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The story sounds like a chuds wet dream and I refuse to participate in in any of that shit. Henry iv is still shakespears best work

>>20706370
>The story sounds like a chuds wet dream
Yes. That's why it's his greatest work.

>>20706399
Then touch grass and read Fyodor Dostoevsky you wretched /pol/ faggot.

>>20706335
I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>20706418
>anglo saxon tragedy bad
>russian taxi driver good
No.

>>20706335
Finally someone who agrees with me. At the very least Coriolanus is Shakespeare (Edward de Vere)'s best-constructed tragedy. Nothing goes to waste.

>>20706335
Hamlet for all the rapture that critics give it, leading us to distrust, is the undisputed great work of Shakespeare

>>20706370
Have to agree here; Antony and Cleopatra a close second. MacBeth, Lear, Othello round out the top 5. Favorites include Richard ii and Merchant of Venice. Hamlet, Henry v, and Tempest in top 10.

For me it's the clever, snobby b*tch Portia, bros. Wish I could get around this..

>>20706936
I dispute that.

>>20706335
https://youtu.be/ab4pHsj33OA

>>20706429
Why did he love Coriolanus so much? Disdain for plebs?

>>20706335
>>20706370
Weird, neither of these look like The Tempest, which is actually Shakespeare's best work

>>20707006
>Antony and Cleopatra a close second
Ask me how I know you both have shit taste, AND don't actually *watch* theatre

>>20709573
Gee, anon, how is my taste so shit? Can't submit proofs with respect to the second allegation, obviously, but blow your horn anyway. Genuinely curious

>>20706418
Triggered, snowflake?

>>20706335
VGH

>>20709879
It's not bad in terms of the actual language, Antony's monologue after his loss at the battle is some kino shit (I performed it a few times back in school, which was a lot of fun), but as a play it's poorly structured. Scenes just transition from one to the next with nary a semblance of proper pacing or flow. It's especially evident when watching a production of it.
Saying it's shit is hyperbolic, I'll give you that, but compared to pretty much any other Shakespeare work (say, Julius Caesar), it's just worse as an actual piece of performance theatre.
Inflammatory sniding aside, I'm actually curious why it's your favourite, I don't think I've heard anyone express that opinion

>>20709242
Tempest is one of the best comedies, Coriolanus is one of best tragedies.

>>20710795
Two texts--
>Most devious is the heart; It is perverse--who can fathom it?
17 Jeremiah 9
>The heart wants what it wants or else it doesn't care.
Emily Dickinson, Letters
And that's the play, in a nutshell; what's not to love? That Antony will never be King (nor Cleopatra Queen) is *probably* a good thing but.. I have moments of severest intensity (perversity?) when I would this were not so.
Do /you/ not feel active involvement in all of the plays? I listed 10 for a reason, anon
Yeah, the one production of A&C I've seen (I've seen two productions of Pericles) was at best mediocre

>>20706335
Though great, not even the best Roman play

>>20706418
>Then touch grass
Why don't you go and pound sand! *becomes flustered*

>>20706370
those who do not share this opinion inherently hold their manhood cheaply.

>>20711594
Coriolanus and Julius Caesar rhyme. A man killed for disdaining the pleb and a man killed for loving the pleb. It's rather poetic.

>>20711192
Kind of a copout answer, but I guess it's not as if you owe me a reason. I just fail to see how it's anywhere near Shakespeare's best work

>>20706335
it has "anus" in the title

Cymbeline is best sorry smokey

>>20706335
>thus I turn my back
>There is a world elsewhere.

>>20706335
Absolutely based. I never understood why it never gets the love it should

>>20713616
It filters libtards who then feel the need to overly politicize it instead of intellectually empathizing with the character (e.g. >>20706370). They usually back it up with a pretentious air of condescension (e.g. >>20706418)--that's always their M.O. though.

>>20706335
I liked Tight-Ass Androgynous

>>20714176
>blah blah blah libtard blah blah
Interesting take.

Coriolanus is great but Henry IV pt. 1 is better.

>>20714277
>made fun of for politicizing
>only word quoted back is "libtard"
>made fun of for reflexive condescention
>writes "blah blah blah" as if it's a retort
>made fun of for being pretentious
>ACKTUALLY, HENRY IV (Part 1, of course)...
Poetry.

>>20714345
>making fun of people for being pretentious in a Shakespeare thread on /lit/

>>20714983
That last post was making fun of you for being a predictable retard. Cope.

>>20711673
And then there's Antony and Cleopatra, where two potentates first forget but then kill themselves; finally, Titus Andronicus, where everybody kills everybody else..
To die for love here, to love to kill there: with these the rhyming's internal

>>20713079
A reason? Who cites 'reasons' for their preferences? Did you even bother to consider my response? Look at it again

>>20714190
Cornholeanus is superior

>>20709235
he was a contrarian, he called Hamlet an artistic failure
inb4 contrarian faggot "it was actually a le failure hurr"

>>20716761
is there any legitimacy to hamlet being a failure?

>>20717064
Read the essay and decide for yourself:
https://books.google.com/books?id=SCfHnLwWg2MC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=%22Hamlet+and+His+Problems%22&source=web&ots=cq01aXo2KC&sig=gkcaDTGsWPk-1C-vh1f0MNMGRa4&hl=en#v=onepage&q=%22Hamlet%20and%20His%20Problems%22&f=false

>>20715473
My nigga, you basically said you liked it because you liked it, and because it made you feel involved with the happenings of the characters, which you yourself say can be said of pretty much all Shakespeare. Which is why it still baffles that you somehow hold it as the best Shakespeare play, when every quality it lacks is present elsewhere, and everything it has is more plentiful there too

>>20717387
>when every quality it lacks is present elsewhere, and everything it has is more plentiful there too
Kek. Occasionally in the sea of pretty girls around you, or, if you prefer, 'pretty persons,' one strikes your consciousness in such a way as to render the rest well nigh invisible, and this despite the fact QED in your own words, if for a several porpoise (sic).
No doubt reasons could be ascribed in the foregoing instance?
I do like that you were just intuitive enough not to allow me to cast you in the role of Octavian outright (with that intro) although I freely admit that was what I was hoping to be able to do; ultimately, however, you do require what he does, i.e. a kind of false clarity (from me) that you're pre-disposed to reject, so why bother?
Though I cannot make this clear with rational immediacy, *dialectically* (the way of theater iinm) I think you'll probably get it, eventually.
No doubt my taste's still 'shit,' which, of course, etc.

>>20710795
>he watches/reads Shakespeare for the play’s structure
What a pseud, Shakespeare excels in the characters he creates, and Antony and Cleopatra has tow of the most fully realized characters. Shakespeare’s plotting and structure is rather poor in most of his works, also you make the mistake of thinking Shakespeare is meant to be seen when it can also just be read and enjoyed simply as literature rather than theater and there are reasons to believe Shakespeare and those that read him in the following century thought so too.

>>20716761
Twas desu