/lit/ - Literature

There's already a JP containment thread up desu
>>20641934

>>20648237
I would go straight to Ragnar Redbeard. Peterstein is a bit gay bth.

>>20648237
Start with Piaget

>>20648237
No. Read Campbell before you read Peterson.

>>20648237
Where did you start with Jung? I don't think he's that hard to get into, but I guess that depends on which of his writings you started with. I would recommend Man and His Symbols, as Jung wrote that books specifically as an entry point into his thoughts for the general reader.

Having some context into Jung might also help, in which case Jordan Peterson's lectures on him might be helpful.

>>20648237
>We'll see who cancels who
I thought the whole benzo debacle was peak Peterson, but I see this train has no breaks. And he was just a guy who had good advice for young confused men

>>20648237
he's gone full schizo recently.
Just watch one of his recent videos on youtube and compare it to his old ones
He's a self-centered manipulating asshole now. He used to be humble and his opinions were filled with integrity and authenticity.
Now he is literally in ful manlet rage while spouting his incel opinions (even if he is right about women not being men and men not being women)

talk about a fall from grace

>>20651333
When JP started getting popular I remember watching a bunch of his interviews and lectures and finding them worthwhile and important against the woke nonsense. He still has some valid points for sure. Then you watch his recent stuff and just cringe. It's weird man. Did they MK Ultra him in Russia or something?

Long time fan but I've unsubscribed from his Youtube this week. Pretty much done with the guy now. He's served his purpose. When he stays in his lane and sticks to clinical psychology and Jungian interpretations of religion/myth, then he's a genuinely inspiring and captivating speaker. As far as I'm concerned he's gone full grift now and is only out for more money. He regularly makes a fool of himself these days but has enough acolytes now to keep the money rolling in.

>>20648237
>is he worth reading
No. Nor is Jung. They're both just obscurantist hucksters trying to make you feel good about living impotent lives of masturbatory fantasy

>>20651489
Calling others out for nonsense doesn't mean you actually have anything worthwhile to say yourself

>>20648237
He has a new show on Ben Shapiro's online streaming service, where he apparently gets angry about trannies even more than he used to and makes no references to clinical psychology.

He's found something lucrative, at least.

Hugoesque

>>20651489
No, he was working for globohomo from the very beginning. Controlled opposition to de-radicalize.

>>20651909
Peterstein is already worth more than 6 figures. The fact that he isnt retiring means that he is a convicted ideologue. UN agenda21.

>>20651918
>convicted ideologue
He is just the case study narcissist. Imagine being a marginalized loser all your life and suddenly have everybody either worshiping or hating your guts. Makes you feel important. Fills that void better than any drug ever will.

>>20651900
I despise how much wanking people give to Jung. He's the least helpful way to understand mythology.

I remember trying to watch the post-coma Joe Rogan interview and had to turn it off early on. He started by making really vague statements about how the climate was fake or something. More recently he was suggesting that Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine was "woke." The man seems to just be telling his core audience what he thinks they want to hear. Which is a real shame, because the older stuff was actually interesting.

>>20651958
>He started by making really vague statements about how the climate was fake or something.
He's literally paid by oil lobbyists now.
>More recently he was suggesting that Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine was "woke."
He's your typical pandering conservative grifter that people eat up, complete with being paid by big oil and always cowardly beating around the bush. Notice how you said he gave vague statements instead of just outright saying, that's his modus operandi and a lot of people eat it up because they fetishize aesthetic moderates.
I'm sure he gave a lot of guys some good advice, but after you put on a suit just to make a video to complain about your twitter ban for 20 minutes, it's time to move on.

>>20651918
More than 7 figures actually. Maybe even more than 8 by now.

>>20651975
>He's literally paid by oil lobbyists now.
source?

Dailly

>Treat yourself like you are someone you are responsible for helping
Guess he's a misanthrope
>Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
Guess he likes grifting single mothers
>Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world
Lol
>Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient).
Lmao
>Be precise in your speech
Speech patterns like a demented old wingbat

>>20648237
he doesn't even follow his OWN FUCKING ADVICE

мéтa

>>20651981
I might've been wrong, he just reads and repeats books written by Exxon funded
https://www.desmog.com/2022/01/28/jordan-petersons-climate-expert-is-science-denier-funded-by-oil-backed-think-tank/
Though he did rub arms with Texan oil billionaires, so who he does lean towards them
https://torontolife.com/city/jordan-petersons-weird-family-empire/

>>20651927
>>20651975
>>20651990
Look at these leftoid midwits. Attacking the Peterstein not realizing he is one of the best opponents to have, bc he's paid and guided by the same people that pay for rainbow porn on your TV, books, and cinema.

>>20652048
so nothing. remind me not to treat anything you say seriously.

feriante

>>20652049
I'm not attacking him from a leftist perspective, I'm attacking him because it's like you said, he's a certified zogbot

>>20652048
>"I worked with the UN committee that wrote the secretary general's report on sustainable development"
Peterson on Rogan's podcast some months ago.
Yup, he's definitely being paid and has a bigger effect than he should
>>20652049
Shut up faggot

>>20652055
What do you think of >>20652084

I’ve read King Warrior Magician Lover recently and it’s based off of Jung’s work. Having never read Jung before it was really easy to follow and interesting.

Da'esh

>>20648237
JP is worth reading if you are a middle/upper class, college educated, anime-watching American dude with a bad diet who doesn't feel quite motivated.

>>20652121
The dregs of society

坎卢普斯

>>20651478

It's sad to watch. His wealth and fame's totally destroyed him. He's the public intellectual equivalent of a lottery winner who ends up turning their boon into their life's biggest problem. He's literally been braindamaged from his success.

>>20648237
There is no alpha in reading him

>>20651489
The whole benzo debacle probably destroyed him financially so he had to sell out to the Daily Wire crowd

>>20652636
He was always part of that crowd

>>20652636
>benzo debacle
Extreme withdrawal from a doctor-prescribed medication.

lmao

>>20652663
so you know he has his shit together!

>>20652698
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
Liberals hate him because he is critical of their bullshit, trannies hate him because he won't accept delusions as reality, racists hate him because he isn't an identitarian, and pseuds hate him because he's a media figure. You will never accomplish anything on the level of even just one of those things listed above.

>>20652706
lmao what are you his mom?

>>20652716
>REEEEEE
Former student. But at least you didn't go with "YOU THINK HE YOUR DAD" like most retards.

>>20652729
don't forget to buy a rug lol

>>20652733
He's more accomplished than you will ever be (>>20652706). Cope.

>>20652706
>racists hate him because he isn't an identitarian
His stances fit well with being against civil rights acts that say businesses should serve everyone regardless of race, and he backs off and cowards when someone brings it up to him

He went on someone else's youtube show recently and he acted like such a humongous child trying to change the subject and screeching about trannies, he really is the type of guy to post here and that's not a good thing

>>20652761
last time he was on Rogan he said some dumb shit MULTIPLE times, mostly about stats and Rogan went; "hold on, that sounds pretty unbelievable. Jamie can we check that?"
Jamie: "yeah that's not true whatsoever"

he's a shell of a man. Imagine getting corrected by Joe Rogan simply logic in a field he doesn't know shit about

>>20652647
But he significantly amped up his political commentary from around 2019 onwards, especially on things that weren't even tangential to either his field or to the incident that brought him to fame.

>>20652706
And yet for all these accomplishments a random comedian destroyed his political worldview by simply point out that he's both for the civil rights movement and also for the right of business owners to serve whatever customers they wish (but not if they're black)

>>20648237
is it 2018 again

>>20652747
you don't know me

>>20652751
>>20652782
His stance is that identitarianism is a horrendous ideology and governments using the force of law to mandate thought is the antithesis of democratic order. He's right. Simple as.
>civil rights movement
We don't have state-sanctioned segregation anymore so that's a false equivalency. In reality, radical ideologues are attacking the institutions of democracy under the guise of having the moral high ground. Just look at the hyperbole surrounding the SCOTUS decision on Roe v. Wade--Democrats are characterizing one of the three pillars of American Democracy as "radical and extremist" and encouraged the intimidation of justices to the point that one of them came close to being assassinated. You can even look at the Trudeau government enacting dictatorial powers over a bunch of truckers with a bouncy castle. Talk about "civil rights" when you can square those circles.
>>20652818
I don't need to.

>>20652836
>We don't have state-sanctioned segregation
Yeah, and private individual-sanctioned segregation isn't allowed either. Yet Peterson the individualist is in the "don't bake the cake" camp. Unless it's about race. Then a racist bar owner has to let in black patrons.

>>20652836
ah the fruits of peterson's stewardship

>>20652841
discriminating based on race is bad lol

>>20652847
Either a business owner can choose which patrons to serve, or he can't. Peterson wants to have it both ways: don't bake the cake if you're a Christian baker, but do let in black patrons if you're a racist. And if you do, then the state has the right to punish you for this. He's literally contradicting himself.

>>20652851
not on race he can't, no

>>20652854
Yeah you don't get to make random exceptions that are convenient because it fits your particular tastes. If a Christian baker can discriminate, then so can a racist. There is no qualitative differences except your subjective judgment that discrimination based on race is somehow worse than discrimination based on sexual preference.

>>20652859
it's not a taste it's being a decent human being. who are you to comment on God's creation like that?

>>20652841
Again, that's a false equivalency and a distraction away from Peterson's actual position. There is no widespread ostracization of homosexuals that entails the government setting precedent through the curtailment of rights and mandating of thought. It's a clumsy power grab that has already done extreme damage to public trust and the institutions of government. Aside, do you really think faggots not being able to buy a cake is an example of why government-mandated speech is necessary, especially when they could easily obtain a cake from some other bakery and probably get a discount on it? Give me a break.

>>20652265
>>It's sad to watch. His wealth and fame's totally destroyed him.
perterson was a cuck whining his wife died lol, and that's from the beginning

but atheist ''men'' are so desperate for a spiritual daddy they didnt even care lol

>>20652870
petardson is a dummy anyway

>>20652842
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
Simple as. I don't care if he filmed one video when his office happened to be cluttered years ago. Cope.

>>20652874
See >>20652879. He's accomplished a lot more than you ever will and can speak from a level of authority and experience that you will never achieve. Simple as.

>>20652879
QQ psychology isn't even a real science anyway

>>20652870
>do you really think faggots not being able to buy a cake is an example of why government-mandated speech is necessary, especially when they could easily obtain a cake from some other bakery and probably get a discount on it?
Peterson certainly seems to believe that government-mandated forced association with people you don't like is justified given that he plainly admits the civil rights movement (desegregation) was a good thing. Do you honestly think Peterson would agree with a hypothetical society where, of their own volition, nearly every restaurant and bar started to ban blacks? They can go to the 1% of bars that still allow blacks! (And before you reply something like "that would never happen", it's basically how America worked before forced desegregation)

>>20652866
Completely irrelevant

>>20652887
see >>20652818

>>20652892
no, it's very relevant

>>20652892
>civil rights movement
I already explained why this is a false equivalency ("We don't have state-sanctioned segregation anymore..." >>20652836)
>Peterson would agree with a hypothetical society
You're giving a false hypothetical instead of dealing with the actual point Peterson is making: the government shouldn't be mandating thought and speech as doing such is the anthesis of a free and open society.
> before you reply something like
I explained why it's a distraction and a false equivalency above. We don't have state-sanctioned segregation and you're arguing that we should have state-enforced speech. Basically, you're arguing for intellectual segregation while imagining a boogeyman that doesn't exist.

>>20652896
>you don't know me
Because you're unimportant. This >>20652887.

>>20652926
>I follow the herd!

OK

>>20652889
Tell that to the patients whose lives he improved, pseud.

>>20652917
You're the one who keeps mentioning "freedom of speech" and "government mandated speech" as if I ever mentioned those things. I merely pointed out that Peterson is a hypocrite.
>Christian bakers can refuse to service homosexuals
>racist bakers can't refuse to service blacks

>>20652939
>I follow the herd.
Keep repeating "her penis" into the mirror.

>>20652941
Should have stayed in his lane lol

>>20652948
>uh shit how would /pol/ respond in this situation?

>>20652942
>I merely pointed out that Peterson is a hypocrite.
I pointed out why the civil rights movement from over half a century ago is a false equivalency and a distraction from his main point. You can't address the actual point of what he's saying so you keep trying to slide and reassert your example is relevant while not responding to the criticism of it. You're a retard.

>>20652966
Peterson's still a hypocrite >>20652842

>>20652958
>internationally famous best selling author selling out lecture halls all over the world
Cope.
>>20652965
Oh no! Not /pol/?!?! Is /pol/ ITT with us?!

>>20652983
wojacks, very convincing

>>20652983
millions of flies can't be wrong!

>>20652966
>a distraction from his main point
You don't get to decide what constitutes a "distraction" and what constitutes an intellectual contradiction that invalidates the rest of their worldview. Peterson the staunch individualist suddenly changes his tune when it's about white racists. You're the retard for thinking you can just talk about any other random topic during a discussion and pretending the actual discussion is about this random thing you just pulled out of your ass that's irrelevant to what we're talking about and then declaring victory

>>20652971
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
Imagine cherry-picking an image that's already several years old as if that sets a precedent that undermines everything else he's ever done. Pathetic.

>>20653000
imagine throwing away your career to deal in twitter hysterics

>>20652997
I pointed out why it isn't a contradiction and why it's a slide. You haven't answered those criticisms. Again, the point is state-mandated speech and state authority over the dissemination of information. We aren't in 1950s Georgia, anon. You're retarded.

>>20653002
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
Throwing away his career? Holy cope.

>>20653019
lol I broke the bot

>>20653012
>the point is state-mandated speech and state authority over the dissemination of information
You made that the point while nowhere in my posts did I ever mention this. Just admit that your daddy is a hypocrite. He himself couldn't deal with being confronted with this flaw in his reasoning and you can't either
>I want to talk about Peterson defending government-forced desegregation
>well, I want to talk about the Supreme Court! So you're a retard!

>>20652988
>>20652994
Whoops, I used the wrong one. Keep crying about /pol/.

>>20653022
>You made that the point while nowhere in my posts did I ever mention this.
No shit, retard. The point is that you fail to address this and distract with a counter-example that isn't relevant. The point is that you're ignoring the central basis of what he says in order to force a hypothetical that I've already offered criticism toward (and you've failed to address). Context is important. We aren't living in the southern US circa 1960. There's more to what he's saying than a cherry-picked example of faggots trying to buy a cake 5 years ago. The point of what he's saying is that draconian laws that undermine the fundamental rights and liberties of individuals in the name of false utopia are the antithesis of the free and open society that has allowed us to come this far. Simple as.

>>20653025
keep crying because i besmirched your e-daddy lol

>>20653055
See >>20652729. Get some new material.

>>20653063
maybe stop simping for morans first

>>20651946
Nobody reads Jung to understand mythology what the fuck

>>20652971
aren't we all?

>>20648237
Only people that care about that goof are troons got embarrassed by him almost a decade ago

>>20652087
>yup he's definitely...
Still nothing

>>20652698
>having your shit together grants you immunity to medical addiction

>>20654357
it would have in this case, since if he had his shit together he wouldn't have needed the medication in the first place

>>20654357
how postmodern of you

>>20651478
>>20651489
>>20651891
That's how I feel too. He had something useful to say when he got famous back in 2017 or whenever it was, but now he is just a shameless grifter. He doesn't have anything more to add to any discussion and is just milking his fans, trying to stay relevant by being inflammatory.

>>20654381
>>20654394
He was prescribed medication by a doctor and had a negative reaction to it. The fact you have to spin it as if it's a character-defining drug addiction, while paying no heed to the reasons why he'd be prescribed such medication and intentionally ignoring the laundry list of accomplishments he's made throughout his life, says more about the level that his detractors operate on than it does anything negative about him. He's based. Simple as.

Jung is schizo literature not psychology. The frog had rigorous thought and was versed in philosophy. Also he writes in the most horrible way you can imagine. I don't know why anyone would want to torture himself reading him for fun

>>20654736
>implying it's not

>>20654713
>2017
Oh yeah. Everything since then has just been great and it's no longer necessary to have a high-profile media figure calling bullshit on identitarianism and the attacks on the institutions that have maintained Western democracy. It's not like Trudeau set a precedent for enacting dictatorial powers over nothing and the media/big tech is suppressing information about POTUS and mischaracterizing news items for the sake of those in power.
>>20654756
>It just is though!
Great argument:
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
Cope.

>>20648237
If you want to ease in to Jung, do it through Johnson. He wrote like a dozen books, each of which focuses on one concept from Jung. I read "Owning Your Own Shadow" and enjoyed it, a buddy of mine has read them all. They're easy and go quick.

>>20654781
appeal to authority

>>20654810
>NO! You can't list the reasons he has credibility and standing! That's an appeal to authority! Never mind it's in response to an ad hominem mischaracterizing medication withdrawal as drug addiction and posting that this one thing defines Peterson!
Cope retard.

>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
You will never achieve a single thing in any one area on par with any of Peterson's accomplishments. Simple as.

>>20654863
you probably shouldn't kvetch over arguments and then follow up with a logical fallacy, all I'm saying...

>>20654872
Pointing out a list of various accomplishments that span over multiple decades as a counterpoint to an attempt to repudiate a subject based on an ad hominem that isn't even grounded in fact isn't a logical fallacy, retard. You don't even know what an appeal to authority looks like.
>Peterson is a clinical psychologist therefore everything he says about political issues is correct.
That's an appeal to authority. It would also still be an appeal to authority if I were to substitute "political issues" with "clinical psychology."
>You mischaracterize Peterson as a drug addict and therefore unworthy of his position as a media figure but [see below] over multiple decades. He has earned his credibility.
This isn't an appeal to authority. We're specifically discussing his standing/merit as a public figure. I'm not making the assertion that he's absolutely correct in everything he says or does based solely on his accomplishments. I am saying that his record over multiple decades does lend him AUTHORITY above and beyond what you yourself will ever be able to attain. (You don't even know how informal fallacies work, retard).

Again:
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
What have you done? kek

>>20652706
Literally no source for any of the shit you made up. He was always a loser ideologue, dragging down Jung's name with him.

>>20654969
repeat after me: it's not. an. argument.

>>20654133
you don't know me

>>20654969
he may not be a drugs addict but he's still a fucking idiot who crumbles at the sight of a glass of apple juice lol

>>20651478
Rightoids honestly believe he just woke up and became insane one morning. No one has the intellectual tools to see that the dumb mythology you create to justify your bigotry is going to instantly collapse the minute you achieve any more fame than the average podcast guest. And yeah, If that happens to you and you're too much of a cocky retard to notice, you're going to fall into denial and go insane just as Jordon has. That is 100% consistent with his behavior.

>>20652729
>Former student
yep, there it is, the dynamic of self-identification and emotional manipulation that Petersonian acolytes are trapped in. go wash your dick.

>>20654781
Peterson is far from the only person calling out identitarianism and Trudeau. Why do you act like his opinions are something unheard of? They are barely controversial.
But go ahead and copy paste your list one more time, shill.

The criticism from leftists says more about them than it does about Peterson. Deep down the screeching parakeets know he's a threat to the excesses of their liberalism and degeneracy.

>>20655092
peterson's actions says more about him than anyone could

>>20655092
>he's a threat
Lmao how? What power does he have?

>>20654972
>no source
Extreme cope.
>>20655004
Retard.
>>20655061
Boring. Come up with something new. Here's some OC for you.
>>20655070
>But go ahead and copy paste your list one more time
Sure. It seems to be triggering the pseuds/trannies.

>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world

>>20655110
lobster powers!

>>20655116
you're either a shill or something more pathetic

>>20655092
and your need to support Peterson as a perceived threat to tyrannical leftists and 'liberal degeneracy' shows exactly why he became popular in 2016, he's a puppet for edgy reactionaries. now he's had years to embarrass and discredit himself you simply cannot let him go.

>>20655092
Based.
>>20655110
Well, the MSM has been trying to undermine him since he became well known. They have you retards mimicking their attempts at character assassination.
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
God. You're all so fucking stupid. Imagine seething against a media figure who earned his position by...

>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
>>20655118
>shill
This is the abstract from the infamous lobster paper btw: >>20652729. Maybe you should read his academic work and base your conclusions on that instead of patting yourself on the back for being critical of a message that's been dumbed down for mass consumption. Or just stay pseud--I don't care.

>>20655146
>attempts at character assassination
you're delusional. I doubt you'd put this much effort in if you were simply trolling so I think you may actually be genuine! how sad! no-one needs to assassinate Peterson, he does it himself. i doubt you'd be defending him if he didn't specifically champion your own small-minded ideals, hadn't taught you personally, and directly administered to the washing of your dick.

>>20655160
No, there are many valid criticisms to be made against Peterson. However, you're a bunch of retards who can't come up with them because you can get past his status as a media figure. (Also, some of you are probably trannies).

>>20655160
Why are JBP haters such empty faggots lol

>>20655146
>the MSM has been trying to undermine him since he became well known
He never lost his job, never had any of his social media accounts blocked (until only last week, and it was a block that could happen to anyone, it wasn't because it was him specifically), never had any trouble publishing his books, his books became bestsellers, etc. His rise to fame was completely unimpeded. If MSM really wanted to undermine him, he never would have become as big as he is today.
I'm convinced you are a shill, or maybe even a bot.

>>20652706
>>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
He's neither the single nor the primary author for the vast majority of that material. Given authorship in the academy is a dog and pony show, it's entirely possible he wrote almost none of that material.

>>20655165
sir, this isn't /pol/

>>20655178
/lit/ is the brain of /pol/, /pol/ is the stomach and anus of /pol/

/tv/ is the heart

>>20655185
your just are golem

>>20655175
>It didn't work therefore it was fake!
You're retarded. There was a petition signed by a bunch of faculty at UofT to have him fired, tonnes of articles mischaracterizing his message, a multitude of media articles spreading false information regarding personal affairs, and his book was kept off of the NYT bestseller list on a technicality. Are you one of those "controlled opposition" conspiracy retards?
>>20655176
>He's neither the single nor the primary author for the vast majority of that material
What are you talking about? He was the head of his research team and published plenty of papers as the primary author (aside from working with other very reputable scientists and psychologists).
>Given authorship in the academy is a dog and pony show, it's entirely possible he wrote almost none of that material
"LET ME MAKE A BASELESS ACCUSATION THAT DEPENDS ON BIAS TOWARDS ACADEMIA IN GENERAL WHILE APPARENTLY BEING IGNORANT OF THE FACT PETERSON CRITICIZES THIS AS WELL!" Fuck you're stupid. You haven't read any of his academic papers let alone any of his research. Just shut up.

>>20655185
>/pol/! THIS IS /POL/! ARE YOU FROM /POL/?!
See >>20653025. Come up with something original. If anything, evoking the apparition of poltards just makes you look pathetic. Oh no! Those scary poltards! Are they ITT with us right now, anon? I'm scared! What if they say "YWNBAW" and misgender us?!?!

>>20655185
Sorry.
>>20655178
This was meant for you >>20655222.

>>20655222
Mentally stable and respectable post

>>20655211
>Are you one of those "controlled opposition" conspiracy retards?
I am. He is painted as a rebel but his controversies are very superficial. Ultimately he is entirely harmless to the powers that be.

>>20655240
>person takes action and shoots up sandniggers
>OBVIOUS CIA PLANT! CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!11!
>person tries to rationally convince others of his views
>OBVIOUSLY POSES NO THREAT TO THE JEWS! CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!11!
This is why the right wing lost, and will continue to lose.

>>20655172
>>20655165
>tranny, empty faggots
you both sound like empty tranny faggots

>>20655227
didn't ask

>>20655257
yeah obviously there is no middle ground between being a mass shooter and being a milquetoaste center-right liberal like Peterson. Lol.

>>20655262
my bussy is empty, daddy

>>20651911
That's right. He worked at the UN and Harvard before U of T. He's a shill through and through. Even his life advice is shit. He says some basic common sense stuff like how being a man is a necessity, which shouldn't even have to be said but here we are, and then he goes off the rails. He's only a symptom of a destroyed civilization. If it were not for the normalization of single motherhood, he would not exist.

>>20648237
Honestly so fucking basic. Only revalatory if you're a clueless virgin with no idea about contemporary social values.

>>20652847
kys

>>20648237
Just look at his daughter and you know that his whole "life improvement" is just hot air. He can't even improve his daughter to a "successful" human being, then how should he be able to help you?

Let's face it, psychology is a meme and only there so you can push mentally fucked up people to someone, so you don't have to listen to them yourself.

Also his whole ideology is built around fighting symptoms and not the real problem.
>clean your room
>wash your dick
and all the other shit is mostly just a result of failure.

I would argue that the biggest problem in modern society is the school system, which is just a place where you get bullied and destroyed for life (through trash class psychopaths, psychopathic teachers, the genetical shit show called grades and the hidden implication about your genetical worthlessness if you don't have the best grades, and the list goes on and on). In fact even if you have always A+++ grades, every person in school loves you, you live in a 100 % crime free and loving area, and everything is perfect, even then it is better to just learn through homeschooling. If you reach 18 years, you are prepared for the psychological horror called "society" and you can use your mental strength through homeschooling to deal with psychopaths.

But Peterson never talks about school, because school and grades are the only reason people have problems to begin with and look for self help gurus like him. You could say the suffering and destruction of the "education" system is the only reason useless waste of human air like him can exist.

It's like getting shot in the foot and be crippled for life. Now imagine all people would get shot in the foot and be crippled for life. Now guess what? Retards like Peterson don't say "WE HAVE TO STOP THAT PEOPLE GET SHOT IN THE FOOT!", no. Those grifters say shit like "wash your foot every day", "be nice to people who have a crippled foot", and other useless bullshit.

Until school and grades exist, human society is doomed to psychological trauma forever. There is no solution, because the psychological damage of school and grades is not reversable and at best just hidden inside you and no one can help you after you went through the horrors of the execution... I mean "education" system.

>>20655949
Hey man, I appreciate you. I understand.

I'm glad JP gatekeeps the retards from Jung.
his "schizo" lit is absolutely what /lit/ would wank about if they knew it existed.
Thankfully we don't get retards defending his (poorly) against retards attacking him (poorly)