/lit/ - Literature

There's so much writing in /wg/, I think my head's gonna explode!

>>20731214
I'm glad you went through the effort to create this, but "Son Of The Sun" is misspelled on the right side.

>>20731221
Here I fixed it.

>>20731203
Happy birthday Akarin :)

>>20731247
Finally. I looked at the archives between July 2020 when /wg/ started and September when that book released and didn't see a single mention of the writing as alleged. Schizo was making shit up as usual.

Can someone explain why thread generals are almosr always made by anime posters? It does nt matter if it's/lit/ or /sci/ or /g/ (the first two having very little anime). Is there a correlation between the amount of autism it requires to make general after general 24/7 and watching anime?

(Last repost). random excerpt from my forthcoming novel based on a cross-country bicycle ride I did with my friends a few years ago. It's about masculinity and mental health, mostly:

At every roadside piss break, Emile jumps on the opportunity to ask me about school, and I pull out everything I can to avert the subject: this heat, this wind, these drivers, these damn birds, the dust in the air, how often we’ve got to spit just to clear our mouths, the neverending freight trains, the Calgary stampede and what it costs and whether it’s overrated, the forest fires we’ve been having lately, the conservative bumper stickers, the cows grazing, the Toronto Raptors, the Montréal Canadiens, the little bodies of water here and there and how one day they will be gone. Anything to take the analytical weight of my mistakes off myself and onto something innocent.


The latter half of the day is spent chasing Ben and Emile, who pull far enough ahead that I'm left to stew in my own anxiety. Passing a billboard of a waterpark resort, with children pictured splashing in the pool, reminds me of how differently I felt only hours ago, feeling joy and freedom upon hearing children playing in the park, and that the tension and unease felt in the present are the consequences of a single line of questioning that exploits a subject about which I feel inexplicably ashamed. The next moments are spent acknowledging this shame as shame without shaming the acknowledgement itself, but I’m unsure whether it's of any use.


I gain on them, eventually crawling up close enough to catch sight of the eagle feather dangling above Ben's rear tire. I had forgotten it was there. It’s wedged in good by the looks of it, tucked inside his rack and pinned between his fender and tent bag. It seems so precariously placed that it should’ve flown away by now.


Already the topography is drying out; the lush prairie fields are thinning into a rocky yellow grassland topped by grain farms and gutted hamlets.


I make the conscious decision to think the best of tonight. “Think positively,” I think, negatively, to myself. I had read about the psychological benefits of deliberate positive thinking before; Kid Cudi said it had changed his life. But I’ve always been skeptical of anything so seemingly simple; such a complex world deserved only complex solutions, so I thought. Without a reason for doing so, I repeat the mantra, “Think positively,” with less self-reproach each time, reminding myself that maintaining optimism and withholding self-judgment, no matter how contrived, is the only answer for helplessness, and that helplessness is only a learned despair. Rather than where I’ve been, I think about who I’m with, where I am, and where I’m going, and it feels like the only real good thing within my scope of action. I commit to this action and take my pledge like a pill, then pedal on; letting the time pass, anxiously, skeptically, as if waiting for drugs to kick in.

Am I dead yet? Dunno.

>>20731271
Maybe because they are happy-go-lucky or frequently on the computer with their anime things. I stopped watching anime a long time ago but I think anime posters are cute. I try to make some of the threads at odd times but I also have work and by the time I get home I have to write.

>>20731294
>(Last repost)
Like the last time you're going to do it or a recap of the last time you reposted it?

The fuck do you guys use to write? Should I just go paper and pencil?

>Write 2,500 words
>Lost.jpeg
>"I'll just start from the beginning"
>Ad infinium

>>20731389
Wordpad, but I also have a notebook and pen when I'm away from home.

How do I stop myself from using long, multiple clause sentences? Every time I write, I end up almost exclusively using complex multiple clause sentences, the kind that only needs two to form a paragraph for any word processor commonly used.

How do I use simpler yet more meaningful sentences to cut down on the amount of words I use?

>>20731203
miniMAG- because someone has to post writing in /wg/

>>20731450

Tips on naturalistic dialogue?

>>20731452
>>20731294
it's cool, why this excerpt? I'd love to see some dialogue between the characters

>>20731456
>>20731435
try writing a short piece from the point of view of a moron.

it'll help you get into a new rhythm

>>20731463

>>20731465

>>20731466

>>20731389
Assuming you're not a phoneposter, you can use LibreOffice Writer.
Personally, I write in a text editor using Markdown format, then use pandoc to convert it to LibreOffice format.

>>20731471
>>20731453
shits hard

sometimes it doesn't have to be naturalistic though

you can make people into absurd caricatures

>>20731483

>>20731247
You could double this list if you add the other F Gardner books. Also “The Shitkickers.”

>>20731450
Consider posting these as an album on imgur or something.

>>20731488

>>20731491

>>20731489
One per author is more than enough.

>>20731494

>>20731496
One cover per author, but also a count of how many books they have out.

Konfusion of da highest orda!

>>20731501
>>20731490
i'll give it a look

might save me some effort

>>20731505
minimagsubmissions@gmail.com

How can I write good dialogue for my game? I have well defined characters and I've been writing, sometimes I feel random background characters have more window to work with so I don't fuck up things if I lean too much into something.

Transgenda!

>>20731389
I get best results when using pen on paper. Then I use a markdown based app. I got highland 2 for mac and its preddygud.
I recommend pen and paper and markdown.

>>20731435
Read more authors that can make short sentences. Hemingway and Faulkner can do some great short sentences but the latter also does wild paragraph long sentences like I showed last thread. You need to see the beauty in restraint and implication that a simple sentence can bring.
It's part of your style if you like the long sentences but in general I would work your way up to the mammoth complex sentences and have smaller complex sentences, compound and simple.
What is nice about writing complex sentences is that you have a lot more freedom to arrange it. However, there is a breathless effect to it and if you're not careful you will confuse the reader. Simple sentences. sentence fragments or even single words are at your disposal. While there is less freedom with simple sentences they can have great impact because all the words are right there and there's a full stop to let the thought linger. Keep in mind that if you use too many simple sentences in a row it can get monotonous for the reader especially if they are composed similarly (e.g. same number of syllables or general flow of it).

>>20731535
"good dialogue" is a code word for "amusing character"

>>20731502
The image isn't meant to be a heavy-handed shill, but a taste of what's available.

Is General Mosquito Spray still dead yet or what?

Well read my story then fuck face

Search "Nursing Dick" on smashwords

>>20731557
Yeah but I cant write in a literary sense, if anything Im basing my shit around theatre and movies, I stopped giving a fuck about books tb h.

>>20731574
Have you considered reading a bunch of Shakespear and Monty Python sketches?

Fuk's sake

>>20731579
No, why should I? It's dialogue foused and short, right. Just the answer to the formula then.

>>20731535
Just don't turn the game into something like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDit1WO12fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ez_i2OfznQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6qH48bslA

>>20731624
Shit man, my inspirations are real vague movies with odd dialogue tb h, Hard to be a god comes to mind.
If I don't stick the landing most characters will sound like legitimate schizophrenics.

/wg/, i've gotten into the habit of telling myself "i can't write as well or as much as i used to" so often that it's feeding back into itself. how do I break the cycle

Nothing better than bad CGI!

>>20731636
your past self was overrated

>>20731671
that makes me feel worse, not better

>>20731489
>>20731502
Or I could just not do that.

>no money to buy a cover
>falling for editing scams
>nobody gives a shit about my writing
>not even my mom cares enough
>2000 followers on twitter
>0 retweets or likes
>youtube channel hasn't taken off
>nobody ever comments on my writing on /wg/ or reddit
>discord writing has no help
I think I'm going to give up /wg/

>>20731793
I'll make you a cover. I'm desperately avoiding writing.

>>20731793
If you're writing to achieve some sort of result, you'll be miserable.
Write because you can't help but write, because it's in your blood.
Too many people here are wrapped up in famous authors like Dean Koontz buying a new mansion for $11 million.
I assure you that writing is such a part of him that he can hardly stop himself from doing it.

>>20731819
it's too bad that the part of me that suffers when I don't have a creative outlet can also be quieted with cheeseburgers and anime

>>20731636
It takes time to develop a critical eye for your own work. How long have you been writing? I'm just now getting to the point where I can read something I wrote 3-14 days ago and tell if I was overwriting it or not.
The best way to break the cycle of self doubt, I've found, is to write something you just find fun or silly. One time I was really down in the dumps so I let the whole stream of consciousness thing dump the major emotions out and ended up writing a story about a man who gets his foot stuck in a puddle for 18 years.

There was a scuffle board The Commodore, the rumble of boots of sailors and minutemen bringing rations, packaged meat, and supply wood through the poop deck and into the various poop decks. Deliberating about pay and jockeying for status, singing songs in unious chant. Behind and above this commotion, Captain Freremont, distinguished against the rest not only by his red frock and tricorne, but his angular facial dynamics and long curly hair, stood at the captain's wheel. From his coat, he produced a golden locket and gingerly opened it, something inside casting a light of gold upon his face. Quickly he closed it, inspected his surroundings and sighed, placing it back in his pocket. It would be a long road yet to go.

Same faggot from last thread with the same question; how do around creative slumps and writers blocks? I'm still stuck and my 'least likely thing to happen next' idea hasn't come up with anything. I'm still getting some writing done - outlining imagery I want to use and such - but I don't know how to move the plot forward.

>>20731867
Research.
Read some nonfiction about the subjects you're trying to develop.

>>20731368
last time I'm gonna do it

>>20731389
GDocs since it prevents me from ever losing my writing if I forget to save or experience a crash. Even losing 30 secods of writing due to NS autosave not catching it, that would torment me.

My goal is to create the single biggest and most awe-inspiring menace in fictional history. The kind of character who puts the fear of God into the reader. I need to know if this alone is shocking and "Oh god" inducing enough
Exhibit a A: Killing an entire warrior culture civilization
>Decapitates messenger who sent a party invitation to him. Delivers the head to their leader's palace personally.
>Proceeds to wordlessly beat the shit out of hundreds of them at once bare-handed. And he wasn't taking them out in large swaths, he was personally killing every last one. While they were all attacking him at once
>Some of the strongest warriors there try to stop him, and start using special abilities on him. He then uses his own abilities and still kicks their asses
>Continues his path of destruction for literal months and commits several warcrimes, including using children as projectiles. When the king himself, who is the strongest sonuvabitch in their culture, challenges him, he's positively giddy. The king's daughters try to kill him themselves rather than potentially lose their beloved father, but this guy just starts whooping them, leaves mid-fight to grab a pillow, and then just takes a nap. He then wakes up and attacks the King the moment he arrives.
>Actually has a real fight with the king, creating the Marianas trench in the process. He actually beats the King, but instead of killing, him he just throws him into the new trench they created. That's his idea of respect.
>The elder daughter, still recovering from her wounds, encounters and falls in love with an arrogant young warrior who is nontheless very strong. Not as strong as her father, but their combined powers should be able to defeat this guy. They end up actually pulling it off and trap him in what would eventually become a salt flat
And that's just before the actual story starts.180 million years ago.
It gets much worse after this.

>>20731947
I actually stopped using google docs specifically because of this

but that might only be an issue cause i'm connecting from deep within the Orient

It's impossible to find an audience for non-genre fiction.

>>20731966
Jonathan Franzen manages to.

>>20731950
condense this into one bigass scene and have it be the prologue. Massacring the party should be representative of the acts of terror he's committed throughout the galaxy; rather than trying to list off each and every bad guy thing the bad guy has ever done

>>20731977
>bigass
No blacks please

>>20731977
That's not right. True fucking menaces make it very personal

>>20731991
setting: Space Wakanda

now your book is marketable

you're welcome

>>20731977
I wanted to see if I could make a morally awful character who the audience wants to see die. But when that finally happens, it's horrific and depressing because of the context it happens in.
Basically, he seemingly kills our main character, only for him to revive much more powerful a couple of days later... As ruthless husk of his former self, mutated by rage and completely bent on revenge. Basically, our protagonist literally sacrifices his character development and reverts to a near-mindless animal in order to kill the antagonist. Violently, I might add. He literally pins him to the ground, smashes through his ribs, and explodes the fucker's head into a shower of blood by firing his primary attack right into his mouth. This takes a while to undo, as our cast tries to provoke any response out of the guy, who is now "Done" and is therefore comatose.
Thought it'd be interesting.

>>20732027
>setting: Space Wakanda
Yeah you guys are staying.

>>20731950
This guy is who I think of whenever anyone talks about awe-inspiring menaces:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhNCbGDE4GI
https://youtu.be/KL1DC-jEIaA?t=1892
It's even reflected in the gameplay because he's a one-man army who can easily kick the ass out of your groups.

>>20731715
your past self wasn't as good as you think

>>20732086
That's what I need.

>>20732090
I hope that helps, also this man was responsible for massacring an entire brigade of youths at the beginning of the story and pinning the blame on the other side because he wanted war and didn't want peace talks between his kingdom and the alliance. Menaces aren't just about spectacles, try thinking of whether your character has a specific emotion or motivation that truly makes them fearsome.

>>20732121
He does it because, well, it's a long story. Involves a lot of dead dinosaurs

>>20732255
You might want to work on that, getting people to be scared of a character needs quite a bit of finesse.

>>20732278
Not even scared, but just outright shocked and in borderline awe at how fucking audacious he is.

>>20732283
You're going to need to work on that too. Honestly I just cringed.

>>20731271
This is the first Anime op in a while.
>>20731535
Learn from the best. Pwa.

>>20732283
That's the thing though, what your character needs is charisma and so far what you've told us sounds more like edge.

Day 43 editing
Chapter 52 clipperoonied
Switching POV's is hard

Day 43 editing
Chapter 52 clipperoonied
Switching POV's is hard

Day 43 editing
Chapter 52 clippo'd
Is more then three POV's really a bad thing?

We're back.

>>20732389
>>20732391
>>20732405
i apologize for archaic inter webs surveillance exacerbating my autism.
Now its too old and cannot delete...

>>20731950
You know, there's a point where attempts to seem extreme get so absurd it's just silly and impossible for anyone to take seriously.

>>20731389
I use pencil and paper, and then transfer the writing over to google Docs.

>>20731950
How are you going to overcome multiversal level menaces?

I wrote my first draft quite quickly, with my internal editor mostly shut as I was merely writing the story through. Now that, after some weeks of keeping my distance to the work, I came back to do a read through making notes, I can see there is so much cringeworthy stuff here, and noticing it I tell myself, good job. Not because I have written cringe, but because I notice cringe for what it is. There are so many people who self-publish (I will never self-publish, even if I am never accepted for trad-pub) and they could never tell if their works were cringe.

>>20732740
Give us an example of your cringe.

>>20732430
I forgive you

>>20732756
Need I prove some of my writing is hot garbage? I'd rather not post any unedited text.

>>20732768
Because it would be entertaining. You know, that thing you're attempting to do with your writing?
You don't need to be so insecure.

>>20732771
I don't post parts of by book online.

>>20732779
That just tells me you have no confidence in what you've written.

>>20732779
I have not come here to look for approval, and nevertheless, it is not the failures that we write but the great works that we want others to read. It is not a matter of confidence whether I post stuff from my book online, it was a matter of remaining anonymous because I plan to have the book traditionally published, and would like not be associated with a basket-weaving forum.

>>20732799
0.0001% of people who come to these threads with aspirations of being an author ever finish their work. An even lower percentage than that are ever recognized outside of our tiny community.
Your idea that you will ever be published speaks to your arrogance and ego. In 2-3 years you'll cringe far harder at your own post here than you did at your draft just now. You'd may as well entertain us on your downward spiral.

>>20732836
Why are you projecting your own insecurities on others?

>>20732027
you reminded me that Afrofuturism is actually a genre, like Sun Ra playing jazz on a spaceship

>>20731838
I like it.

Can you guys give me tips for a screenplay pitch. Here's what I got.

Wade Kubiak is a veteran homicide detective who's only interest is hitting the bottle since his daughter went missing. Apathetic and depressed, he comes across a case which disrupts his cynical beliefs. A social worker connected to a global sex trafficking operation leads Wade through the seedy undergrounds of our society, to those who control it at the top. Struggling to see the good in the world, Wade follows the case no matter where it takes him.

>>20731389
I use google docs. Means if I'm on the bus, at a relatives with my laptop, or at home in the study that I can continue what I was writing. I don't think I could be bothered to write things by hand and then digitise them.

>>20731435
If it's got good rhythm and doesn't bore the reader then why change?

>>20731453
I'm going to start keeping a note on my phone where I write down interesting or funny phrases I overhear, and then use those as inspiration for natural dialogue.

>>20731535
If you have well defined characters then good dialogue should follow pretty easily, shouldn't it?

>>20731793
Why do you expect people to care? I'm not trying to be mean, I'm genuinely asking. What about your book makes you think people *should* care about it? Lean into that if you're trying to market.

>>20731867
If it's that you don't know how to move the plot forward you should just write your characters doing mundane shit until you come up with something. Take your main character and write about them wandering round the house, doing the shopping, whatever. At least you'll be exploring the characters, and who knows, maybe the next plot point will appear to you.

>>20732951
Wade Kubiak is an experienced homicide detective about to lose his job if he can't quit drinking after his daughter went missing X years ago. When he meets a social worker at the lowest levels of a global sex trafficking operation, he may lose his job for entirely different reasons. Struggling with what he might have to do, Wade follows the case of [Org]. Whether he, or his daughter, are saved depends on how deep the rot goes.

>>20731793
>He fell for the self-publish scam

>>20732951
>Wade Kubiak is a veteran homicide detective who's only interest is hitting the bottle since his daughter went missing.
You want your pitch to make your story stand out. Already in your first sentence you just make anyone listening think your whole story is clichéd and boring. Don't start with this sentence.

>>20732951
>Wade follows the case no matter where it takes him.
why does he care more about this case than finding out where his daughter went?

>>20732976
Better language
>>20732981
I agree, but the only other words to describe him are depressed, misanthropic, or cynical. He's kind of a mix of an 80s action movie with more modern "mature" themes like in The Sopranos or True Detective.
>>20732982
He's pretty much accepted that she's dead (which she is. It's revealed later that she was hit by a car riding her bike and the driver buried her in the mountains. The driver sees Wade on TV and turns himself in out of guilt)

>>20733000
>He's kind of a mix of an 80s action movie with more modern "mature" themes like in The Sopranos or True Detective.
Like John McClane mixed with Tony Soprano

>>20732430
lol

>2k words ahead of where I thought I'd be at the end of July and still have days to write more
Victory by August is assured. I'll finish editing and start sending this baby out by September.

>>20731483
this is good advice

this will be a prose poem in the middle of my short story about a gay kid getting murdered by his brother -- the villain is a monolithic ephemeral entity that is never described, seen, or interacted with--only a spinning one-sided monologue where you can barely hear your own thoughts

Thanks to everyone who submitted their manuscript for editing. I'll be busy today and tomorrow with my current project, but feel free to shoot me a message at maat042@yahoo.com

>>20731294
haven't been here in awhile but I remember when you started this your excerpts were pretty bad
this is solid

>>20732590
That's kind of the point.
I'm talking about the kind of shit that CJdachamp would put at the "Round Table"

>>20732836
With the exception of me.
Just got off the phone with a netflix executive.
They are very interested in adapting my emotionally gripping sports drama.
They don't care it is unfinished.
They want it to be their first ever theatrical release.
Thats right, Balls Above the World is coming to the big screen.
I think the rock is going to play Andy. They'll age him down with CGI. And also give him a wig because Andy has a pony tail. He's not bald.

>>20733523
Fuck off Sponge.

Are you still here anon? Are you still working on this kino anon?

Tried a new release schedule for my webnovel and apparently chose the worst timeslot possible (11 am est Monday). Fuck me, I guess.

>>20731203
am reading the "jade wars" trilogy by fonda lee
the elevator pitch is "sopranos meets modern day kungfu movie".
really good characters
my biggest complaint is there's too many coincidences. for example they assasinate someone which goes fine. they stop at the hideaway and a rival gang shows up out of nowhere and almost kills all of them.
has some gay sex scenes
what do you think about about random coincidences that aren't foreshadowed by the author?

>This was instinct. Like my entire body knew I was being hunted, as I lay in that small, dark crevice. Every muscle was tensed up, my eyes were peering as far as they could in as many directions possible, and my breathing was shallow and quiet.. The small spikes on my fingers, elbows, and calves were unsheathed, as if they knew I would be in for a fight.
Whateva

>>20733789
I want you to rewrite this without using the following words:
knew
was
were

>>20731435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0qmkQGqpM8

>>20731453
Read some cormac. People frequently mishear each other and need clarification.

>>20733856
So write it in present tense?

>>20732378
>>20732291
I wanted to create a character who can be described with one phrase
>Hmm, time to assert my dominance

>>20733992
no, keep the same tense
also, I'll preemptively forbid the words "felt" and "feeling"
try this exercise and form your own discerning opinion about how the paragraphs compare.

>>20733142
This reminds me of Decs' insane ramblings, well done. Frankenstein gangster communist radio control!
>>20732972
That's a very good idea anon, since I'm trying to establish a character as someone worth missing if they're gone.

>>20733535
You sit around waiting for me every day.
That's okay.
I love you too, bitch.

>>20733789
>Hunted. My entire body knew it. Instinct driven, every muscle tensed, eyes swivelled wild in every direction, breath came shallow and quiet.
More instinct, reactionary this time, the unsheathing: spikes from the tips of my fingers, corners of my elbows and the gnarl of gristle on the inside of my calves. The same instinct that made of me a fearful thing had transformed me into a weapon.

For instance.

>>20734360
You were waiting on the edge of your seat for 4chan to come back online so you could shit up this thread Sponge. Buy some rope.

>>20734372
Nothing is better than 4chanx's force anonymize feature.

Trying to dial in my cover after a few anons gave tips.

How does this look, guys?

>>20734419
Definitely an improvement

>>20734419
I think it's better, the title is more clear, and the face isn't obscured.
I also thought the original looked pretty good.

>>20734452
It had its issues. The guy I commissioned basically handed me the individual pieces and left me to my own devices. I had to learn to use gimp, etc. I kinda skipped the theory part.

>>20734419
looks great
i'm not enthusiastic about the homemade looking font

>>20734372
Was it offline? I had no idea.
>>20734387
Samefag.

Stop being so transparent, Rape-chan.

>>20734419
That's pretty good, did you make that?

>>20734471
What a prick. Hope you didn't pay that guy a dime more than his pictures were worth.

>>20734481
Did you know you have to pay for the right to use most fonts in a commercial product? Licenses for a single use can range from 40-150$ depending on the font. If I were to use it for both my paperback and ebook I would need 2 licenses.

>>20734511
Comissioned the art from a guy I follow on insta. Had to put the pieces together but he is the superstar behind the painting.

>>20734519
It was a choice. I've seen the book covers he makes from scratch and they aren't that impressive. I took the option to piece it together myself and pay less.

I'm trying to write something Avante Garde.
It's not exactly prose heavy, and chapter 2 definitely gets too dialogue heavy, but I want to hear what you guys think so far. I came up with the idea late at night.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18r5FDZ0eQDKwLIA7RKSLWMFCxCrc21GhtVtw2_7Qugw/edit?usp=sharing

>>20734504
Yeah bro I'm sure it's just a coincidence you were the first person to post after it came back up. You're pathetic.

>>20734419
Overall like it as well, the title should be like 20% bolder/larger to something for clarity IMHO

>>20734533
Made it about 2 paragraphs in - didn't hate it but everything felt overly wordy/imprecise with language. Felt like you were avoiding commas but that increased the amount of total words without adding more details.

Also seems to be off to a really slow start like he'd just woken up

What are some good books that are melancholic but still engaging? The only one I can remember that had the right vibe was Snow Falling on Cedars.

>>20733691
Coincidences happen all the time in real life but too much in a novel will seem lazy unless it's part of a theme.

Do I have a chance at tradpub if I redraft my book to contain gratuitous racial diversity and disgusting homosexuality?

Here is my extempore poem made in off quip style

hes all around let me tell you
different thread — every thread
mind your post it might be deleted
if you dont agree with the anime poster
to the janny army he’s enlisted
thats the way of business
i mean
you gotta tread carefully
you never know
when to shitpost
is the janny yet sleeping
all aboard the cringe train hear me out now
many generals ruined but what of it
son let me the eternal lurker tell you
every board was ruined for the start
like lukewarm water it never tastes nice
no it does not
and besides i was never looking for quality
fuck that and all the rest
I just wanted to post my opinion and troll on bakker’s behest
what can i say its not allowed
the eternal anime poster keeps watch all year round
science fiction and fantasy
writing general and let me tell you
in other boards as well
teevee and tabletop what else
how many threads can one autist keep track of
I wonder and shout out his name out
moogy moogy where is the end to it
i wont read reverend insanity
trust me no I wont sir I want have it
water does not sleep like hell it does
I post it again like I always do
read bakker
you are banned
as usual I cannot appeal
see you in 72 hours

>>20734926
No, unironically, not unless you're a BIPOC/LGBTQAAIPP2+ yourself.

>>20734419
Maybe make the title bigger but looks neat.

>>20734860
Bakemonogatari perhaps? I will be reading the second volume soon.

This has got to be the dumbest question i have asked in 4chan before, but here it goes. (I'm a person who just started reading and writing seriously)

Do you make a concious decision to write short stories or "longer stories"? Like make an effort to keep things short and snappy? =Short Story

Write longer descriptions and fill the chapters more=longer stories?

What's the point where the type of story changes from one to another?

Do you guys "just write" and see where it ends up? Oh, and i understand that a certain consistency of style, size and pacing is what keeps the type locked.

Sorry again for my brain-dead questions

>>20734974
It feels like you're trying too hard to write a post that seems, I don't know, "Bohemian" or"unique". It just comes off as hard to read. Just be more straightforward next time.

Just start writing your story on paper or on a computer. Don't worry about it being perfect. If you have a story you really want to tell, it'll just flow out.

>>20734974
Plotting your story out will tell you how long it needs to be.

>>20734974
I think story length varies on two things. How many threads you are putting in and how much there is to say about them. Flash fiction can only have one thread, and you're in late and out early. Short stories can have 1 or 2, novelettes and novellas maybe 2 or 3 but a novel needs 4. By thread I typically think of the MICE quotient so a short story may be primarily about an idea and the other things like character are surface level. Whether you want to go epic novel is a matter of style but sometimes adventures or multi-generational stories need that great length to see it all because it's digging into the threads as deep as it can, especially if it keeps adding new characters to explore with.
How you define it story is by word count. Flash fiction is under 1000 words, short stories are under 7500, novelettes under 17500, novella's under 40k and novels over 40k but usually 70-90k, epics being 200k+.

>>20735007
English is not my mother language, so hopefully it's just that. And not that i'm just a meta douche :D

>>20734361
Oh

>>20735031
All cooI, wasn't trying to insult. But seriously, just write down shit and don't think about it too much. First drafts are always horrendous. Rewrite later when you finished what you wanted to write.

Is it legal to use an AI-generated book cover?

>>20735110
I don't see why not. People AI generate significant portions of their stories these days. The majority of articles on most websites are AI generated.

>>20735110
well, you're dealing with two owned properties: the training data underlying the AI, and the software itself which produces the image. To be 100% in the clear, the software would have to be open and free AND the training data would all need to be free to use. But in reality, as long as the AI developer says you can use it for commercial products, you can use it.

Can someone critique and improve this for me please? I am trying to write sellable erotica fiction.

Immediately, Nell scooted backwards. her tiny butt cheeks rested on his thick shaft. Dick, in a panic, jerked his hips away from his daughter’s butt crack, replacing their initial intimate contact with his palm upon her stomach. Again, Nell scooted further back and, with her little hand, popped his penis gently in between her warm cheeks.
It wiggled involuntarily.
“Daddy?” Nell whispered.
“What?” He breathed.
“I think there’s a snake in the bed.”
Dick swallowed his laugh, and then remembered that Nell, although now a woman in every physical aspect, had never, to his knowledge, had sex before, for she had never shown any interest in the boys her age after her mother died. His penis twitched; Nell shrieked.
“Daddy! What was that?”
“It’s just my cock. Nothing to worry about.”
“Okay daddy,” Nell said.
Dick hugged her tightly from behind.

>>20735265
Disgusting anon you need help

>>20734974
Yes you know starting out what you’re goin for but once you’ve written the short story you may say to yourself well I know what will happen next and I can see where this would go as a novel. I think if you’re a beginner you should always go for a short story first and start writing with that as the assumption

You guys are going into this with a level head and not an ego, right?
You’re building an audience to succeed at launch, right?

>>20735597
how do i build an audience for my erotica?

>>20735606
Post written porn obviously. This is the easiest audience of all.

Can someone actually read my story and critique it? I wanted to mess with the idea of having a semi- self aware character that seems to have an idea that they're in a story. I don't know how well I executed that or how I can improve it.

>>20734533

>>20732665
I'll think of a way. Like having him punch a 4-D entity or something

>>20735614
but what if your short stories get no clicks, downloads or sales?

>>20731950
just look at history there were some fucking menaces back in the day

>>20735679
Keep going. Stop sucking. I know you’re describing yourself and your own writing. Post writing and your posts.

>>20735698
Smashwords "Nursing Dick" by Jessica Stone

>>20735698
Daddy Fucks Daughter by Jessica Stone

>>20735597
Yes, I'm releasing 19 novels to build an audience for my 20th. When it launches everyone will be talking about how I'm an overnight success.

>>20735679
where are you posting them?

>>20732951
Maybe something that wasn't already done?
https://culturecrypt.com/movie-reviews/the-silencing-2020

>>20732837
Because that's the M.O. of demotivational failed-crabs and seething schizo pseuds.

No one here writes, because no one here reads anything posted.

>>20735727
Made me laugh, thank you anon.
No one sees the work we do before we’re famous. They only focus on where we are. Took me ages to get 20k instagram followers.

>write 150 pages of content
>realise in hindsight that there is no character arc behind it, no moral to the story, nothing
>instantly consider the time completely wasted and the work near-worthless
death upon me soon, hopefully

>>20735777
>What are tropes

>>20735898
You didn't fail. You just found out how not to write a story, and you grew over 150 pages of sincere effort. Chin up there, old bean. You're gonna make it.

>>20735898
Why? Writing can be entertaining without any of that.

>>20735898
Did you not listen to brando sandos lectures?

>>20735748
smashwords.

Look up nursing dick by jessica stone on smashwords

>>20735957
I didn't, give me the basic gestalt on the entirety of them.

>>20735898
Similar situation, I finished a first draft of a crime novella before I realized that it wouldn't be satisfying to have the protagonist find the criminal by accident while going after a red herring suspect. Instead of fixing that I decided to expand it into a full novel by adding a second half with another crime where he learns how to be an actual detective.

>>20735975
Make a third half where he finds out the red herring was actually the mastermind behind both of the first crimes and it all comes together.

>>20735898
I did the same thing...

>>20735692
All I can think of is Vlad the Impaler.

>>20735971
Lol, no. Go watch the 8-10 hours of them online. It’s super fun to listen to.

It is amazing that in a world as populous as ours that some people still suffer from loneliness. It seems that we are doomed to always isolate ourselves from each other, no matter what.

>>20736051
> I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. I hate most people.

>>20736051
I just watched a video of taylor swift giving a graduation speech and it made me feel bitter and angry and lonely because she has it all and is pretty and is nice and here i am everything she isn't

>>20736063
She's also not much of a writer, so, who gives a shit what she does with her time

>>20736051
Ironically a break up is what has motivated me to finally get serious with my writing
The passion has always been here but the talent has not
I don't want to sell myself to a man with money who I don't find attractive and I have a disability that would make college difficult
So my only option to obtain the wealth and status I want is to finally focus on my career and nothing and no one else
Long has it been my dream to one day see my characters and stories on television and now is the time to bring that to fruition
When I've made it, I'll see where he is and maybe we'll have both grown up enough to be together properly
Society has failed our generation
Men and women both are unhappy being scattered away from our natural niches in life by this industrial society that thrives on narcissism
The best we can do is to love ourselves in a healthy way, to treat ourselves the way we would treat a partner

>>20736063
Taylor Swift has probably sucked a mile of jewish chode dick too so a least there's that.

Where's the discord link to a /wg/ server or a /lit/ server

Blame the publishers who won't read your work without an agent, blame the literary agents who won't read your work without being a minority or having some sort of expertise in something, blame who ever you want. But the fact of the matter is NOBODY will read your work unless you're somebody or have an audience already. And you guys are exactly the same too. You don't even read the shit that gets posted here and still act like it's everyone elses fault.

>>20736141
Yeah, all if this shit is fake and riddled with excuses. Go self publish, no one cares about trad scams.

>>20736141
Is that The Long Goodbye? And no shit I just come her for free insight to MY works. Why would I waste time reading other peoples garbage

>>20736170
Exactly faggot, EVERYBODY wants free insight on their own story, but NOBODY reads anybody elses stories. So in turn you get a dump where the only thing anyone can agree to discuss is shit completely unrelated and random shit flinging. /wg/ is fucking dogshit.

How much of this thread is actually discussing the mechanics of writing or anything that isn't asinine bullshit? Someone above is talking about how mad jealous they are of taylor swift. Literally what even?

>>20735959
Are you trying to out-shill Gardner?
He may take offense to that.

>>20736202
Joke's on you, I've yet to post any story and read/review some of the stories here.

>>20736202
I got insight on this post >>20732951

>>20736202
>>20736217
And maybe people should have reasonable requests. Asking me to read 16 pages for free is dumb.

>>20736222
>27
Well then asshole read this

smashwords.

Look up nursing dick by jessica stone on smashwords

and tell me I dont deserve a publishing deal

What's something you just like doing with your story? Personally, it's taking abilities or skills that sound really minor or useless and show how dangerous or useful they are when used correctly.
Such as the protagonist having amazing lower body strength and flexibility, which sounds kind of useless or stupid in comparison to his other powers. That's what you'd say until he literally kicks someone's jaw off from an angle that is normally impossible.

>>20736222
And maybe it should occur to people too that we have our own preferences. I'm not going to review a piece if I'm not interested in the content because that would just be unfair.

>>20736234
Coming up with character and location histories. I loved reading signboards as a kid, and that along with my fascination with fantasy is probably why I enjoy thinking of how even the most minor of my characters might have founded an order that lasts until the present time or they could have had a village named after them.

>>20736234
>What's something you just like doing with your story? Personally, it's taking abilities or skills that sound really minor or useless and show how dangerous or useful they are when used correctly.
>Such as the protagonist having amazing lower body strength and flexibility, which sounds kind of useless or stupid in comparison to his other powers. That's what you'd say until he literally kicks someone's jaw off from an angle that is normally impossible.

And idk. I like redemption arcs where evil and/or nihilistic characters "see the light" so to speak

>>20736246
I like fights

>>20736202
One person read about two paragraphs on my story and gave me feedback. It didn't even touch the actual content of the story, which is kind of sad considering it was only two short chapters

>>20733181
Today's client was very pleased. Your manuscript has a lot of potential. Keep in touch

>>20736202
You know, this particular general has an option to discuss the published works critically.

I don't think anyone is going to do it, but it's an option.

>>20736246
Are you writing comic books?
I'm more about subtle misdirection...I appear to describe something accurately and unambiguously, then gently describe it differently, completely consistent with what happened before, but showing it in a new light that reveals the situation is quite different.
I never get tired of that.
I'll never achieve what Philip K. Dick did in "Ubik", but I can try.

>>20736284
Screenplays. I've never been a big book guy although film is an intellectually inferior medium

>>20736285
I wonder whether your more likely to get published at this point writing for film and tv rather than books

>>20736312
I'm shooting for writing books and selling the TV/movie rights to them.
That's where the real money is.
Philip K. Dick (my favorite writer) wrote 44 novels and 125 short stories in his life, but struggled the whole time.
He didn't see real money until he sold the rights for the movie that would become "Blade Runner".

>>20734533
Nothing avantgarde about it, reads like an average light novel. The plot is fine enough for this type of media.

>>20736335
>He didn't see real money until he sold the rights for the movie that would become "Blade Runner".
And ironically the movie is nothing like the book

>>20736335
>I'm shooting for writing books and selling the TV/movie rights to them.
>That's where the real money is.
Does that work if the book doesn't sell? I have a novella that was originally a screenplay idea but I wrote as a novella instead.

How do I improve my prose?

Dick scrambled for his boxers, and he hurriedly put them on as he sat up on the bed. His daughter's hand traced the rough edges of his masculine frame with her small, delicate fingers, and she propped herself up on her elbow, watching the man she loved leave her again.
“Where are you going daddy?” Nell asked.
“I’m going to get you a contraceptive pill from the shop; hopefully they’re open at this time.” He replied, wiping the excess cum from his leaking penis, and the marshy patches of sweat from his brow.
“At this time?” Nell said, glancing at her alarm clock in the corner, “it’s 3 am.”
“Oh damn,” Her father cursed.
“You can get one in the morning,” Nell said.
“I need to use the bathroom,” Dick stuttered.
Nell heard the door soon shut, leaving her alone in a pool of sweat and cum-stained sheets; she laid there exhausted and closed her eyes, but her twitching pussy kept her awake.
In the bathroom, Dick glared at himself in the mirror; he berated himself for being so careless, and he wondered what his wife would have said if she was still alive - what she would have thought of their own daughter not only losing her virginity to her father but also being potentially impregnated by him. He grimaced at the thought and turned on the tap to wash his hands.
Suddenly, the bathroom door opened from behind him, but he refused to face her.
Nell was shaking, and naked, and said, “Are you coming back to bed?”
Dick continued to wash his hands, reflecting upon what had happened between them, growing more angry with each passing thought.
“Daddy, Did I do something wrong?” Nell asked.
Her father scowled. “Why won’t you leave me alone?” he shouted, clenching his whitening fists in the sink, and letting the water splash all over him.
“What did I do wrong?” Nell started to bawl, leaning against the edge of the bathtub.
Dick kept the tap running as he dried his hands with a towel; he stood facing the wall away from Nell in silence, staring at himself in the reflective tiles.
After a minute, the young brunette sulked and quietly left the bathroom, stopping once to look back at her raging father, before closing the door behind her.
A slither of guilt swirled around his stomach, and he wondered whether he had made the right choice in admonishing her for their sexual feelings for each other, in order that they both may avoid crossing that boundary in the future. Regardless, he had to be alone, and thus he crept to the lounge once the coast was clear, for he thought things through best when sat up in a chair, and not led down in a bed.

>>20736349
The book has four major plot lines.
The movie only covers one of them.
Not sure what you're complaining about.

>>20736354
By not trying to pose as extreme.
Extreme has been done to death. It's boring.
Being honest, decent, and hard-working is the only way to shock people anymore.

>see this post in a fb group I'm in about a "writers retreat"
>winners basically get a free vacation to write
>it's just for women to "give them time and space for creativity" because "women's voices are important"
Is this a joke

>>20736259
The Third Edict? I'm the one who gave you feedback and it was plenty for where you are. Your descriptive language is clumsy and repetitive, the opening was very slow. That is A LOT to work on. I can't go through and mark up/rewrite every line for every person that shits out a short story, posts it here, and then promptly forgets it exists and never returns to this thread again. So take my suggestions, thank me for wasting my time on you, and think through the writing style of the piece.

Just to make sure I wasn't jumping the gun I went and skipped to the 2nd chapter intro and first thing I read was this beauty of a line:
>A few weeks later, Marc was sitting on a bench on the school rooftop. The school rooftop was barren, except for a small bench.

Lines like this shouldn't pass even a preliminary edit, much less be something readers are subjected to so that they have the HONOR of analyzing the plot of your 2k word draft. And no, I don't give a fuck about your innovative anime schoolgirl plot. Your level of prose does not warrant my deep analysis yet, in two paragraphs I knew your writing level and you very much need to study writing craft.

>>20736388
>must be clotblood
It's not a joke, it's a deathcamp for jokes. In my opinion if you can't write despite a fulltime job you're just a wannabe.

>>20735971
No you impatient child, they’re free and they’re denser than your mom. You can’t summarize them in any meaningful way, just watch / listen to them. They’re all on YouTube and they’re super helpful, all Brando jokes aside.

If you’re not willing to listen to successful writers teach the craft, you don’t get to complain that your writing sucks and no one wants to read it.

>>20736406
>women must be given time and space to write because they can't manage to otherwise
>need a hugbox to lift each other up
It's actually insulting if you think about it
>>20736415
I like you anon.
I can tell your posts by your voice and you're always firm but fair with no tolerance for bullshit.
I would be interested in reading your stuff.

>>20736444
No one tell them about all the women who succeded without needing a hugbox.

>>20736451
There aren't any.

>>20736462
I'm working on it

>>20736444
>need a hugbox to lift each other up
That's funny. If you think we're crabs, wait until you see how women writing groups treat each other.

>>20736522
I don't need to imagine it bro, I've roleplayed before and they have entire communities dedicated to being crabs and ripping each other apart.

>>20736528
They could save a lot of time and money by just coming here to /wg/ .

>>20736548
If I had to be honest, you guys are nice compared to some of those bitches.

>>20736462
have sex
>>20736451
this
>>20736444
>It's actually insulting if you think about it
this and numerals
it's similar to how i feel about books that blatantly pander to women, like these cottage-core chicks who are obsessed with books and get a hot rich guy interested in them (bella from twilight), the stronk wammenz katniss everdeen shit that is constantly pushed, or the endless family-saga chick lit trying to call itself historical. I'm sure there are a large number of women who find it insulting but have no avenue to discuss that they find it insulting, because they either fear reciprocation/censorship or are simply turned off and look elsewhere for entertainment. it feels like literary trends are decided on by a handful of ivy tower types existing in a bubble with each other separated from mainstream consumers. thus the readership gets lesser and lesser every year because normal people are tired of it, while a small core audience is in the same bubble as the gatekeepers, and it's a death spiral to a dying industry. same thing that strangled comics then hollywood to death. normal people are not being taken into consideration and have no voice. only a small subset of rabid fanatics decides on what everyone gets to read. and more people are shutting the door and walking away. at some level women have to be hating this crap which is why they're turning to anime and k-dramas.

the other half is how writing education is presented. it's all about feels and validation, not study and hard work. virtuosos create work people want. different media go through golden ages (music, theater, film, and types of literature all had their heydays). but writing has been turned instead of craft into cheapskate therapy or women's arts and crafts hour where every karen and betsy is told she's just as good as everyone else. they're just grifters with all these "workshops" and "writing retreats". no one serious or good is being produced by these; the crowd they draw are bored normie retards who are doing with writing what children do with play-dough. shit like nanowrimo is the same shit, encouraging every fuckwit to pick up a guitar. imagine if bach was trying to put on a performance and outside the opera house every jenny two-shoes and william nobody was discussing their recent musical production and trying to present themselves as equal to mozart and bach.

it's cringe. but also destroying literature.

>>20736551
I've never been in a truly woman-dominated environment. What is it like?

>>20736554
I'm fucking you stupid whore mother right now.

>>20736593
Well, it depends on how you manage yourself. I'm prudent enough to never voice out my thoughts on the more prominent ones where they can see it so it wasn't that unpleasant but God save you if you catch their ire for whatever reason (Can be as simple as you dropping a thread, refusing a request to RP something etc. etc.). Anonymous communities do exist there was well where they shit fling and even leak things that they shouldn't or they make up rumors about each other, it was just utterly toxic if you ended up with the bad apples.

>>20736554
Well, it's destroying the current iteration of mainstream literature, at least.
Something has to be there to serve as an alternative.
That may as well be us!

>>20736352
Selling well just means the book has a greater chance of catching the attention of TV/movie people.
It's not strictly necessary, but it helps.

Send help anons, I can't stop commissioning art for my unfinished novel

>>20736609
NTA but I stopped RPing years ago shortly before fandom spaces turned into SJW cesspools
Even more then, sure there was the back stabbing and pettyness but that took on a whole other layer of self righteousness which I absolutely cannot stand
Now everyone has to have a carrd to show they are a Good Person with the Right Politics and sadly it is the mentally ill who have the most time to dedicate to their online identities so the sane people with normal lives get bullied out and silenced

>>20734522
You have to look at the license of the font.
Many are free.

>>20736593
Not him but I worked in an all female workplace a few years ago.

>entirely comprised of cliques that mishmashed a bit
>they'd all talk shit about eachother to me behind eachother's backs, I know they defs did about me too
>team meetings were absolutely meaningless shitfests where people just complained about a problem then started gossiping and no resolutions were found by the time it ended, no leadership to give meetings direction
>incredibly over-involved in the emotions of the job somehow like way overreacting to things and not maintaining professionalism

Do you guys have a respect for Pulp Fiction literature? Be honest.

>>20736633
Same as me then, I eventually stopped because most people were far too engrossed in bitching or OOC shipping than actually writing.

>>20736632
i'm coming what is your location

>>20736650
I respect anybody who has the perseverance to write a novel and the humility to want to improve. Jury might be out on the second for a lot of pulp writers but I'm not so cynical to believe that a lot of them don't have it. If you mean the like genre itself then I'm ambivalent on it.

>>20736655
Desert
Don't trip on the carpet

>>20736654
>ooc shipping
I hate that shit so much. Just any general ooc nonsense.
Just make your own original character at that point.
>boy/boy ships are now only permitted to be enjoyed by girls who "identify" as boys otherwise they're homophobic fetishizing fujos
>yaoi syndrome now compelling more girls this ever to get butchered
I hate the state of fandom so much but at least now I have complete focus for my own work rather than fanfic
But sadly now I'm schizo level paranoid of other people and I don't know how I'm ever gonna network with other authors without worry
All these negative experiences have made me really dislike women

>>20736650
DId you intend to capitalize Pulp Fiction? As in the official novelization of the movie?

Or just pulpy fiction? Yeah, it can be a lot of fun.

>>20736670
Looking back, I wonder if those experiences are a part of why I'm hesitant to write now. Still going to make an attempt though my issue now is not knowing how to properly start this story.

>>20736689
So to be clear, you guys think pulp fiction novels are a lot of fun right?

But do you respect people who write the pulps?

>>20736695
To be clear, I respect anyone who can write a good story.

>>20736697
What if they write a good light novel?

>>20736658
my mom said i can't go to desert sorry

>>20736699
Then it would also be good. To create something enjoyable takes skill, so I'd never begrudge someone for being able to craft something solid.

>>20736703
your mom is a butt head

Do you ever have issues imagining how to start a story? I want to write about a mysterious woman walking through a flooded castle but can't envision where should she even begin, or if beginning in medias Res would be a better option.

>>20733361
I thought you wanted to write
>the single biggest and most awe-inspiring menace in fictional history
But your idea is just comedy

>>20736965
Exactly, it's far too over the top to be awe-inspiring.

>>20731950
If you need 'jesus christ how horrifying' energy, there is no peer to Genghis Khan.

Its 2:30 AM, I just wrote 2994 words, I will edit tomorrow since I know I missed some things.
how does this read? I'm a little worried that I may be making it too brutal.
the character is basically being told.
>do a necromancy
but no one really know how to do it since its tied to tribes that kill anyone they find and then turn them into undead.
And the character is from a tribe but was taken as a baby and has no idea other than trial and error stuff. 50 rabbits. and a tree.
I'm going to sleep now, if I accidentally wrote complete gibberish and I just can't tell because of no sleep call be a faggot or whatever.

>>20736999
>how does this read?
Like bullshit.

Day 44 editing
Chapter 54 long but fin
Will my post work today my unintelligent voyeuristic inept's?

>>20735939
thanks anon, you're right. only motivation for me to try to do better next time.

>>20735957
I started episode 1 this morning and am nearly halfway through now, it's a great series and I'm already seeing my design process become easier

As you're writing a first draft, how much do you worry about going back and fixing mistakes? I've written a new chapter and realised that my character hasn't one thought about the events of the last.

>>20737128
>one
*once

>>20737128
I don't make mistakes, but I go back while writing the first draft and add details for cohesion and continuity.
Also have a big note for myself saying "delete chapter 2".

>>20736013
>All I can think of is Vlad the Impaler.
You haven't read much history then.

>>20737139
I've left myself a note, but I think because I'm still writing the chapter that I can fit in the retrospective.

A second question: if you have your character doing actions by themselves - so there is no confusion about who is performing any action - would you always just say 'he/she' did things? How often do you throw in their name again? Once at the start of the paragraph and then just the pronoun?

>>20737157
Once a paragraph sounds about right.

>>20736234
Being SSmaxxed and having great flexibility sounds pretty useful to me. Basically the guy is athletic and it pays off when he performs a feat (or feet, as it's a kick) of athleticism.

I am a huge mark for feigned weakness. Having a character withhold their knowledge, abilities, or nature to other characters while they and the reader know the stakes but the other character doesn't is a great way to create tension.

>>20736354
You're overwording things.

>His daughter's hand traced the rough edges of his masculine frame with her small, delicate fingers, and she propped herself up on her elbow, watching the man she loved leave her again.

He gets dressed, he's in a rush, she holds onto him, knowing that he's leaving. You could convey that in a fraction of the words. Remember the iceberg principle. Exactly what you cut and how it ends up looking is up to you, but something which makes the writing look more amateurish is the focus on inconsequential visual details like
>as he sat up on the bed
>she propped herself up on her elbow
It's just a lot of clutter that gets in the way of the narrative point of the sentence. No one reads erotica to hear about the girl's elbows, you know?

For another small example:

>he stood facing the wall away from Nell in silence, staring at himself in the reflective tiles.

We know he's facing away from Nell because he's facing the wall. We know he's silent because he didn't say anything.

how many of you here are very fluent with grammar? could you automatically identify the class of each word in a sentence?

does it make sense or matter to be able to do these things?
is being able to use this to identify the pattern of a writer a good way to emulate them?

i just never grasped the nuances of english in this regard

>>20737314
It's certainly a useful tool for analysis of a writer's style. I find grammar is less useful for examining literary prose than it is for technical or academic writing. The main advantage as it pertains to your own writing is the ability to make the intended meaning clear without going to the lengths of exhaustively laying it all out in explicit detail.

>>20737342
ty ty.

i'd post a webm of a gif a snapchat babe sent me of her rubbing her pussy but there's sound and it doesn't allow me for some reason so here's this

>>20737360
That's not Homer it's Guy Incognito.

>>20736234
People realizing they've had a misunderstanding for a long time but not one that helps them reconcile, one that makes them hate each other. It's like the best friend betraying you without an actual betrayal because the two were too polite to investigate the nuances of their beliefs.

>tfw a mercenary read my book and rated my violence well

Unrelated but goddamn do I need to update my reaction folder

Make sure to get a platform before you publish a book…
You wouldn’t dig a well when you’re thirsty, make sure it’s at least a year in advance.

>>20737429
"We know it's you, Homer."

>>20737722
How the fuck do you build a platform without having a book first?
We aint all sext tik-tok bitches, you know.

Write like 5 books (that don't suck) then you have years worth of content to go chapter by chapter on royal road or whatever.

>>20737735
Don't respond to the meerkat retard. You should know better than that fake sange.

>be in a Facebook group
>someone asks the question "How do you decide on what story to write if you have too many ideas?"
>reply that eventually only the best ideas stick around and you should only write them
>four other people reply that you should never throw out ideas and should write everything you think of
Either I have too many ideas and these people don't have enough, or I'm better at filtering out shit ideas than they are.

>>20737578
You need to update your attitude

>>20737735
Previously, I had assumed everyone here was a sexy tik-tok bitch.

>>20737735
because you helped me so much with my garbage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/eytom3/the_marketing_genius_of_lil_nas_x/

listen to the song that got him viral fame. it's fucking garbage.
all the credit goes to white people again

fuck my point is, marketing is everything. how you approach life is so diverse and varied that you have to be open to the myriad paths to success

dont be blinded by tradition

>finish a chapter
>go through it and fix typos
>feel absolutely no sense of accomplishment
>start working on the next chapter
Life no longer holds pleasures for me, Hell no longer holds surprises for me. There is only the grind.

>>20737767
be more critical of your work
there should be a sense of righteousness or something when reading your own when when youve done it well

>>20737767
>>20737773
unless you're good wtf do i know.

>as a teenager, couldn't write long stories or plan at all but my prize flowed naturally
>as a 30 year old, every sentence structure is the same
How do I fix this? I'm constantly having to go back and completely rewrite paragraphs because every sentence follows the same structure when I'm in the flow:
>john did X, and then did Y
>mike eyes widened, and he did X
>the room was X, with a touch of Y

>>20737791
read and take notes of sentence structure
go through a few pages of multiple authors you'd like to emulate and do what i asked earlier about grammar being necessary for tasks like this

follow their formats, deconstruct them for why they are effective and create your own framework to continue

>>20737735
I answer the question every time, idk why you keep asking. Post content that gets a following from people in your community. Then release a book. No one is saying to shout from the rooftops you’ll have a book in a year retard.

>>20737805
>Post content that gets a following from people in your community
What community? You mean like my neighbors? The people I work with? What content? Cat videos?

>>20737810
quotes from authors you like that capture the essence of your book without you having to give it a way

instagram ghey.

>>20737803
I already do this but it doesn't affect my natural flow. I can write more complex sentences very deliberately, but I don't enjoy writing that slowly and carefully. I enjoy writing for the period after the first 15 minutes where it just explodes naturally from my mind onto the page.

>>20737827
your stream of consciousness is garbage then you undisciplined midwit

go slow until you can go fast
i have to spell everything out for you do i?

what are you 16

>>20737830
This sounds hard and like it will take a long time.

How's Webnovel.com for self-publishing?

>>20737850
Use it and find out.

>>20737850
Just took a look at the front page and it looks super cringe, but if you have great cover art and know how to grab people's attention, you could flourish there.

>>20737816
>quotes from authors you like
Oh yeaah, that's sure to go viral.
Shut your mouth you dumb bitch.

Look, don't just write one book write multiple books. You don't want to go chapter by chapter? At least do 3 a year that way you have semi regular releases. Talk to your audience on twitter or whatever your preference and if you don't suck at writing and are at least somewhat sociable you'll start to build a platform over time.

This anon don't know what the fuck he is talking about, but yeah, marketing is a thing you will have to do in tandem with writing.

>>20737939
posting pic because spam link filter

>>20737953
the first link is how he blogs about writing, and he blogged about stephen king quotes inspiring good writing

the second link is a compilation of the blog posts he's written on a few sites

>>20737939
it's just content for people who like nuanced and semi-pointless platitudes

cmon guy, ive literally spent the better part of 5 hours doing research
ive got like 40 unique visitors to my crap website EVERYDAY, im hustling

did you read that lil nas x thing

>>20737850
It looks dodgy as fuck.

>>20737976
>>20737953
Alright, I get you.
The main thing I took issue with is saying build a platform before writing your book. You should do both in tandem, and in my "experienced" opinion, the most important thing of all is to have regular releases. There are many different ways to go about it, though, and maybe collecting Stephen King quotes is one of them.

I think like a weekly TV show, people know 8pm Saturday they going to get the next installment of their shit. So, you want your audience doing that for you.

I write my shit up to a year in advance of anyone actually reading it, so I could stop writing today and have weekly releases for an entire year, see?

Now that is all I'm willing to say because I'm seriously scared of getting doxed and most of you bitches probably think I'm full of shit anyway.

>>20731203
I confess that I deceived myself by believing I was You, Lord Jesus Christ. The experience I had in March convinced me that I am You Lord Jesus Christ. It was a terrifying thought because surely Lord I cannot be You! To this day I am still confused, Lord. I ask for guidance. Help me to understand who I am. I want to be honest with You Lord, and I will attempt to talk to You on a daily basis. God, even if I am not You, allow me to live like You, and if it turns out I am You, well then it was true all along!

>>20738019
fucking trip.

>>20737850
>>20737921
What the fuck is up with those names.
>My Negromancy System
???? Do these people have zero creativity, or am I missing something?

>>20738019
>tfw P*rateAba
Keks aside, you're absolutely right, building a big backlog is probably THE most important thing to do when it comes to serialized works. Too bad even if my shit is golden I write at a glacial fucking pace and get stuck in editing hell. Swear to god I've rewritten my opening chapter at least eight times.

why did nobody tell me this shit was so hard

>>20738097
They seem to all be Chinese. I haven't read any of the text yet, but judging by the titles they might be crudely botted into English.

>>20738097
let me link some more things
https://www.reddit.com/r/Blogging/comments/ow9y5n/comment/h7fpx7o/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/91rkn7/heres_the_exact_formula_i_used_to_grow_a_blog_to/
talks about roughly the amount of content they had before they pushed marketing

https://www.reddit.com/r/seogrowth/comments/szk8kl/recently_hit_64_mil_monthly_organic_traffic_for_a/
https://www.reddit.com/r/seogrowth/comments/qwsdin/seo_is_easy_the_exact_process_we_use_to_scale_our/
links for building traffic

that's all ive got

>>20738098
It's because you have standards, and "successful" writers do not

>>20738097
>Too bad even if my shit is golden I write at a glacial fucking pace and get stuck in editing hell. Swear to god I've rewritten my opening chapter at least eight times.

Set a time limit on editing every day and set a weekly wordcount goal.
Resist the urge to obsess and be perfect. Perfection is the enemy of the perfectly adequate.

Would you be happy if someone's first description of your story was "atmospheric"?

>>20738185
Absolutely, atmosphere is very important for me to enjoy a story.

>>20738185
Should have replied
''Atmosphere!Atmosphere?Do I look like an atmosphere?!?''

>>20738019
a lot of self published people use a mailing list
they'll put a request for email addresses in the back of their book
sometimes they'll write a short story and offer that to readers in exchange for their email
some have over a hundred thousand readers on their list
they'll ask their readers to beta read their new novels and tell readers when a new book is out, etc

>>20738213
Thank god you didn't, because that shits cringy and dumb as hell.

>>20738217
>sometimes they'll write a short story and offer that to readers in exchange for their email
That is not a terrible idea. I kind of like that.

As far as beta reading goes my philosophy is you only need 2 good ones.

>>20738219
It's a reference retard, you wouldn't grasp it if you had hooves for hands, you uncultured swine, go back to your pen, dig around your own shit, you finger-sniffing onanist!

>>20738227
>It's a cliché, retard.
Fixed, retard.

>>20738115
Yeah looks like a shoddy translation. But it isn't just here, look at RoyalRoad or Scribblehub. So many names are just verbose descriptions of the story's main plot or include what the book is in the title.
>How I Learned to Tongue my Own Asshole: A LitRPG Progression XangXia Cultivation Erotic Romance Saga
I can't be the only one that gets bothered by titles and names bereft of creativity or even the slightest effort to sound interesting or unique. Even Gardner's titles are leaps and bounds better than most of the shit I spot on there.

>>20737921
The guy on the cover of "My Rich Wife" is a chad among chads.

>>20738243
Authors make those titles when they're unknown, so they end up in search results.

>>20738241
>cliche
literally 99.999% of the Earth has never heard of it. Sure...I'm sure this line has been overplayed so much into popular culture that everyone knows of it...Right?
This reference was actually well placed, suggestive of the confusion the author felt about the judgment he received, and 100% appropriate.
You know what's overplayed? Your pompous response, know-better attitude and quick judgment of other people's thoughts. ''Cringy and dumb as hell'', it's not like your words are full of evanescence and unheard of either, asshole...
You're really painting quite the picture of a likeable character here, tripfag. I'll be sure to follow your meagre, uninspired works on this here forum...Surely you'll bless us with more of your satoris such as ''that shit is cringy and dumb as hell''. Let the real wordsmiths contribute...Or as your choice of a pen name suggests, your dreadful need for recognition prevents you from ever allowing healthy conversation to blossom, as you hoard any subject matter, or debate to yourself in order to placate actual well-intended thinkers with pearls such as ''cringy and dumb''...
Go ahead and keep embarrassing yourself. The only thing here which is to be cause of shame should be your lack of conversational manners, and the likelihood you were raised an entitled, ungrateful piglet who consumes endlessly without assimilating any truths, only to regurgitate his own tasteless, fathomless spew of pig shit.
I spit on your grave, you uncivilized scum.
Go back to social etiquette classes, you self-appointed disciplinarian, your words are drivel, and your brain matter suggestive of runny eggs.

Oops, I'm hurting anon feelings again. Always happens when I have too much coffee.
I'm procrastinating anyway, I'm going to get back to work.

>>20738243
the japanese started doing that with their titles some years ago
they used to have short titles like "yugi oh"
now they have really long titles like "Youkoso Jitsuryoku Shijou Shugi no Kyoushitsu e"
so maybe they're copying the japanese

Anybody else want me to look at their manuscript today? I can only accept Word instead of Google Docs today because my home Internet is getting replaced. Shoot me a message at maat042@yahoo.com

>>20738308
Good riddance! To hell away with you, back to your meaningless quest for substance, satanic suppository. Your clear sourness in your speech, must not be blamed on the consumption of acrid liquids, nor the stimulant nature of the black brew...The only thing brewer and sourer, your heart which only exacerbated by the liqueur, must spew its vile hatred in its quick-temperedness upon those that dare share a trait of the mind much brighter and apt than yours...Oh how quick you are to shoot down any contribution which holds meaning, effervescence, but when once compelled to acknowledge your own deeds, you vanish like a djinn called back into the abysses of your real life, a hell which must be more mortifying than this vapid antichamber, as if you were called upon by your own dark lord himself?
My feelings are far from hurt. I am feeling in this moment the vindication that conquers the tranquil heart of a constant gardener, one who does not fear or scurry away from scuttle or fight, I was summoned here to grant you your becknoning, you little-minded folk of medium wit. May you never return, and be banished henceforth from this place. May you feel the original shame of pride your own chosen pen name should instill within your power tripping psyche, and recoil once and for all, and denounce your old ways.
You are the victim of your own hubris, the self-appointed king of these lands, an emperor with no clothes, which all ridicule and mock within the privacy of their own content hearts, as they watch you embarrass yourself time and time again with your quick, brash judgments and haughty antiques.

I hope you are struck by your own arrogance, and moved to shame and tears by the dull, eroded callousness you displayed in this here interaction.
May you return a new soul, bared naked and honest, to discuss, or may you never return again, to discuss or what you think discussing is anyway...Begone and with you, away with the sour dullness of your words.

>>20738357
>an emperor with no clothes, which all ridicule and mock within the privacy of their own content hearts
Pretty sure I get mocked openly on a daily basis.
Nice work though, the rest of that was quality.

>>20731203
in art there these things we call "fundamentals".
are there any writing fundamentals?

>>20738379
Grammar, formatting, chaoter structure, perspective, etc.

>>20738379
yes, read literally any book on fiction writing
I found The Art of Fiction by John Gardner to be the most useful

>>20738333
>some years ago
Kochikame (Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kōen Mae Hashutsujo) started in 1976

>>20738379
Yes. They change with the times though.

These days it is: No adverbs, no split infinitives, find a style manual and stick to it, try to show and not tell (take this with a grain of salt Hemingway and Cormac Mccarthy are giants and both primarily tell).

If you want to be successful: take on a jewish nom-de-plum or just be a black gay woman.

>>20738406
Is it ok to only tell the mc's perspective and show everyone one else's?
Or is this too childish?

>>20738406
Nothing makes my blood boil like people shilling show don't tell. Idk if this is just me, but I've noticed that a lot of people have started shilling "show don't tell" as an excuse to be purple. Sure its a good principle, but showing too much and telling too little is a pitfall I feel like a lot of new authors fall into, especially people who don't read as much as they should.

>>20738675
there's no accounting for the ways in which bad art might be assembled. I don't think it's worth getting upset over.

>>20738675
>Tfw my blogpost screed against show don't tell is only half finished and delayed because I got excited to write a post formalizing my theories on Loose Alliteration/tongue side preference and the new chapter of my book I'm excited to write.

Just not enough time in the week man, but I feel you.

>>20738406
>fundamentals
>changing with the times
that's not what that word means..

>>20738842
you must be 18+ to post on this website

>>20738969
i asked about fundamentals and you answered about styles and trends.

"Not to mention" seems to be my new crutch word

>>20738991
and it's a particularly bad one because it's contentless and unnecessary

>>20739060
I mean...

>>20739090
I mean, you know—I just, I don't know.

>>20739102
Pretty nicely written dialog, bro. How did you get so good?

>>20739191
Fuck off Sponge.

Heres a writting prompt:
>page 9

>>20739205
My diary desu ~

>>20738989
the fundamentals of writing are basically things you should’ve picked up at least in high school.

basic grammar, knowing words, sentence structure.

unlike perspective or shadows or whatever, as long as you grew up in a predominantly English speaking society, you should come with it already.

>>20739237
i think those might be the fundamentals of language. but i'm talking about WRITING. the kind this thread is about.
you can know your grammar, words and sentence structure but still be unable to write a story.

>>20739205
You can make the next thread

>>20739337

New thread

>>20739202
Why are you so obsessed with me?