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20701637 No.20701637 [Reply] [Original]

New LotR book covers. I'm feeling a little angry about these, not gonna lie.

>> No.20701644

>>20701637
>inb4 it ain't real
https://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Boxed-Set-TVTie/dp/0063270927/

>> No.20701655

>>20701637
I don't get it. What's your issue? LotR is the capeshit of genre fiction. Of course it's a huge corporate sellout and they'll reissue new editions to coincide with their next big IP stunt/release.

>> No.20701665

I cannot give less of a shit even if I was constipated

>> No.20701679

>>20701655
>LotR is the capeshit of genre fiction
I hate midwits so much, it's unreal.

>> No.20701691

>>20701679
The only midwit here is you (OP) for thinking LotR is above all this corporate capeshit stuff it spawns.

>> No.20701702

>>20701691
it very obviously is, flamebait-kun

>> No.20701712

>>20701655
That'd be Game of Thrones tho

>> No.20701719
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20701719

>>20701691
Can't wait until your kind of person fears opening their mouth again.

>> No.20701726

>>20701655
>LotR is the capeshit of genre fiction
it's the capeshit of capeshit?
how does that make sense? (Barring how it's wrong)

>> No.20701727

>>20701719
That's exactly what capeshit does. All you've done is established LotR has the same motives as capeshit.

>> No.20701731

>>20701727
>t. midwit

>> No.20701734

>>20701727
>That's exactly what capeshit does
does what?
you're not some redditor that thinks superhero comics are modern day epic poems and mythologies?

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20701790

>>20701637
Here's the other new cover.

>> No.20701799 [DELETED] 
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20701799

>NOOOOO WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO SELL MY CAPESHIT TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T BASEMENT DWELLING DRUIDS LIKE ME
>NOOOOOOOOO

>> No.20701808

>>20701799
"People" like you should be picking cotton.

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>> No.20701827
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20701827

>>20701719
Post the full paragraph dude.
>https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59d68c02c534a5079b390c38/t/5c2d3e3f575d1f37b45d4750/1546468936692/the_letters_of_j.rrtolkien.pdf#page167

>Letter 231
It's Letter 180 last I checked.
>https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59d68c02c534a5079b390c38/t/5c2d3e3f575d1f37b45d4750/1546468936692/the_letters_of_j.rrtolkien.pdf#page249

>> No.20701828

>>20701637
>shit fantasy book
>shit fantasy cover
why are you mad op? only good thing tolkein ever wrote was the hobbit anyways

>> No.20701829

>>20701823
>Sovl
That's not the point. They are trying to canonize their dogshit show with this.

>> No.20701835
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20701835

>>20701734
surely you’re not some redditor that thinks lowbrow fantasy books are modern day epic poems and mythologies?

>> No.20701843

>>20701827
>what is humility

>> No.20701846

>>20701827
Damn. Looks like the dude who posted the other image should eat his own shit for being intellectually dishonest with his quotes.

>> No.20701848

>>20701835
>lowbrow fantasy books are modern day epic poems and mythologies
Is there any real equivalent
I remember people saying superheroes are, but even when I was a comic book obsessed kid(and still kinda am) I knew that was bullshit

>> No.20701851

>>20701843
>what is humility
Something that few people have, honestly.

>> No.20701870

>>20701835
lowbrow fantasy isn't, but lotr explicitely was.
Also, if that's not what you were saying, then what did you mean by "thats exactly ehat capeshit does"?

>> No.20701882

>>20701846
Didn't make it, so I didn't double check but the sentiment of the image I have posted remains true.

>> No.20701892

>>20701882
No it doesn't because the first half of the quote completely cuts it down as well as the last single word sentence.

>> No.20701897

>>20701892
His noble intent remains.

>> No.20701903

Most fantasy is shallow trash.
But putting Tolkien in that category reveals you're a midwit. That is all.

>> No.20701915

>>20701897
The second to last sentence even encouraged the idea of corporate capeshit spinoffs
>The cycle should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama.

>> No.20701918

>>20701846
>tolkien being humble means that lotr is a superhero movie

>> No.20701932

>>20701915
>corporate
Fuck off, midwit. I've had it with your blubbering.

>> No.20701946

>>20701932
Lol you're just mad that Tolkien undeniably envisioned and planned for something like The Rings of Power to happen.

>> No.20701948

>>20701915
you simply don't know what a mythology is. Lovecraft said the same thing about his worlds, and that standard is the standard of greek myth and the arthurian cycles. People have been adding to them since their inception.
ironically you think literature should be is closer to actual capeshit.

>> No.20701986

>>20701948
Perhaps you're unaware that this thread started in anger that someone dared to do what you're describing, and Tolkien is quoted to having envisioned, with The Rings of Power. The OP is mad that the covers of this LotR edition are inspired by The Rings of Power and advertise The Rings of Power. Or perhaps you're OP, in which cause you are retarded beyond all hope, and thus your actions make sense.

>> No.20702004

>>20701948
What you just described is exactly how capeshit is planned and written

>> No.20702010
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20702010

>>20701790
Nice artwork.

>> No.20702029

>>20701986
>>20702004
>>20702010
You retards are severely overeducated for that meager IQ of yours. Shouldn't even have been taught to read and write.

>> No.20702044

>>20701986
>pretending to be retarded

>>20702004
>greek myth is super hero movies
I almost forgot it was summer

>> No.20702074

>>20701903
This, Tolkien is the only fantasy writer with any literary merit at all.

>> No.20702096

>>20702074
stop shitting up the thread with shallow b8

>> No.20702121

>>20701679
these books are boring genreshit written for children. get over yourself dork.

>> No.20702134

>>20702010
The only things worth reading by Tolkien are
The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
Tales from the Perilous Realm (collection of his novellas (non-LOTR) and a few other things)
That's it

>> No.20702139

>>20702074
People actually think fantasy has any merit outside of Tolkien?

>> No.20702165

>>20702121
why in particular does being called a midwit make you mad enough to reply to the same post twice

>> No.20702166

>>20702139
Sadly, yes.

>> No.20702170

>>20702139
A few but most of them came before him

>> No.20702204

>>20702165
>reply to the same post twice
You're an actual midwit and I'm one of the people defending Tolkien.

>> No.20702206

If I was going to collect his books, I'd choose the ones with covers from his own drawings. I've got a box set from the 70s. I don't like movie tie-in covers, but whatever.

>> No.20702207

>>20701727
This is just obvious shitposting at this point

>> No.20702212

>>20702139
Few and far between but yes there are

>> No.20702223

>>20702207
I don't know. There's a lot of these young fucks who really think they are hot shit.

>> No.20702229

>>20702139
>Borges doesn't have merit
I'm starting to see why the spammer saying capeshit

>> No.20702236

>>20702229
Disregarding Borges and Wolfe is extremely retarded.

>> No.20702250
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>>20701915
Your brain has been colonized by corporations if you think a shared universe anyone can add to is the same thing as a franchise

>> No.20702255

This is why I’m glad we are breeding whites out. You cry over shit like this when we were enslaved by you

>> No.20702269

>>20702250
Explain the difference then. I don't think you can since you couldn't articulate it in your reply.

>> No.20702276

>>20702236
Borges, yes, Wolfe, no.

>> No.20702282

>>20702269
Unironically lurk moar.

>> No.20702287

>>20702276
Bad take.

>> No.20702288

>>20702255
Holy fucking based anti-Yakubian
If this is what white genocide is supposed to be then yeah, they're a soft pussy race

>> No.20702310

>>20702282
>proving his point
You need to (((lurk moar))). This is /lit/, not >>>/b/ or >>>/pol/. Here we actually explain our points instead of calling someone a heckin epic insult and then patting ourselves on the back for the epic takedown.

>> No.20702320

>>20702310
Not at this level of discussion, no. Disproving someone either so stupid or bad faith is simply not worth the effort.

>> No.20702343
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20702343

These are still my favorite. I don't care what anyone has to say.

>> No.20702450
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>>20702139
he's not even the most merited english fantasist

>> No.20702479

>>20702450
He’s literally the father of fantasy.

>> No.20702492

>>20702479
No.

>> No.20702503

>>20702479
he literally isn't and he would tell you so himself

>> No.20702586

A lot of people here bashing on him, but unfortunately Tolkien was the greatest author of the 20th century.

>> No.20702618

>>20701655
This image is going to stick, you know. A hundred years from now, people would get the mistaken notion of "woah, black people-centred media are soothing and kino, take that racists" while back when LoTR books and movies were being made, black people were still doing jungle things

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>>20702586
He's not even the greatest british fantasist of the 20th century

>> No.20702647

>>20702618
Serious question. Have you ever met a Black person? They don't act like what you're describing.

>> No.20702663

>>20702636
>muh masturbatory prose

>> No.20702673

>>20701637
What's wrong with having black people in LoTR?

>> No.20702699

>>20702663
If you're gonna open some pithy canned criticism at least know what it means first.

>> No.20702716

>>20702699
>hurr durr
He's got nothing on Tolkien. Cope and seethe.

>> No.20702721

>>20702673
there are already black people in lotr so that isn't the issue, gaslighter

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>>20702716
>cope and seethe
ironic

>> No.20702824

>>20702811
>no u
Very gay and very cringe but not surprising, considering your sad sensibilities.

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>>20702824
>I'M NOT P-PROJECTING, YOU ARE PROJECTING!

>> No.20702915

>>20702721
What's the issue then?

>> No.20703402

>>20701719
is lotr the last great epic that's been written?

>> No.20703423

>>20702479
>Father of fantasy
Let's just ignore the works of William Morris, who Tolkien even stole the Names Gandalf and Shadowfax from. Mervyn Peake also came before Tolkien, and was a better writer in nearly every regard.

>> No.20703448
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20703448

>>20701679
This.
>>20702121
>t. Midwit
>>20701637
The only good cover art for them was Daryl k Sweet

>> No.20704318

>>20703423
>These guys came first and were better
>Can't describe any of their books
Many such cases

>> No.20704337

>>20704318
I can describe the books perfectly fine, but that wasn't the objective of my post. I shouldn't need to write a critical essay in a thread just to say that other fantasy authors were better and came before someone touted as "The father of Fantasy";-- which is a title that Tolkien himself would have called you a retard for giving him.

>> No.20704350

>>20702647
>They don't act like what you're describing.
lmao

>> No.20704360

>>20702915
There's no literary warrant for things like black elves and hobbits

>> No.20704369

>>20701691
Based midwit

>> No.20704470

>>20701637
I hate all movie/tv tie-in covers. I know why they exist. I still hate them. A sticker is more than enough.

>> No.20704497

>>20703423
Of course there's been fantasy since the beginning of literature, e.g. Epic of Gilgamesh.
>While many other authors had published works of fantasy before Tolkien, the great success of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings led directly to a popular resurgence of the genre. This has caused Tolkien to be popularly identified as the "father" of modern fantasy literature—or, more precisely, of high fantasy.

>> No.20704701
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20704701

>>20701637
>(((Hollywood))) adaptions

>> No.20704748

Tolkien was refuted by Mitchell Heisman

>> No.20704767

>>20701808
>>20702029
I must say I love your style

>> No.20704777

>>20704701
Thinking about Flanagan ruining Frakenstein just gave me an anxiety attack. I still haven't recovered from Turn of the Screw

>> No.20704779

Recently watched the trilogy
The only based characters are Gollum, sauron, Aragorn, and the two hobbits (not Frodo/sam - v gay)

>> No.20704930

>>20701726
genre fiction doesn't mean capeshit. are you retarded?

>> No.20704981

>>20704360
Cultural accuracy fulfills that just fine

>> No.20705003

>>20704777
I have bad news for you concerning The Fall of the House of Usher.
Yeah, blackrock is strong in his work. I'm not a student of film, but the horror bar must be low if his self-indulgent fanfiction passes for a masterpiece.
The only thing that makes me happy is that he's self-aware enough to look in the mirror and know his jew wife is only with him for job security.

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>>20703448
wird es nicht machen

>> No.20705585

>>20701679
Greetings from Kazakhstan.

>> No.20705643

>>20701637
I despise Hollywood so fucking much. They truly tarnish everything and I wish they would fuck off and stop ruining books.

>> No.20706055

>>20704981
>Cultural accuracy
wtf does that mean?

>> No.20706175

>>20702636
Who actually cares about this guy's "muh ambiguous morality" characters or "le dementia writing". There's a reason why he's never going to be as famous as Tolkien outside of /lit/ circles.
>hehe LOTR is pozzed now.
Who gives a fuck about Bezo's Globohomo fanfic though.

>> No.20706315

>>20706175
>"muh ambiguous morality" characters or "le dementia writing"
what the fuck are you babbling about?
who convinced you that people read Peake because he had dementia?
>it's not a mainstream success so it's bad
you have to go back

>> No.20706321

>>20704318
you're the dumbest nigga in a thread of dumb niggas

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20706331

>>20702269
I'll explain it anon. Shared universe amongst contemporary writers are fuelled by creativity. Franchises are fuelled by money.

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20706415

>>20702010

>> No.20706560

>>20706415
This reminds me of a remark that an anon had made on /tv/.
About how ridiculous "Gimli son of Glóin son of Gróin" sounds.

>> No.20706570

>>20706560
And also with Glóin's brother, Óin.

>> No.20706586

>>20704497
>myths and epic poems are fantasy
stop

>> No.20706607

I think we should use our collective powers to start spreading a targeted slogan around the internet: “don’t shit on lit.” Instead of focusing on the obvious race-b8 casting, “female empowerment,” or any of the other political aspects of RoP, “don’t shit on lit” is more generalizable, attacking all shitty bad-faith corporate adaptations of literary masterpieces. I’m tired of seeing works of genius desecrated, robbed of aesthetic and philosophic value, and reduced to superficial sensationalist entertainment.

>> No.20706618

>>20702010
>>20706415
The Silmarillion is bad. The history in the Lord of the Rings makes the world feel real because it isn't fully developed. It was there in Tolkien's mind, it was something that he actually worked out, but in the Lord of the Rings it isn't presented int a complete form, it's there to serve the story, to give the world depth through the working of your imagination. In a lesser (modern) fantasy work, you'd get all the details on everything to fill out the "lore" requisite, but Tolkien did not use it that way, and it elevates his work. Having everything then spelled out for you like in a history book in the Silmarillion just deflates all of it. He was correct to not publish it. It ruins LotR.

>> No.20706636

>>20706618
>The history in the Lord of the Rings makes the world feel real because it isn't fully developed
I always find it funny that Tolkien popularized the idea of autistically overdetailed fantasy world histories when he couldn't even decide what orcs were

>> No.20706653

>>20706618
that's why you have children of hurin which is what he was working towards in his late life - a more "human" scaled telling of the events of the first age
a shame he didn't live another 10 or 20 years, imagine the kino we would have gotten

>> No.20706658

>>20706618
>He was correct to not publish it.
But Tolkien really wanted to publish it. The only reason why The Silmarillion wasn't published during Tolkien's lifetime was essentially due to the publisher.
>Having everything then spelled out for you like in a history book in the Silmarillion just deflates all of it
That concern is actually brought up by Christopher in The Book of Lost Tales 1; in its Foreworld.

>> No.20706663

>>20706618
For example take this poem about in LotR

>Gil-galad was an Elven-king.
>Of him the harpers sadly sing;
>the last whose realm was fair and free
>between the Mountains and the Sea.

>His sword was long, his lance was keen.
>His shining helm afar was seen;
>the countless stars of heaven's field
>were mirrored in his silver shield.

>But long ago he rode away,
>and where he dwelleth none can say;
>for into darkness fell his star
>in Mordor where the shadows are.

It's evocative because your imagination has to work with it, and it helps the story feel real because the characters talk about it like people would talk about actual history, referencing it as things they would know about but. They don't turn it into a historical lecture for the lore autismo reader. Of course the Silmarillion gives you all the details on all of this bullshit to the point it isn't moving anymore. It loses its magic.

>> No.20706675

>>20706618
>>20706663
I'll add that fantasy can also fall into the reverse trap, where it doesn't go into autistic detail on everything, but what it does express, it does it in a dry manner that doesn't leave any mystery and just feels like the author spitting out names he made up with no reason for you to care. Most fantasy is awful.

>> No.20706680

>>20706663
you didn't find the ainulindale, the story of doriath, the fall of gondolin, the nirnaeth arnoediad, and the war of wrath to be magical? anon that sounds like a (You) problem

>> No.20706911

>>20706331
The comics marvel movies are based on are the former.

>> No.20706951

>>20701637
i don't read hardcopies of old stuff if i can't have old book smell. this is non-negotiable.

>> No.20707086

>>20705325
>herr der der
opinion discarded

>> No.20707091

>>20705325
>dur hur dur
lmao

>> No.20707162

>>20705325
>der herr der
kek

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jeff bezos trolls /pol/

>> No.20707980

>>20701637
Which box set of LOTR should I buy that will let people know that I don't tolerate melanated people?

>> No.20708283
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20708283

>>20707980
This is the one I have and I like it

>> No.20708325

So just buy old hardcover ones

>> No.20708329

>>20708283
Sexy

>> No.20708349

>>20702343
same got the set for really cheap one time and they're my favorite covers I own, have them on a shelf above my PC and it makes me happy

>> No.20708358

>>20702647
lol cuck
KYS

>> No.20709309

>>20708325
it will never go back to old designs without black people

>> No.20709499

>>20701637
i'm surprised they didn't put a monkey hand on the front of one of them

>> No.20709976

Guys, do i need to read the hobbit before LOTR?

t. new /lit/ard

>> No.20709981

>>20709976
You should, it's super small you could probably get through in a weekend.

>> No.20710011

>>20709981
thank you based high IQ anon

>> No.20710069

>>20709976
Yes, read the hobbit before LOTR

>> No.20710120

>>20709309
Most of the nice covers are still in print. It's not like they can only have one at a time.

>> No.20711770

>>20706663
I find the silmarillion is still vague enough that I still find these passages evocative when they appear in lotr. Do you also take issue with the RotK appendices for "ruining" thr mystique of Rohan and the northern kingdom?

>> No.20711788

>>20701637
Why is her chainmail so poorly made?

>> No.20711812

>>20701827
based and quotepilled

>> No.20711818
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20711818

>>20701637
In sweden we have these covers for the books
A illustrated cover will always look better than a shitty photo

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>>20702343
>part one
>part two
>part 3

>> No.20711980

Did anyone else stop looking and made his only concern that of avoiding all exposure to new media? I've learned about the new Dune movie from here and I haven't even seen a trailer. I remember that several years ago I used to check trailers for new movies; I don't bother anymore. It's like I've given up on the present and the future and I cling onto a past that is disintegrating in real time.
I have conversations with zoomers/leftists occasionally and according to these people literally everything I know that was given for granted in the past is wrong, and things are the opposite of what I know and they always were. They do not say that I have come to the wrong conclusions based on the facts at hand, no: it's the very reality that I perceive and learned about that is wrong on a fundamental level. I cannot think of an instance in the past years when someone disagreed with me in terms of logic or any other grounds but these: I can only remember being told "no no, the facts you have learned in school and university were wrong, so your conclusions are wrong". Everything I learned and studied is wrong and I need to be educated (again). Reality itself has been updated and I did not get the memo.
Then the people here say I have not actually read 1984 whenever I quote the relevant parts of the book. I have this horrible anxiety, like I'm in a Body Snatchers sort of situation.

>> No.20712856

>>20711980
Are the Dune books any good? The movie was really boring and the worm didn't appear until the very end of the movie.

>> No.20712893

>>20712856
I have read only the first one and I liked it, but the characters are intentionally very wooden because it's so far into the future, so it's not going to be a fun read if you need relatable characters.

>> No.20713030

>>20701719
We're really living through a legit cultural genocide right now.

>> No.20713062

>>20702618
why are you like this?

>> No.20713087

>>20706618
>The Silmarillion is bad.
A terrible take.

>> No.20713391

>>20701655
SPBP. The only reason these "people" like LoTR anyway is because they use it as an ideal for all their autistic little fantasies about racial purity and race war.

>> No.20713430

>>20711980
>I have conversations with zoomers/leftists occasionally and according to these people literally everything I know that was given for granted in the past is wrong, and things are the opposite of what I know and they always were.
Name two or three examples. I'm curious, because I feel like you're just making this up. Also you can't use trannies as an example. That's too obvious and overplayed.

>> No.20713448

>>20713430
He's right.
t. zoomer who almost lost friends over mentioning that democracy sucks

>> No.20713483

>>20713448
Expand on that. You're being too vague. Let's hear what you really said.

>> No.20713496

>>20713483
That's it, really. I explained why it doesn't work as well but those arguments immediately got filtered by all the social comformity and "democracy good" programming.

>> No.20713526

>>20713496
What were you explaining and what were you advocating for chud. I am guaranteeing you went full autismo and started talking about traditionalism and fascism, or you started ranting about Monarchy and enforced serfdom.

>> No.20713537

>>20713526
>chud
You're not worth any elaboration.

>> No.20713542

>>20713537
Oops. Did I hit a sore spot? So you were ranting about traditionalism, catholicism, and fascism, weren't you?
Also, you aren't worthy of friends.

>> No.20713590

>>20713448
>>20713496
This also happens but that's not what I was talking about. A very typical example for >>20713430 (who probably knows exactly what I'm talking about and only wants to start a bad faith argument) would be with the Christian religion. It's simply unacceptable for the leftist to believe that Christians at any point in history actually believed in God: everything in the Christian sphere was done as propaganda to manipulate the people. I've been in conversations where the leftist simply could not accept that idea. This ONLY applies to Christianity somehow. When I talk about Buddhism as an example of institutionalized religion turning into a money-making scheme they immediately feel offended and argue that Buddhism literally never held any power at any point in time. But Christians? It was all evil manipulators who used religion for crowd control. This is probably the most heavy-handed example but there are tons of more subtle ones that are less obviously politicized, yet still obliquely touching some sort of politics that the leftist needs to protect. In any case the pattern I refer to is
>Thing was never X at any point in time, instead it was Y. It only started being X when this beautiful age of industrial totalitarianism kicked in: we live in the best times and literally everything before now was worse, etc.
Examples of note outside of the Christian one are:
>Artists were always starving bohemians (this is FALSE, artists were generally well respected craftsmen and were usually people of decent if not great standing in any era until the last couple centuries)
>Women were literally all unhappy until the XXI century, every single one of them, because they had to make kids and be women. Women are only happy when they're single and promiscuous and they do mens' jobs badly.
>Only Western history is bloody, other countries were actually peaceful and evolved while we did barbaric things.
And so on. It starts when you mention an opinion that stems from one of these facts, then the leftist says not that your opinion is wrong but that very basic fact is wrong. You say you have a degree about this and they say you learned lies, and things are this other way instead because that's how it is and the truth is some flavor of wypipo bad, Western civilization bad and warlike and imperalist and held the whole world bad, everyone else good and perfect and never did anything wrong.

>> No.20714317

You guys may troll and bait here but there are legit persons out there who think capeshit is the modern mythology AND the better of them all because it is a global one. It's not nordic, greek, mesopotamian etc. it is human mythology. It is sad but I guess the boundaries of autism were broken long ago, in a distant land where Aku, the shapeshifting master of retardation unleashed an unspeakable eeeeeeeeeevil. But some foolish onions boi stepped forth to oppose him. But he gaped his mouth and liked the capeshit and here we are today. Isn't the circle of life marvelous?

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>> No.20714431

>>20701637
Books for kids.

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>>20702343
Tolkien drew these himself. The originals are even better.

>> No.20714571

>>20714479
>Tolkien drew

>> No.20714583

>>20701637
>I'm feeling a little angry about these
Aww did da bwack pypo in youw book about Elves and wizards upset little chuddie? so sad. let me get you a cup of warm milk and a bwankie.

>> No.20714708

Everything aside, the worst part of the nigs of power is judging from the interviews how stupid the producers are.

>intends to make a series about events that happen in the silmarillion
>buys the rights to LOTR instead
>changes the sexes and races of many of the character
>Galadriel is now some warrior lady
>Elrond is some short beta male that complains about Galadriel being better than him
>Isildur is no longer a hero but some stupid king that wanted to keep the ring all for himself
etc.

Did these guys even read the source material? They're just exploiting people for their money and using an already well established story to promote political correctness and twist it off into some completely new modern shit.
God.. and I thought Peter Jackson couldn't make things worse in the Hobbit movies.

>> No.20715155

>>20714317
Capeshit is very close to mythology. It serves the same purpose of instilling morals and creating "fantastical" history. The only thing it really lacks is capeshit stories don't explain phenomena or how things came to exist in the world, nor does it establish a mythological history of a people. The closest capeshit comes to that is with Captain America. Thor and Hercules would count, but they already existed in mythology outside of capeshit.

>> No.20715167

>>20714571
ESL alert

>> No.20715186

>>20701655
>>20701665
>>20701691
>>20702121
>Hurr it doesn't matter, it was always actually terrible anyway so why are you made

Massive cope and gaslighting as usual.

>> No.20715197

>>20715186
These are books made for children, anon.

>> No.20715520

>>20714583
Redpill me on warm milk. I already know I like blankies though I seldom use that word.

>> No.20715615 [DELETED] 

>>20715520
Taste good helps you sleep, when I'm taking a break from coffee I drink warm milk with honey

>> No.20715644 [DELETED] 

>>20715197
All fiction is made for children, thats why its based

>> No.20715686

>>20701637
>I'm feeling a little angry about these, not gonna lie.
because your dopamine receptors are fried from consooming facebook schizo collages 16 hours/day. you go out of your way to find things to spike your blood pressure. very sad existence

>> No.20716035

>>20715644
>All fiction is made for children
No, but this one is.

>> No.20716050

>>20716035
>getting immersed in worlds that do not exist
Inherently childish and there is nothing wrong with that

>> No.20716285

>>20713062
"Why are you like this", he says. You remind me of Kronii...

>> No.20716329

>>20701637
>I'm feeling a little angry about these, not gonna lie.
What's your issue?

>> No.20716863 [DELETED] 

>>20702636
He is Chinese not British

>> No.20716880 [DELETED] 

>Lewisfags: Love Tolkien, MacDonald, Chesterton, Donne
>Tolkienfags: One book to rule my pitiful existence
Guys I love him too but come on
Don’t be potterfags

>> No.20717101 [DELETED] 

>>20702636
my uncle looks like mervyn
I guess you could call it... peake performance

>> No.20717104 [DELETED] 

>>20716880
tbf I agree, I also like Tolkien's work a lot but people treat the guy like a religion in himself
Some people just get so blinkered by their passion for a text that they refuse to accept that any others might have any merit at all

>> No.20717123 [DELETED] 

>>20717104
what language do your trees speak, bitch?

>> No.20717372 [DELETED] 

>>20717123
Fingallian

>> No.20717644 [DELETED] 

>>20701637
TLotR was never a good fantasy book. It was always just a pioneer and nothing more.

Let's be honest. Just go through the book and ask yourself this simple question
>is this fantasy
>is this real world with minor adjustments
and you will very fast realize that Tolkien is just like paint on real world fiction. Tolkien did a good job to get fantasy rolling, but his books would be considered just fiction with minor fantasy elements in the current year, if Tolkien wouldn't be on the cover.
In fact if you would remove all "races" and just call them all human, Tolkien would maybe even feel like real world fiction in a medieval age.

>> No.20717874 [DELETED] 

>>20714571
Yes?

>> No.20717928 [DELETED] 

>>20715155
Capeshit is exactly modern mythology, which is an indictment of modernity instead of mythology or a literary mythos

>> No.20718251 [DELETED] 

>>20706618
There's plenty of unexplored history in the Silmarillion

>> No.20718262 [DELETED] 

>>20706586
Shit like The Iliad and The Odyssey are basically fantasy books

>> No.20718338 [DELETED] 

>>20701948
Not that guy and I love Tolkien but you seem to have a terrible misunderstanding of what mythology actually is. Someone can’t just create mythology, it doesn’t work that way and it also has religious-ritual aspect which again can’t exist in a “mythology” made to sell books. You should read authors like Eliade or Calasso if you are actually interested in understanding what mythology is, what purpose it serves, and how it comes to be.

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>>20702586
>but unfortunately Tolkien was the greatest author of the 20th century.

get real angloid

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>>20706415

>> No.20719575

>>20701719
wow, This. Is. Disgusting
got about halfway through till he say LOTR was dedicated to England and "the Hitler parts of Europe"
I'd tell you losers to have sex but we all know that aint happenin

>> No.20719588

>>20714317
>AND the better of them all because it is a global one. It's not nordic, greek, mesopotamian etc. it is human mythology.

you should blame angloid universalism for that, enjoy worshipping minorities john smith

>> No.20719705

>>20706607
reminder that trannies managed to get people cancelled for doing the OK hand sign because someone spread the idea that it meant "white power" or something like that
literally nothing can save you from trannies dogpiling on you. terms of service are completely worthless, trannies decide what "hate speech" or "offensive content" are on the spot and because they are the sanctioned agents of the globohomo, you will be deplatformed. You can't explain this shit to normalfags because nobody wants to hear your unhinged rants about the system no matter how obvious it is that there were zero niggers among the ranks of the vikings and yet in this TV adaptation half of them are niggers and the other half are women, which is a fucking travesty. They know it but they don't want someone to tell them because it makes them nervous. All you can do is to stop even looking at that shit, distance yourself from it. If there's a natural place near where you live you go backpacking there or if you're brave enough you hobo it up and do like Forest Anon (God bless him).

>> No.20719714

>>20701655
>LotR is the capeshit of genre fiction
genre fiction is the capeshit of genre fiction

>> No.20719738

Reminder that tolkien isn't taken seriously or considered literature outside angloid lands.

>> No.20719747

>>20719540
Looks yummy.

>> No.20719757

>>20719738
>literature outside angloid lands
Heh

>> No.20719765

>>20719757
I respect the english and their body of work, but it had to be said. American hegemony sometimes blinds english speakers to the wider and much richer dialogue going on outside their view.

>> No.20719908

>>20706415
Seethe, cope, and dilate harder tranny.

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>>20719757
heh

>> No.20720672

>>20711980
Yes. You can't trust fucking anything or anybody. You just smile and nod and pretend you agree with people. It's not just "zoomers" or "leftists" anon. It's nearly everybody. It is a very real Invasion of the Body Snatchers scenario. I don't believe it's possible to safely use smartphones without ending up exactly like these people. The sad part is that even if you can get people to agree with you, they'll just flip back to their old programming right after the conversation. Not even shitting you. They'll agree that injecting poison into their arm is a bad idea and then they'll go and get three boosters.

>> No.20721326

>>20701655
Please neck yourself immediately

>> No.20721569

>>20717644
>Tolkien is just a pioneer nothing more than that.
>fiction with minor fantasy elements
Ok George, its time to get Winds Of Winter done. No need to be shitting on Tolkien in a basedjack site like 4chan.

>> No.20721643

>>20701719
Tolkien was so awesome