/lit/ - Literature

>>20646614
There’s a connection to pedos

Have you never dreamed of stealing some great talent and wasting it to the grave? Of inventing something great, just to prove it works, then tearing it down and burning the blueprints? The truest artist knows the merit of his works well enough that he doesn't need a second opinion from an audience which doesn't deserve it. Every publication, every exhibition, every exposure is born of self-doubt or libido. These thoughts may not be the whole truth, but you're probably oversocialized if they never crossed your mind.

If you have a large penis, you are probably unintelligent and non-white.

>>20646641
Those statues have growers, brainlet. They are 7+ inch when erect.

>>20646646
They’re not. Having a large penis was associated with stupidity in Ancient Greece and is why none of the gods except Pan are seen wielding one.

>>20646636
>t. retard
Creating something is what nature wants from us. Be it children, be it art, be it technology or whatever. If you create something that outlives you, the gods are on your side. That's why true artists and scientists do it, not because they need a second opinion.

>>20646655
Patriarchal cope. Women have always prefered huge strong dicks to fuck them senseless.

>>20646655
If men could choose, no man would choose a small dick over a big one. So it's not your fault that you have a small one. But stop coping with this bs, just to feel better about yourself, it's ridiculous.

>>20646658
No, that’s a gay man’s fantasy. >>20646662
You are not white.

>>20646678
You posted the same statue with broken fingers, dick and balls the second time now. Like I said, all the statues have growers. I have one myself and it grows from like 2' to 7.5'. Ask any (white) grower bro.

Just stop coping and accept it. I for example am cut and I know that I'm doomed in this life. I would never make up reasons why it's a good thing and you shouldn't either about your size.

>>20646687
I didn’t make up anything. Do you think it is possible that the big = better propaganda might just be a modern invention and not something universal throughout all cultures?

>>20646693
>source: trust me, bro
If they take the sculptures and paintings as a reference for the beauty standard, then it's no wonder. Because classical art always tried to convey an idea (in the Platonic sense), be it strength, be it beauty, be it pain, etc.
Making art explicitly sexual was not considered real art. And a big dick would draw all the attention to that part and make people think about sex. Just like unnecessarily large tits would do. It doesn't mean men didn't like big tits back then. It's just that when the artist would decide to do that he would think in a sexual way and that would disqualify his art.

>>20646707
>If they take the sculptures and paintings as a reference for the beauty standard, then it's no wonder.
They were the beauty standard because they were a reflection of the culture at the time. If you want a source, research the topic yourself. Everything I said was accurate and you are the one coping at this point.

>>20646744
>they were a reflection of the culture at the time
I already described why they decided against extra large features (penises AND tits) on the sculptures. To conclude that REAL people didn't like it in REAL life is asinine.
I'm not coping about anything, as I said I don't try to find reasons why the bad things in my life are good.

And we both know that if you had the choice you wouldn't choose a small dick.

>>20646749
>I already described why they decided against extra large features (penises AND tits) on the sculptures.
Yeah, except none of the ancient sources agree with your opinion on male beauty. I am going to reiterate: big dicks were seen as stupid and animalistic, contrary to civilization, and therefore undesirable. If you want to contest this point, you are coping and trying to make the Ancient Greeks conform to you.

>>20646757
Are you unable to understand a simple point? Big dicks are sexual and would distract from the idea of male beauty. Beauty is a Platonic idea in itself, separate from the idea of sexuality. If an artist tries to diplay male beauty, he has to leave out elements that would display the idea of sexuality, because that would disqualify his work.

There is not a single piece of evidence you provided that big dicks were considered UNDESIRABLE by women. You made a big jump from a choice an artist made to what women want in bed.

>>20646770
Cope (written by a woman btw)

>>20646780
>source: ruby said it, bro

So if you had a vote every year, you would choose a small dick every time?

>>20646783
Yes, I am a cultured and intelligent white man.

>>20646780
This level of not being able to understand another person's point is really quite staggering.

>>20646789
That’s nice, but you’re still not white.

>>20646787
I really hope you are trolling. I searched for the texts now and the whole basis is random women looking at ancient sculptures and trying to figure out why they had small penises (growsers btw) and coming to completely wrong conclusions. Not even the texts claim it's true, they just say these are claims and hypothesis.

Read Schopenhauer, he had some more competent takes on classical art and why artists decided to do it that way.

>>20646806
Give me one ancient source that shows that big dicks were seen as desirable in Ancient Greece.

>>20646815
You ask that after you literally quoted random Tiktokers as source?

>>20646827
Oh no no no... HAHAHAHA

>>20646815
The fact alone that women today WONDER why all the statues have small penises and start making up theories should tell you enough. It's not in their nature to find it desirable and they have a hard time believing women back then get wet when looking at something they would just laugh about.

>>20646847
>cultural values shift throughout time
>jews control the current culture
Yeah, adds up.

>>20646854
>jews just changed the inner working of the most ancient part of the brain, bro
The level of cope is getting unbearable

>>20646863
If you think that biology reflects culture and vice versa, then yes, yes they did.

>>20646847
Sounds more like that women also got their standards confused by porn just like men, because average 5 to 6 inches dick when soft is only somewhat bigger than the Greek statue ones.

>>20646874
Culture may influence the prefrontal cortex, but not the limbic system and all the old parts of the brain that are responsible for instincts, vital bodily functions and so on.
I can't believe that I'm talking to someone that thinks Jews made women prefer bigger dicks.

>>20646882
That's what I tried to tell him by saying they are growers and only small when flaccid. He doesn't seem to be able to compute that.

>>20646891
Give me a source that states that dick preference is hardwired into any of the areas of the brain you just mentioned.

>>20646614
abstinent living vs. lusty undead

>>20646614
I’m not big (only 6.5”) but I abstain from sex and flirting when as much as possible. I don’t even think about sex with people anymore, but it’s also to do with not having my Beatrice.

>>20646895
No, but your cope grows every post.

>>20646896
>sexual behavior is controlled by the Hypothalamus
>women prefer above average dicks ( https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0133079 ), which is a sexual preference, which means it's hardwired in her Hypothalamus

>>20646922
I read the ideal isn’t that big though, only within a SD of average.

>>20646641
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>>20646847
Obsession with big dicks or dick sizes at all is a sign of a feminized gynocentric culture where a man's worth is somewhat determined by a woman's opinion of him.

This was not the case for most if not all successful ancient cultures because they had the sense to keep their women in check and not give too much credence to their opinions

>>20646930
As long as you don't have a micropenis, I think you will be fine. I wouldn't even have linked the study if that coping anon wasn't so annoying. I don't like to make other men feel bad about something they didn't choose and can't change. But at some point the coping gets ridiculous.

>>20646943
I'm not obsessing. See >>20646944

>>20646944
I used to feel bad about my kinda average dick but it doesn’t matter really. Sex can be had so many ways and I don’t actually care about having anymore anyway. I see where you’re coming from if he’s not accepting biology though (I’m sure bigger dicks can conceive better).

>>20646882
My girlfriend never watched porn and I deflowered her when she was 17 and she is nonetheless very happy about the size of my 19cm penis.
Also penises wouldn't grow to the size they do if it wasn't a desirable trait.

>>20646922
I read the article. No where did it state that dick preference was hardwired into the brain. Keep coping.

>>20646980
Sexuality is controlled by the Hypothalamus and unlike the prefrontal cortex (newest part of the brain) the Hypothalamus is not up to reason and rationality, everything there is hardwired.

>>20646980
>I'm not coping, you're coping

>>20646969
You are above average, but not ridiculously so. And actually there are limits because with micropenis, forget the woman's pleasure because we only really care now since you can't buy female slaves to impregnate anymore, it would just slip out easier making fertilisation less likely. On the other hand dicks have upper growth limit too because eventually it would be too large and women, who already likely have a limit on hip and vagoo size, otherwise they would not be able to maintain their current upright walking and running that is adventurous to humans.

>>20646998
>adventurous
*advantageous
dammit

>>20646994
>Sexuality is controlled by the Hypothalamus and unlike the prefrontal cortex (newest part of the brain) the Hypothalamus is not up to reason and rationality, everything there is hardwired.
Except that wouldn’t explain how the preference has change throughout time and cultures. Now show me an article that specifically states that dick preference is somewhere hardcoded in the brain, not an article about what modern women prefer.

>>20647005
>Except that wouldn’t explain how the preference has change throughout time and cultures
It hasn't changed

>>20647005
Show me a source women preferred smaller cocks

>>20647010
>It hasn't changed
>women have always enjoyed my hyper-American perception of sex, the science says so!
Start with the Greeks.

>>20647012
Women enjoy whatever you tell them to enjoy. Since a smaller penis what seen as attractive in Ancient Greece, women enjoyed it more. Simple as.

>>20647014
It doesn't even make sense that something that deep-seated would change that quick (a few hundred to thousands years is nothing in the context of brain development). The only things that change depending on cultures are aesthetics, like if hair or shaved is preferred.
>>women have always enjoyed my hyper-American perception of sex, the science says so!
What the fuck is hyper-American perception of sex?

>>20647017
Conjecture. Show me a single piece of evidence for your claims

>>20647017
>Since a smaller penis what seen as attractive in Ancient Greece
It wasn't. There are several posts in this thread explaining it to you.

>>20647031
>It doesn't even make sense that something that deep-seated would change that quick (a few hundred to thousands years is nothing in the context of brain development).
You have not showed that dick preference is located in an
esoteric area of the brain not subject to culture or change.
>What the fuck is hyper-American perception of sex?
Hollywood, porn, niggers, being fat, etc.
>>20647032
Do you think women are autonomous? >>20647034
Give me one source to the contrary.

>>20647047
I started writing an answer, but deleted it again. I'm out. You're write, I'm wrong. Whatever makes you sleep at night, bro.

>>20647047
I started writing an answer, but deleted it again. I'm out. You're right, I'm wrong. Whatever makes you sleep at night, bro.

>>20647061
>>20647064
I will never sleep knowing that my dick is above average and will never achieve the perfect harmonious totality of a Greek sculpture. To all the small dick bros in the thread, you are a king.

>>20646998
>You are above average, but not ridiculously so.
Not claiming I am, just bigger than small and civilised uWu peen. Though according to howlongismyshlong.com I'm in the 98th percentile but I feel those numbers are deflated

>>20647047
>Do you think women are autonomous?
Show me evidence they aren't

>>20646614
My cock is 19 cm and I never seen a vagina

>>20647166
Who let you loose on the board, slut?

>>20647192
Show me evidence I am one

>>20646896
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>>20647005
What about the fact that there are certain spots in her vagina a small penis can never reach and therefore she will never fantasize about it, only about bigger dicks that can fill her up?

>>20647326
Women don’t get most of their pleasure from the sexual act like men do. Most of their pleasure is derived from the appearance of the act, the social status it will give them and the emotion she feels. It’s why they can fuck women and get off just fine, even better in some cases. There’s not much point in arguing about it anyway because the original discussion was about how small dicks were perceived in Ancient Greece. Since women didn’t decide male beauty, their sexual pleasure is inconsequential.

>>20647348
>Most of their pleasure is derived from the appearance of the act, the social status it will give them and the emotion she feels.
You just ignored the fact that there are spots in her vagina that give her orgasms when you stimulate them.
Of course pleasure can also happen in the head, but it's nothing compared to biological stimulation. You can often change her mind if you have the correct technique and know which buttons to press. And you can press more buttons with a bigger penis.

>>20647416
Have you ever been with a woman outside of your cuck fantasies? Also, address the point about Ancient Greece.

>>20647440
>Have you ever been with a woman outside of your cuck fantasies?
Where do you got the cuck thing from? I'm talking from experience. A "unsure" can turn to pleasure pretty quickly if you do the right things or she is turned on by your penis size and the fantasies related to it.
More experienced women are more likely to like big penises tho, because the more virgin type girls don't know what it is to be "filled up" or don't even know about the effects of different sizes.

So if I had a small penis, I would just go for the inexperienced ones. I recently saw a Tiktok by two girls and the one was saying she was engaged with the first guy she was ever with and after a while they broke up and she got a new bf and just then she realized that her first guy had a really small penis. So your best bet is her ignorance desu, gl.

>>20647484
>size and the fantasies related to it
This is admitting my point. The fantasy comes before the actual stimulation. Do you concede Ancient Greece?

>>20647504
>The fantasy comes before the actual stimulation.
No, the fantasy comes from her prior experience. If she had dicks in different sizes, she knows what feels best. A virgin won't fantasize about big dicks (unless a friend told her about her own experiences).

>>20647521
>No, the fantasy comes from her prior experience.
It doesn’t. Women are hyper-social and look to the people around them for what they like, similar to children. Ancient Greece, zoomer?

>>20646641
but they're already rock-hard

>>20647528
Don't talk about women when you never touched or satisfied one. All your information are hearsay.
>Ancient Greece, zoomer?
What do you want exactly? Yes, ancient Greek women had the same vaginal anatomy and the same brains. They were satisfied by the same things and had orgasms from the same things. It's still the same species we're talking about, something so fundamental like sexuality doesn't change over such a short period of time. But it's been said 100 times in this thread already. But apparently not often enough for small dick cope.

>>20647543
>Don't talk about women when you never touched or satisfied one. All your information are hearsay.
Prove you have ever seen a woman outside of /r9k/ and tinder graphs.
>What do you want exactly?
Admit that small dicks were seen as preferable in Ancient Greece. That’s what the whole discussion was about, not what le women think or feel.

>>20647562
>Admit that small dicks were seen as preferable in Ancient Greece.
>That’s what the whole discussion was about, not what le women think or feel.
So you want to know if small dick were preferable for men, or what? When people talk about if small dicks are desirable or not, they usually mean for women and not men lmao.

>>20647602
I already know what the Ancient Greeks thought. My point was that big dicks were seen as stupid and uncivilized in the culture. Seethe.

>>20647562
they just don't put the statues with big ones on display.

>>20647614
No, you don't. And no they weren't. Cope.

Most men are less than 6.3 inches. Above that is 5% of men. Let that sink in.

>>20647620
Looks like I won bros. Thread’s over. Pack it up.

>>20647635
Small dickie feels big for claiming something, using flawed theories from tiktok as a source and ignoring common sense, basic biology and pracises in classical art. Wow, hat a victory.

>>20647635
Small dickie feels big for claiming something, using flawed theories from tiktok as a source and ignoring common sense, basic biology and pracises in classical art. Wow, what a victory.

>>20647643
I’m white, you’re a gypsy, the world goes around, la la la

>>20647651
You're insulting white people by saying everyone with an above average dick can't be white. So you think every white guy has a small penis?

>>20647661
Admit you’re not white

>>20647670
I am white, but not blonde

>>20647674
HAHAHAHA

>>20647682
Answer the question
>So you think every white guy has a small penis?

>>20647686
Work the crops, untermensch.

>>20647693
Bro, you have a thumb in your pants. You are nowhere near the position to talk down on anybody. Nature made you beta.

>>20647706
She’s mad. Just let the thread die, it’s over.

>>20646614
as a sexhaver myself, i've exclusively received positive comments on my member. never gotten any complaints on the size, sometimes i've been told I can be lazy or not affectionate at times, but I make an active effort to make sure my current gf feels more sexually and intimately and emotionally fulfilled than before I arrived

>>20646757
>>20647614
>he thinks civilized (aka domesticated) and non-animalistic are good traits in men and sought-after by women
Oh nononono hahahaha.

Anons, do not view this as a discussion. Instead view it as enriching the tards.

When I was a teen I felt like sexuality and women had too much power over me so I pushed them away despite being popular. I didn't portray it like that to others but I did consider myself some le epic man-dude that would never become a pussywhipped cuck. This was before the internet.
The thing is whatever you do, you train yourself to do. I have been with some women over the years but never in a serious relationship. I still have that voice that will not tolerate any roasties fucking up my shit (not actually in those terms, I'm relating my thoughts from when I was young to the memes here) but in reality I'm slowly becoming a lonely stereotype. I accomplished more than young me thought possible, basically all the goals checked off. Never have to work again and still have plenty to do with my time but I'm alone.

>>20647742
Sorry, pic rel is white culture

I know I will never keep a relationship or have sex but I would prefer a bigger one anyway just for personal confidence.

>All the dicklet coping ITT

>>20646658
No they don't, you fag. Maybe for one night stands, but on a regular basis, they want a normal sized dick that won't create a new gash in their gash. Stop basing your worldview on porn.

>>20648865
Kek, is that what your gf tells you? That she’s perfectly content with your mediocre 6 incher? Have no doubt that she’d prefer a thick 8 incher, 90% of women would.

All dick's are small
Think about it, women will fit a whole baby through there
"Small dick", "big dick it's all psyop by Big Pussy

>>20648865
this is a form of exhibitionism or something for him, you are playing a supporting role in his weird fetish roleplay by engaging him

what he's saying only has a superficial similarity to a real belief, you're basically arguing with a fat fetishist who is saying he thinks fat women should rule the world. who cares about the particular intricacies or genealogy of this guy's cock fetish, the point that matters is that his need to talk about it in nonsexual contexts with strangers is part of the fetish

>>20646646
Literally me.

>>20646847
This is your brain on pussy. Just say "no" kids, lest this be you

>>20646847
“Not in their nature to find it desirable”

It think nature would’ve prevented women only finding something out of standard desirable. Dicks are evolutionary designed to be enough, regardless what sorta coombrain has you or whores think otherwise.

Everybody is probably alright in that regard, it’s just your self-imposed, with women absolutely disconnected inferiority complexes that have you think otherwise.

Have some confidence in yourselves, ffs

It doesn't matter how good it feels since women rarely come from penetration anyway, big dicks just look way better. One kind makes your mouth water, the other kind ranges from mildly repulsive to just acceptable. How's that so hard to understand?

>>20646655
they probably just thought spending a bunch of time perfecting a giant rock hard dick was gay. so they made the dick small so people didn't call them faggot artists.

>>20648980
>Spot the coombrain fag

>>20648993
Some bodies and body parts look better than others. I'm confident that most here would prefer a cute innie pussy than a flappy, big lipped one. It's baffling how controversial this is for some; is it just pure cope?

>volcel
If you aren't having sex, and are not daily fending women off with a stick, you are incel. It's ok there is no shame in admitting it.

>>20649000
There’s nothing controversial about modern aestheticics, that doesn’t mean something is biologically undesirable just because current culture doesn’t like it. That’s what’s currently being argued.
Faggots wouldn’t understand this because you’re all coombrains by default, even if it anatomically, Not eben biologically, benefits you even less.

>>20649017
You're arguing against the wind because it isn't about how it feels or what is biologically acceptable. It's pure aesthetics. Your argument isn't going to convince the women around the OP to let him stick his dick inside them or make them sexually attracted to him.

OP is sad because he isn't exceptionally hot. Saying there's nothing biologically wrong with him doesn't change that.

>>20649084
Did you even read the OP? It's not about women at all.

>>20649084
It’s, specifically, you who made it all about aesthetics. You’ve not read the thread at all but felt the massive need to tell us how much you like sucking dick and how certain dick appeases your porn-aesthetics, since getting off on a fetish is all there is to your sexuality.

Just get back to /b/ to cry among your own, you’re not winning anything.

>>20646614
>/lit/ - Dicks