer than a typical published author. Might sounds strange - it's the second one that actually gets published, the first should be a weak amteur, right? - but the reality seems to contradict that. A webnovel author does everything themselves, from writing to editing. They HAVE to be good writers and know what they are doing, even if haphazardly and under ever present time pressure. In comparison, basically every book author talks endlessly how they have to edit and have their work edited by others, editors or colleagues. Dragon Outcast had clear markings of a rough draft enhanced by an editor (as mentioned in Acknowledgments at the start of the book).

It's kind of ironic, actually. If you get a good idea and have passably not-horrible talent at writing, you can go and try get published. If you are a all-around rounded writer with a talent but no main-stream appeal - webnovel is the way to go. Publishing industry is mostly a turd-polishing service these days. And people still wonder why webnovels are getting more and more popular. How wouldn't they, if that's where people with raw talent and passion go? I'd rather read a rough passion project of a person who cares and has something to write about, than yet another soulless factory product.

>>20765692
?

>>20765696
We had almost half the thread before the Bakker circlejerk about nothing started up again.

>>20765696
Just Ignore her.

>For me? It's R Scott Bakker. Intelligent, Nihilistic and with a Wicked Sense of Humor

>>20765490
things got a bit doozy after his resurrection/recovery from the trial of 7 duel but were somewhat necessary for the Targaryens to survive by breaking the back of the faith militant and the septs

>>20765617
I just finished it. I liked it better as much as the second one but the first was much better.


I wonder how this series would have fared if he did the trilogy in a more usual way of stories, going slower with the timelines but having each book split between the PoVs.

I liked the ending of outcast but it lost a lot of steam realize there is no real threat to rugard from the dragonslayer as we know he's dead at the end of the first book

>>20765736
literally me

>>20761907
>Why?
It's easy to criticize ASOIAF due to how popular it is. Popular thing -> Contrarianism, it's a law of the universe that will persist after humanity exits the universe.
Everyone with an orifice has something to say about it, but the fact of the matter is that ASOIAF executes that "grim but realistic medieval world" feel extremely well and is unmatched in that feel.
You won't find any books that can match it in that regard.

I'm reading Dune.
>Geoff
I'm guessing you're supposed to pronounce this as gee-off or something.

any books with this?

>>20765973
It's pronounced Jeff, it's not an uncommon name

>>20766015
Looks like my balls sometimes if im sitting at an angle

>>20763979
>It's baroque
you meant to say
>It's broke

>>20766051
ah ah

>>20760216
>>20760099
>>20759999
Dungeon Carl is boring. This is what I was talking about a few threads ago. People rec Dungeon Carl and that Exploring Hotel as the best in the genre, when they are actually so so. New people like you read them, then get turned off the genre as a whole.

>>20766018
Indeed, I was trying to clarify it otherwise. Herbert must have run out of names.

Does anybody know of any fantasy books about "changelings" - fairy children exchanged for human children in the real world or vice versa - aside from The Broken Sword?

>>20765973
>>20766018
When I was as kid, Geoffrey was spelled Jeffrey and Stephen was spelled Steven, and if you ever saw the word spelled Geoffrey it was pronounced "Joffrey" and if you ever saw the name spelled Stephen it was "Steffen" but this gay post 9/11 timeline has gotten everything bass-ackwards

>>20765118
this was edgier than novels I've read about actual literal hell, the redemptive theme of the ending did not sufficiently satisfy to erase the grimderp of the rest of the novel and it sure didn't justify having some fag priest tag along talking about he likes poopdick

>>20764600
I wouldn't personally recommend it because I think it's awful (not to mention excessively long), but Tad Williams' Osten Ard series might have what you're looking for, but I personally find it as puerile as Martin's Game of Thrones.
There's lots and lots of worldbuilding in David Eddings ten-book Belgariad series, but you might find it a bit "kiddie"? Eddings also has a more mature series called The Elenium which is more "mature" and "deep" than Belgeriand but not to an edgy degree, I really like it, one of my favorite series. I recently read a series called The Obsidian Trilogy by Mercedes Lackey that has a very in-depth magic system and a complex series of cultures but the plot kind of wanders around without progressing properly for 75% of the books.

>>20764600
oh also, though I haven't read any of his books except The Wizard Knight, I hear only good things about Gene Wolfe's New Sun series, but frankly it's too sublime for me, I got filtered by it

>>20766015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum_decay#False_vacuum_decay_in_fiction

>>20766076
All litrpgs are boring

>>20766051
nice b8 m8

>>20766015
no

>>20765973
Jeoff

>>20765736
This is a troll/spam post, please report

>>20765692
>Ask in next thread

>>20764600
Only one that is expansive and deep enough is the Second Apocalypse series by R. Scott Bakker. It is a series that I fell in love with and not a day goes by that I don't think about it.

>>20764594
yes, he is also based

is it just be or are the captchas getting harder?

Someone was asking for book recs? Don't worry I've got you covered!

>>20763691
As shitty as the bulk of this (and I assume the rest of his writing) is, describing the assault on the family as "as though pursuing his bloodline to its thinnest tincture" is pretty great.

>>20766205
What is good prose to you.
Post examples so I can call it shitty in kind.

>>20766217
I rather enjoy the way that Titus Groan is written.

>>20766236
>shits on Bakker's purple prose
>enjoys Peake
Interesting.

I see you have not read Prince of Nothing yet.

>>20766236
Wow that's shitty. Purple prose much!?
lmao

>>20765692
Just report it, you already know the jannies will deal with them.

>>20766195
Not worth reading in S-tier: Vance, Pratchett, Herbert, Zelazny, Peake
Don't know: Miller
Not worth reading in A-tier: Adams, Gibson, Zelazny
Don't know: Robinson, Reynolds, Sturgeon, Noon

>>20766245
>>20766236
I have read and thoroughly enjoyed both Bakker's and Peake's works. Their books are in fact complementary and I invite anyone who has read either of those works to try the other one's.

Bakker sucks my dick

>>20766257
cringe sodomite post

>>20766254
Nah, not really.

>>20766254
This, they dealt with the bakkerspam in the last thread.

>>20766164
>All litrpgs are boring
Didn't know you were literature police. There are some great litrpgs, and you can't stop me from enjoying them faggot. Cry out about them as much as you want.
I will agree that chinese webnovels are utter shit though.

>>20766264
based chartmaker-kun

>>20766264
That tells me everything I need to know about Mervyn Peake.

>>20766272
Just because the spammer posted porn, so no.

>>20766268
I know what's better.
S-tier is Dunsany, Tolkien, Bakker, Wolfe, Asimov, Erikson, Malory, Eddison, Le Guin, Lovecraft, Morris, Kirkbride, GRRM (might be A-tier)

>>20766274
Seethe. The whole concept of litRPG is cringe and idiotic. The reason RPGs came up with stat systems was to portray skills and abilities in some numerical measurable way. In books this is of course unnecessary and in many ways debilitating any reading experience. Good novels revolve around an interesting plot, interesting characters and their development and in case of fantasy, worldbuilding. To resort to and in a way backtrack in some convoluted and fucked up way to having stats in books is base and low-brow in more ways than one. I don't even know why you are not "playing" visual novels instead.

>>20764369
What would have changed if Fang Yuan was born female? Would Fang Zheng develop a weird fixation on her? Would Giant Sun plot to somehow add her to his harem?

Assume that Fang Yuan still has the same immortality autism but was born female on Earth and transmigrated as a female into the Gu World.

I wonder how many books out there were never translated to English, leaving monolingual readers blind to their existence.

>>20766299
Stats are the worst things in a litrpg novel. I HATE novels with stats, and try to avoid them as much as possible.
Any book depending on stats for the story is absolute trash. The "online" and mmo books are shit too.

>>20766331
I consider it a mercy to civilized eyes that the vast majority of Russian, Chinese, and Arab literature will never reach audiences outside of their shithole countries.

>>20766299
So litrpg is basically a singleplayer roleplaying game then, and as such belongs on >>>/tg/
Why doesn’t the jannie delete litrpg posts with the same fervor he deletes other similar spam that doesn’t belong in this general?

>>20766372
By that logic every fantasy novel is no different from fantasy game with plot and as such should belong on >>>/vrpg/
Have you even read a single LitRPG book?

>>20766383
By that “logic,” you’re fucking retarded. And no, I don’t waste my time playing machine translated singleplayer /tg/ games.

>>20766372
>I never read this thing, but it belongs on this other thing, and now everyone knows I'm talking out of my ass

>>20766387
You're the fucking retard. It's a book, that was published. It's not a tg game. Read some actual books or do the general a favour and neck yourself.

>>20766394
D&D manuals are also books that were published. That doesn’t make them literature.

>>20766411
Who said litrpg are D&D manuals? From your thinking, that means that Malazan book of the Fallen is a D&D manual. Since it was basically a GURP campaign.

>>20766421
Don't respond to baiter, he's trolling. Let janny sort him out

Litrpg stats are no different from any other magic bullshit you can make up in the fantasy genre.

>>20765118
Between Two Fags

>but muh janny
>janny will clean
>call janny
when did this general become so pussy wiped

>>20766444
It’s the new wave of Redditors.

The ways of Bakker forever real, no matter how much you squeal.

>>20766257
>Pratchett not worth reading
I don't know how you come to this conclusion.

>>20766439
>one type of made up shit is same as another
water is water why don't you drink from the toilet?

The difference is, litRPG stats are reductionist and lack nuance which governs most non-hard magic systems. It might suit some autistic retards that are incapable of reading between lines and have fried their brains on too much anime or any other crap of equivalent shitness.

>>20766494
Truth shines!

This is apparently getting a Netflix adaptation. Not that that's an indicator of quality, but thoughts if you read it?

>>20766313
Highly unlikely that a female Fang Yuan would go through the same experiences in the Gu world. Would Fang Zheng even put pressure on his sister and force her out of the clan? Unlikely. Thus it would seem more likely female Fang Yuan would die in the ice catastrophe on Qing Mao Mountain.

>>20766501
I haven't read it. But if the author doesn't take their worldbuilding seriously, then I don't take them seriously. Making fantasy is one of the most serious and rationalist things in life.

>>20766649
It's taken seriously in the most satirical way possible.

>>20765936
Gurm is an amazing writer, he just got too caught up in cocks and pies he forgot to think up an ending

>>20766502
you're wrong. because this isn't a zero sum game. even if stats are reductionist, it doesn't mean the overall system must lose in complexity.
you just make up more nuances. as i said, it's all bullshit magic.
in fact, stats are just putting numbers to the bullshit, and normally you don't even have to do that and just just bullshit your way through everything.

in fact, stats barely mean anything. skills tend to be more impactful. and even skills are just weird fantasy magics one can come up with, except they are more common and everyone has them.
now if you wanted a similar setting without going litrpg, you'd just have to make up some other bullshit to get to the end result. but in the end that's all it is: bullshit.

>>20766702
stats are bullshit which is why they're unnecessary.

>>20766369
That book is French and this is a Bulgarian translation in the pic.

>>20766265
Right? I think he makes cringe shit only

>>20766195
I understand it's a shitpost, however Gormenghast needs to be moved down on the Hard to get into axis, and Lyonesse should be moved up.

>>20765345
>Malazan
>zero depth
Lmao, talk about failing to penetrate dense literature. Also stop shilling Bakker, you're tainting him with your midwittery.

>>20766745
You will simply never rule supreme, the ways of Bakker is unreachable by the likes of you, you just got filtered so hard you blew steam while reading and you just can't admit it don't you? you can't admit the the ways of Bakker is unreachable by the likes of you.

Poster above me is the/a Bakkerspammer. Janny, I’m begging you, please remove him.

>>20761653
Zombies only make sense with magic or high tech because the viral explanation doesn't make sense when you consider how muscles work.

This guy really loves sucking the janitors cock, damn.

>>20766782
Jesus Christ, report him instead of making posts about it.

>>20765632
but why

>>20766782
Please janitor, this poster keeps going off topic. Please remove him.

>>20766778
You're just a limited autismo. You'll change your mind about him eventually unless you stay that way in your 40s

>>20766800
Honestly, what category of report would it even be? Spam? Low quality post? Would a janny even be one familar with the general to properly judge whether spammer should get banned? Idk what are the punishments for 'wrong' report

>>20766824
Autism makes my opinion more valid, only an autist can grasp the full picture, a normie can't even scratch the surface. Also I've been a Bakkerbro for years, never deviated from the Bakker path, I've had my doubts but the I was always on the path of the supreme ruler.

>>20766835
It’s low-quality posts, spam and the occasional avatar use and the worst you’ll get is a warning.

>>20766748
Sorry, but the chart is perfect as it shows the collective subjective opinion of the /sffg/.

Is ASOIAF the first watershed after LOTR?

>>20766861
Chartmaker Supreme.

>>20766843
>only an autist can grasp the full picture
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
I don't need to read more

>>20766894
There hasn't been any great works of fantasy that transformed everything after those after Tolkien. Everything is a tolkien derivative in one way or another, even if they try to be as untolkien as possible (like asoiaf).

>>20761653
Science fiction is for losers.

>>20766707
fiction is bullshit which is why you should go read some real books.

>>20766861
Indeed. Indeed.

>>20766576
I thought I'd like it at first, but then I didn't.

>>20766966
I will not. It's entertaining.

>>20766702
I like that picture. it’s argument winning.

>>20766966
Why don't you stop reading litrpgs and go read some real books.

Only Bakker is real, realest one in the field.

>>20766195
You didn't make this chart.

I am reading some litrpg? What does PER status stand for?

>>20767296
Most LitRPGs tend to be pretty clear what things mean.

>>20767296
Perception

>>20767300
No it didn't say, I know the common ones, they are shortened like str, vit and so on but I have never heard of per

>>20767301
Thanks

>>20767315
Which one're you reading? Some are pretty shit at explaining what anything actually does because they don't want to acknowledge the character actually being better.

>>20767320
Unbound on rr

>>20767325
Oh, that. I've read the published versions of that and it's... Fine? Decent enough at what it does but it somehow manages to avoid showing most of the interesting stuff about the world that it keeps bringing up.

>>20767335
I didn’t ask, but okay?

LitRPG be like

>>20767335
Did you read book two?
Did he fuck the ghost lady in the shadow realm to escape?

>>20767339
It's called discussing.

>>20767348
I've read both published books. No. He just kinda putzes about in the Void for the entire book while other characters actually do stuff with the plot and the book ends with him getting out. Two whole books and he's managed to avoid civilisation, it's kinda amazing.

>>20767343
Those are chink novels. Where They would walk by a child being crushed on the streets.

>>20767335
I am at the very beginning, writing seems
ok but there have been few red flags already, he is still in the jungle, I will wait until he meets people and if it turns into another sitcom script with big brother tier character interactions I will drop it.

>>20767353
>spoiler
So basically, nothing happens?
I was shilled this shit book by a few persons who were hyped up on it. Book one was almost a slog, and now book two is literally nothing happens: The Novel.
Fuck this shit.

>>20767356
Physique 10/10
Empathy -1/10

>>20767361
It's not NOTHING, but it's basically nothing of relevance to the plot stuff that was set up in book 1. We still don't know why he was called there, most of the guild-kids are still kinda doing nothing, Felix just meets some bird-people and some pirates in the Void, and then leaves after fucking up the pirates. All the while the Maw continues to ree at him.

>>20761998
Bartimaeus Trilogy.

>>20767382
Yikes!

I have a bad feeling about Unbound. He nearly drowned in the waterfall and already he sees some unkwown woman while he is unconcious. I am afraid this might be just another coomer self insert fantasy.

>>20767485
Nah, not really that. It's got its problems but it's not those ones.

>>20761717
Bakker, and it's better

>>20767376
Did the maw at least give him a deepthroat bj? Swallow it all to the base?
That sucks. I hate books that start with X, then the next book they show you Y, when the entire reason you picked up book 2 was because of X, not Y.

>>20766195
>Bakker not alone in SS
Only critique really

>>20767509
He spends the entire book having to remind himself the Maw is an 'it', not 'she' and all it really does is go "Give me your body" and he keeps saying no because it can't actually DO much to him.

>>20767517
>SS
Bakker should be in SSS∞

>>20767527
That is a lame. Wish I knew that before getting book 2. I got book two on same day drop, just had it on ice. I would have never picked this up if I knew this, but since i already have it, i will have to read the book some day. Ugh.

>>20767578
It's not UNinteresting, it just feels like a filler arc, which makes sense being a webnovel, but they could've absolutely trimmed this down when publishing it.

Bakker will never rule Supreme
He will be nothing but a footnote in the annals of history while Sandersoy is immortalized

I've read 4 books in 2 weeks. How based is that, frens?

>>20767588
Not "feel", anon, it's literally a filler arc. The reason I wait for webnovels to be published on amazaon is because they are 90% of the time edited, and proofed before placing in Kindle or Audible. Some rewrite their books before publishing (Mother of Learning, Beware of Chicken), and the quality is only better for it. Just transplanting your shit from RR onto amazon and not cutting out the fat is just asinine and lazy. I will read it anon (since I already have it), but this will be the last book of the author if what you said pans out.
I got a bunch of red flags when I saw book one ended with him in the shadow realm with the thing he tried to kill as company, but my hype friend convinced me to get book two on same day drop. Not taking what he says at face value anylonger now. He has shown that his tastes can't be trusted fully.

An recommendations for SF books that feature galaxy spanning super civilizations something like The Culture series, House of Sun, Xeele sequence, Zones of Thoughts trilogy?

Not just a super civilizations being vaguely hinted at but being the crux of the plot

>>20767637
It's called 'space opera' and there are billions of books like this.

>>20767616
I put it higher than some other LitRPGs just because it seems to be more competent, but Felix is just not a super compelling character and the author seems allergic to giving him anybody to actually talk to for more than a hundred pages to be actually interesting with. Like, I like Felix more than I like Zac from Defiance of the Fall, but that's not exactly saying a lot because Zac has no personality. My vague list of webnovel LitRPG protagonists that I can remember is basically:
Carl (DCC) >>>>>> Jason (HWFWM) > Jake (Primal Hunter) > Felix (Unbound) >>> Zac (DotF)
There's others, I'm sure, but those're off the top of my head that I recall.

>>20767655
>Carl (DCC) >>>>>> Jason (HWFWM) > Jake (Primal Hunter) > Felix (Unbound) >>> Zac (DotF)
All of those turned into stinkers as the series progressed. Especially Fights with monsters.

>>20767593
Being popular has nothing to do with supremacy, Sandersoy will be forgotten the moment his fat ass dies, he is just riding the wave of trends and the moment they find something new he will be completely forgotten, sandersoy is a miserable man enslaved to writing terrible books, he never stops dwelling in misery, even the worlds he build is miserable, and his characters are depressed retards that will never rule supreme. You might think having a Kickstarter and a YouTube channel is supreme but in the literature world he sucks miserably, yeah he is popular on entertainment sites but when it comes to literature Bakker rules and sandi drools.

>>20767671
I've had no major problems with DCC so far, I did drop DotF and HWFWM is grating on me just because it feels like the interesting stuff is getting pushed aside so I might drop it too. Unbound I'll give a shot when book 3 is published because I don't care enough to read it on RR and Primal Hunter is... Fine so far, but again I'm only reading the published stuff. Jason only ranks as high as he does because even if he's not very likeable, he's a realised character compared to the sort of nothings that Felix and Zac are. Jake has a bit of that but not quite as well-made. Carl is way more interesting regardless, but hey. I've read some other LitRPGs with other protagonists all over the scale but those're the only webnovel ones I've read, I think. And I can't remember most of the details anyway.

>>20767682
>HWFWM is grating on me just because it feels like the interesting stuff is getting pushed aside
It's because the author took what was suppose to be a half book to one book of travelling to earth, and turned it into a doorstopper three novel filler, that ends on a cliffhanger.

>>20767701
Yeah that's the main thing. I would've been more fine with it if we got side-chapters with the people on the fantasy world dealing with shit in Jason's absence but instead it's just all Jason all the time, being a grumpy loner. Also the combat scenes got REALLY same-y.

>>20766102
Again it really does come off as excessively edgey, but I think it's mostly in service to the idea that proper Christian demons would be pretty fucked up. That's pretty much their purpose, they hate mankind and want to see them suffer.

Also I thought the redemptive ending was a decent pay off, but I get not feeling like it offset the edginess of the rest of the novel. But you've got to admit that author really didn't hold back with the idea of redemption being attainable for even the worst, which was a little surprising for how grimderp the novel was.

>and it sure didn't justify having some fag priest tag along talking about he likes poopdick
Can't argue with you there. Which is a shame because the priest wasn't a terrible character, but having him be gay was not only obvious, but also played out in the most obvious way possible too.

>>20766649
What kind of a retard do you have to be to think this applies to Pratchett? You can literally track the development of various countries across time in Discworld through books that have nothing to do with said countries outside off-handed remarks in passing.

>>20767750
You can basically timeline Omnia's rise from being a dwindling shithole in Small Gods to a genuine religious powerhouse in later books despite Omnia never being a locale for any book besides Small Gods.

>>20767714
Since book two it was dropping in quality. I think the author is a fan pleaser. Some of his fans were probably very vocal about Jason being too OP, so he dialed it back, and book two came out wonky. Some emotional shit about trying to fit in and some other crap. You could SEE the change from how things were in book one to book two. Then the author tried to make Jason more relatable by changing his personality. It became a shit show, but what absolutely shit the bed was the author having three LITERAL filler books, where nothing of consequence actually needed nearly 3k pages to pan out, and was just Jason getting beat up, so the author could get head pats from his fans that Jason isn't actually OP, and he was "so human", and "much emotional". God Reading those filler books really pissed me the wrong way. I haven't even picked up book 6 yet, because I heard it ends o a cliffhanger of his teleporting out. So I will just wait for 7 and read them one after the other.

>>20767796
I haven't even read book 6, I stopped caring after book 5 I think. It didn't drop off as bad as DotF for me, but DotF at least had the advantage of side-characters being more entertaining and, y'know, present, whereas HWFWM just kinda mostly is about Jason, and Jason isn't enough to carry a series anymore because his characterisation is all over the place. He genuinely doesn't seem to be allowed to grow out of being a flippant asshole, so the author makes him develop in EVERY OTHER DIRECTION.

>>20767807
Did we just actually have a constructive discussion about litrpg books and them falling off when the other tries to do too much,or please fans?

I noticed female fantasy authors are good at a fairy tale type of story. Tanith Lee is another one. This book is like that, but also has political intrigue around the line of succession. I picked this one to read first because it has an interesting setting where the city has a shadow city that coexists with it but is technically in a different place and time at various points. I'll finish this.

>>20767835
Well, as I said, so far DCC hasn't fallen off. I have my issues, mostly with how much is off-screened, but I don't dislike how it's going. I've read only one actually finished LitRPG series (This Quest Is Bullshit) which... I have odd opinions on. I generally liked it, but just because you're a comedic series that acknowledges that starting the plot in the last two chapters of book three of four is a bit dumb doesn't make it any less dumb. Also the last book kinda speedruns the plot as a result. It's charming enough as a series, though it has a similar issue of a stronger start coupled with petering out.
I also, on typing this, remembered I started reading Randidly Ghosthound and completely forgot about it. I'd put Randidly as a character as about equal to Jake, in that he's got a decent amount of realisation but he's just not really got a lot going on. And the story as a whole is really... Just not interesting.

>>20767841
>I noticed female fantasy authors are good
Stopped reading there

>>20767883
so cool so edgy

>>20767888
coomer

new thread WHEN?

>>20767883
Actually I'm misogynistic and love sff with rape in it, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of exploring new authors and reading good fantasy. She seems good so far. Also the protagonist nearly gets raped in the first chapter when she gets kicked out of the royal palace and has to run home at night. She has to throw jewellery to a crowd of drunks chasing her and shows up at the door to her father's house who doesn't want her any more (she left to be the mistress to the prince), her clothes are ripped up, her feet are bloody cause she stepped in glass, and her dad only agrees to take her back when she says she'll mop the floors and windows with hair.

Anon here actually reading books and happily recommending the Great Ship series which starts with Marrow. It has
>Big Dumb Object
>hard sci-fi
>lots of different distinct alien species
>evocative locales and imagery
>deep lore
>the author rewriting some of his stories for chronology and lore purposes, and refusing to elaborate

>>20767655
>read Infinite Realm
>has two main protags
>one is painfully boring for four volumes
>plot happens and his entire memory is rewritten so he forgets the circumstances even leading up to the happening and ends up becoming obsessed with mastering Time
Now he's actually fun to read but it only took 300 chapters!
>>20767671
Carl has gotten better and better.
>>20767868
>with how much is off-screened
I see this a lot but the plot reason is never mentioned. Perhaps the issue could be remedied by more internal monologue since we know his thoughts aren't monitored.

>>20767919
you must be the coolest kid in highschool

>>20767948
My main issue with the off-screening is that it makes sense to a point, but it feels like there's SO much discussion that we're never really made aware of. There's barely even an indicator of a plan sometimes, until it's underway. This is fine for when a chapter ends with "I made a plan" and then the next chapter is showing the plan being executed but when it's a grander-scale thing, it feels a little cheap.

>>20767953
He ruled supreme in high school?

>>20767959
I get what you mean, when it involves other people and we only really know about the bathroom trick. And sometimes it can take a few chapters to find out what actually happened, like with Loita's execution but I liked that scene a lot.

>>20767919
Wow, that was just sad. Doesn't even make any sense as a dumb comeback.

>>20767966
It's a fine trick once or twice, and that specific one was fine. But it seems to just be a constant thing for the author. It actually seems to be something he does a lot, I read his Dominion of Blades series just to see what his other stuff is like (DoB very much feels like the precursor to DCC in terms of style) and the protagonist there also has a propensity to make plans, though not quite to the same extent as Carl, and his plans are very often just... Glossed over until they're executed. I guess it's mostly to avoid the trope of "If a plan is openly discussed, it can't go off smoothly", but it's just... Awkward.

DGAF new thread
>>20768032

>>20768037
New threads are made at page ten.

>>20768037
We didn't even reach bump limit, fagget.

>>20767841
what's the best mckilip book?

The Hero's Journey makes me hard as a rock.
What are some top tier stories that fully embrace it?

>>20768037
OP seems to be a onions jack poster. Would explain why he made an early thread. Probably the shiposter from /wg/

>>20768053
Wheel of Time

>>20768049
I don't know yet, but this one won two awards and I liked the premise so I started here.

>>20768061
>OP seems to be a onions jack poster.
Well here's a real thread then
>>20768073

>>20768061
Is he the same fag that made thread whenever the threads read 310 or something? Because I remember that cancer.

>>20768082
I think that one got ban, a long time ago, he's probably this faggot >>20767925

>>20768082
>>20768087
He could just be the previous OP maker of /wg/. Since I always remember some fag would make a thread before the bump limit.

>>20768075
>>20768037
This is why making threads before page 10 is always such a bad idea, shitposts will just shit it up.

>>20766835
It’s low-quality posts, when they start to circlejerk that's when you report it as spam and don't forget the the occasional avatar use and the worst you’ll get is a warning. You only get ban if the wrong report is egregious.

>Thread is active
>Reach bump
>It fucking dies
Every time.

>>20768156
>20 chapters of DCC 6 on patreon
Should I take the plunge? Nahhhh I've got 3/4th of my current novel, two novels after that, and about 17 short stories to consume first

Is the author dead? I haven't heard anything about him in years.

>>20768087
Wow, the shitposter and spammer is really trying to shit up this thread.

>>20768177
Why are they even doing this? Is people talking about stories they've read wrong for them?

New thread
>>20768208

For me it's >>20768032

>>20765005
>DSM

For me it's >>20768208

>>20768075
This is the only one with any discussion.

>>20768261
>2 posts
>discussion

>>20768075
Not going to lie, but I regret making this now.

Which fantasy/scifi books have the best fight scenes?

>>20768075
>Bakkerspammer trying to falseflag already.