/lit/ - Literature

When will this culture war nonsense end? It's all so fucking tiresome...

Right wing philosophy is self-contradictory and has no applications in real world

>>20647120
Don't care about traditionalism, I mostly just care about preventing migration of non whites into my continent and maybe creating a pagan transhumanist cult focused on human augmentation.

>>20647120
More like "The 19 year old Larper"

You need to stop thinking in left and right

>>20647120
If one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it’s aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Materialists. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of Tradition.

op if u want to be a scholar why don't u go to college and study history or archaeology and be like mircea eliade instead of reading pseudo-anthropology meme shit written by larp guys.

>>20647142
>>20647144
Truth
>>20647130
>>20647137
Meh, if you need someone to tell you what to think, you were always fucked. I'm not OP, I think his post is cringe, but if its genuine then his young zoom zoom heart is in the right place. Traditionalism is good for the world and if you don't see that, I feel bad for your world! Seeing everything within a dichotomous lens isn't healthy, but man...

>>20647178
>but man...
https://is2.4chan.org/wsg/1656806019705.webm

Extreme vicarious embarrassment from this thread

>>20647185
>VICARIOUSLY, I...

>>20647120
>reactionnary
You should probably learn how to properly spell the names of the movements you're larping as some future visionary in.

>>20647144
Of course, the right-wing label is more of a meme than anything else here

>>20647172
Indeed, maybe you can define what you call "the dogmatic narrow view of the Materialists"?

>>20647176
I'm already taking a tough Maths-Physics degree (specific to France), and I want to continue that way, but my interests led me to get into other fields in my free time, and I get motivated because I want to maybe, later, be a writer or at least contribute to our western world

>>20647198
Live while the whole world dies...

>>20647204
Someone gets it.

>>20647203
>Of course, the right-wing label is more of a meme than anything else here
Then it's a shit meme

>>20647120
To genuinely answer your question OP, physicality is a reflection of the soul. You aren't on the wrong track really, but you seem to have the wrong motives. For example, if you were actually powerful, you wouldn't need to read books in order to gain "power" or "perks", rather you'd read because it is enjoyment. Besides, an intelligent and logical human enjoys gaining knowledge (the only real "perk" books can give out) for the sake of it. Your image talks of psychedelics; You should take them and let them do the explaining. They're better at that than humans.

>>20647219
I'd rather see redneck NPCs than gay NPCs.

>>20647233
Okay but why larp as either?

>>20647236
I don't, I'm not OP, I just see it in real life. I have much more in-common with people who would go to war for basic human rights than queers.

>>20647176
Eliade was highly influenced by these "larp guys" though.

>>20647240
This is a burger issue

>>20647236
>>20647240
Also, you're extremely stupid if you believe the official holocaust and Hitler narrative in the (current year)

>>20647253
You're extremely stupid if you give a shit

>>20647240
ya but antiquity was was gay as hell, christianity is an innovation which in many ways signaled a break with the ancient world.

>>20647228
To be honest I also have that motivation of wanting to discover more, to learn about myself, and maybe someday try to grasp the "whole thing", but sometimes it also feels good to think you are fighting against something, which you can achieve by gaining knowledge.
Maybe, if I can phrase it that way, it kind of works, you learn stuff to get weapons against "the modern world".
It seems to work like the "conspiracy theorist" mindset, who researches stuff to fight "the NWO"
I've taken psychedelics by the way, maybe it has been a little too long since my last trip!
Thanks for your message anon I found it quite inspiring.

>>20647254
>don't seek truth goyim
>on a literature board
Calling me stupid hahaha.
>>20647255
You're not wrong, but traditionalism =/= antiquity.

>>20647265
You're looking for truth on 4chan? Are you completely retarded?

>>20647265
and that's why traditionalism is wack, it's just an incoherent mishmash of orientalism

>>20647262
The real illuminaughty is so goofy they shouldn't even be on your radar, unless you're looking to make useless paper USD shitstained cash that's going down in value every second

this thread and the thread about dicks (which is totally not gay) tell me /lit/ is finished. it's over.

>>20647268
I'm just typing out the truths as you reject them, friend. You seem to be the one who's lost.
>>20647269
>traditionalism is whack yo
Non-arguments out the asshole today huh? "Traditionalism" means a completely different thing depending on who you ask and when you ask. It'd be helpful to define what exactly you're calling "wack". Rejecting promiscuity? Rejecting unhealthy items, rejecting the enslavement of mankind? These are "wack"? Just funny to me

>>20647279
you think pretending to be a hindu is rejecting the enslavement of mankind?

>>20647279
Bro. You're making a fool of yourself here. You should stop and spend some time to reevaluate some things.

>>20647283
Well, its funny that you equate learning to pretending. Its like /lit/ is le leddit these days with the hivemind retardation. Someone must be a larper! Just because someone is interested in a different culture or school of thought, even though the internet is the vastest resource of human knowledge ever conceived, and it'd be a waste to not use it as such until its inevitable deletion...I digress. Learning other languages is good for the brain, and Hindu culture specifically has helped me cure my own ailments without a doctor. So yes, Hinduism in my experience has directly rejected the enslavement of mankind. If you had learned about energy work in the slightest in all of your years of life, you wouldn't even had needed to ask such a stupid question.

>>20647130
Victory or Death.

>>20647298
>enslavement of mankind
What do you even mean by that.

>>20647289
I think you're projecting. My words make complete sense and you're the only one struggling to speak sense. "Bro" lol what are you twelve? Grow up.

>>20647303
>What do you mean (((they)))
Are you new or something?

traditionalism is like that california new age woo stuff but for suburban white dudes instead of hippy aunts.

>>20647324
>t. got absolutely BTFO and has literally nothing of value to say

>>20647120
No because I’m not <=23 years old.
>>20647130
Well it’s either going to blow away within 5 years or turn into WW3 somehow.

>>20647324
You have to define it because as with most -isms it's nebulous. Not like there aren't people who are against miscegenation, for example, but who don't care about abortion or gays. For others it's all about specific religion and its dogma.

>>20647337
>traditionalism is for young men wahhh
Wait until you meet a woman other than your mom.

hey trad bros which crystals are the best for aligning my chakras? i don't want to be enslaved by modern medicine.

>>20647366
Does my wife count?

>>20647367
Hilarious. I believe everyone can see the incompetence on your part. You interpret "Hindu culture" as a Western book on crystals, or you're just effortlessly strawmanning in an attempt to get a rise out of me. It just reveals the state of consciousness you are in. You're mentally and spiritually weak, simply put. I know yoga is hard for you to understand, but Christ man. You didn't have to go all-out exposing yourself like that. Even as a "troll", you're stupid.

>>20647372
No, because she clearly wears the pants.

>>20647203
>(specific to France)
Read Guenon in the original language if you haven't already

>>20647398
This, but I hope this goes without saying as well.

>>20647374
i just think it's funny that you've adopted all these west coast hippy beliefs but call it "traditionalism". do you realize steve jobs, who i'm sure makes you absolutely seethe, was into all this same shit?

>>20647415
Thanks for agreeing its funny! I think you're funny too. I don't follow dogma at all. However, to answer your half-assed assumption, yes I've known that forever. And he doesn't make me seethe. If you asked instead of assuming, you'd know before making yourself look like a retard. Shows how much you know about me and my life. Maybe open your third eye? Pro tip: Turmeric is ancient ayurvedic medicine that decalcifies the pineal gland. I precribe that to you, as your intuition is obviously blotted.

>>20647415
Steve Jobs was actually /trad/
He studied under a Zen Master every day for like 17 years

>>20647426
lmao

>>20647428
ya but u can't play pirated video games on the iphone like on android so therefore it sux amirite

>>20647429
Yeah its pretty funny how wrong you are isn't it? LSD is proof that God has a sense of humor.

>>20647120
This is just another Guenon shill thread...

>>20647398
Of course, I have begun to, it feels good to be able to read such a wise author without the blur of the translation.

>>20647435
do you think the people who own the rights to guenon's writing paid a social media marketing outfit to do it or do these guys work directly for the publisher?

>>20647462
>>20647435
It's kinda weird how a small mention of Guenon always make guys like you seethe, there are lots of other subjects to discuss on such a thread, I believe.
Maybe all those "Guenon threads" should also make u consider the fact that Guenon indeed is brilliant too.

>>20647120
Wouldn't it make more sense to read widely on a variety of subjects, using a variety of sources, and THEN decide where you're ideological commitments reside?

Only reading polemics is a good way to make yourself think you know a lot; I am not sure it is actually a very good way to gain knowledge at all.

If I was interested in mysticism and ontological questions I would start with:

The Great Courses:
>Mind Body Philosophy
>The Science of Information
>Chaos Theory (his book synch is very good but more advanced)
>Philosophy of Science
>Complexity
>Modern Philosophy from Descartes to Derrida
>Economics 3rd edition (if interested in politics)
>Behavioral Economics and the Game Theory course (if you really liked the economics course)
>Political Philosophy from Hobbes to Haubermas
>Mathematics and the Philosophy of Everyday Life
The Conservative Tradition (if you want more politics)

And read:
Routledge Introduction to Metaphysics
Jarowski Philosophy of Mind
Kenney A New History of Western Philosophy (don't try to read it straight through, use it as a reference)
Hoffman, The Case Against Reality
Wilczek, the Lightness of Being (would need some prior physics to get it)
The Ascent of Information
The Blank Slate (good mix of political philosophy and evolutionary psychologists from an author who went braindead from culture war shit later)
Magee's book on the Western Esoteric Tradition so that you have actual historical context since esoterica people make shit up constantly
Meditations on the Tarot (if interested in esoterica)
Kantian Reason and Hegelian Spirit (very good philosophy text despite focusing on theology nominally)
Becker, What is Real? (Intro to quantum mechanics, read before Lightness)
Fukuyama, Origins of Political Order and Political Order and Decay (best volume on the research on state development)


Having gone through a ton of books and like 50+ of those courses (which are easy to find on torrent or often free with an Audible membership), these are the ones I thought had really "big" ideas. Except for the econ ones, those are basic but I feel like actual understanding of economics is critical for people interested in politics and polemics suck for that.

>>20647476
>Maybe all those "Guenon threads" should also make u consider the fact that Guenon indeed is brilliant too.
This is barely English. You are Indian.
>>20647462
I think it's just people with too much time on their hands. But if you wanted to be conspiratorial I can see why groups wanting to deradicalize the right might push "Trad" shit to shift the focus away from race and immigration to "anti-modernism" and simping for brown people.

>>20647485
>simping for brown people
right. "we're going to save western civilization by becoming hindus!" oooh kay. i work with a lot of hindus, i have no romantic ideas about that shit. maybe these kids should get a job.

>>20647485
I'll simp for streetshitters all I want, their street-shitting activities don't change how profound their writings are. Same with desert folk. Doesn't mean we are going to invite them in to our home-country, that's actually the opposite of what Guenon advocated for. Travelling itself isn't harmful, anon

>>20647492
Jealous I'm already retired are you? Lol why would I get a job when the universe provides me everything I need. You truly are lost aren't you? Go play pretend

>>20647482
Thanks anon, I save that as a potential reading list.

>>20647485
cont.
But the reason I don't think Guenon shilling is an astroturfed thing is that according to Google general interest in him is on the decline, and the constant shilling on here in the past years has done nothing much to stop that.

>>20647482
>op wants trad shit
>recommends a bunch of utilitarian bro podcast stuff

nothing against those picks, but if ur gonna recommend great courses there are tons on religion, ancient world, asian history, etc. probably a lot more relevant to the op?

>>20647502
ya but that's why i think it's paid promotion because whoever has a financial interest him knows the cash cow is on it's last legs.

>>20647502
>general interest in him is on the decline
You couldn’t be more wrong
Asmongold saved us

>>20647510
Holy cope
Guenon is the king of /lit/ and there’s nothing you can do to change that

>>20647511
>guenon guy watches mainstream twitch video game shit
haha i already knew u dudes were dumb but thanks for the confirmation

>>20647520
>taking the b8
You really have no hope in refuting the Guenonian faction of /lit/

>>20647120
Literary otaku have been replaced by political otaku, whose prime interest is to collect and show off their inventory of beliefs.

>>20647142
Thissssss. All 19-year-olds are garbage no matter what they larp as.

>>20647120
I do that too. But live a life i can use as an example to justify my reasoning.

>McKenna's podcast
What the fuck is this

>>20648270
i assume it's some podcast that takes old public domain terrence mckenna lectures and puts ads for nootropics or some shit in the intro

>>20647142
Larp it until you make it.

>>20647130
The Culture War is the most important thing in the world. You can't run from it.

>>20648292
it's actually worse than i imagined. if this is the kind of shit nu-/lit/ consumers no wonder everyone's so dumb.

>>20648322
This sounds like some Bloomer KINO... dope find my Brother in Christ.

>>20648322
I like the original McKenna brothers everyone knows and loves, no idea who this goofy boy is

>>20648303
No

>>20647506
I don't know how this list:>>20647482 is remotely utilitarian.

The interdisciplinary science courses (chaos, information, complexity) are all quality and tread the line between philosophy and science. You're talking about ways of seeing the world rooted in empiricism, but taking advantage of observations older philosophers didn't have access to and couldn't have imagined. At their best, chaos theory and information science are really logical/mathematical in nature.

There are lots of courses on history and religion. IME, many are not very good. The Christian Theology one is good, although the Gnostic coverage is poor. The course on the Gnostics is quite good, but a niche area. The mysticism one is ok but nothing great.

If you want religious history, Christianity The First 3,000 Years is a great book, as is the same author's Reformation. McGrath's Theology The Basics is good too (Semiotics: The Basics is also quite good).

For Kabbalah definitely start with Schloem.

>>20648386
I really don't like monotheism, sorry. All of it just feels like one giant attempt to stop time and avoid your own inevitable death.

I think that if you want a serious theological system, it needs to contain the reality of time and death. If it doesn't have that, your system is doomed

Now mainstream genetics is saying blonde hair is from Siberia relatively close in time to the ancients.. but that's not "Hyperboria" because.. reasons.

>>20647120
unless you are something special theres no need for more scholars. theres more than enough already. get local, get going, get a job, get power, get connections, get a spiritual life. we dont need a thousand evolas so again unless your a suppremely powerful thinker focus on something else and other than that just get in a good position. besides you probably need to get reading for a few years before you can contribute a lot of meaning

>>20648391
huh? christians live their whole life preparing for their inevitable death, moreover, christianity introduced the idea of linear instead of cyclical time because you're waiting for christ to return in the future rather than just going around and around in a life and death cycle. it's cool if you don't like monotheism but you might want to think about why a little more.

>>20648398
i think academia could always use more conservative scholars, so if he really had the chops to do an elite phd and get tenure somewhere it could be worth it just to deny some leftist a spot, but yeah, just being an autodidact is not useful. you can read your theory and do other shit at the same time.

>>20647130
When /pol/tards go back to /pol/.

>>20647120
fixed it

>>20648481
This is so cringe it's unreal.

>>20648534
Do you even study the blade bro?

Constantly reminded of why we should segregate philosophyfags and then gas them

>>20648322
>>20648270
Talking about that dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ew3XLRkDIU
He also wrote interesting stuff and suggested we might have acquired consciousness because of mushrooms containing psylocibin

>>20648481
kek nobody's parents raised them to be like this, it's all about being poorly socialized and having a lack of constructive outlets

>>20647178
Look, traditionalism is just like neo liberalism. It assumes it's ideas are ultimately not just good but the Good. Where liberals indulge in end of history with the triumph of liberalism, traditionalists, conservatives and reactionaries, all of which are very different from each other, indulge in the thought that history isn't or has always been at its end. There is no historicism in reactionary thought, there is no history in traditionalism. History is not just the past, history is fundamentally idealism, at least how we would academically understand this term not just in colloquial and every day speech.
None of the moving figures, processes or movements were reactionary. The nazis understood themselves as revolutionaries, napoleon although being a monarch created a new system, so did augustus which fixed most of the issues plaguing the old, these are about different concentrations of power, even Louis XIV. was a revolutionary. Change is what drives history insofar we understand history as of historical moments following.
The whole political system and the semantics around it don't allow for expressing what you're trying to express. The terms I used seem laden with either leftist or very right wing meaning, depending who you are reading it. There is however nothing political about what I stated, it's more philosophical in the undifferentiated concession to the term revolutionary I made through the exemplary use of historical figures.

If you want to change matters, and I'm unsure if the working class American browsing this board who'd view himself as reactionary would even get this, you need to not only oppose, that is not dialectic, but view the loose strings and cut from the thread to make something new. There are no entirely new things of course, we're not magicians and metaphysics is not physics, we don't create out of thin air, but re-order, re-discover what is unread by having the intention of writing something new, in reference to issues at hand. Everything which doesn't consider or reference, which seeks to be magical and thus is esoteric, unreal, will loose itself outside of history as less than Nothing, as private thoughts unspoken, because no one can relate, no one can understand which includes yourself, you also don't understand what is unreal to you for lack of reference to matters at hand. All you'd produce, anyone would produce, would be contentless form, nothing more than a name, a truly tautological sentence.
Here I write the formula of Everything: ... That says nothing.

>>20648481
fixed it

>>20647279
>Rejecting promiscuity? Rejecting unhealthy items, rejecting the enslavement of mankind?
None of these are specific to traditionalism nor are they part of all traditions. Most of the ancients did none of those things. Especially not the aristocracy