/lit/ - Literature

>>20669451
That was a terrible list. Try

Herodotus
Thucydides
Strabo
Polybius
Pausaninas
Plutarch
Livy
Tacitus
Machiavelli

>>20669455
Bro are you retarded? Of course he has them in the bibliography that’s not the point. The point is he had so many guys that are now meme authors on /lit/.

>>20669510
Fuck off

>>20669510
Who are you trying to impress ?

>>20669522
Nobody I just thinks it’s funny.

>>20669510
none of those people are /lit/ exclusivrs, they're just more obscure than Plato or Kant lol

>>20669605
True but the fact that guys that are now considered marginal show up in a very highly praised work is exciting to me. It basically proves that we are not crazy for finding value in authors that the current mainstream dismiss as “schizo”.

>>20669643
You're incredibly stupid. These are world famous authors.

>>20669659
Why are you seething? you think I don’t know that these guys are famous authors? The point is that many of them are considered “problematic” by today’s standards and dismissed as untouchable or entirely outdated by the latest science. Imagine trying to cite the majority of them in a modern university. Of course I recognize that Durant is old too but he’s still respected more or less by history enthusiasts. Why I think it’s cool is that is one of my favorite authors and a respected figure shares a lot of my same tastes.

Think of how dominated the OP is by buzzwords and meme ways of "framing" discourse instead of just saying the thing

Getting a zoomer up to the human baseline of speaking in normal propositional language instead of filtering everything through 15 layers of stock phrases they heard on social media is probably the same level of difficulty as getting an average person from 50 years ago up to a mystical awakening or Buddhist enlightenment. A lifetime of effort, except for zoomers it would only get them to what used to be the normal default human experience.

>>20669729
ngl I'm kinda glad you're feeling happy for discovering this. you give off a positive vibe

>>20669451
thanks for sharing something unexpected, genuinely didn't think he was capable of that

>>20669451
Stupid fucking newfag. Hope you kill yourself sooner rather than later.

>>20669913
I am OP and I literally don’t understand what your talking about, I might be actually autistic. Can you try explaining what you mean again. If I am genuinely brained damaged it would be better to know.

>>20670003
Why are you so mad?

No idea why spergs are seething ITT

>>20670050
Yah I kinda thought people would find this as cool as I do. But maybe I am a sperg?

>>20669451
He's a product of his time. Not many American historians did quality work. The masters of history were French, German, English, and the Americans had a few individuals like Beard who could do a little good work because they had good training. Most schools in the United States didn't become leaders until after the Second W. War and that's only due to the massive influx of intelligentsia migrating to the US on top of a massive investment in University infrastructure with the GI bill and all these boomers going off to school. Americans produced few historians of note until the second half of the twentieth century.

He didn't really know enough about history or the philosophy of history to do research and he certainly didn't read the leading historians of his day. You won't see him cite the leading figures of European history, but rather easily digestible syntheses in the library. He wasn't clever enough to read outside of English where most of the hardhitting work was done before the 1950s. We would describe him as being an English chauvinist. He was a third rate popularizer who fully embraced outdated ideas and coupled them with modernization theory that gave liberals (free trade/equality types) a warm sense in their bellies about the unique role of the US in a world increasingly dominated by radical proletariat revolutionary movements.

>>20669729
>imagine trying to cite the majority of them in a modern university
Literally the only one who might give you trouble is Carlyle. Frazer, the Bible, Schopenhauer, and Spengler are fair game. Guenon, Jung, and Hall will get you laughed at but you're not gonna get canceled for it. You need to experience the world through something other than a sperg forum for incels with a persecution complex.

>>20670098
I don’t know man I like Durant even if obviously his stuff is more pop history aimed for the general public. I thought it was pretty good considering it covers so much time and I find it’s very uplifting. Anyway who would you suggest instead Mommsen, Hippolyte, Toynbee, Barzun?

>>20670129
Maybe but I’v asked other people about Frazer and they basically said they he is debunked and not to bother.

His project is cool but I’m Not a fan of his superlative prose. Have tried starting multiple times but doesn’t compute for me.

>>20670146
Right now I'm reading Von Ranke. I never see him get mentioned in history threads