/lit/ - Literature

>>20721995
The image is atmospheric.

First for generic Post-Tolkien fantasy trilogies.

The mod deleted my post saying "First for The Wandering Inn, Reverend Insanity, and Bakker."

tried reading shadow of the tortured but it was boring so i dropped it

This semen slurping place isn't for me.
Wish there was a webnovel general so i can get away from these pathetic wannabe elitists that plague this general.
People were right to beat up and shove nerds into lockers back then. This is what happens when you let them get uppity.

>>20722032
Based janny
Water sleeps

>>20722088
You should make a webnovel general, unironically
I'm sure there's enough people to keep it going

>>20722095
Whenever someone tries to make a general for anything like that the mods delete them.

>>20722088
The problem is the sffg janny who doesn't delete the posts of trolls who just want to whine 24/7 about wegnovels, like holy shit you don't want talk about webnovels then don't, no one forces you to.

As long as the retards are allowed to shit up the thread there can be no normal discussion.

Thoughts on Heinlein?

>>20722137
During his time there were scifi authors who wrote about military adventures. There were more sociological writers concerned with alternate family structures, the future of sex and gender. And the two groups were seen as being incompatible. Heinlein was the first writer to realize they were not, and so his works often prefigure the current state of the world where polygamous trannies drone strike the third world for the USG.

>most writers understand no more about literature than birds do about ornithology
i should have listened to him. reading interviews with authors is never worth it.
Especially if you like they books.

iv read everything i want to
which is the next of these to come out?
>cosmere book
>eriksons malazan book
>esselmounts malazan book
>bloodsworn saga book
>asoiaf (lol)

Kino

>>20722337
All bad.

>>20722348
Disagree, but there's no other fantasy book to look forward to

>>20722163
Alright, Heinlein binge it is.

I'm holding onto the claim that Sanderson gets better with Mistborn & Stormlight Archive because so far Elantris has been quite a bore, nothing is happening.

Still reading Bakker, janny.

Please recommend me a good murderhobo story.

I'd rather read Dungeon Crawler Carl 6 than any AAA mainstream shit to come out.

>>20722459
Still trash anyway

>>20722499
>he got filtered
many such cases

>>20722490
I don't blame you. I just wish that self-published crap wasn't so autismal. I am glad that people are getting what they want, and support the DIY ethic, it's just most of the stuff isn't really for me.

>>20722507
>autismal
Elaborate on your buzzword and how it is somehow only present in self-pub.

>>20722137
He loved loved loved little boys in Sri Lanka, sir. But they are bastard islander I spit on them dumb Sinhala scum sir.

>>20722511
I will answer the first part, the second part about it "only being present" is your own addition and you will not find it in my original comment, so I will disregard it.

My exposure to self-published fantasy is primarily from the $0.99 Kindle dumping grounds, and comments spamming a few select series in these threads.
It seems that what is most popular is "autismal" in that many of the stories are very 'rules based' and linear. I don't just mean rules as in internal consistency, but stuff like litrpg and similar where the thrust is video game style character systems as functional realities and major plot devices. Similarly stuff like progression fantasy, cultivation, which are usually seem to present very rigid systematized linear progressions, hence the name progression I guess. Then the remainder of what I see seems to be psuedo-anime coomershit.

So it is all very autistic from what I am seeing, at least, as I said, what makes it to the top, and thus being what people are going to be first exposed to, and what gets shilled here.

Any of you faggots hip to Parke Godwin?

>>20722542
Not really accurate, 'video-game realities' might look autistic but it really isn't different than normal fantasy, there are simply numbers and labels attached to power. Only the shallowest webnovels focus entirely on game-like systems anyway, stuff like Dungeon Crawler Carl or The Wandering Inn could very easily pass as quirky fantasy stories in a world without Litrpg genre.

>>20722542
The word you are looking for is "pedantic", newfriend.

>>20722457
Elantris is interesting
I read it after stormlight and mistborn, knowing it was part of the cosmere but only had a single story


I thought it was a nice self contained story.

>>20722596
Ah, but you don't seem to make a case that these are not the dominate genres to be found in that scene? Or did I misunderstand.


>but it really isn't different than normal fantasy, there are simply numbers and labels attached to power.

I would consider this a significant difference. I don't accept the idea that you can change one thing without changing the whole. Tone, theme, atmosphere, meaning are all effected. I think thinking that way is unserious in its engagement with a text, and disregards fantasy as something that can resist notions of interchangeability, which is another way of saying consumerist slop.
And to be clear that isn't saying litrpg or adjacent genres are slop, just I find myself vehemently at odds with your statement here. But I think that statement comes from a place of defensiveness, a way to seek legitimacy by comparison with more respectable "traditional fantasy", which I think is unnecessary and an echo of mainstream "traditional", or as you say "normal", Fantasy's own anxiety over not being "real literature". Fantasy of whatever genre doesn't have to justify itself in my view.

Like I said though, the mechanics and numbers up front genres are not really my Jam, and I will not dispute you that there is likely a variety of shallowness and depth to be found within those genres. They simply are just not what I am into.

My hope is that self-publishing becomes seen as an increasingly legitimate avenue for creators to get out from under the thumb of the current publishing industry and its fucking lame culture and standards and not as a retirement home or ghetto for niche genres.

>>20721612
>>20721625
I suppose it isn't out of the ordinary for fantasy, you're right. It's just underwhelming after Wolfe and Vance. I like sword and sorcery and I like dying earth but it doesn't have the same dreamlike quality that those authors do.

>>20722616
its the only Sanderson story worth reading.

Thoughts on this series? Does it have a YA prose?

I am still looking for the name of a short story I listened to on YouTube (possibly horrorbabble) a while ago, it was part SciFi and part horror. I think it was called "X's world's" whereas X is simply the dude's name.
The story is basically dude X inviting his friend over to show him his cool miniature/simulated universe which he used to experiment the effect of calamities on alien civilizations. the end was the friend pushing dude X into the container containing the universe to stop the atrocities he inflicted upon the peoples of the simulation and then X exploded because, apparently, zero-gravity is deadly to humans for the same reason as decompression
I know someone here knows because I got the recommendation from here.

>>20722337
Probably Cosmere, I think Mistborn Era 2 book 4 is coming out soon-ish.

>Read 10 out of 11 Cradle books in 2 weeks
You know, this fantasy junk food thing isn't so bad

>>20722822
in a previous thread a while ago, some anon described the first book as being space hunger games tier but then the next books were some greco-roman drama kino in space
idk if they are right but it sounds interesting

>>20722596
I don't think DCC could work without the LitRPG elements given that's sort of the thrust of the story (I suppose it could still just work as a game show, but the game-y elements add a lot, like the dumb achievements and the AI going more and more crazy with its system text), but they work there because, well, the elements are explicitly an abstraction of sufficiently advanced technology. I like it when there's at least something of an explanation for system stuff in settings where it's just 'a thing that is there' and not a one-person deal.

>>20722735
Emperor's Soul is probably his best, honestly. I wouldn't call it oustanding but I'd at least call it very good.

>>20722956
Looking forward to that I wanna know what kelsiers been up to

I hope it's not 90% of tease then revealed in the last few pages

>>20722962
Cradle works because it doesn't try to hide what it is. It's a well-realised series that's functionally just a fun, shonen anime-style story. It helps that Wight's good at humour and making characters memorable. Characters may not have depth (some do, some don't), but they're all well-defined.

>>20722976
I think Lost Metal is gonna be the final Era 2 book at any rate. Which'll be sad, I think it has some of his best characters.

>>20722964
It's accurate. Pretty sure Red Rising was the way it was just to make it more marketable to publishers. Everything after that is more of a space opera with little to no YA tropes.

I'm currently reading The Forever War by Joe Haldeman. Not only is is great it's GOAT tier. I wish I could find more genre fiction at this level. Have any recommendations? I don't care if it's sci-fi or fantasy, but most of the stuff I've read isn't this great.

>>20722971
When you don't have to put up with horrible prose, abysmal dialogue and character writing, and the story isn't long enough to have completely fucked pacing for hundreds and and hundreds of unnecessary pages, yeah, he can write middling stuff.

I tried reading LITRPG once, but the mc name was Jason and i just closed the book, i cant respect the ideia of someone named >Jason<, wtf

>>20723253
maybe that's just alias, like Jason for Yamori from Tokyo Ghoul.

>>20723253
>I tried reading LITRPG once, but the mc name was Jason and i just closed the book, i cant respect the ideia of someone named >Jason<, wtf
As dumb of a reason as it was. at least you spared yourself reading He Who Fights With Monsters, one of the worst webnovels to become popular. Absolutely insufferable main character and le smart atheist who knows it all and out-edges everyone else. No wonder it boomed in popularity, middling retards love this shit.

>>20722459
>he hasn't read bakker enough times to recall the whole series by heart
you will never make it pseud.

>>20722822
Yes. First person present tense littered with garbage made up words. It's cancer.

>>20723079
> Have any recommendations?
Try The Chrysalids by John Wyndham

Why do you consider sci-fi and fantasy to be the superior genres of literature?

>>20723460

>>20723353
>Yes. First person present tense littered with garbage made up words. It's cancer.
Are people genuinely hating 1-st person prose or is it just a meme? I have seen such opinions before, but I cannot imagine from where it comes from. I've always enjoyed 1-st person as bringing the reader closer to the character. It's actually my prefered view-point.

>>20723460

>>20723501
It's the low iq viewpoint. First person is only good when it is written in retrospect. And is especially terrible when you change viewpoints.

>>20723501
I tend to vary on it. If you use first person to make a very affected sort of narration I'm generally on-board, but if it's as dry as a more objective third-person narration what's even the point?

>gritty mil/-sci-fi novel
>young recruit gets recruited
>"Oh yea he's definitely gonna be dead by the end of this novel"
>to the surprise of no one; he dies by the end
I hate how predictable this trope is.

no Bakker fan has ever known a woman

>>20723673
Post your favorite bit of bakker prose!

>>20723371
Thank you very much. I'm adding this to the reading list.

First two books of Hyperion:

Pros: lots of characters given deep backgrounds, mixing sci-fi with various genres. Turning a simple pilgrimage to a grand galactic war makes for superb escalation. Simmons with strong writing ability that comes off as highly intelligent, fitting a sci-fi series. Excellent use of tying the 6 stories to the setting.

Cons: Overuse of poems. Main character of book 2 is totally uninteresting (Severn). Book 1 is a slow start, potentially off-putting as the 2nd book is great. All the dream shenanigans are a little too on the nose.

This any good?

>>20723079

>>20723253
was he also a divorced ex marine or some shit like that
I swear the jokes write themselves

Are the Pern books good?
https://youtu.be/9NPY9eSr6-I?t=536

>>20723349
I've read Bakker in multiple languages. Can you say the same?

>>20724282
I like how when they wrote Bakker's name on the cover they used Hanzi for everything except the R.

>>20723928
>chick writer
You know the answer already.

>>20724282
The circumfix is upside down, but that artwork is based otherwise.

>>20723938
Ew, that cover sucks dick. Take this one instead.

Finished this novel last week and I think it was perfect. I believe PKD was influenced by the gnostic school of thought when he wrote it.

>>20724657
PKD was a staunch advocate of the 'reality is a simulation' theory, you can find some videos.
Now read the rest of his bibliography and you can be a cool anon like myself.

>>20724657
doubt it was you, but I rec'd this to an anon on /v/ recently.
hopefully he read it

so good

>>20724681
Yes, but not in the computer simulation sense.

>>20724748
Right, that's not what gnosticism is about.

I'm halfway through Claw of the Conciliator and I think I'm getting getting filtered. The only character/arc i cared about so far was Thecla and her story in the first book. Is there a payoff beyond "it all makes sense when you reread it for the 5th time"?

>>20724828
It's ok to not enjoy those books. I gave them a try and I didn't.

These Brienne chapters are so fucking boring. Also GRRM repeats same things over and over about the characters as if repeating same notions somehow corresponds to proper way to convey a character.

>>20722342
Is this good?

>>20724892
i used to think they were boring but after my second reread i loved them and even teared up a bit. sue me

>>20724892
>Reading a book series that will never be finished

>>20724917
NTA, but it was a decent read when I was teenager. Although looking back, it was kinda corny and edgy. You might not like if you are >18

>>20724949
You just summed up 99% of Fantasy.

The most hilarious aspect of this board is that literally no one is discussing new authors or new releases, especially in Fantasy.

>>20724917
No. Lots of cuckshit.

>>20724994
We discuss self-pub all the time.

>>20724994
Try reading the threads.

>>20724995
Doesn't that basically just mean "things I don't like"?

>>20725013
You don't even know who was nominated for the Hugo's without a google search.

>>20725022
They couldn't even tell you the current top 10 best sellers on the Fantasy genre.

>>20725022
Ok, but they don't matter. You're the one who apparently thinks they do.

>>20725035
What does knowing what's currently selling well have anything to do with reading or discussion?

>>20725021
I can only give you my subjective evaluation. For example the main character's friend (a king) gets married to a virgin but things happen and they get interrupted right before they have sex and he is presumed dead. She gets shipped off to another kingdom and marries another man and fucks him a lot and gets pregnant. Later she ends back up with the original husband and you get his thoughts on feeling insecure about still being a virgin while she's had lots of cock and he decides to get over it and adopt the other guy's children as his heirs. Several other examples like this, none of it pertains to the MC (more like reverse NTR in that case) but it's prevalent enough throughout the series that it put a bad taste in my mouth and made me think the author likes NTR.

>>20725045
You just proved his point, retard.

What's a LITRPG?

>>20725052
Dungeons and Dragons.

>>20725052
Something you can search up google if you actually cared for an answer.

>>20725049
How so? /sffg/ doesn't generally read the awards sort or the most popular releases overall. There are many other new releases than those that exist and are talked about, let alone read.

>>20725046
Who cares if he does or not? There's no reason to obsess over it.

>>20725046
Why are western authors like this? Holy shit. At least when nip protagonists get cucked they break it off forever.

>>20725022
>>20725035
>samefagging this hard

>>20725052
Ripping off isekai, most of the time.

>>20725057
Google isn't a reliable source on anything.

>>20725061
>Uh if you don't like something you're OBSESSED neener neener
No, I simply don't like it and from what I can tell I'm not alone in that regard. There's a difference between something featuring infidelity in some way and it being presented so much or in a certain way that it feels like it's actual cuckshit. If you want to read that, that's your prerogative, but if someone asks about the books I'm going to state my opinion about it.

>>20725080
From your example it sounds like typical politics where women are commodities. It's not like the women are stolen. They're given away because someone has to use them. It's doesn't sound like she had a choice. Do you consider rape as a form of cuckolding as well?

>>20725075
Still waiting.

>>20725098
You'd adopt your ex girlfriend now wife's rapebabies?

>>20725098
You're trying to analyze it without reading it, so you don't even know how it's presented. It makes a stink about her being a virgin in distinction to this other girl he was set up to marry who was a slut, then they get separated right when they're about to lose their virginities. She falls in love with the other man as well and you get the shit about the original husband overcoming his virgin insecurity blah blah. Also this is in the context of other things in the book that all add up. Again you haven't read it so I don't think you should be telling me what it's actually like.

>>20725061
>>20725098
/sffg/ tries this hard to defend cuckshit but gets filtered by Fang Yuan burning two children from a hostile militaristic faction when it was instrumental to his achievements in the story. Not a good look my dudes.

>>20725121
Interesting how you think murder is of far less importance than dishonor.

read cradle

>>20725151
Thanks, but no thanks.

>>20725136
The chinese have a saying for exactly that. "you can kill a soldier but you can't humiliate him". Or something like that.

I just fucked yo bitch
In some Dûnyain flip flops

>>20725151
Why did she stab herself?
Also, why would anyone read anything with this shitty artwork?

>>20725136
Nobody gives a fuck about honor. Its treated in the books as emotional insecurity like with modern sexual shit.

How did Kellhus know about the Nuke?

>>20725136
>fang yuan
>honor
The point is that Fang Yuan killed children to accomplish great things. Just like Cao Cao is famous for achieving great things through controversial or even ruthless means. Getting cuckolded and raising cuckchildren is spineless, not just dishonorable.

>>20725180
Have you noticed your worldview becoming ever twisted as you increasingly become unable distinguish between fantasy and reality?

>>20725200
When you say "The Great Leap Forward" you mean it sincerely rather than ironically.

>>20725202
I've noticed that you don't have an argument anymore so I accept your defeat.

>>20725136
Murdering enemies or murdering for higher purpose is justified however even mentioning fuctional cuckshit in lit (let promoting it) is pathetic and people who do that are losers.

>>20725209
Fun Fact: Fang Yuan parodied the great leap forward to make his low IQ subhuman slave population more productive. It's one of the things that people think got Reverend Insanity banned. You are going so off base for the sake of defending cuckoldry it's laughable.

>>20725230
I'm just a humble (You) mercenary. I don't care about any of this at all.

>>20725242
The premier currency on this board is concessions, thank you for providing yours.

>>20725253
I only accept (You)s.

>>20725260
For it's (surrender)s. So thank you for providing yours.

>>20725260
Ahem.

"Cope."

King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>20725288
Based.
>>20725294
Cringe.

Mods, clean up the non-book discussions.

>Calling jannies "mods"
Yikes! It sure feels like summer in here.

>>20722822
fist 3 books were fun about a destroying a scifi caste system , but the author clearly only realised in the third book what he was insinuating and pussied out. Creating a ultra retarded version of parlementairism which went against the whole point of his earlier books. the series suffers from its basic bitch author and era of science fiction and stands a shining example of the poor quality of current science fiction authors compared to earlier eras.

dropped it after the fourth book. the first three are fun but the rest sour the series.

>>20725466
>the author clearly only realised in the third book what he was insinuating and pussied out
>he [...] pussied out
Perhaps you could even say he trooned out.

are there any books on TES (the elder scrolls lore) thanks anons

>>20725602
Yes

Ive been on a Greg Egan kick as of late. Just read Diaspora, Schilds Ladder, and Permutation City.
Anyone else read these books? Blew my mind.

Also, Primer is the only movie about time travel that is worth anything

>>20725647
I'm still reading other stuff but I did read the first chapter of Distress and I'm quite looking forward to getting into Egan. Diaspora, Permutation City, Quarantine, An Unusual Angle - all interest me a lot.

>>20725679
I would reccomend reading Permutation City first in that list of Egan works. all of them center around the digitization of people and PC is the earliest in that process and does a good amount of ground laying. Nothing that you wouldnt be able to figure out as the books are not sequel or even explicitly the same "universe" but all based on similar rules of transhumanism

Is there any sci-fi setting that covers the possibility of the internet as a whole breaking down into separate networks as a result of increased desire for state control, corporate fuckery, and individualists wanting part of neither?

>>20725707
Crypto is dead.

Cope.

>>20725714
I know nothing of Crypto. The closest to Crypto I have ever come is investing in stuff.

>>20725707
Well, in Diaspora digital people select citizenship on a plethora of servers based on their worldview. They are like countries but more like separate worlds. There's one that's basically a giant bitcoin mine, one that outright rejects the physical world and dives into solipsism, and another dedicated to understanding the physical world and seeking synthesis with it

>>20725723
Diaspora is the book.
Okay.
I was thinking actual meat space feckers.
But thank you, that might be a good read.

>>20725729
Starts with a lengthy passage about the formation of a new digital consciousness in a womb program that is honestly one of my favorite opening chapters in any scifi book

I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?

>>20725745
I'll give it a shot. I'm honestly kind of a newb to sci fi settings.
I kinda like, I don't know, shit like the more dingy and western side of Star Wars, where it's just low class feckers in bars and shooting at each other.

>>20725729
Well, there ARE those that still choose to embody themselves in real space. Fleshers they are called, and they take a great variety of form for the air, land, and sea. They are looked at like we look at the inhabitants of Sentinel Island. Something to be avoided and preserved out of respect for the past

>>20725602
I'd recommend SSeth's video for Morrowind era content desu

>>20725748
Black Company.

>>20725763
lol

>>20725748
ASOIAF it has pretty good descriptions of food AND you get know what several characters penises look like.

Any good space writers similar to Jules Verne?

>>20725770
LOL

>>20725756
>newb to sci fi settings.
Egan is arguably the hardest of them all so it may be -a lot- at first. You could try some of his short story collections. My favorite collections are Oceanic and Axiomatic, of his.

>>20725748
I know you're just waiting for this answer, so here you go.

>>20725748
The Dread Empire

>>20725783
Based.

>>20725748
Closest I got is:
The Ancient: A Novel
By Nicholas Russ.

It's probably not exactly what you want.

>>20725748
Bakker, obviously. And I can't believe the amount of people falling for this pasta. Jesus Christ, it sure is summer here.

>>20725774
Tyrion has a thick veiny cock with a dark purple head
Hodor's swings halfway down his thigh and has a thick patch of briar like brown hair
Samwells dick looks like "a fat pink mast"

thats just off the top of my head, maybe someone else can help me out.

I cant seem to recall George writing even a cursory description of someones vagina though...

>>20722105
Lel is this bait or are you the little TWI lovin snitch you're larping as

>>20722088
Today's classic sff writers were the web novelists of their day, for the most part. This culture was always best on the outside, and now that it's been gentrified what we have left is the fringe. Yes, it's 99% ass but nothing happens on the leash today.

>>20725781
>Egan is arguably the hardest of them all
Yeah as soon as I saw that I felt bad for the recc hahaha just make sure you brush up on string theory and basic particle physics

>>20725763
>>20725770
>Those books
>Lovecraftian horror
>Philosophy
>High intellectual themes
LOL
LMAO even

>>20725798
Based

>>20722088
I could kill you with my bare hands, webnigger. I could pounce across the intervening space, effortlessly, with the grace of a great cat, and snap your neck. I could piston my fist into your skull and fracture it, punch your head until only mushy slop remained. I could pick you up and slam you off the ground repeatedly until you stop existing.

Stay in your lane, you gangly rat fuck freakshow.

>>20725874
*dodges all that shit like the Matrix*
own3d

>>20725918
May Allah strike you down for your impudence

>>20722822
Read it and decide for yourself. Personally it's probably my favorite ongoing series.
Some people don't like the first person prose that's in the first trilogy but I love it. It does a great job of characterizing the protagonist as the autismo, revenge-seeking psychopath that he is.

Books 2 and 5 especially stand out. Some people complain about the plot armor for the main characters but that goes away real quick in the continuation series.

>>20725707
Sounds exactly like the setting of Starsector

>>20725783
I don't care for Bakker much but those covers are kino

>>20725783
I have these paperbacks. So much more soulless than then older ones. I want

>>20725647
Quarantine is great if you have even a layman's appreciation of quantum mechanics.

>>20723938
This is definitely on my list, but taking a break from military sci-fi after The Forever War. What an incredible book.

>>20725748
>intense battles
>highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy
>poignant character psychology
>just a hint of Lovecraftian horror
Reverend Insanity unironically.

>>20726376
forever war is a fantastic book, armor is not nearly as good. Starship troopers and old mans war are both decent but also not as good. Might reread FW, I've been trying to find something as good for years.

>>20726528
based and true

>>20725783
I'm trying to read the first book but man this fucking book does not let up with just dropping random ass names fucking everywhere, referencing places and events it feels like reading alphabet soup.

What implications does Stephen Wolfram's A New Kind of Science have on LitRPGs (computational fantasy worlds)?
>The basic subject of Wolfram's "new kind of science" is the study of simple abstract rules—essentially, elementary computer programs. In almost any class of a computational system, one very quickly finds instances of great complexity among its simplest cases (after a time series of multiple iterative loops, applying the same simple set of rules on itself, similar to a self-reinforcing cycle using a set of rules).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science

>>20725707
It features heavily in pic related, though it might not be exactly what you're looking for.

Pros:
I like that the entire setting was just a gigantic war economy bloodbath
I like that the fantasy power elements enabled and actively incentivized planned and unplanned solo acts of mass destruction or challenging powerful foes
I like that there was at least the implication of a diverse economy with various strategies to advance

Cons:
I didn't like any stupid subplot regarding the protagonist's family or acquaintances, especially the secret alien heritage one
I didn't like any of the romance-related writing
I didn't like the protagonist being an unga bunga axe man with no interesting abilities when he's basically a one man show
I find the combination of a "powerful" protagonist who is nonetheless perpetually reactive within the story to be highly manipulative and disingenuous
I didn't like how the story offers you a gigantic multiverse only to shackle the protagonist to his planet and settlement and thus the railroaded plot arising from its threats and problems
I didn't like the protagonist repeatedly taking risky fights because he implicitly knew plot armor would save him
I didn't like opaque, highly arbitrary stats that failed to give a proper understanding of the protagonist's growth
I didn't like how skills, daos, and classes were too generalistic and characters failed to have clear combat archetypes and distinct strategies as a result
I didn't like how the protagonist had a nonexistent personality due the author being aware that if he had a personality consistent with his actions and priorities it would be an extremely generic mary sue one

Please give me something else to read instead of this.

>>20727235
I finished reading this just today actually. Generally agree with you, but there's a few things that really annoyed me that you didn't mention. It seemed like the author was intentionally using weird vocabulary to make the series sounds more like MTL chinkshit. For example, he repeatedly uses "Frienziedly" to describe actions, or uses "Decimeter" to describe distances. He uses weird tenses in exposition all the goddamn time that makes it seem like something translated from a language with a different structure to English.
Speaking of Exposition, there's WAY too much, it goes on and on and on and none of it is particularly important or relevant. the Action sucks and it desperately needs an editor. By book 4 I'd gotten to the point where I just skimmed over the action, often skipping 5+ pages at a time, because it's just random bullshit that doesn't matter with nothing resembling a flow or goal being achieved.
The author also goes on pointless tangents all the fucking time, going into excruciating, autistic detail about mundane actions or dialogue. Entire pages dedicated to justifying an offhand comment that isn't relevant to anything.
One thing I did like is the image the author gives you of some of the characters. For example the girl floating around on a miniature sun in the tower of eternity. That's a cool concept, and the few pages from her perspective are way more interesting than anything else in the book.

If you want something similar but better, I'd point you towards Dungeon Crawler Carl, or Dissonance by Nicoli Gonnella. Primal Hunter by Zogarth also, but that one stands out to me specifically because the protagonist is basically a socially awkward autist and it's played for laughs, and I find that amusing.

>>20727261
I don't know if the author is just that much of a cultivation fan or what but I did notice that the author uses a lot of xianxia-isms, things that seemed to go above and beyond just lifting the idea and trying to sell it to non-cultivation readers. It was quite odd but I was pretty ambivalent to it.

>>20725602
There are two novels, the Infernal City and Lord of Souls. Stuff that may or may not be canon is more fun than those two though. Bunch of forum rp archives between devs that can be found online. Then there is C0DA, a script for a comic by Kirkbride.

>>20727235
>I didn't like how the story offers you a gigantic multiverse only to shackle the protagonist to his planet and settlement and thus the railroaded plot arising from its threats and problems
Uhh, how far did you read? I think at the point where the story is now, most of the chapters take place off-world. Earth has been entirely side-lined for a while now.

>I didn't like the protagonist being an unga bunga axe man with no interesting abilities when he's basically a one man show
He's a combat genius who's extremely shit at cultivation itself, but passes in other important regards, like mindset for cultivation, commitment, drive etc. Zac is an average guy, but an ultimate average guy. Neither extremely passionate, nor stoic and emotionless. He's not bland, he's just normal person in a world of cultivation, even iif he seems to grow more ruthless as the time goes on.

> I didn't like any of the romance-related writing
No one did desu, but the last arc had decent and enjoyable flirting with a girl that basically everyone liked, even if in the end nothing came to be. The author has also stated some time ago that DoTF is a story of 'Zac and his axe,' romance will never be an important part of the story. Zac was celibate most of the story mostly because the author didn't want to even hint at the story being similar to other dumb xianxias.

>I find the combination of a "powerful" protagonist who is nonetheless perpetually reactive within the story to be highly manipulative and disingenuous
I think it depends on your personal perspective, to me Zac was never powerful. He is relatively powerful to others at his rank, but he constantly messes with people who can crush him. He's barely started in cultivation, as far as the power ranking goes. Maybe it's just the early part of the story when he was reactive, but as it is now he doesn't appear to be, at least to me.

>I didn't like how the protagonist had a nonexistent personality due the author being aware that if he had a personality consistent with his actions and priorities it would be an extremely generic mary sue one
/\ The point about him being an unga bunga protagonist /\


I don't think DotF is perfect, or even amazing. But it's a great cultivation story, consistently enjoyable webnovel (I think the author posted 6 times a week for most of the story, the grind was real, and it was less repeatable than typical xianxias), and doesn't get more boring as it goes on. It actually becomes better with every arc, at least for me. In comparison to Cradle, DotF is a better and more consistent webnovel than Cradle is a novel series. Definitely more ambitious, too.


A story the most similar to DotF would be The Primal Hunter, but it depends what are you looking for. PH has better characters and interactions between them, but the combat and the system are worse, if you skim those you are in for a good time. Also, edgy. Overall, I'd rate PH lower than DotF.

DO NOT READ Randidly Ghosthound. It's shit.

>>20727235
Okay, there's one more story that you might like. Very ambitious and better written than DotF. Monsters and Legends: Infinity Realm. The author is autistically creating entire builds for the characters, and there are many ways of power in the story's world. Big focus on story and characters. However, it's considered to be somewhat edgy.

>>20727032
Those books have an amazing re-read value.

>>20727323
>Uhh, how far did you read?
Second job change. I was already sick of the plot when it used the "everything suddenly goes to shit while Zac fucks off for five minutes" development twice in a row. When I saw the new jobs introduced no major mechanics, just more stats and a couple maybe-abilities way down the road, and it was going to be another 200 chapters of "axe man go choppy-choppy" fights I was done.
>He's not bland,
Anon you are free to have this opinion but at least realize how unlikely anyone else is to share it.
>he's just normal person in a world of cultivation
This is the biggest plothole in the story. A normal person doesn't become the strongest progenitor in the last 1000 years in the sector or whatever, nor do they have affiliation with some technocrat scheme to game the system or whatever, and the gene of some black hole alien thing. I'd actually dislike Zac less if he really was just an earthling, at least there'd be some consistency.
>The author has also stated some time ago that DoTF is a story of 'Zac and his axe,' romance will never be an important part of the story.
A shame romantic melodrama is already a major feature in the story, getting stabbed by one girlfriend and turning another girlfriend into a shield to carry around as a symbol of his regret and such. It's too late to say there's no romance when you've already thoroughly poisoned the story with it.
>I think it depends on your personal perspective, to me Zac was never powerful.
In narrative terms he's not. He's a pathetic and weak protagonist, and that's what makes him unpleasant to read. Who the fuck wants to explore a setting like ruthless heavens on the back of a sadsack like him? Not me, that's for sure.

Believe me, it's a shame. Because ruthless heavens is a fun setting even if underexplored, and the cultivation system was at least interesting in concept even if shallow in execution. I'd be happy to attempt to read a different action-heavy story in the same setting, but definitely not one about fucking Zac, or for that matter Earth.

>>20725057
>LitRPG, short for literary role playing game, is a literary genre combining the conventions of computer RPGs with science-fiction and fantasy novels.[1] The term is a neologism introduced in 2013. The proponents of the term state that in LitRPG, games or game-like challenges form an essential part of the story, and visible RPG statistics (for example strength, intelligence, damage) are a significant part of the reading experience.[2] This distinguishes the genre from novels that tie in with a game, like those set in the world of Dungeons and Dragons;[1] books that are actual games, such as the choose-your-own-path Fighting Fantasy type of publication; or games that are literally described, like MUDs and interactive fiction. Typically, the main character in a LitRPG novel is consciously interacting with the game or game-like world and attempting to progress within it.

Lol this just sounds retarded. Its basically isekai in written format. Who even reads this self aware trash?

>>20727402
>Believe me, it's a shame. Because ruthless heavens is a fun setting even if underexplored, and the cultivation system was at least interesting in concept even if shallow in execution. I'd be happy to attempt to read a different action-heavy story in the same setting, but definitely not one about fucking Zac, or for that matter Earth.
Read Infinity Realms saga. Seems it would be much more aligned with your tastes.

>>20726528
LOL
LMAO even

FUCK YOU stupid arrogants

>>20727411
In practice it's just bog standard western fantasy with menus the vast majority of the time. So indeed, trash.

>Cradle
>Reverend Insanity
>Wandering Inn

Which other books do you guys have on your No-Read list?

>>>/mu/111797934

>>20727423
>LOL
>LMAO even

>>20727457
The Prince of Nothing desu

>>20727415
Will give it a shot alongside Carl, thanks for the recommendation.

>>20725022
some black/asian woman?

>>20727467
We all know you can’t read, so that’s understandable.

>>20727457
This desu.

>>20727457
Thanks for the recs.

>>20727335
>four volumes before one of the MCs becomes likable
lol I haven't seen that particular Event really happen before in sff so I did/do enjoy the characterization

>>20727457
Add Sanderson to that list.

>In October 2021, Kuang announced that her fifth novel. Yellowface follows "a white author who steals an unpublished manuscript, written by a more successful Asian American novelist who died in a freak accident, and publishes it as her own".
can this bitch write about anything other than asians, white people and racism? Literally every single book

>>20727613
>yellowface
wew

Is it OK if I make up or use irregularly words? For example, using “periphery” as a verb?
>”to the many small farms peripherying my town”

>>20722163
>There were more sociological writers concerned with alternate family structures, the future of sex and gender.
Can anyone recommend some of these authors or name the most famous ones?

>>20727457
This + Sanderson and - RI.

>>20727644
If you have to ask, then no.

>>20727457
>Bakker
>Sanderson
>Web novels
>Wheel of time
>Name of the wind
>Wolfe

>>20727736
>>20727467
Imagine skipping on one of the best modern fantasy series ever because the fans are obnoxious.

>>20727748
You give them way too much credit.

>return to the general after a few months away
>it's still shit
Guess it's back to rereading Wolfe then.

>>20727816
Same, but Bakker here. In Spanish this time.

Any fantasy (litRPG or haremlit I guess) books with this dynamic

>>20727845
Wrong general, cuck.

>>20727748
>Imagine skipping on one of the best modern fantasy series ever because the fans are obnoxious.
I was kidding desu, I intend to go on a dark fantasy safari soon starting with The Prince of Nothing, said that just to trigger Bakkerfags. I will not forget to point out every flaw in the writing once I'm done, though
Meanwhile I go back to reading Progression Fantasy, yummy

Thots on this

jesus christ, i read the prologue and first chapter of prince of nothing and already i have a raging headache with all these fucking retarded names i can barely keep track of
how do people manage to read this shit?

>>20727879
Bakker is not for low IQs.

>>20727879
Don't worry it settles into comfy gay cuck porn and midwit philosophy soon.

>>20727899
There is no gay cuck porn in the Second Apocalypse. Nor philosophy for that matter.

>>20727879
Bakker's conlangs are really awful. Tolkien was a linguist and understood how to make natural sounding fake words. Most of these other hacks just mash together noises in vague imitation of Tolkien's languages.

>>20727911
That’s just your monolingual anglo brain cope. I never had any issues with it.

>>20727911
Bakker is no worse than Tolkien. But even then, how do you expect good fantasy to have anglo sounding names for alien/ancient civilisations?

>>20727889
This, but unironically.

>>20728015
use greek or egyptian names or something lol

>>20727874
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=Long+price+quartet&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=Sffg&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>20727261
>Dissonance
I will say I generally like this more than DotF, but it's basically just on the "pretty good for LitRPG" end of things. Felix has a similar issue as Zac as being pretty basic, but the story serves it here, because Felix IS just a random guy caught up in things and people assume the guy being nice to be nice is actually a nefarious manipulator because who the fuck is just nice to random people? I wish the second book wasn't just entirely within the Void, though, it sort of sidelined all the potential character interactions between him and the other characters. He's got good banter with the Maw, though.

>>20727235
Zac having no personality is kinda baffling because the author has shown he can write personality. Hell, he wrote a more entertaining unga bunga character with Billy. He's just sort of refused to make Zac anything except "protagonist dude who's kinda grumpy I guess".

She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0_ts21uha0

>>20728519
WRONG board sorry

>>20727054
The closest thing I can think of would be a litrpg with multiple competing systems based off totally different rules.
Which actually I'm surprised I haven't seen, you'd think it would be an obvious expansion of the theme but maybe it triggers number autists to not have everything fit into a neat bundle.
>standard rpg quest exp levelup system
>another one that's a calvinist "no leveling, powe4 decided entirely at birth"
>another one where you only level by killing people, and you get all the levels of anyone you kill
>one where you have to solve abstract meaningless puzzles, trivia questions, and math problems to unlock skills

Actually, hilariously enough the only story I can think of that does this is Reverend Insanity

>>20727457
Bakker
Sanderson

>>20727879
Another moron filtered by Bakker.

Whats a book that captures op pic feeling? I like swamps, they're mysterious

>>20728901
Probably The Two Towers.

I understand this question is a meme, but what fantasy book is seriously like Dark Souls? Nobody can give me a straight answer, ever. No Berserk/other comic books.

>>20728300
Not even the worst sex scene he's written, somehow.

>>20728924
Nothing will ever make you feel the same way again.

>>20728924
So you want an apocalyptic gothic book with a silent protagonist on a journey who dies many times before defeatimg his enemies. The focus is on the battles and everything else is extraneous.

>>20728603
>The closest thing I can think of would be a litrpg with multiple competing systems based off totally different rules.
>Which actually I'm surprised I haven't seen, you'd think it would be an obvious expansion of the theme but maybe it triggers number autists to not have everything fit into a neat bundle.

I think I've seen a few stories with elements that would fit. Many litrpg monster stories have the monster system be different than the system for normal intelligent races.

From more popular examples, Infinity Realms saga has three different 'focuses.' The system is called 'Framework' and allows for taking a normal class that you Level with essence, Cultivation that requires you to use essence to work on your core with other bullshit things, and the Skill focus that gives you slots for skills that you can then master, highly reliant on your Willpower, with enough of Will you can influence the world around you and forcibly evolve your Skills to higher versions.

The Framework that the characters are using isn't even the only one, but the most recent one, there were other worlds with older frameworks and not everything is compatible between them. One antagonist in particular has a different Framework and power over runs, which no one else has in the newer one.

Some better stories also play with how 'unified' the system is, for instance Delve has the interface of Awakened (people who can level) to be reliant on the person, i.e. the main character is isekaied and sees it similar to normal Computer Game interface with few differences, but natives see it more primitively, a book that only they can see and read in which they can see their stats, or even a person that sees their stats as jars which are full or empty depending on their strengths. In addition, not every Skill works the same for every person.

I think I've seen attempts to make two absolutely different systems coexsisting in the same world, but not any popular story.

>>20728924
I have recommended Lords of Dyscrasia several times when you, or other anons, ask for books similar to shit like Dark Souls or Berserk, but since you actually have to PAY for it none of you will read it because you're all poorfags.

>>20728995
Divine Apostasy SORT of does this. There's being an Ascended, which is what most people are, you have stats and levels and when you die you revive (with stat loss). Classes and abilities are pretty restricted to the god you Ascended under. Diegetically this was created in-universe by the gods to get warriors that were good, fast. There's also, mutually exclusive with it, Cultivation, which is slow-going, you can't revive, but you're much more overall powerful as you grow, though with less specific focus, though you are still somewhat restricted by your own meridians and how many are open, but it's way more freeform with what you do have. Oddly, both have system interfaces and stuff, and it's just how it is so nobody questions it. The protagonist has both because the god he's under did a whole lot of bullshit to make him into a replacement god for the 'True God' that was the teacher of the other gods who sacrificed himself to stop all of the universe dying.

>>20729096
>$20aud for book
Right cool
>$50 usd for shipping
I'm not a poorfag, I just ain't fucking payin' it

>>20729152
It’s on Amazon AU for less than $20 and you can get free shipping if you buy a few more things, such as books, that amount to $39

>>20729152
https://www.amazon.com/Lords-Dyscrasia-Fiction-Book-ebook/dp/B005JES96Y/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1658684809&sr=8-1
What shithole country do you live in, anon? And you can purchase the ebook for 3 dollars.

>>20729169
Thank you, sir. Id rather buy off eBay, but I'll go through Amazon for that price. When I get to the bottom of my current stack, I will cop and post thoughts when I've finished.

>>20726116
What you mean about book 5? There were only three books published, anon. What is this five you are speaking of?

>>20727879
low iq. Every single term introduced in the first portion of the prologue is explained right there.

>>20728924
The Second Apocalypse.

>>20729096
Not paying for your book, shill.

>>20729517
Poorfag

>>20729533
>paying for a book so garbage the author needs to shill on 4chan
no thanks.

>>20729517
>>20729548
>>>/v/

>>20729560
seethe.

How does this filter so many people?

>>20729568
I don't know. That opening had the opposite effect on me.

>>20729548
Poorfag

>>20729568
First line is fine, 4th and 5th paragraph are fine. The rest is just "Here's a bunch of proper nouns" thrown at the reader.

>>20729568
because the absurd, retarded names with all those stupid umlauts make my eyes slid right off the page without any interest in whatever the actual content of the text is

I don't fucking get it. I've been trying to get into fantasy and more genre-fiction, I have a fairly enjoyable and straight-forward but challenging experience reading stuff like botns and tpon which people often call the hardest fantasy books they've ever read. Then I try dipping my hands into something people call easy like Stephen King and I have to close the book because I am for some reason unable to read it, I just can't read it. I try something popular like stormlight and don't even know what on earth is going on in the story or why I should care.
Before I was just a sci-fi reader when it came to genre fiction and regularly enjoyed "pulpy" stories like the martian or whatever but not being able to do so for fantasy is annoying me so much, it's like I open some books people call easy and my mind just goes blank, I don't see the story.
Like could I be biologically incapable of reading a Stephen King book for example? My parents like him but I asked my siblings and all of them admitted to me that they can't read him either.

>>20728300
I remember that part in the Elfstones of Shannara

>>20727235
>>20727261
>>20727323
I really wish I could understand how my taste works when it comes to novels.
For example, I can acknowledge that dotf is objectively not a great story. I even agree with many of negative points listed here. But I still enjoy reading it.

Primal Hunter is really similar to it. But I hated it. I can even list some of my issues with it.
Uncaring MC for 99% of the story, then suddenly he is worried about his friends/family. His stupid unbelievable relationship with a billion(!) years old god. The invincible tutorial end boss, which he defeats with his multiverse unique bloodline.
Yet, other people can bring up similar points about dotf, while defending PH. But somehow, they don’t bother me in that story.

Anyway, I second dungeon crawler carl. Also, 12 miles below because I haven’t seen anyone talk about it here.

>>20727879
Every single one of the made up words is explained right after its introduced. Sometimes even in the same, or following, sentence. I'm not sure if them sounding phonetically weird is intentional, since bakker does a bunch of stuff to distance himself from a lot of expected fantasy convention in the beginning.

>>20729631
>>20729643
filtered lmao

>>20729631
Every single one of these terms is explained right there in the text.

>>20729568
Holy based.

>>20729643
>Filtered by umlauts
>Speaks ONE language
Many such cases.

Buddy, for real though. And not just for your, but anyone else reading this post: You are objectively low IQ if you don’t speak at least 2 languages. And 2 is the bare minimum. 3, at the very least, will qualify you as someone worthy of commenting on names and neologisms.

>>20729568
Daily reminder that Ishuäl is pronounced Ischúél

>>20729926
i'm not a filthy angl*id you stupid muttmerican

>>20729973
>Accusing me of being an American, or anglo implicitly.
Non sequitur.

Is the First Law series worth reading?

>>20729973
I wasn’t asking.

Funny how i never even once read anything ITT that made me want to read bakker. Quite the opposite in fact.

I've not read any Wolfe before but I just bought this on a whim. Is it an okay starting place?

Why is this fucking retarded Janny literally deleting posts that have done absolutely nothing even remotely related to Bakkerposting?

>>20730018
>fucking retarded Janny
Sometimes the answer manifests itself.

>>20730005
Nope.

>>20730018
Friendly reminder that he keeps his eternal watch FOR FREE.

>>20730018
https://www.4chan.org/feedback

Do your part.

>>20727664
Ursula K. Le Guin, Left Hand of Darkness. That's what came to my mind but you probably already knew that one.

>>20722531
>Sri Lanka boy banger
That's Arthur C Clarke.

>>20730018
Even with Bakkerposting, one can certainly argue that only blatant copy pasta should be deleted.

>>20730058
>he thinks mods have ever read feedback
How new?

>>20730083
>calling jannies mods
Not as new as you, probably.

Why was my post deleted?

>>20729659
What color is BotNS, what does it taste like, what's the texture?
Personally, I say it's fog colored, tastes like cool mountain water, and feels like a silk shroud.
All those are synesthetic translation of the "feel" of the book. I find that good, or maybe just experienced, writers produce stories with a definite feel, so that within a few paragraphs I get a strong sensation of the character of the work and the writer himself. It's one of the strongest reasons I read anything, and some writers just leave a bad taste in my mouth, literally. Some books don't have it at all, and it's usually a sign of either a very inexperienced writer, a translation from another language, or just substandard prose.
Sanderson and King are sort of like that for me, too wordy and bland to really get a grasp on, not enough character in the writing to enjoy. It's been a while but from what I recall, King was just a general sensation of musty paper smell and stale air, and Sanderson didn't have a sensation at all.
It's not a be all end all, I really like some books with no taste, and while BotNS had one of the stongest sensations I've read it wasn't really to my taste, too smooth and translucent, felt like I was half dreaming and delerious the whole time.
If you want a purely taste based fantasy rec I'd say dragonriders of pern was pretty good, though I read it a LONG time ago and it's not what I'd call generic fantasy.
Sword of Shannara was also good, though I dropped it after a few books.
Sabriel and the sequels are also great, as are shades children and the seventh tower.
And his dark materials also had a neat smell, kind of a metallic musk.

>>20730087
Why would janitors read feedback or have any say-so whatsoever?

>>20730042
Why not?

>>20730143
Because it’s shit.

Does anyone recall a archival collection of books that was sorted by decades? I'm having trouble finding it again. I found it right before they were going to release the 2000's to 2010's. I coulda swore I found it on /lit/ but can't remember.

>>20729096
>paying money for the most pirateable media in existence

A long low moan, it seemed to hang above the battlements, lingering in the black air, soaking deep into the bones of every man who heard it. All along the castle walls, sentries turned toward the sound, their hands tightening around the shafts of their spears. In the ruined halls and keeps of Winterfell, lords hushed other lords, horses nickered, and sleepers stirred in their dark corners. No sooner had the sound of the warhorn died away than a drum began to beat: BOOM doom BOOM doom BOOM doom. And a name passed from the lips of each man to the next, written in small white puffs of breath. "Stannis, "they whispered, "Stannis is here, Stannis is come, Stannis, Stannis, Stannis."

>>20728924
I've looked for it a lot and what I mean by dark souls is creative dreamy worlds full of oddities and complex self contained things, not a knight walking around and killing things which most seem to interpret my question as. Most fantasy I'm recommended by people just seems to be characters talking about nothing with a bunch of characters you barely see again and then fighting, with the authors more interested in the nobles, the currency system and magic instead of the strange world or small stories within stories. You've probably already been recommended it here but gene wolfe and jack vance are good

what are the best versions to get of tolkien’s work

>>20730235
Poorfag

>>20730235
This is not a very good argument. It’s literally easier and quicker to just buy the book, so why should I care if money is not an issue?

>>20730005
If you have taste, yes.

>>20730184
https://archived.moe/t/thread/1023504

>>20730277
Plebeian.

>>20730294
>It’s literally easier and quicker to just buy the book
>checking out on amazon is quicker and easier than typing a name and clicking twice on a search engine that's in the fucking sticky
Post nose.

>>20730321
>checking out on amazon is quicker and easier than typing a name and clicking twice on a search engine that's in the fucking sticky
Yes.

>>20730340
>Yes.
When did amazon implement mindreading and one click buy functionality?

>>20730354
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-Click

just give up, buddy.

Just pirate the book first then buy it if you liked it. Not paying for it initially allows you to judge it bias free and prevents you from forcing yourself to read a shit book you paid for due to sunk cost.
Unless you have so much money it's literally an unoticable amount of expenditure of course.

>>20730362
>is the technique of allowing customers to make purchases with the payment information needed to complete the purchase having been entered by the user previously.
>needed to complete the purchase having been entered by the user previously
Oops, that's not one click.

>>20730381
Accept defeat.

>>20730373
Piracy is something you should do regardless of finances because buying things without knowing the seller is malicious does nothing but enable bad practices. Piracy is literally necessary to be a decent human being.

>>20730005
Very much. yes.

Bastion MC is kind of a wimp. Don’t know if I’ll be reading much more of this.

>>20730388
All I accept is your concession.

>>20730419
Not my problem.

Why does the janny hate me? They keep deleting my posts.
What the fuck is this.
I'm not breaking any rules.

>>20730429
https://www.4chan.org/feedback

>>20730428
My victory nonetheless.

>>20730441
I wasn’t asking.

Returning to the topic at hand, I've been reading the Menocht Loop lately. It's pretty good, I like the world, but I feel like the author isn't quite sure at times where to take the story, and since it's serial fiction ends up just starting down a path, and then backtracking which is annoying. The subtle allegory about the perils of AI alignment are pretty neat, though.

>>20730443
I don't care.

>>20730429
He dislikes all Bakkerbros. But notice how he never deletes Sanderson shitposts?

>>20730270
What are you getting them for? If you just need something to read, anything will do. If you want something that looks pretty on your shelf, there are quite a few luxury versions

>>20730005
Honestly, no there are better reads out there. The first law is a shittier version of The Black Company.

Sup /lit/

I’m sure these kind of questions are frowned up on but I ask for kindness.
I’m going on holiday soon and would like something good to read. Problem is I’m not exactly sure what I want. Something surreal and strange. Like reading a Zdzisław Beksiński piece. Expedition sort of sounds like what I’m after, any Recs on that? Thanks I’m advance.

>>20730626
Piranesi or The Black Company maybe

why do we have a resident schizo in this general?

>>20728924
BotNS

>>20730604
>The Black Company
It's trash, you can't even compare it to the first law.

>What should we call the leader of the company
Uhhhhhh the captain
>What's interesting about him
He's the leader (that's it)
>He dies, who takes his place
Uhhhhhhhh the Sergeant
>What's interesting about him
Nothing lmao

Glen cook is a hack

>>20730429
Seething tranny jannie hates us bakkerchads

>It's shit

IT or the stand as my first Stephen King book?

>>20730626
Blindsight is pretty strange

>>20730872
We don’t care and it’s sad and pathetic that you can’t decide on your own.

>>20727411
Oh, it's another bicurious fag bashing post.

>>20730890
I know it’s pathetic but I have kids and I barely have time and they’re both big investments

>>20730872
It involves a bunch of kids taking turns fucking the one girl to unlock powers to make a bad malevolent clownmonster thing go away.
The Stand involves a cripple forcing a man to give him a handjob at gun point and ends with a literal deus ex machina.

>>20730872
The one with underage orgies obviously.

>>20730923
>>20730927
Which one has more racism

>>20730915

how do i write a retarded character

all my characters are too smart

>>20730961
Just bee urself bro

>>20730915
Really doubt it if your on 4chan.

>>20730915
>I barely have time
Maybe you'll have more time if you don't waste them here.

>>20730872
The Stand is the only must-read King.

>>20730966
own

>>20729447
You probably dropped the series with Iron Gold but Dark Age is unironically as good as if not better than Golden Son. I'm sorry you got filtered.

>>20730989
Thanks

>>20730961
Smart characters can put evidence together, dumb characters can't. Or at least not easily.

>>20730665
It’s more than one, but i assume they got banned.

>>20731012
It's called the Red Rising Trilogy for a reason. A Trilogy is three. Not five. Still don't know what this Iron Gold you are talking about. Red Rising concluded perfectly.

>>20731104
>muh semantics autism argument
kill yourself

>>20731128
Did you like Darrow's literal tranny son? Is that why you are defending Iron Fag so much?

>>20731131
>Filtered by Iron Gold
>Doesn't get to experience the war kino that is Dark Age
Sad!

>>20731168
>loves Darrow's faggot son and the cyberpunk knockoff
>sad!

>>20726882
I really enjoyed Old Man's War for what it was. It was light, quick read. Nice breather.

>>20730961
Read Flowers For Algernon.

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New

>>20731742
Not even page ten, retard.

New thread
>>20731768

>>20731771
Not even page ten, retard.

>>20731771
Nice art.

>>20731758
>>20731797
>Not even page ten, retard.

>>20722822
I liked it a lot but I have shit taste. I enjoyed having only POV and just getting to see him go through the rebellion. I didn't really like the 2nd part though, felt like bullshit where the author undid all the progress from the first 3 books to drag the story out for money.

>>20730757
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