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Its only justifiable with a slave morality affirming ideology or if all viable alternatives would be worse.

>>20739654
Well, why didn't you create Amazon?

>>20739654
>Wash your penis.
>Clean your room.
>Stop complaining.

Its just a rat race to the top. No-one publishing political media of any kind is actually on your side not even Marx. They are all more or less working on the same project (here in the west).

>>20739654
>Tell me, how is this possibly justifiable?
there are limits to capital power, NY turning down something as big as amazon, especially after funding the start-up, is nothing to sneeze at.

>>20739654
>>/pol/

>>20739669
Yeah I honestly think my coworkers are slaves. I try to work as slowly as possible just so they lose as much money as possible but I see some of my coworkers literally RUSHING and stressing their bodies out just to get Bezos a new yacht. It's incredible. I don't understand why these people aren't burning the fucking place down.

>>20739692
>just be a slave bro stop complaining
How is everyone just ok with this? There should be furore and uproar over this. Bezos should have his head chopped off. But everyone is slaving away as if this is normal and good.

>>20739654
Read Ellul.

Well, if you work hard and teach your children well, and provide for them and their education, then your descendants may also attain such a level of luxury and power as to secure your genetic future for eons.

If not, suck my cock.

>>20739654
Same, working in badly paid menial labour turned me into a commie by the first week

>>20739654
>What did the owners do? Literally nothing.
They have the vision and owned the risk. You profit off of what they built. And your profit accurately reflects the lack of risk on your end.

You don't need to front your own money, with the possibility of losing everything. You don't need to understand the entirety of the business and how the interlocking parts fit together. You don't have to keep tabs on the competition. You don't need to analyze market trends, make sense of the world, and steer the ship of company to adjust for ongoing storms.

Just do your job and you get paid. That's all you signed up for. You deserve nothing more, nothing less.

>>20739654
>be Jeff Bezos
>have all the god damn money in the world
>still just do the same work
>bone some 6/10 50 year old poster-woman for botched plastic surgery
My primary problem with the super-rich is not moral, it is aesthetic. Wealth is wasted on the rich. He could have built a Neuschwanstein for that money. He could have a yacht designed that wasn't butt-fucking-ugly. He didn't, because he has no soul.
We must return to feudalism at once, at least nobility had style.

>>20739824
>They have the vision and owned the risk.
Oh piss off, bankruptcy laws means that the worst a richfag will risk is having to live like an average poorfag for merely 3-5 years.

>>20739824
>They have the vision and owned the risk.
I already explained this. Their investment has been paid back with interest. If they put the money in originally then it's fair for us to work for them until they are paid back with interest, just like a loan, but perhaps they deserve more interest because a business is riskier than a loan. Fine. But they've been paid back now. They've got 400 million dollar yachts; they've been paid back MORE than they deserve. Now the profit should be ours.
>You profit off of what they built.
No, I explained already. The WORKERS BUILD EVERYTHING AND DO EVERYTHING. Jeff Bezos simply sits in his yacht.
>steer the ship of company to adjust for ongoing storms.
1) The owners rely on whole teams of workers to advise them on which decisions to make.
2) Insofar as the owner is involved in making high-level decisions, he is acting as a worker. He can be paid a wage for this like the rest of us but he does not deserve to take all of the profit.

Stop justifying slavery and gaslighting me. Bezos sits in his yacht while we do everything.

>>20739654
OP you just built a tool. You built a warehouse but you dont know how to use a warehouse.
Guy working as a janitor in scalpel factory isnt entitled to a surgeon pay. Kid in Congo who mines Cobalt with his hands cant make an iphone with it.
A warehouse isnt some magical profit house that just generates profits magically and automatically.

Get a loan and start your own business OP: pro tip you wont because you are a retard who can only do simple things he is told to do. Sorry OP but doing simple things you were explicitly told to do again and again and again on repeat wont make you rich.

Warehouse owner did all the profitable work: deciding what to stuff in the warehouse. If you think you can do better, get a loan and build your own warehouse. Sandwich panels, 3 or 4 tonnes of iron profiles and mexican/eastern euro welders cost ~10k$, your typical warehouse. Trucks, land, electricity etc is all variable, and something you would have to figure out as the owner (pro tip: you wont because you cant).

>>20739654
These observations existed before Marx was even born.

>>20739654
Wealth used to justified in part by requiring the wealthy to spend it virtuously, for purposes such as art, knowledge and religion. Now that no such requirement of virtue exists, I agree that the situation is unjustifiable. I disagree that Marxism is the answer, though, I think history shows it clearly enough that Marxist societies do not spend or distribute wealth any more virtuously than capitalist ones do.

>>20739654
>It made me realise Marx was right.
>All of us are there, sweating every day for 8+ hours to build this new Amazon warehouse, while the owners are sat in their yachts claiming all the profit for themselves.
That's exactly where Marx stops being right.

>>20739867
>You can't just keep profiting off of your investments because I don't think it's fair
Stay poor.

I don't understand. Was there someone holding a gun to your head forcing you to do that job? Were you in chains and your unwillingness to build the new Amazon(tm) warehouse would end up in lashings and beatings?
Sounds to me like you have a bad case of slave morality. Snap out if it, fucker.

>>20739654
>What did the owners do? Literally nothing. They may have injected some money in the beginning

There's your answer. It's enough to assume risk at the start. You can't really argue around this from a Marxist perspective imo. The stronger argument to be made is declining rate of profits as a result of mass production and the tendency to keep wages as low as possible. That is Marx's strongest argument, none of this emotional shit about who works harder than the other.

Owners know where to build the warehouse and you dont. You also dont know what to put in it. Simple as. You doing repetitive retard work entitles you to Amazon (tm) profits as much as Congo child miner digging cobalt with his fingers is entitled to Apple (tm) profits.

Simple repetitive 80 iq manual labor =/= profits.

>>20739654
>And yet the owners get all of the profit.

all the cost too, retard

>>20740060
no. bezos making billions has nothing to do with his skillset and everything to do with the fact that he has capital which has positive ROI

>>20740113
Nothing prevents you from taking out loans and buying stocks/bonds or starting businesses. I dont see the problem. You as the worker (tm) know how to build all the propulsion engines of Benzos yacht, why dont you just.. build all the Bozo shit but instead of trading all this shit in for a minwage you just keep it? You are building all of it, right?
>i built all the amazon warehouses! and then i just gave all these warehouses up for my 7$/hour
Idk mate you seem to be the retarded one here, dont trade away whole amazon trillions you (tm) built (tm) as the worker (tm) for a minwage next time.

Kek, easy. You're the looser doing all the work while the owner takes all the profit for doing nothing. You could've also not have gone to work and stayed at home. But because you're an evolutionary and moralfagoot looser you, for whatever reason, went to work for a shitty wage. It's totally all your fault.

>>20739654
>What did the owners do?
Paid you

>>20739796
Discounting the millions of possibilities that could occur to hamper your great american dream. Just make sure that you don't have severe mental health issues for the abysmal medical system in america, that there isn't a total fuck up of the economy by the rich doing something without being punished again, that you can afford insurance, rent, and education while every limb of the system is doing everything it possibly can to make it as difficult as possible.
"Work hard" is the most uninformed statement about capitalism. It's this boomer mentality that no matter where you work you have the chance to """work up""" as if there is any possibility that you can aspire to Bezos working as one of his slaves. Seriously go fuck yourself. Wealth is inherited, never made.

>>20739654
Thank you. Now read Marx, and your life will be radically altered. Reading him was the closest I've come to a spiritual revelation. It's unbelievably fucked just how much 99% of our species is suffering and being exploited by the 1%. Unreal. Dystopian literature is a psyop. We're living the Dystopia RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

>>20739654
>I took a construction job...
>'this is bullshit'

>>20739717
>I don't understand why these people aren't burning the fucking place down.
You don't do it either, though. Because you're different, right?

>>20740283
I would if I wasn’t alone

>>20739654
I don't give a fuck about having a yatch but if I can't even afford to have a family I have all the rights to have your head on a stick

>>20739824
This. You're crying about life not being fair like a faggot child. Make your labour more valuable, become a hermit or keep coping.

>>20740316
Sheep confirmed. No wonder you look to marxism.

>>20740033
It’s slave morality to think that you should just “accept it” and not chop off the owner’s heads. You’re literally defending a slavery system and accusing me of “slave morality”. We are slaves now but if we chop off their heads and reclaim the fruits of our labour, we will no longer be slaves. It’s like a guy is stealing from you and if you do something about it or object, people accuse you of having “slave morality” and being “resentful”. It’s not resentment, it’s stopping a fucking parasite from sucking your blood.
>>20740034
No it’s not enough to assume the risk lmao. Even in gambling, you assume a massive risk and at most you’ll get 10x what you put in. You don’t just keep getting money indefinitely if you win. The same thing here, the owners put some money in so yes they deserve to make some profit from it. Let’s say they deserve 10x what they put in just to make it simple. But once that’s paid back, the profit should then go to the workers, who have paid back the initial investment.
>emotional
It’s not “emotional”. It’s pointing out a fact, which is that the workers do EVERYTHING to run the company and the owners do NOTHING. It could be objected that the owners make high level decisions, but when they do so they are doing it in the capacity of a worker, and if you stripped them of the owner privilege they could continue to make those same high level decisions assuming they were competent.
>>20740060
Retard. The workers do EVERYTHING. It’s not just menial workers, but also accountants, engineers, computer programmers, marketers, robotic developers, high level managers etc. These are all workers and some of them are very smart capable people. The workers as a whole do everything to run the company and the owners do nothing but take all the profit for their 40 million dollar yachts.

>>20740409
why tf would computer programmers and robotic developers group up with your toilet cleaning sort tho? capitalism (tm) is already paying all the skilled and educated workers enough

>>20740404
You want me to burn down my workplace on my own and go to prison and thereby accomplish nothing? I don’t have the temperament to be a revolutionary leader, but someone needs to step up and do it because this is theft on a mass scale.

>>20740415
Because the owners steal from workers. It’s literally parasitism and theft. Of course nobody will actually revolt because everyone is happy to be a slave now.

>>20740420
Wait till you learn how banking works.

>>20740409
>menial workers, but also accountants, engineers, computer programmers, marketers, robotic developers, high level managers
None of these are the same class. There is no unified group which:
1. Is the overwhelming majority
2. Whom society depends upon
3. Is in dire need

Also, capitalism does not exist. It's all expectations. The superstructure is more important

>>20739654
Jeff Bezos will never know what it's like to pleasure a woman if that's any consolation.

>>20740431
>Because the owners steal from workers
No they don't. Revolt in the name of what? You idiot, are you unironically 15? What are you going to replace it with? Everytime it's been tried it's much worse. Plebian dictatorships are always the most brutal.

>>20740431
>Because the owners steal from workers
I'm sorry but what are they "stealing" except time and energy which they pay back in kind? Would you have built anything like that if somebody didn't orchestrate it?

>>20740441
Neither will OP though.

>>20739654
>Megayacht
OH NONONO!!! AHAHAHAAHAA!!!

Don't hate the player, hate the game. If feds weren't starting to crack down on crypto pump-n-dump scams, I'd recommend trying that.

>>20740431
Programmers at most companies get stock options, making them literal partial owners in their business. Why would they try to undermine their share price to make you happy?

>>20739654
Join a trade union

>>20740444
>No they don’t.
1) The workers do everything that is necessary and sufficient to run the company and make profit.
2) The owners take the profit.
3) So, the owners steal from the workers.
>it’s got to be this way
Oh don’t gaslight me. It’s obvious the elites have set it up this way so they can spend 400 million on yachts and other useless pointless toys. There’s a massive, huge contradiction in this system, and you’re telling me “it’s just got to be this way”. No it doesn’t. They are parasites.

>>20739851
agreed

>>20740371
>"deserve" "accept it" "have all the right"
You have to realize that we live in a society. All civilizations are built with and sustained by immoral brute force, debt, and deception. Who do you think worked in the silver mines in ancient greece? Society is fundamentally immoral. Everything you are being told about rights, entitlement, moral foundations of law and society etc. is either just propaganda, brainwashing, social engineering by the psychopaths running the show, or in the most favorable case damage control by mellow minded conservatives.

The times when our ancestors roamed the plains and forests as groups of free men are over.

>>20740487
That's shit advice, don't work in a union, work for the union. Climb that administrative ladder and see how you become untouchable by the mortals.

>>20739654
>I signed a contract, agreed to the salary, and now I am jealous of my employer's wealth!
Go start the next Amazon then.

>>20740462
The person who orchestrated it was a worker (landscaper, architect, engineer). The owners simply told him to do it, but the workers can handle the administrative duties themselves. After all, insofar as the owner handles administrative duties, he is acting in the capacity of a worker, doing labour.

>>20739654
>Commie
>Whiny ineffectual faggot
Yup, that checks out.

>>20739654
It's just the fact that is. Administrative jobs just rack up the money because they control the resources. From human resources, to material resources, etc.

>>20739654
>Tell me, how is this possibly justifiable?
You've decided to sell your labor. Nobody forced you at gunpoint to work construction. Your going to school to develop your value, aren't you?

>>20740509
You need somebody with a unifying vision to tie everything together

>>20740507
You’re such a slave it’s unbelievable. Posting a picture admiring that retard lmao. God I hate this world. When will Jesus return?

>>20740526
Yes, it can be a worker at the top. A director is a worker insofar as he does labour (makes high level decisions).

>>20740535
Work smarter not harder

Do people ITT consider Bezos to be the best and most worthy person in the world because he created something of so much value? Why would you justify a system that does not reward the best people? Why do they often hate the effects of rampant globalism and capitalism but defend and justify the people who profit from and promote it?

Ok you figures that part out now whens the part you are genuinely willing to put your life on the line to make the communism

>>20739867
>Their investment has been paid back with interest.
And if their investment WASN'T paid back with interest, which is a very real possibility given that most startups fail, then they would be on the hook. In fact, it's rich that you accuse me of gaslighting you when you're refusing to acknowledge the risks that entrepreneurs take on when they start a business.

Let me break it down even further. They succeed? You win. They fail? They're on the hook, but you still win, or at least are left no worse off.

The other posters are right in that you want to own the upside but not that downside. That makes you a rentseeker and a parasite.

>>20740530
Go start your own business faggot. You won't because you're lazy, have no talent or skills, which is why you work for minimum wage with retard africans.

>>20740509
The engineer is not like you though and he in turn was orchastrated by an owner, the original signifier. It is the owner's will and everything is always owned by something.
>>20740546
Capitalism doesn't exist, the state/sovereign already owns everything under its sight, it just pretends not to. The only thing politics comes down to is governance and not lack thereof. There will always be a sovereign entity. The superstructure is more important than infrastructure in structuring society.

>>20740547
Never, OP will realize how the game is played and just make the best of it for himself, and jews like you will be mad AF because you missed out on sucking blood from another soul.

>>20740546
And how would you create a system that does reward the best people? More importantly, who determines who the "best people" are?
Capitalism has it's flaws, but at least it's loosely meritocratic, which is more than can be said for the alternatives.

>>20740492
>1) The workers do everything that is necessary and sufficient to run the company and make profit.
>2) The owners take the profit.
>3) So, the owners steal from the workers.
The owners own the business, which is why they take the profit, you idiot. The workers are using the material of the owners. Cry more about private property then.
>Oh don’t gaslight me. It’s obvious the elites have set it up this way so they can spend 400 million on yachts and other useless pointless toys. There’s a massive, huge contradiction in this system, and you’re telling me “it’s just got to be this way”. No it doesn’t. They are parasites.
I'm in agreement that it sucks but what other way do you have? I am asking. Communism? because that's fucking retarded. Some sort of Traditionalism is the best alternative, getting off the grid as much as possible and building strong, independent communities of likeminded individuals. But then you wouldn't get your mcdonalds and iphone and videogames, unless you changed the mindset of the people radically.

And the real problem is usury banking, not muh capitalism.

>>20739654
>>20739770
Have a part in something I've been writing about Bezos.. It's certainly interesting that his wealth is so obscene that if all his money was split with every human alive we would all get 14 dollars each.. The Saudi royal family are worth well over a trillion. Imagine if the wealth of the richest million was taken and split equally.

>>20740242
Mental health issues are quite literally in your head.

>>20740578
>Some sort of Traditionalism is the best alternative, getting off the grid as much as possible and building strong, independent communities of likeminded individuals.
Or just instituting strong ethical virtues to society considering it all depends on the quality of the rulers. But that's easier said than done.

>>20740522
I’m a student I have nothing else to do. My heart breaks for those who do this all of their lives though.
>>20740550
Imagine going to a bookmaker’s and winning a risky bet and then demanding constant income forever because you “took a risk”. Total retardation, the same logic doesn’t work for anything else except when you wish to justify your slave system. And no they are the parasites not me; at least I contribute something and at least I’m productive.
>>20740553
Go start my own business and own my own slaves? I’d rather not; I have morals and principles.

>>20740602
>Go start my own business and own my own slaves? I’d rather not; I have morals and principles.
You don't have to hire people, do all the work yourself. That takes effort though. More effort than just being a wagecuck.

>>20739770
Be a slave to some random capitalist asshole, be a slave to the state, be a slave to a dictator, or be a slave to Nature. Most humans are slaves and always will be. (myself included)

>>20740609
That’s what I have to do yeah. Because if I have to work for a living to make someone else rich I will just commit suicide. It’s not worth being a slave. Doesn’t matter if they pay you 100k a year, they’re still taking all the surplus value of your labour, you’re still getting cucked and stolen from.

>>20740609
Just because something is a certain way doesn't make it right. If the modern world is set up that you have to take advantage of other people to succeed then the right option is to stop playing. If enough people did so then you can have change.

>>20739824
They don't know any of those things except asking the bank for money. You think bezos knows anything about construction? You think musk knows anything about building cars? Nah? they pay people that do with money the bank prints out or thin air.

>>20739654
Working is the final, ultimate cuck. You get one chance at life, one finite chance at existence, and you spend a third of it working to make someone who already has more money than they can spend richer.

You don't watch your kids grow up, you just see them a third of the day, when you're tired and burnt out. Instead they sit in their own shit screaming at some crowded daycare so you can work, and work, and work.

You'll never read those great books because you're always tired from working. You'll never hike the Appalachian trail, PCT, go backpacking in Patagonia, etc. because you only get 2 weeks off.

Your life is another man's, feeding his wealth. You are his cum sock. He will go to space. He will have four somes with teen models. He will own boats. He will sail the globe. He will make billions in a few weeks while on vacation. You will be cuckolded.

Even your wife and daughters aren't yours, they will spend half their waking hours at work too.

>>20739824
I think this is weak because imagine a business that someone worked hard to make successful, he passes it on you his kids, who do the same. After several generations the owners and their families are able to have something they personally didn't earn or build.

>>20740649
And there are people who play the system. I know a person who in his 60s has spent his life gambling, and drinking. He set his kitchen on fire and was given some extra money every month, so for the last few years he has been given as much as someone earning above minimum wage on a full time job.
Other people have kids and are therefore paid by the government through the tax you pay from your wages.
Refugees and immigrants are supported, provided free homes and given expenses
All from your pocket.

>>20740622
Not going to happen, even though many White Westerners are increasingly unsatisfied with their civilisation, the economic elites are importing millions of 3rd world retards who are much cruder materialists and who are much more easily satisfied, i.e., better slaves. You should just work to get off the system somehow, work for independence from it.

>>20740673
If society is truly beyond repair then to emulate Diogenes becomes the only appropriate response.

do you realize how insanely risky it was to invest in the first doctom bubble? if you picked a winner and held, yeah, you're doing to get a return. deal with it. if you don't like it go work for pets.com.

As a side note, Bezos always seems like a weird one for commies to complain about. The man is the kind of person who would be rich and successful in any system. He's a summa cum laude Princeton graduate with a degree in robotics engineering. To top it off, he has a remarkable amount of business savy and the ability to play bureacratic politics well. If he was born in the USSR, he'd be in charge of a billion-dollar aircraft or SSSR design bureau and given his own $100 million private dacha on the black sea like every other commie leader.

>>20740602
>business have slaves bad
>state have slaves good

Hrm

>>20740668
Can't get too upset with it. When people say welfare spending has gone up by some crazy percent that is very misleading. That isn't for poor people. The only really big budget item for poor people is Medicaid, free healthcare, and in a lot of states that's only for kids and mothers.

The big welfare item is UBI for seniors. $2.5 trillion a year to Boomers, regardless of how much they need it. Canceling student debt would be the biggest wealth transfer ever? Yeah right, Boomers get $38,000 a year in transfer payments a year, normally for like 20 years. The better part of a million bucks for every Boomer (it will be over a million with inflation).

Not only that, but they slashed their taxes during their working years and bought a ton of stuff, so they passed on $30 trillion in debt. $126,000 per person under 65.

Yup, the people with the greatest economy to save in for all of human history have no savings and need trillions a year. They are basically all of Congress and the Cabinet. Boomers have held the White House for 32 years, since many of them were themselves in their 30s. Meanwhile we only go people younger than Gen X in Congress 4 years ago.

It's an all Boomer system. America is a flaming going out of business sale for Boomers. That's why we won't do anything about the climate even as the West runs out of water. That's why we closed the economy and schools for two years for a disease that mostly killed old people who only had 36 months to live on average.

Don't forget they also did mass migration, which turned their $90,000 houses into $800,000 properties that give them unlimited equity loans.

>>20740060
>>20739941
Sorry no one replied to your first post

>>20739654
Jeff probably works longer hours than you do, all that overtime really adds up.

>>20740653
Not many privately owned companies out there. And most of them pale in comparison to the scale of public companies.

>>20739796
>then your descendants may also attain such a level of luxury
this is how the whole millennial generation got fucked in the ass you fucking retarded zoomer mongoloid tranny cocksucker

>>20739654
>gets mad for making bad life choices
>suddenly marx is right
The world isn't fair, but it's not capitalism's fault; it only reflects human nature.

>>20740801
>Jeff probably works longer hours than you do
yeah he probably spent a lot of time designing that mega yacht

>>20739770
He literally made your life easier. This is just envy.

>>20740583
Yeah, the world would certainly be great if whenever someone achieved greatness other people robbed it and splitted among themselves. What a dream come true.

>>20740927
Not him but the truth is that you can't blame Bezos or the jews or the glowies or China. The #1 reason why things have gone this way and we live in the clown world is that the average person is a chickenhead who will always choose the path of least attrition. How does this product shipped all the way from China cost $1 when it normally costs $10? How is this free software free? How do they pay for all that storage and bandwidth? Are there any hidden costs? LOL WHO GARES I BAY LESS :DDD I LIKE VREE SHID :DDDD

>>20739654
The real question is, why is this on /lit/?

Lmao at you guys
>hate rich people
>want to be rich like them
>don't want to work like them
>want people to figure out another way for themselves
That's why communism revolves around murder and violence: they don't want to produce anything; just steal what was earned by others, hence they require violence.

>>20740941
I believe that people should reap rewards for their efforts but 1) these people are richer than even emperors in the past 2) Amazon notoriously breaks the law, just like all these multi-billion ventures. That's exactly how they make so much money, they break the law. It's not clean money.

>>20740952
I doubt you care either. You probably just care enough to complain about it here and feel enlightened by the "truth". Before, after and even during these posts, you are just another common person enjoying the benefits of such monstrosities.

>>20740968
>just steal what was earned by others
Amazon's money is largely earned through unlawful means. All these companies do illegal shit and then they get a slap on the wrist because they can buy anyone they want. See Facebook's sanctions as well. If a smaller company did the shit that Amazon got away with, it would get booted hard by the law and everyone would get arrested.

>>20740978
Yeah, they are rich af, but their money is not hidden under their beds rotting away. It's all used to keep amazon (which benefits the hundreds of millions of people using it to get what they want and their workers), stocks(which benefits the businesses receiving such investments) and, finally, things like the boat in OP's post (which benefits the people building it by providing them work and payment). The money these people have literally moves economy and is always flowing in a beneficial way to millions of people.

>>20740984
I only started buying off amazon after all my local shops closed off or moved to selling on Amazon (ironically) I still prefer to buy locally. But how does your argument invalidate what I said?

>>20740992
>Amazon's money is largely earned through unlawful means.
absolutely fanciful cope

>>20740420
>Well SOMEONE needs to do it
lol
lmao

>>20741001
>but their money is not hidden under their beds rotting away
this is in fact the case and what you said is not true. the vast majority of the money earned by the 1% does not go back into the economy. there's an article about this that I may link later if the thread is still up

>>20740941
You're you missing the point because it's simply to show how vast their wealth is. If there are 8 billion people and if you can afford to give everyone on the planet $10 and still have enough money left over to be one of the richest people on the planet, that's insane.

Also if I concede your point about stealing their money. Leaving them with 100 million and annual income of 1million would be more than enough for them and generations.

>>20741012
>is not true
Highly doubt it, this would mean that they would lose billions per year due to inflation and they are not that dumb and forgiving about losing money. Feel free to link the article and prove me wrong though.

>>20739787
Does anyone have a copy of this or know where I could get one?

>>20741049
If they did that, their business would literally bankrupt. When a business fails to profit they are fucked. Even the stock holders will ditch them. A business requires continuing reinvestment in other to thrive and such reinvestment is analyzed before investing into one.

>>20739654
Certainly your time and efforts are taken from you, but the truth is that those will be gone anyways, if only by merely living.
You slave away constructing the building, but think how it'd be if you critiqued yourself as you critique the client to the building: Did you craft the hard hat or the clothes you wear? Did you gather the sand for the concrete? Did you grow the ingredients for the meals you ate while working? It's not as luxurious, but you're also enjoying someone else's work.
It's impossible to live without taking from something or someone, just a little bit. Likewise, regardless of the reasons they made it there, the people at the top are big fish while we're little fish, but we're all fish nonetheless.
Capitalism is pretty flawed, but at least you pay taxes and buy food instead of killing and being killed in a jungle like chimps do

>>20739851
They give a lot to the arts. The opera and museums live off them. Just it's not generally the headline richest people, who are all new money because they have an undivided share in a booming new company, it's old money.

People underestimate old money. Yeah, Musk has the most networth, but that's because he's first gen and hasn't split his wealth between 6 kids and then to 14 grandkids.

Walmart didn't even start to dominate the market until the early 2000s when KMart was still number one. But by the mid-2000s the Walton's many hiers were taking up several of the top richest people in the world's spot.

Your old money wealth from Standard Oil is diluted, and some members on the outs have fucked up, but now you're talking about 100+ descendents all with hundreds of millions of even still billions.

Once you get several million you just sit back and let connected money managers insider trade and you never lose. That's why you have kids making $200 million by their fifth birthday.

Old money only gets fucked during times of major war, when the tax man comes for everyone hard, or in times of revolt when they end up strung up on the gallows at best, watching their wives and daughters gang raped as they're tortured to death at worst. It happened to plenty of lords with castles and knights, so it's not like today's rich are that secure either. That's why they get jets.

>>20739824
>They have the vision and owned the risk. You profit off of what they built. And your profit accurately reflects the lack of risk on your end.
That's bullshit. Bezos and all them have access to capital that you will never have. Amazon wasn't profitable for 14 fucking years. Would anyone bankroll your venture for 14 fucking years until you became profitable? Probably not.

It's a giant fucking club and you ain't in it.

I'll be honest, I grinded my ass off and networked a lot, which I don't like early on. I stayed late and volunteered for extra jobs. I ended up making it to deputy city manager by 29, when every department head was over 50. It's public sector, so not huge money, but a bit under $200k a year when I started and pensionable, so I can make 75% of my final salary when I retire at 60 if I stay.

But I honestly do less work as executive management than I did before. I have to be in meetings all the time and make tough decisions or fire people/deny them promotions, but that really isn't a huge toll. My experience is that like 30% of people do 90% of the work in large organizations and that the amount of work they do has little to do with pay or title. I've worked federal too and interacted with big companies quite a bit. It's a common thing to have a deputy who really runs some big department, or even an executive assistant who is doing most of their bosses work.

Pay is pretty disconnected from effort. I worked harder when I made half as much.

>>20741273
>I can make 75% of my final salary when I retire at 60 if I stay
When people say "Welfare state" or "Socialist Spending Programs" as what is wasting tax dollars, just remember that all these clowns get paid just for doing a job decades ago and they are still getting paid for it.

>>20741237
The real problem is the nouveau rich, especially the tech bros, that have no real interests besides le science, video games and marvel movies.

>>20740978
Amazon's a bigger book store than anything in the past

>>20739654
I hope he sinks and drowns

>>20739654
back2pol

>>20739654
Have you tried using violence

>Marx was right because some people have more money than I do

Yikes.

>>20739654
My solution is that once a company gets big enough (say $1 Billion net worth), it gets nationalized. The owners get an award and pension and then the workers take over the business.

>>20741084
The bookstore? It’s available anywhere. Are you in a third world country?

>>20741459
If the workers take over the business then it's a workers' coop, not nationalized

>>20741507
Okay fine, worker's co-op. You know what I mean.
Here's how I would implement it
1. Start business
2. Hire people
3. Once 5+ people are hired, you must create union
4. As new people are hired, they all join union
5. Union makes sure you are being fair and whatnot, keeps an eye on the business
6. Once business gets big enough, union takes ownership and control. You and any other owners get an award for innovation/commerce/etc from the government.

Seems win-win. It harnesses the creative power of capitalism (which even Marx pointed out), while building up the productive forces and eventually giving the proletariat control

>>20741297
My pension is actually funded unlike your Social Security. I also have to put in like $22,000 a year into it.

>>20741529
what if I don't want to join a smelly union?

>>20740409
Amazon is a listed company. If it's so good being an owner and doing nothing, buy some Amazon shares.

>>20741084
libgen

>>20741529
All that means is any valuable or innovative start-up would go to a non-commie country.

>>20739654
Well, why didn't you create Amazon?

>>20739654
Its only justifiable with a slave morality affirming ideology or if all viable alternatives would be worse.

>>20741568
That's great anon

>>20741297
envy is a bad look