/lit/ - Literature

>>20733716
Yeah, it shows that they’re actually people.

>>20733775
Okay Shizo

>>20733716
Yeah but you don't actually "hear" them

>>20733716
it's not voices it's a single voice, your own. if you don't have inner monologue or can't imagine objects, colors etc. and manipulate them you're not human. simple as

>>20733775
>>20733790
What did he mean by this??

>>20733716
>Patrick Rothfuss
I hate redditors so much.

>>20733795
What do you think, idiot.

>>20733716
yes, subhumans don't have this feature. If you can't manipulate images, plan, or hear in your head, you aren't a person. Sorry. You just learned you're a philisophical zombie. If it makes you feel any better, this means none of your many mistakes are your fault, since you're just an unfeeling automaton incapable of action or error.
>>20733782
cope
>>20733783
It's extremely similar. You just are aware that they aren't real, you produced the sounds yourself nearly automatically so of course you know they're in your head.
>>20733790
/thread

>>20733716
I hear a voice in my head whenever I read things, I can even change what accent of the voice

It’s a bit like when you become aware that you’re breathing.

>>20733927
>yes, subhumans don't have this feature. If you can't manipulate images, plan, or hear in your head, you aren't a person. Sorry. You just learned you're a philisophical zombie. If it makes you feel any better, this means none of your many mistakes are your fault, since you're just an unfeeling automaton incapable of action or error.
This must be a single obsessed autist pushing this repeating this post all over /lit/ and /sci/. I refuse to believe that multiple anons can be so retarded on so many levels in such a particular way.

>>20733716
Yes only insofar as my imagination gives each character a unique voice for their dialogues. As far as narration goea I just imagine shit that is described. Must suck to be a brainlet.

I don't believe anyone doesn't have the ability to imagine landscapes or items or have an inner monologue

>>20733790
>it's not voices it's a single voice, your own.
He only hears a single voice. kek

>>20733927
>yes, subhumans don't have this feature. If you can't manipulate images, plan, or hear in your head, you aren't a person. Sorry. You just learned you're a philisophical zombie.
This must be a single obsessed autist repeating this post all over /lit/ and /sci/. I refuse to believe that multiple anons can be so retarded and insecure in such a particularly worded way for so long.

>>20733790
But for me it's not my own voice, whenever i read a novel it just makes a new voice for the character based on it's personality, it slows me down a bit since i also imagine the way they speak.
Is this good or should i learn to supress it to read faster?

>>20734038
Pure Brainlet cope. Autists can barely remember faces let alone different voices.

>>20734038
the simple fact that you deleted your post proves how much of an NPC you truly are. you couldn't hear your reply before you typed it like a robot. then you did a QA and something did not compute. delete 4chinx post. post correct one. bzzz bzz bzzzz. Get out of here freak.
>>20734041
i get what your saying, that's what usually happens but i called it "your own" since you create it and at least in my case unless i want it to give it to a character it defaults to the same one to say so. it is slower as well as you pointed it out. nothing out of the ordinary in your situation, it's the normal course of things. rejoice anon, you have a healthy mind!

>>20734047
You know what's the height of all cope? Misunderstanding a simple thought experiment to delude yourself into thinking you're special.

>>20734052
>the simple fact that you deleted your post proves how much of an NPC you truly are. you couldn't hear your reply before you typed it like a robot. then you did a QA and something did not compute. delete 4chinx post. post correct one. bzzz bzz bzzzz. Get out of here freak.
If I'm an NPC, why is your impotent rage so funny?

>>20734065
XoXo

>>20734047
I'm a turboaustist and I can read things in whatever voice I want. I read your post in the voice of Neil deGrasse Tyson to make you sound cocky and overconfident.

>>20734056
It's not a simple thought experiment. It's just stating what people who aren't double digit IQ brainlets experience when reading literature. Not my fault your parents never told you why you had to attend special ed classes

Are there really humans without internal monologues? Aside from the Chinese.

>>20734083
>It's not a simple thought experiment.
>also ur dumb
lmao

>>20734085
It's something you should be able to turn on and off at will. I managed to overcome clinical depression by not using the SSRI prescribed by my shrink and instead forcing myself to internally vocalize my thoughts in full sentences.

>>20733775
This

information processing is divided in sensation and perception, what you "hear in your head" skips the sensation and is mere perception. which debunks materialist reductionist ideas of perceptions as "the brain processing sensation"

>>20733716
Do you read while moving your vocal cords at the same time? I do and it slows me down a lot.

On one of my readings of World as Will and Representation, I imagined Schopenhauer lecturing it to me. We were in his house, comfy candle light night in 19th century Germany.

>>20733927
This is a compelling argument, but unfortunately it’s undercut by the unfortunate fact that you are not me. As the sole sentiment being existing, I reject that notion on the basis that only a person would be able to make a convincing argument. You’re just noise.

>>20733716

Good prose has a musical quality that you are missing when skimming a text. Preferring speed over quality is a vulgar mindset

>>20734542
the information is going to be consumed either way, might as well read it faster to get it out of the way

>>20733716
When I read a book I solely visualize an anime girl saying the words to me in their sweet angelic voice.

I don't
I just get images of the scenes that I read appear in my head while I read

>>20734258
yes but i only move them left to right as i scan the page

>>20734115
>turn on and off at will
God I fucking wish
Sometimes I get fucking headaches because my own voice inside my head just doesn't fucking stop talking and I just lay down doing nothing while the pain just gets worse and worse till I finally fall asleep
Then the torture begins again once I wake up
I would do anything to not be able to think.

>>20735509
there's something seriously wrong with you. have you tried meditation? it's point is literally to stop thinking

>i share a board with "people" that don't even commune with the ancient spirits
Have you guys seriously never even spoken to Quetzalcoatl?

i hear the song of a wild boar

>>20735509
this is normal and perfectly healthy

>>20734052
>>20733927
literally, and I mean literally, everyone can do this
go back to /sci/

>>20733716
yup, humans evolved for speech so we tend to perceive writing as speech. Honestly, it couldn't be enjoyable for NPC's to read anything imaginative so the fact that brainlets can't into reading is not surprising

>>20734015
Lol hold on, there are people that can't picture an object and manipulate it in their head while also possessing an inner monologue? Guess I'm a fucking genius then

>>20734065
Lol this

>>20736207
I don't get it

>>20733790
I only hear one too but it's always Queen Latifah's

>>20733716
No, nobody has ever heard a voice in their head. Actual schizophrenic people are hearing their own thoughts but they have a brain malfunction where they don't identify the thoughts as their own.
What subvocalization is, is thinking about the words being read allowed. It's associated with imagination.

>>20736296
You're not a genius, they're just dumb. As far as I know, the majority of people do have an internal monologue and can manipulate objects in their imagination to varying degrees but overall a huge number of people cannot do one or the other and many also cannot do both.
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>>20733783
>>20733790
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>>20736207
Also, can you guys imagine the feel of an object? I can imagine it on certain body parts including hands, firearms and tongue. This includes texture, shape and tempterature. It's not as vivid as previously mentioned things but still pretty accurate. Easier for materials and textures I've already touched.
>>20735509
Use NAC. From my experience, it helps a lot. Personally, I didn't lose the ability to subvocalise at all. I was just a lot "calmer" when I subvocalisinng despite feeling the same emotions and this prevented me from getting stuck in never-ending subvocalisation loops. I need to start using it again. The difference since stopping has been noticeable.

I'm afraid I'm part npc because the only images I can form when reading are kind of like snapshots and almost never flowing scenes

>>20733716
I hear voices always

>>20733775
No, it shows they're primitive unevolved monkeys whose conscious experience is that of literally aping a representation instead of the ultimate step of abstractly grasping it. Put another way, you're the horse, led to water, not drinking
>inb4 you don't have le internal monologue, n-npc
I do, but I'm too smart to need it for reasoning things out, I intuitively understand and experience them on an abstract level. The monologue is for organizing thoughts, and also for commenting on everyday trivial amusements and annoyances
The nitwit is a hylic acting on instinct
the midwit is a desperate herd animal rationalizing on the irrational
the intellect is an intuitive thinker and a thought-leader by nature.
Sorry cucks, your highs of experience are well-trodden utilitarian commutes to a mind like mine

>>20734085
Okay, that made me chuckle.

>>20733716
I do, and it makes reading more enjoyable. What I just wrote I ‘said’ in my own mind. Makes me appreciate reading more. I wouldn’t want to speed read, because it would take the enjoyment out of reading.

imagine thinking having to vocalize something to grasp it as oppose of just abstractly grasp it out of thin air makes you think you're the superior one...

kek just wait till we get the neural networks implanted in our brains you vocalizing chimps we'll see who's the superior ones when us abstract thinker chads will be able to still have free thought without getting thought policed and vanned off to the mental re-education camps...

HAHAHA imagine not being able to hold on to a thought without speaking it internally
good luck being able to keep secret intelligence when they hook us on the matrix

schizo abstract thinkers stay winning!

>>20737626
>abstractly grasping
That's an oxymoron. Abstraction requires logic, grasping reality is what children do. Not saying that one is better, each one has pros and cons

>>20735128
This guy watches his movies on 2x speed

>>20735771
You are so wrong, mate. You need to search more.

>>20738489
Maybe they just think they need to experience the same type of seeing as the one you do with your eyes, and since their eyes are closed they just "see" black but their imagination pictures it well.

>>20738444
>This guy watches his movies on 2x speed
Relaxing is all well and good. Some people enjoy a stroll in the park. Others enjoy cycling at top speed. We wouldn’t say ‘when you’re cycling at top speed you’re not enjoying nature the way god intended

>>20737101
This is the high end and typical as the flowing imagery is just something from cameras and not how our mind operates.
t. canon-tier poet

>>20733927
Really? It is bizarre to me that some people can’t “hear” the text or “see” pictures/scenes in their head while reading or just siting and drinking wine or espresso.

This is one of those semantical things. I don't "hear" voices, but I do imagine voices. It's not like there's literally another person in the room talking.
I've noticed my brain does this thing where it has a bunch of stock voices it wants to attribute to characters. There's this nasally kind of voice that comes through a lot.

>>20738489
I'd like to clarify, does everyone seeing with 1 see as if it's like an overlay? Because I see in two ways.

>>20738513
Consciously perceiving your thoughts, imagination etc. is something most people just don't want to do, so they "unlearn" it; not necessary for daily life and basic survival. Its enough to just be an NPC following the social programming to get your money and your fix.

>>20738611
It depends on how relaxed you are and maybe on how much you have exercised that brain muscle in the recent past.

>>20735128
Bugman moment

>>20733775
fpbp

>>20738513
You're supposed to see the images though

>>20738703
How?

>>20733775
wha-

>>20734085
Apparently yes, that's why the NPC meme was born, it was a way to acknowledge that most regular normies are just robots following a pattern, they don't question things they just function the way they're supposed to

Those are the type of people that join cults

>>20733716
I have no idea why you would read text describing scenery and people in detail if you're unable to imagine them. My head naturally builds the whole book in visual as well as audio form when I read.