/lit/ - Literature

>>20638645

Dumb women, American culture, and financial desperation

>>20638705
Every single book put out anymore is about women. All of them. That's it. The only place you can have a male protag is the schlockiest sci-fi that no woman would ever want to touch.

It always has to be some spunky woman who breaks the rules and gets the guy and proves she's better than everyone else. always. One would conclude agents all need a fucking therapist for their BPD.

Pretty much every artistic field is nothing but nepotism and schizophrenia now.

>>20638645
When i was trying to get my first book (pic related) published i sent it to several literary publishers in Melbourne. One of them told me "nobody's interested in stories about country bogans doing country bogan things, move to Melbourne if you want to be a real writer"
Another one told me "we aren't interested in straight white male perspectives"
Eventually i found a small indie publisher and the book got shortlisted for an award.

>>20639036
Nice.

>>20639036
Need to get those ESG scores up if you want to get published. Equity, Social Inclusion, Government accessibility.

It's the fault of the fucking angloids.

I wonder how many of the 20something guys who complain nobody is interested in publishing their book or books by guys like them actually buy and read books by unknown 20something guys. YA is trash, but the women who publish YA books also read YA books, and it thrives because of that. Why does every artistic industry from books to music to movies to tv to whatever pander to women? Because women buy that shit. Meanwhile, you got a copy of a book by Dosteovsky from a second hand shop for cheap.

>>20639076
Yep, i have observed some of the books that those Melbourne publishers put out instead of mine....utter dogshit but they tick all the diversity boxes. Some of them go on to win awards and become the buzz books of the current year.

>>20639124
We can't buy what isn't getting published

>>20638903
Why is this bros? Is it just capitalism at work? i.e. only women buy books

>>20639138
Some books get through like >>20639036 and plenty of unknown 20something guys resort to self-publishing. The market for them is small because who wants to read that shit?

>>20639162
I guarantee some of these obscure, self-published books will be literary classics in a few decades, the problem is just that there is no way to know without reading them all. Remember that Moby Dick was a flop when it first came out, it was only through word-of-mouth that it got it's current reputation.

>>20639036
I’m an Aussie as well and this looks pretty refreshing. Mostly I just pirate stuff nowadays but I’ll give it a buy when I’ve gotten through some stuff on my list (already have a couple of histories to get through).

>>20638645
literature is irrelevant to begin with so they don't care to begin with, and you need to fill a diversity quota if you want to be published

>>20639124
>buy
Here is my books folder. How many of these do you think I bought?
>literature is dying because only sjw white women with shitty college degrees and an entry level job earning $37k are dumb enough to buy books in the age of one-click piracy
I guess God does exist and we're the sinners being punished, thus making the torments of burning in hell, actually, to drown in shitty book titles like "Daughter of that shitty Brooklyn Deli that serves stale bagels" and "Little Women of Tumblefuck, Ohio, in 1895, who opened that book store that no one ever went to". At least a fiery pit is kinda kino. But no, all we deserve is a cringy soul death from mediocre contemporary chick-lit that is too self aware to call itself "chick lit" anymore.

>>20639252
Oo wee

Controlled by NGOs, Universities, media companies, and the financiers of media companies, all of which are ultimately controlled by a small handful of corporations and wealthy individuals

>>20639036
Not even being female or black is woke enough anymore. Now if you're not poly-ace tri-racial queertheoretical retro-nu-gender choco-POC with a publicly acclaimed police record of being arrested for protesting Trump rallies while livestreaming on twitch and a twitter account with 4 million followers, they tell you to jump in the river. We're on the absurdist race track to find the wokest wokester and the rest of us are just along for the ride down an increasingly brown and gay track lined with self-hating white women to either side cheering the retarded pygmy negro jockeys on while a jew takes down bet pledges on a clip board.

i hate everything post-1985.

>>20638645
s that post real? That is astounding! A.K. Applegate could not get an agent!
The internet is a tsunami for creatives. It did exactly the opposite of what it promised.
First, instead of more consumption and more opportunities, it simply either expanded the consumption for the few into these pop silos of mega books and music, or into black holes of attention used to sell ads. Then it changed the model of payment from paying for content, to content as attention whore for advertisement revenue. This robbed the traditional gatekeepers of any way of getting paid. Then it created more people who think they could write or play. Then it created new platforms (tiktok, instagram, youtube) that traditional art couldn’t fit into, diluting the consumption pool even more. Then the network effect cut content down to only a few in each media silo.
So there are more people who think they have talent who don’t, and more platforms although not ones that are conducive to established art, yet only the few on each platform are heard, and the criteria for what is published is the ad revenue, not the art itself.
It’s not cold; it’s broken.

>>20639357
I think this. How the algorithms work is a few books, seemingly down to luck and timing, go viral, and nothing else sees the light of day. And this is regardless of quality.

If you think about the normalfag, they only read maybe 3 books a year, and get those based on what their twitter feed tells them, or something they buy at the front display table of barnes and noble while there to buy a fluffy coffee for the daily insta selfie. and how agents/publishers pick up new books is, "give me something like last year's top seller list," so it works through in trends. right now we're in the "[x]'s daughter" or "the [x]'s wife" trend. oh, and the "greek classic but rewritten in the POV of an irrelevant female side charater" trend.

it's inbred. they only target people who already buy books, and only put forward books like books they've already bought. Rather than targeting the people who would buy if there were books that appealed to them (which, necessarily, means a book unlike books on the table recently.) But god forbid the publisher take on risk and the burden of judgement. God forbid. Better pump out more milquetoast for the 300 lb twitterwhales to take a selfie with.

>>20639290
If that's truly the trajectory of the woke trend, then you should be glad because that is in no way sustainable. There is only so many people on the planet you can alienate before no one is left cheering you on.

>>20638645
>modern
>past years
midwit

>>20639574
it's already terminally ill since the trannies pushed the women out of woke spaces, and they're now classifying hispanics and asians as white since they're too successful and family-oriented. it's inarguably dying. the question is why do we have to tie ourselves to the dying whale and wait for it to decay?
>>20639639
CONTEMPORARY
CURRENT YEAR+7
TODAY'S
BUTT FLOSSING CROSS-DRESSING SELFIE-TAKING TWITTER-ADDICTED ONIONS-LATTE-SIPPING MFA GRADS

>are my stories trash?
>no, it's the publishers who are woke
love these threads

>>20638645
This thread is proof anglo countries and their cultures are nothing but pure schizophrenia these days
Holy shit guys are you okay?

>>20639461
Good point.
But even so, that is not a bad model from the point of view of the industry of the past, it just breaks with the environment we have now.
You want word of mouth to sell books, and publishers to publish similar books, as long as there is room for lots of genres, and the occasional "and now for something completely different!"
But that was when the network effect was not stolen and concentrated by the evil axis of Gobble, Facespace, Ama..fuck you, and MeTube.

Since the network effect was robbed, there are no more genres. There is what everyone is doing.

>>20639757
>tfw not born to a francophone family in quebec
fuck

>>20639140
That’s about a third. Another third is in-group preference in regard to both people and books.

Look at this shit. It's like a 4chan shitpost, and even has an MS paint cover, but it's on the man booker list.
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/163819.Booker_Prize_Eligible_2022

Reality is a bad joke

>>20639357
The internet is one of those gigantic Chinese indoor wave pools for creatives

>>20639734
Michael Reynolds isn't trash, at least by children's book standards.

>>20639036
>The Last Free Man
SIRS DO NOT PUBLISH

>>20639830
>The Last White Man
Hmm, aha, yes!

>>20639849
kek

haha end existence. The british invented English only to be pushed out of the english language market by uppity colony imports. what a fucking joke

>>20638705
Narrative control of the deep state. So the oligarchy, IE capitalism is to blame. Okay?

>>20639896
>"late stage capitalism!" screamed the footsoldiers of capitalists
if i come across one more wokey spedblurting this phrase like an unmedicated tourettes' syndromist with dyed hair, i'm going to go insane.

>>20638645
This seems made up. Unless she's just an insufferable cunt, anyone who sold that many books would easily find some sort of agent.

>>20639958
I don't know, seems believable to me. Poor guy's perception of his and his wife's achievements must have been crushed. Little series called ANIMORPHS? Ever heard of it?

>>20639036
>$6 in the Kindle Store
Drop that bad boy by a buck and I'll bite.

So when is YHWH going to send a second curse of Babel? Surely English must be more dominant now than whatever mesopotamian shit they were speaking when it last happened

>>20639923
Socialists are not a hivemind. People will disagree all the time about shit. Try to keep that in mind.

>but muh bluehaired fat women
Who cares

>>20640090
>Socialists are not a hivemind.
>doesn't know the term "purity spiral"
They will be by the end of Stalin's reign.

>>20640008
Jew down, om nom

>>20639124
>call the genre "young adult"
>80% of the audience is grown women
what did publishers mean by this?

>>20640110
Please raise the price, I'm Catholic and must be conspicuous in all things.

>>20640127
6USD is pretty reasonable for an ebook. You can pay like 25 for some

>>20640129
OH FINE

>>20638645
it’s just a money game, especially now. if publishers don’t see dollar signs in front of every word you’ve written in that book, they’re not interested. having an online following does help, even being physically attractive (more relevant to women) is a plus, but 1mil followers doesn’t always translate into 1mil units sold—books by youtubers are a great representation of this. if they can’t sell you, they won’t be interested. if they can’t see a 24-episode Netflix adaptation happening, they’re not interested. no doubt, your book can be great and have an important purpose, but if your debut work and then YOU as a writer can’t keep an audience entertained and constantly talking about you, they won’t bother.
i’m in australia, so my perspective may be different. market here is fried; if it’s not a thriller or memoir, just publish overseas because it won’t happen here. if you’re writing literary, you might get published but be prepared to never, ever make enough money to survive off your writing, and worse yet, to never see another publishing deal because you can’t make your publisher any money.
from what I understand of more recent developments overseas, in terms of literary fiction, there’s been a push for lit fic writers to self-publish because they just can’t make their massive advances back. lit fic writers received the highest advances of all, even on debut work, yet didn’t even make something like a third of it back from book sales.
there is massive incongruence in the industry; they follow trends rather than genres and want to play it safe by publishing a long list of junk books (to supplement ‘the one’) so as not to lose money, but that’s specifically why they’re not making any. it’s a severely underpaid and ageing industry (at least in aus, most editors/publishers are white women aged 40/50+, and the people highest paid are in higher rungs of the business itself or in marketing/legal/finance) quickly losing ambition and adrenaline, and it is not open to adapting with the times and interests of new markets, and I suppose many writers are the same way.

>>20640244
>there is massive incongruence in the industry; they follow trends rather than genres and want to play it safe by publishing a long list of junk books (to supplement ‘the one’) so as not to lose money, but that’s specifically why they’re not making any.
This. Describes their recent catalogs exactly.

What's a writer to do?

>>20640315
If the market is truly as irrational as it seems, there is a lot of money on the table for someone who can come up with a new publishing paradigm.
Similar dynamics in the American comic industry led to Anime completely dominating it.

im just gonna cut off my dick and take hormones and go by annie (she/her) so i can increase my publishing odds by +590

>>20639958
Not that unbelievable, really. If you're writing YA novels and it's either not the latest trend or has the potential to be, you're going to have an exceedingly hard time finding an agent. They're all trend chasing while marking off a woke checklist.

>>20640425
Because that’s what sells. Welcome to capitalism. You want to see straight whit males succeed in contemporary literature, you have to start buying their books. Simple as

>>20640433
It doesn't sell, see >>20640244
>they follow trends rather than genres and want to play it safe by publishing a long list of junk books (to supplement ‘the one’) so as not to lose money, but that’s specifically why they’re not making any
Also the "wokeness is capitalism" thing is barely worth acknowledging but nobody believes it, "comrade".

>feigning moral outrage on 4chan of all places
What are you trying to accomplish nigger?

>>20640449
Publishers will push whatever is selling. Leftists buy all that shit you hate. /lit/poltards don’t buy any of the contemporary writers that they want to see make it. Why would publishers push that if you aren’t buying it?

>>20640030
>So when is YHWH going to send a second curse of Babel?
God quit caring about humans a long time ago. He's given up and let Satan do whatever he wants.

>>20638903
>all new novels are about w**en
https://www.novelupdates.com/stag/male-protagonist/

>>20640495
We were talking about the West, it's a completely different story with anime and its imitators.

>>20640495
>anime writing
no idea what that schlock is and dont care

This is a New York Times bestseller by a Pulitzer-nominated author and a fabulously queer Turkish lesbian

Step your game up, chuds.

>>20640576
I'd read it.

>>20638645
Damn, that's the Animorphs guy? Fucking chad.

>>20640576
>blogpost-core

>>20639290
Fuck off to /pol/ retard

>>20640576
The worst part is that this is completely technically competent. it's just devoid of passion or soul of any kind. This is what oppressive moralism does to art.

>>20640647
Found the butthurt twitter tranny.

>>20639036
Do they actually sell this in any bookstores? I'm one of those people who only buys things online if I have to, but I've yet to notice this in any actual physical store in sydney at least.

>>20638645
did nobody notice this post was from 2014?
>2007 already no agents wanted them

>>20640433
>You want to see straight whit males succeed in contemporary literature, you have to start buying their books.
Wrong. Just look at the endless corporate failures of woke comic books, movies, television etc. Ultimately their plan is propaganda. Period. They will write off the commercial failures but the anti Christian message is their primary directive.

>>20640647
Shoo shoo, tranny. Back to your cuck discord you go.
Keep supporting woke publishing, if you are a white male, you are literally the last thing they care about.

>>20640662
It's been in a couple small indie book stores but that's about it

>>20640662
Book stores generally stock from big name publishers. Anything self-published is going to be online only unless a small store grabs it at random

>college buddy used to review manuscripts for a publisher in nyc
>one day they wanted him to change jobs to be a sensitivity reader
>they gave him a list of new criteria to judge manuscripts by
>none of them were about the actual quality of the book
>he quit and gave up on his dreams of publishing his own book

Then he went innawoods. We still talk on occasion.

>>20639923
>NoooooOOOoo. Don’t think about the origins of the worlds troubles! Capitalism is INNOCENT I tell you!

>>20640103
Schizophrenic take. Stalin died.

>>20640315
the best thing you can do is write what you want and search for the publisher that best fits you, even if it is a small publisher. build up your audience online and if the tradpub route fails, self-publish as ebooks. tradpubs will pick you up if they see you making money afterwards. this happens with so many genre fiction writers, for example, alan baxter struggled to get publishers interested in his initial ‘weird fiction’/urban fantasy works until he self-published and developed an audience, and from there harpercollins (I think) picked him up and published his newer works. just do what is right for you and your work.

>>20640372
I mean the new publishing paradigm was amazon self-publishing, and it is still going strong for romance and fantasy writers. but again, your success on there relies on you having an active online presence and ‘giving the people what they want’. there is no set writing/reading community or sanctuary; goodreads is basically abandoned, and Amazon’s efforts to publish print books have more or less failed save for the digital self-publishing side of things.
from my faint memory, the only publisher I know of that heavily curates their list is faber&faber, but they are VERY lit fic and definitely have the money to support that small, niche list being that they are quite an old house. i went into studying writing/publishing believing this was the case for every house, and I am still confused as to why it’s not.
I believe there should be a platform and/or house that combines all the good parts of the industry, even including sites like ao3 and goodreads, that caters to every need of writers, readers and industry professionals. but that would take time, networking, and money, the latter two more so.

>>20640576
It's technically writing but it actually hurts my eyes to read wtf.

>>20639036
Just tell them you're aboriginal and you're good to go

>>20640647
>no counterargument
>muh butthurt pole obsession
Reddit is that way, good sir. No one likes you retard niggers who shit up threads and complain "muh pole" when someone doesn't like """diversity""" shoved in media.

>>20638645
Is this the thread where I can complain about niggers, jews, fags and women? If so count me in

>>20638645
Film, art, architecture. The subversion game ramped up massively after WW2. They've attacked all aspects of our once civilized-society and it only gets worse. Stick to the older classics.

>>20639290
but who even buys this shit? we all know blacks don't read.

>>20640710
I love em dashes and semi-colons; they just make things flow better, you know?

>>20640740
Google cultural Marxism. Modern day tumblr-tier social leftism is a direct offspring of a clique of Marxist Jews who decided that the failure of Marxism to spread through the western working class during the world wars was caused by the strength of certain pillars of western civilization: religion, national/cultural pride, traditional gender roles/the family unit, racial homogeneity. Thus, the only way to allow the spread of Marxism in the west was by destroying these pillars. The best way to do this was by infiltrating academia to indoctrinate the next generation of political, business, and media leaders. Barely twenty years after this strategy was formulated, we have the civil rights movements, the free love, pacifist, and crypto-marxist movements of the 60s and 70s. Western Academia only became a bastion of leftism after cultural Marxism was formulated, and nearly every problem we deal with today (mass nonwhite immigration, gay rights, feminism, the political and philosophical castration of white males, western self-loathing, widespread derision of traditional western culture, national self-loathing, pacifism, rampant atheism, and most recently the vax craze) was directly planted and nurtured by a Judeo-Marxist conspiracy. The worst part is that this information is freely available from mainstream sources (you can verify everything I just said on Wikipedia) but the damage has been done so effectively that barely anybody knows about it or cares to find out or would even see a problem if they did find out.

>>20639036
look mate, they’re not wrong (except for the Melbourne part lel, safely ignore that). looking at your books, they seem like a great read, but I’m definitely not your target audience so they’re not on top of my ‘to read’ list. ‘country bogans doing country bogan things’ is what white australians aged 50-70 are interested in, but based on industry statistics, they spend their money on true crime, thrillers/suspense and memoirs. unfortunately for you, younger audiences which will make or break profits for the next 50 years or so are looking for different perspectives and stories, a lot of which is coming from america because australia is unwilling to take the risk and change with the market. publishers are not wrong in telling you ‘no one wants to read about straight white males’, but it’s not for the reasons you think. it’s not a globohomo jewspiracy—you just don’t make them enough money anymore. as I mentioned here >>20640244 you’re not ‘the one’ at this time, and you’re not enough of a ‘safe bet’ to supplement ‘the one’. it is what it is. but like I said here >>20640710 as well, write what you want and do what is right for your work. just don’t get the shits that publishers, especially Australian ones, are not giving you the attention you want. all published writers are good, but some published writers just make more money than others. that’s all it is.
also short story collections from relatively unknown/debut writers are a fucking HARD sell in australia, you’re playing this game on survival mode and wondering why it hurts. but with what you’ve done so far, congratulations, it’s fantastic, and I mean that wholeheartedly. you’re doing well, the hardest part is over. :D

>>20640121
Not sure if just meming, but if genuine question. Publishing breaks down books based off the age group it's intended for. Early Readers, Chapter books, middle grade, young adult, and adult fiction. Something gets labeled young adult based on how it's written, how long it is, and if it's written by a woman.

>>20639124
There is some truth to this, women buy more books than men in almost every single genre. I think the only ones still dominated by men are military biographies. Though the publishing industry completely abandoning men as an audience just exasperates the problem and is bad business decision. Though at least we get the yearly "Why aren't men reading our books" articles from places like the Guardian, each time written by someone new.

>>20640495
Eastern anime/xianxia stuff is a lot different since the objective is to allow the (mostly) male audience to self-insert

>>20640576
I could feel my soul being sucked out of my body while reading this. Machine-like writing without any soul or artistry just makes me incredibly sad to look at

>>20638903
>Every single book put out anymore is about women. All of them.
My country doesn't read for shit and this phenomenon has accelerated substantially in the past few years. Bookshops are clearly a female thing now. All books other than a shrinking classics section are written by women or about women, or about female things e.g. new age spirituality. Even those rare books written by men are obviously made to appeal to women. I don't even bother going there to read a blurb if there's a cover that catches my eye. The vast majority of shoppers are women. Whenever someone is presenting a book in my local bookshop, 90% of the audience is college-age to middle-age women.
>>20639140
>only women buy books
yes, it turns out that if you don't buy things then people choose another career. it's not capitalism if you'd like your efforts to pay off. but please keep seething about capitalism while expecting artists to work at a loss

>>20639124
>I wonder how many of the 20something guys who complain nobody is interested in publishing their book or books by guys like them actually buy and read books by unknown 20something guys
I bought a bunch of fiction by literal whos but yeah, nobody wants to pay for shit now but somehow they expect a rich artistic landscape because artists are supposed to follow MUH PASSION

it's beyond me why anyone would want to read anything published after 1945.

didn't you know? the world ended in 1945. we're just ghosts, wandering around in the ruins.

>>20639036
Is that you and your kid. That real chad dad if that be thee case.

>>20640882
>you can verify everything I just said on Wikipedia
Maybe on an archived version. The Wikipedia page for Cultural Marxism got a total memory-holing. It's now a conspiracy theory to take the Frankfurt School at their word.

I hate reading works by English speaking minorities. It same old tired fiddle song about my kind is oppressed. I don't need to read 333 pages to know that racism is bad. Write about other shit about your people. Write about their culture and stories that include them. I wouldn't mind reading about black wino.

>>20640910
>publishers are not wrong in telling you ‘no one wants to read about straight white males’, but it’s not for the reasons you think. it’s not a globohomo jewspiracy—you just don’t make them enough money anymore.
>you’re playing this game on survival mode and wondering why it hurts
>writing while white is hard mode but it's not a conspiracy

>>20640995
>writing while white is hard mode but it’s not a conspiracy
zero reading comprehension. back to kindergarten with you

>>20640910
>Not a conspiracy
Reminder: an army of well funded, well organized jew shills patrol the internet in effort to shut down any counter-jew discussion and to promote the globalist anti-white jew agenda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dGJDJoeAok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYleadaZ8vM
>ACT.IL shill recruitment video
http://www.thejidf.org
http://www.thejidf.org/2008/10/about-jidf.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force
http://fortune.com/2016/09/12/facebook-google-israel-social-media/
https://archive.is/HpArO
>Why Facebook and Google Are Complying With Israel to Delete Certain Content
https://archive.is/sMsxH
>Israel’s Online Shadow Operations
>Numerous well funded, organized projects by and for Israel work to flood social media with pro-Israel propaganda, while blocking facts Israel dislikes. The projects utilize Israeli soldiers, students, American teens and others, and range from infiltrating Wikipedia, Reddit and 4chan to influencing YouTube. Some operate out of Jewish Community Centers in the U.S.
https://archive.is/bdyTW
>Israel launches secret squad to challenge negative image & boycott campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B5jMXZ4PvY
>"Israel's Internet Censorship War - If Americans Knew"
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ceCOhdgRBoc
>"The Lobby P1: Young Friends of Israel – Al Jazeera Investigations"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dGJDJoeAok
>"JIDF Editing on Wikipedia"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zbcEcSYcS8
>Israeli American Council shill recruitment video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6m_1bstc3E
>How Israel lobbies and shills manipulate the USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNWF9CeoZdE
>"Defamation" – Documentary about how acusations of anti-semitism are used as a JIDF tool to silence those who criticize anything related to jews.

>>20641028
oh my god babes go back to /pol/ too while you’re at it. I’m not American and don’t care for your third world shithole’s destruction at Jewish hands, you brought this upon yourself seppo

>>20640985
Yeah, that was taken at the Red Kangaroo book store in Alice Springs. It was a publicity pic when my first book got shortlisted for an award.

>>20641043
>muh pole BOOGEYMAN!!! boo hoo hoo
You're a dumb brainwashed faggot is what you are. You're free to go back to wherever you came from.

The push for non-white and non-male writers is because it trendy to be woke. Most companies couldn't give two shits about homos and minorities. It all aboot the bottom line. Not that most libtards actually help the people they suck off. It all slacktivism with them.

>>20641051
Soz it’s obvious now that you frequent /lgbt/, my mistake. at least swallow your mutt father’s load before you post next time.

>W-what?! Artists quit when they can't make any money from their craft?! Why don't they just get a day job and then entertain me in their free time? It's not like these retards have anything better to do lol
>W-What?! They'd rather do something else?! This is CAPITALISM at work!!! CURSES!! Woe is me, I only wanna pay for porn, what can I do except watch women and trannies pay for diversity garbage because it makes them look good?! How could this be happening?! Just because I don't wanna pay for shit while those people pay?! Is that all?! Aghhh!! I hope that communism will fix this, then I'll get entertained and enriched by artsts for free! Money ruins everything!! It's almost as bad as food!!! I thought that these people were driven by passion, rather than stupid things like needing food and shelter?!
>W-well you know what, I don't care!! *seething* I have enough old books to last me 200 years!! I'm not mad!!

>>20641067
>companies don't care and liberals are slacktivists
Yeah that sounds like a good description of the kind of social movement that would unstoppable take over industries. What's the next gaslight? It's just a bunch of crazies on college campuses?
>>20641084
>conservatives are communists
>non-woke book buyers all just quit at the same time
Nobody believes you.

>>20641089
"Conservatives" don't exist. There are only conservative LARPers, which is why conservatism is dead. Hating niggers doesn't make you conservative when your lifestyle and moral integrity are no different than the tranniest green-haired leftist, except with a different coat of paint.
I believe there's definitely an inorganic push for diversity, but it's completely retarded to believe that there's no real economic reason behind this. People want to pay for the arts less and less and women really love to hear this diversity shit. They have this retarded, naive sense of justice and they are degenerates, so they want this celebration of sexual freedom. And they buy shit. Trannies go out of their way to support other trannies. White males do absolutely nothing to support each other and white males are the only possible source of good shit on the planet. What do you expect? If it didn't disgust me and I wanted to publish some kind of work, I'd absolutely play the woke LARP. I have absolutely no confidence that you faggots would support my work no matter what, not even 1/10 of what trannies and women would provide. You give zero and expect quality, that makes you even more retarded than women who at least understand this basic law, that you get what you pay for.
It seriously drives me up a fucking wall when people on this site who pirate every single fucking $1 thing have the gall to complain about the industry. OH WHYY WHYYY HOW COULD IT BE HAPPENING IT MUST BE THE REPTILIAN JEWS!!! No you fucking retard you just stopped paying for things. Jews will keep jewing but the basic reason why everything is pozzed beyond belief is that nobody wants to pay for things that are unpozzed. So who's going to pay? Women, trannies, advertisers who want propaganda for more "diversity" and so on.

>>20640576
dreadful MFA factory-puke

>>20640698
Yep, now I know why no one will publish me.
>>20640704
>the origins of the worlds troubles
jews? I assure you I consider them often. Usually when looking at my oven dimensions and remembering how many hours it takes to cook a turkey in it.

>>20640710
They churn out hundreds of bodice rippers a year. Surely we have enough bodice rippers to last a lifetime for even the horniest obese wine aunt femcel to ring the devil's doorbell to?

>>20640710
>build up your audience online
Oo thanks I'm not getting soul cancer to "market myself" to retarded zoomers (and mostly bots). Have you actually done this? Do you have experience with self-publishing or are you an armchair auteur like everyone else on this board?

>>20640932
They did abandon men. It bothers me because I write books for a male audience and when I look at manuscript wishlist there is NO demand for it. All they want is books about negroes and faggots and wammenz issues. I mean, even a woman must, after enough time, find it insulting--the blatant way they pander and patronize her sex, that they have to dumb things down for her, that they cut away the rest of the story and leave only the part about some side character woman to rewrite for the female audience, since, they seem to imply, a woman can't enjoy a story unless it's about some frumpy middle aged woman lamenting over made up women's issues and acting like her hair being frizzy is the worst thing in the world, while outside her door athens is in a state of war and her brothers were just drafted. surely even women must find it offensive if they were to be honest with themselves? i find it bloody offensive, i'm offended for their sakes.

It's funny but, did you know what the most purchased anime genre among a female audience is? Shounen. The bland moeshit SOL stuff is only purchased by men. But in the western market they're too thick headed to get it. Because the industry insists they know what the audience want, and they refuse to revisit their assumptions even after year over year of declining sales, they're driving normal people away from books and killing the industry, because they refuse to knock off the narcissistic ego issues that come from the MFA degree. publishing is a small, incestuous pocket of ivy tower trust fund jackasses forcing their conception of what the public wants down the public's throat, against their protesting shrieks (declining sales), and shutting down all criticism. "they don't want every single book to have a queer nonbinary POC as the protag? they're just racist."

we're all trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death.

>>20641134
>His brainstem is sure capitalism will work once there’s enough successful genocides

>>20640372
>Similar dynamics in the American comic industry led to Anime completely dominating it.
anime and manga are fueled by slave labor. the entire industry is literally operating on illegal practices but it can't be set straight or it would shut down

>>20641043
>noooo, anyone who complains that literature has been kneecapped and taxidermied for the sake of promoting nothing but nonstop leftist political agendas is just a /pol/cel!

fuck off chaim. I remember the early 2000s when racism was over. now we have BLM riots and generation zyklon getting horny over nazi waifus. oh and it all started after OWS. imagine! to keep them from fighting a class war, get them fighting a race war, and the same useful idiots will mindlessly repeat anti-capitalist slogans they don't comprehend the meaning of, while serving as the footsoldiers of capitalist jews, so normal people get turned off from the aspiration to destroy capitalism as it will only be associated with vapid deranged self-mortifying blue haired retards with sociology degrees. amazing.

i hate this planet. i just wanted to read books.

>>20641161
>The bland moeshit SOL stuff is only purchased by men
because they jerk off to it. men are the actual problem here. we have two generations of 35 somethings and younger who are entirely enslaved to porn and will only pay for porn. I cannot find a single venue sustained by straight white men that isn't porn. There are only a few fringe cases of people supporting reactionary talking heads out of frustration toward a system they created themselves. Cucks and simps and cumbrains should all be exterminated.

>>20640618
Half the series is ghostwritten, and complete shit for it. Loses a great deal of credibility, even with it being a YA series

>>20641139
we definitely do. everyone is horny, but only middle aged women are horny enough to spend money on books that make them cry and sploosh

>>20641154
have some experience in the industry, mainly marketing and editing. rest is study and industry news and contacts. if you don’t wanna market yourself at full capacity, get published traditionally lmao
but even after you get published, your publisher will make you market yourself to keep your audience interested, and because you’re not their only writer—they even do this for memoirs (e.g. setting up a YouTube channel to talk about writing, being active on tiktok, etc.). either way, it’s inescapable.

>>20641120
They will buy. Game of Thrones may be trash but it was the last non-woke trash to go viral. What wokeshit goes viral? none. no one outside of a handful of rabid baristas buys the shit. GoT got normalfags to read, because it wasn't thinly veiled leftist propaganda masquerading as novels. The fat bastard wrote what actual normal people wanted to read and got normies who never read books to pick one up. The sjw leftist yaaasss queen rags are trying to bleed money out of the same declining, impoverished group of cattle over and over again. The larger audience is the people who WOULD read if they were presented with books they actually want to read. And again, GoT got them buying, people loved it. Now nothing like it comes out (meaning: books that are not thinly veiled leftist propaganda, that had women who act like women and men who act like men, straight relationships, political incorrectness at times, sex appeal, and red blooded action that wasn't castrated behind glowing light up pretend-swords that some bald guy with a beard drops his jaw over.)

You know what actual marketers do? They know they got the brand loyalists in the bag already, so they target THE OTHER 75% OF THE POPULATION. because marketers are intelligent enough to know how to market. meanwhile the literary agency shoves its head in the sand and keeps doing the same thing that gets lower sales every year, even when everyone is screaming that we don't want the crap they're trying to sell us, we want the crap they're rejecting for not being bloody fucking woke enough to tickle their marxist panties.

>>20641183
I entirely agree that scrotes being pornography addicted coomers are always the problem but I also need them to man up and buy books again because I masturbate to the male-audience selection with the hot husbandos. I don't know why they think women want to read books about other women all the fucking time. Like I want to read about some insufferable stacy cunt I'd rather deck than cheer. Pornography is a jewish industry by the way. Funny how every problem I encounter is caused by the same 2% of the population.

>>20641201
>either way, it’s inescapable.
Yeah I know, this is why I gave up. At least technically, because it's been eating me alive for years and I can't stop seething. I fucking hate social media so much, I fucking hate it.

>>20641181
read books you like then, no one is stopping you. if you’re reading whatever makes mainstream success according to the New Yorker or pozzed big titty goth gf social media whores and then getting upset it’s not about you or it’s not your book that is getting recognition from western sois (extreme faggot behaviour btw), that’s on you.

>>20641221
bro I fucking hate it too, it’s soul crushing. but I suppose one way to look at it is to just create things you like and talk about writing the way you wish someone else would talk to you about it. start the conversation and others will join in, just like on here

>>20641221
1940: you write books and if they're good, they pay you for them
2022: the ven diagram between onlyfans and publishing has a 95% crossover region

If I wanted to be a whore I'd be a fucking whore without writing a fucking book as an extra step on the side. Fuck social media and fuck every normalfag who uses that trash. It's all bots and algo fuckery by coombrained shitjeets anyway. Hitler was right. Ban pornography, ban all social immorality. return to tradition. I'd rather have a tradcath theocracy than have to shake my ass on twittok to sell a book to a room temperature 20-something karen. I hope steve jobs is burning in hell for inventing the glowing rectangle that destroyed civilization.

fuck woke agents, fuck MFA grads, fuck corpo marxists and woke capital, fuck smartphones and botnet, and fuck the chinese for pushing tiktok on us, like the US wasn't cancerous enough without a viral whore platform.

>>20641229
THE GATEKEEPERS ARE STOPPING ME
THAT'S THE POINT
THAT'S WHY I'M ANGRY
NOTHING CAN PASS UNLESS IT'S WOKEBAIT

>>20641202
>GoT
The TV series was 12 years ago which is before things went to shit and the books started in 1991. That's 30 years ago; this series was established in a completely different era. And nobody read the books after the TV series blew up. Let me explain something to you: normies are retarded. They buy books but they don't read them. What they buy them for is home decor. Also you are completely wrong when you say that GoT isn't woke. It does not feature a forced diversity cast but it appeals to leftist sensibilities. It's full of sex and "morally grey" people, all sense of morality is punished and portrayed as naive and stupid. And so on.

>>20641248
>anon does the "[x] was 30 years ago" meme on me
just kill me, don't leave me bleeding out.

Actually I did know a lefty guy who would preach on and on about this fucking book he was reading, something like "the origin of hate: why we hate" or some feel good shite. and after months I picked it off his shelf and asked, and he confessed he never read it, just used it to virtue signal. How do you even win against a power of raw stupidity like that. It's a force of nature. Anon what am I supposed to do here. Self publishing was the only chance to remove the woke gatekeepers and instead we got a torrential sewage volcano.

>>20641248
>but it appeals to leftist sensibilities. It's full of sex and "morally grey" people, all sense of morality is punished and portrayed as naive and stupid. And so on.
Retard.

>>20639036
Can't promise I'll read it, but I'll definitely buy it and encourage my friends to buy it to help out a fellow /lit/ writer. Good luck out there man and congratulations on the published book, it's a genuine accomplishment and you should be proud

>>20641269
The 30 years ago meme is absolutely relevant because smartphones changed the world irremediably.

>>20641269
>Self publishing was the only chance
It never was. All it did was offload the marketing to the writer. In no way you'd get any quality out of this. In the end the problem is that people are stupid and lazy. They will not actively look for things but want things to be fed to them, so the lowest common denominator is always the winning formula. Self-publishing was actually the last nail in the coffin because it allowed traditional publishing to go off its own path much like contemporary fine art which is a walled garden that nobody but money laundering jews and their little whores care about.

>>20640244
>if they can’t see a 24-episode Netflix adaptation happening, they’re not interested.
I don't think people talk enough about how much of a negative impact cinema and television had on literature. It truly damaged the medium as a whole.
Reduced attention span also definitely helped conjure the current money machine that you talk about.

>>20641347
It all boils down to the death of moral values. Even before smartphones fried people's brains. Think about it, in a culture where restraint, dignity etc. are valued you'd necessarily end up with better work. You can't appeal to DUUUUDE COOM!! or other monkey-brained shit to sell so you have to make your work valuable in other ways. Once the gates came open it became inevitable that we'd end up in this clown world situation.

Its all female agents. Most of them outright pozzed, the ones who aren't are inwardly pozzed. And you would not believe the amount of Jews in the industry. You actually wouldn't believe it, it's overwhelming.

>>20640882
>>20640990
>>20641028
>>20641181
>>20641051
/pol/niggers back to your containment board. No one likes you.

>>20640576
Its hard to judge the writing given a clip like that. Unless you're doing literary, not every paragrpah is done up in creative technique and style. It should be, but humans don't have enough time or patience to have no fillers or dead paragraphs on occasion, so long as they're not noticable
That said, I don't doubt this woman is a hack

>>20641379
>I don't doubt this woman is a hack
I didn't even have to read anything to know that.

Time to start new publishing houses that take literature seriously, and build a reputation and rapport with all the people disillusioned with the current state of things. After a period of sinking money into the project, it will turn out profit based on the trust you generate in the people who love literature but are left starving.

>>20641403
>with all the people disillusioned with the current state of things
talk is cheap. these people won't pay.

>>20639036
>" "nobody's interested in stories about country bogans doing country bogan things"
True.
Nobody's interested in reading about a suburban Aussie housewife going through a divorce either. Same with stories about drovers, squatters and convicts unless you hit all the diversity quotas. The issue isn't that you're writing about straight Aussie blokes, it's that you've failed to rise above the tedium of being an Australian and delivered something truly original. Australians don't have to write about Australia (or rather, they don't have to write about the bush, the suburbs, what growing up as an immigrant in Sydney/Melbourne during the 70s was like..) and the fact they do is hackneyed cliché. I think that people here, especially younger readers, are simply tired of the same old parochial novels about the same old parochial themes- Australian literature is a dusty, shuffling mummy.

>>20639140
Women are easier to persuade into consooming more, yes.

>>20639036
Fuck it, I'll support you cobba and pick it up. Melbourne needs to be nuked.

>>20641726
>Nobody's interested in reading about a suburban Aussie housewife going through a divorce either. Same with stories about drovers, squatters and convicts
make 'em all furries, someone will read it

>>20640647
How fat are you?
What color is your hair?
How many genders do you consider yourself to be?
Do you know your sexuality?

>>20641365
I would believe it sir. Jews are 2% of the population but 90% of literary agents. 95% of agents are female. So much for diversity!

If this thread (and similar ones) are anything to go by, we aren't missing out on much when it comes to the under-represented "straight white male perspective" or whatever you want to call it--doubly so when you take into account the phony, forced praise this board has for an extremely low and carefully selected (astroturfed?) number of new-ish trash books (like Michelle Ma's reheated edgelord slop). This bitching and moaning is getting as hackneyed as the latest "The Things We Carried Up the Mountain and Lost in the Fire" NYT Bestseller. Can anyone ITT say that they're actively looking for new and interesting writers, or do you need everything spoonfed with canon-sauce?

>>20642765
Is this the most obnoxious post style ever written on 4chan? say that again in non-faggot.

>>20642797
You dum. You tourist. You no interest in book. You go back.

>>20642809
>everyone who disagrees with me is a tourist

>>20639204
>I guarantee some of these obscure, self-published books will be literary classics in a few decades
oh sweet summer child

The pursuance of "wokeness" doesn't make complete sense from a marketing perspective since it intentionally seeks to alienate one large group for a smaller group, i.e. "no white males" to "more lesbian literature."

If they're capitalists at heart, they're doing a poor job; but I do believe a lot of them are too ideological and let it get in the way of making sound decisions.

>>20642931
If the adult diaper fits...

>>20643160
>oh sweet summer child
Fuck off with the reddit speak

>>20641221
>>20641236
dude, seek help immediately.

>>20639252
How many times are you going to post that screenshot? Clearly you're more interested in how much space on your disk the books take up than actually reading them. As if downloading them is some kind of achievement.

>>20643202
touched a nerve?

>>20643202

>>20643218
he is seething my dude

>>20639036
Well done on writing your book but you've spammed this shit so much in multiple threads that it's starting to piss me off bro. Just tell us that your book is for sale and you want us to buy it rather than shilling it as a prime artifact in the culture war. Mong.

I'd like to think "normal" books by debut authors are still getting published, they just aren't promoted. You won't see them on tables in bookstores, you won't see them in goodreads emails, they're just released so quietly into the void they might as well be self-published. That's what I'd like to think, anyway. Without a subscription to publisher's marketplace or whatever, I can't confirm it, but I'd like to think so, that way we'd be able to dig through the schlock and find some new voices worth supporting. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

>>20639639
modern has always meant current

we need an anglophone Adelphi

I participate to these threads every time I see them, voicing my apocalyptic views in hope that someone will prove me wrong, that he'll tell me, no anon, look, look at this proof, this glimmer of hope, you were wrong in thinking so negatively, look at this proof of it, but it never happens. Instead I get more confirmation that things are indeed as bad as I think they are; in fact they're worse, and then a tranny tells me to take my meds.

>>20641215
What's your book anon

>>20641229
The point of the thread is that it's not successful/profitable and they won't allow anything else through.

It's pretty incredible that with all the people with internet access on the planet and with how easy it is to publish something and reach a public, the ratio of people who'll consume your product online for free vs. the people who'll give you a dollar a month is like 1:1000
Then people try to rationalize it by blaming jews or some other convoluted conspiracy
I just don't understand why it's so hard to make a fucking dollar when you're pouring all of yourself into your craft

but then I am asked to do some useless job that nobody cares about and anyone else can do. why can't I work on things I am good at? why do I have to be miserable doing these things? I don't like teamwork, I hate it. I don't like interacting with people in a work environment. I don't like sitting in front of a computer to do things for a company I don't care for. Is this just a way to get sane people to kill themselves or do hard drugs?

>>20640647
YWNBAW

I'll tell you what.
Read my Novel. Its about a loli half demon with no special power or skills, in fact, unlike every other protagonist in the history of time, she is extremely weak, yet she finds a way to become a genocidal ruler.

>>20638903
Because women buy books more than men, probably and don't look on website for e books.

>>20643472
cumbrains are an even worse problem than trannies, you should be gassed

>>20643546
its not about the sex, its a good story. It just so happens that the MC is also eyecandy

>>20640710
So how about you guys self publish online and write on the side and find a different job to pay the bills?

>>20643472
we don't need more anime writers. kill yourself.
>>20643345
basically this. i want someone to show me recently published books that are good. but they cannot. I like to believe there are good books being written and they just don't get through the wall of sjw agents because they're normal books and not miserable complaining wokefests that just bash whitey. but then I wonder if there are good books being written at all. Boomers have lead poisoning, zoomers have brain damage, everyone has ADHD and is on antidepressants. All i see is chick-lit and le edgy "smart" writing (which is midwit core for edgy semite uni-grads.) I think smartphones ruined humanity.

>>20643576
Youre an anime website, tard.
Beats the same old hollywood western tropes of muh strong femme fetale independent women and overly descriptive scene settings

>>20639036
I am going to save every bullshit reply I get from publishers and agents like you got. If and when I make it I will show how embarassingly shortsighted it all was on a blog or something. Loved your collection by the way, still need to read the second. Thanks for reminding me about Yates on GR.

>>20643580
>muh strong femme fetale independent women
Those are actually good and male fantasy, because real women are not like that and moan and want things from men instead.

>>20643624
>Those are actually good and male fantasy,
theyre not good, its a very specific male fantasy, and one thats been overdone a million times.
Give a me a cute vulnerable barely legal (or frankly illegal) girl for a change. So tired of that stereotype.
I think it plays into insecure men who want a dominant woman.

>>20641370
You /leftypol/ trannies are fucking invaders. Scram.

>>20643580
you're on a LITERATURE board and you can't think in terms of either /a/ or /tv/. LEAVE. KILL YOURSELF.

>>20643637
Youre the retard who brought up anime in the first place, it wasnt even relevant to the fucking post

>>20638645
Heartbreaking

>>20643632
>I think it plays into insecure men who want a dominant woman.
Yes, also into the fact that it actually kind of sucks being an average man and male privileged is a meme.
That said, I would do a different take on that trope, but I'm not good writing, so who cares.

>>20643654
Yeah, thats why you should read my story about the demon loli. She's vulnerable, sad, and has a horrible personality. But it's different, and you'll wish you could rape some sense into her.

But I probably wont publish it to the west though, everything there has to meet quotas

>>20643645
wtf

>>20643633
Nice try tourist.

I've posted two novels on AO3 so far because I have zero desire to interact with the publishing industry and I don't have the desire to market myself that I'd need if I were to self-publish. So far no complaints.

>>20643574
>how about you guys self publish online and write on the side and find a different job to pay the bills?
Why would I publish shit? I publish nothing and do as little as possible on my day job. If people think my most earnest efforts are worthless then I'll give them only what I get paid for. My greatest fear is dying too suddenly to destroy what's left of my physical work, that someone may actually find it valuable and put it online or use it in some way. My life is entirely fueled by resentment but it's far better than being a cuck slaving away for free for a bunch of pigs who'll then throw money at hacks for diaper fetish garbage. Fucking eat shit and die.

>>20643777
Most people are busy with work and family issues, are depressed and or on drugs desu, so it's not surprising that if they read they read porn stuff to take the edge off. If you want something ''higher'' than that then you should stop resenting them and move on. And desu, even if you only make a little money, it would still be something and maybe some of the readers would appreciate your work. In fact, people here shat on social media, but if you had some page were your readers could post their praise for your work you might feel more motivated and engaged.

>>20643777
>that someone may actually find it valuable and put it online or use it in some way

>>20643801
>Most people are busy with work and family issues
Same. Why should I use my free time to entertain them instead of making my own life better? They wouldn't do the same toward me by sacrificing their money to keep me afloat. So I'd rather invest that time/money in bird feed and feed the birds on my porch. At least animals know gratitude.
>it's not surprising that if they read they read porn stuff to take the edge off
And I hope that's the only option they will have soon. I hate people who keep believing in "art" and producing things they believe in, in hopes to keep the torch lit, far more than the pornography grifters at this point. Thanks to these retards the consoomers are just going to believe that option B will always be there when they'll need it. People who still try are literal cuck orbiters, they're like the men who will still marry a dicked out whore in her 40s instead of damning her to rot alone.
>If you want something ''higher'' than that then you should stop resenting them and move on.
I decide what to do with my hatred.
>And desu, even if you only make a little money, it would still be something and maybe some of the readers would appreciate your work.
Oh sweet, a penny! Then they'll appropriate my work and do shit I hate with it. Or they'll bitch at me for not doing things the way they imagined. No relationship here is founded on the slightest bit of respect. You're some sort of underpaid vending machine. People are all pigs now.
>if you had some page were your readers could post their praise for your work you might feel more motivated
Why would I care that a bunch of chronically online tards and bots may post praise about my work on cancer-inducing social media? You know that the praise isn't even sincere since people legitimately think it counts as currency? The only right move is to punish normalfags and produce nothing.

>>20643889
yep my grapes are sour, you're missing nothing

>>20639036
I just bought your book because I like your gumption

>>20639830
Neurotic genocidal Jews run the publishing industry. This book makes perfect sense in that context.

>>20643892
I doubt someone overflowing with hatred is actually a good writer, so no loss on you. You're so insufferably miserable dude, attend therapy.

>>20643892
So are you writing because you enjoy it or because you want to get filthy rich? Because if you are writing for your own sake then even get that penny on the side would be added bonus.

>>20639290
omfg I need moar like this!

totally would read in my jayjays

>>20643968
>So are you writing because you enjoy it
I enjoy it. I also want basic rewards for my efforts. The two things are not mutually exclusive and only retards would believe so.
>>20643963
>>20643898

>>20643916
Back to /pol/, incel.

>>20641183
people don't jerk off to slice of life. men watch it because it gives a sense of normalcy and comfort to their oppressive lonely lives.

>>20644030
He’s not wrong though kike

>>20644030
You need to go to /pol/. Maybe then you'll grow a pair.

https://www.amazon.com/Hate-Antichrist-Apocrypha-Bible-Kekism/dp/B097X5VLRW
Just publish on amazon

>>20644074
That's a lie. I have watched one of those cartoons and it was fucking unwatchable. The only reason why anyone would endure slice of life anime is what anyone watches shitty cartoons for: shipping the characters and jerking off

>>20643968
>if you enjoy your job you should be happy not getting paid

>>20644294
It should not be your job at all, find a job that pays the bills and the write in the side for your pleasure, and if you make some money from it then that's even better.

>>20638645
Does this guy not have an internet connection?

I feel there's a difference between "writer" and "yuppie who wrote Animorphs and is bitter nobody respects that."

There's one guy working at my company, he does marketing and SEO, he's the editor, he built and runs the website, he's the content lead, and he's me. I'd say I'm a literary agent, but what does that even mean? That I know how to type draft2digital into a search engine?

>>20644286
>I have watched one
We got a subject matter expert in the thread, anons!

>>20644302
COUNTLESS great works would never have had the time or resources to be made if they weren't a source of income for the author.
It's like you want literature to be shitty.

>>20638645
If this is such a common sentiment on this board and similar spaces, why does the demand for /lit/ style publishing not spur the creation of its own publisher?

>>20643188
>The pursuance of "wokeness" doesn't make complete sense from a marketing perspective since it intentionally seeks to alienate one large group for a smaller group
Why do luxury cars exist when they alienate the majority of people who can only afford a hatchback?

>>20644406
Because as much as they hate them, /lit/ needs the publishing world stamp of approval. Their deference is terminal, even when it's wrapped up in stale rants about blacks and trannies.

>>20644302
>and the write in the side for your pleasure
LMAO is that an order? What authority do you have to tell me this? You can tell me to write "for my pleasure" as effectively as you can tell a woke talking head to stop grifting for money, and I guarantee I enjoy creating far more than the latter (or you, because I doubt you ever created anything).

>>20641183
It's more like male spaces are considered evil and destroyed. Anywhere that is male focused is first criticized then litigated. Men simply dont have a voice in a western society of boomers and women that try to crush them by rewriting the law so that men are actually overtly 2nd class citizens.

>>20642765
exactly. they want mainstream markets to spoonfeed them what they think is good rather than looking for the things they like.

>>20643574
dunno if this is meant to be some ‘ohh gotcha nibba’ moment, but sure, fine. I edit technical docs from home for near $80k p.a. and write ‘on the side’. the bills are paid, I get short stories published and upload other ones on social media because I like doing it, and then I work on novels.

>>20643387
if it doesn’t have profit potential, it doesn’t get published. clearly, poorly written work gets published, but because it has profit potential—this is how a lot of romance novels get published. I’ve repeated myself in other posts about your point, I agree with you to some extent and gave my answers already. I’m confused as to what kind of novels/stories you’re looking for but aren’t being published, and I say that genuinely. what do you expect or want to ‘pass the gatekeepers’ and get mainstream success? open question to anyone ITT.

>>20639276
underrated answer
the flow of money is controlled by the few.
it is often not even the money itself. People don't control the water but the tap that opens or closes it. Quite a lot of funding is donated to causes by rich but its controls is basically done by a cabal of 3 to 15 people, they decide how the fundings are spent, even if they don't get one dime benefit they are the shot callers, whose works to be funded, which conferences will be allowed, what kind of topics and themes will be next and what work will get the award.

Many are not even paid at all, they control millions of dollars but not paid one time, they get off by the power of controlling a million.

>>20638645
My pet theory that I have no evidence but a gut feeling to back up is that book sales are so shit right now if a publisher can't see the book getting adapted into a show or movie no problem they simply won't publish it, as that's where most of the money comes from now. It certainly explains the fact that every book nowadays seems to be written for the purpose of becoming a screenplay, with no love being put into the prose or the things that make books a unique narrative medium. It's quite sad, and honestly I hope I'm wrong and there's a less cynical reason for all this.

>Boohoo publishers bad
Literally NOBODY reads anything anymore. You want to be a professional author? You missed that boat by 100 years, who do you think you are Mickey Spillane? You better start a podcast, or submit screenplays to Netflix. Fucking idiots on this board, I swear to Christ.

>>20645747
I'm not submitting my screenplay to netflix, they'll ruin it without a doubt.

>>20645763
>I'm not submitting my screenplay to netflix, they'll ruin it
Trust me, you don't need any help.

>>20645781
Nah, if it gets made it'd be a cult hit, I'm very certain of that.

>>20640244
This is encouraging to me since I'm an ausfag who just wants to write shitty crime thrillers than get Netflix adaptations

>>20645747
Don’t go this route. I write for a fairly popular show. It is stressful. I make 40k a year and put in roughly 50 hours a week with tight deadlines

>>20644302
I can understand the necessity of getting a job to live, but it's always a compromise that in the end will hurt your work. If you want to be a truly great writer, you must make it a priority at the expense of all things.

>>20645834
Wow, you must be a very successful and famous writer AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>20645836
More successful than you baby boy

>>20644313
one is enough, arr rook same

>>20645687
>the flow of money is controlled by the few.
you misspelled a word there

>>20645834
Maybe, but it could also inspire you in some ways.

>>20646196
>it could also inspire you in some ways.
How does *your* day job inform your writing, anon?

>>20646545
I don't know, I'm just a student, but I also know that me and my fellow students would write human interactions in a very vapid way precisely because they don't have experience. Depending on your job you might actually be better at writing because it would give you more perspective into human interactions. Unless you are a janny or something.

>>20646573
>would write
You mean you don't write?

>>20646586
Well, that's for the best.

>>20641370
I like them, more than you in fact.

>>20641271
Cope

>>20646594
So you don't write and you don't work, but you still lecture people who do both about what they should do with their lives. Why are you so adamant about defending a broken narrative just because it's been taught to you by talking heads? Reality is that you do not get good art if you start with the assumption that people who are actually motivated to make art should not earn a single dime to sustain themselves with their craft, not to mention getting a remotely humane treatment. What you will obtain is the exact opposite: that whorish grifters with no integrity who publish commerce-purpose slop will be the ones carrying on. There are a lot of artists who'd live on minimum wage to produce art but somehow that's greedy. I think consumers are entitled as fuck and they deserve nothing but pig feed.

>>20646715
Whatever anon, you can bitch all you want if that makes you feel better. We are not entitled to fame and recognition.

>>20646777
>We are not entitled to fame and recognition.
You are if you're good.

>>20646830
That's subjective. See, I agree that most of the bestsellers now are meh at best, but they cater to subjective needs of the audiences.
Reject mainstream (unless you want to use them for fame and money) and do your own thing.

>>20639830
If all that changed was skin color (and not intelligence, temperament, and culture) then the world wouldn't change one bit if this happened irl

>>20646846
>good writing is subjective
ngmi

>>20646938
How would you know, when premise is essentially magical.
>>20646949
Life is too short to care about what some people with their subjective needs and wants declare as objective good.

>>20646971
>How would you know, when premise is essentially magical.
Because skin color, while the most visible aspect of race, is the least consequential aspect

>>20646999
trips of truth

>>20646846
>Reject mainstream (unless you want to use them for fame and money) and do your own thing.
Why can you commies only process J.K. Rowling tier "fame and money" vs. earning fucking nothing, zero? Are you retarded on purpose? I even talked about minimum wage.

>>20646777
>We are not entitled to fame and recognition.
Also this is true but people are not entitled to me leaving anything behind for them either. In fact as far as I'm concerned they can suck a dick.

>>20641120
I'd argue that the book market is so minuscule in comparison to practically every other medium (such as movies, games, etc.) from an economic stadnpoint that the reason for why it is nowadays can't be reduced to purely economic factors. Like of course trends dictate the currents that people writing potboilers will follow but the general push for "the cancer" comes more from the authority and prestige people associate with literature (and by proxy, academia). I guess what I mean to say that the appropriation of literature (and academia) is more a part of establishing and maintaining cultural hegemony (and liquidating rivals) than it is a part of grifters grifting and prostituting the arts and academia - anybody who just wants to do that and nothing else has much greener pastures to graze on.

>>20647025
I'm not a commie, nigger, and you can't make them pay you, pointless to bitch about that.
>>20647037
Fair enough.

>>20647039
So even if "the chuds" did buy books and throw their economic weight around it still wouldn't matter because the source of the cancer is up top, it's not a reaction to the way things are turning out down on the level of bookstores.

>>20645822
Based Young Sheldon writer

>>20647039
>the book market is so minuscule […] from an economic stadnpoint that the reason for why it is nowadays can't be reduced to purely economic factors
On the contrary that's exactly why I think the economy factors in the most. If the industry is starving and it doesn't take much money to stay alive it will try to earn money from the safest sources available. Woke upper class American women have horrible taste and they WILL pay for overpriced diversity cancer which is also easy to produce. Same with cumbrains if your medium is a good vehicle for pornography. It keeps the boat running and it's safe. Now is the greater, global scale push for vaguely brown trannies everywhere the work of a small elite of jews? Yes absolutely. Is every single publisher in the hand of a shlomo? I doubt it.

>>20639036

The "intellectual" class in Australia is utterly beyond redemption. I don't know how a group of people can be so self-hating, yet utterly self-obsessed at the same time. So viciously critical of anything Australian, yet so brainlessly adulatory of anything shat out of elite circles of Europe and the US.

>>20647097
if they hate white people so much, why do they always live in pure white areas? sell your $5,000,000 house to an underprivileged negro family for $20k and go live in the ghetto. When I see rich houses with BLM signs up, I rip them out. They're hypocrites. If they like blacks so much they can go live amongst them. But they go out of their way to live in the lily-white areas and then have the nerve to put up a BLM sign. Meanwhile I've actually lived in the black areas (cheap rent) and even had black housemates, but I get called a racist by some overprivilged leftist in a pure white gated community. The leftism can be cured by forcing them to live as they tell others to. Make them all move to detroit and south-side chicago, and whatever equivalent is in ausfailia. They talk mad shit but at the end of the day they're just hypocrites, they're the ones who are actually oppressing the working class (the whites who rent in black areas because they're poor too.) All while they spout off shit about Marx and BLM. They know they get away with murder and are overpaid midwits who made a fortune on pure luck, and it eats them up inside, so they go bash other people who are just trying to get by for a taste of moral superiority. They'll burn in hell twice as hot.

>>20647855
I always said that being rich gives you mental illness but now I genuinely believe that the rich are predisposed to a certain mental configuration that makes them do this shit on purpose. They are not well-meaning idiots who think all whites are rich and privileged. They're also not necessarily smart enough to endorse the race war vs. class war thing consciously. Instead they vaguely understand that it's convenient for them to play that part and they do it. They are confident enough in the interests of their class that they'll blindly follow what others do within it. The poor are not a group, like peasants, they're just failed rich people. It's a really perverted situation.

>>20646830
We do not live in a meritocracy, actually.

>>20638645
Say, if one wrote a book about a revolution against the evil globohomo, what would be the chances of publishing it?

>>20638645
Books aren't a relevant medium for most men, and those that do only care about old fiction, biographies and war stuff. AWFLs are the only demographic that will buy a new book.

>>20640836
The same people who dominate college lit departments: young white women. They act like buying "queer native 2 spirit lit" is somehow atonement for the atrocities of their ancestors.

>>20648383
>is somehow atonement for the atrocities of their ancestors.
lmao no, they just think it makes them look good and hip

>>20647097
Love that pic brother!

>>20647097
Do you happen to live in Fremantle?

>>20643632
>don't give me this shitty trope for retards, give me this other shitty trope for retards instead!
This is why culture is dead. I hope you all fucking die.

>>20643402
Neoliberalism

>>20646110
underrated

>>20639036
KING

>>20640576
holy shit i thought she was trying for stream of consciousness from the point of view of a child (portrait of the artist style) until that last sentence.

>>20644416
because the people who can only afford a hatchback will buy a hatchback, and if all major carmakers decided to only make luxury cars, small/new hatchback makers would be extremely successful. if there was a large population of alienated men looking for new books in bookstores while all major publishers wanted was wokeness, minor publishers and self publishing wouldnt have remained so small for this long.

Unironically does being a minority really help you get published?
I'm an asian australian transgender woman and I like to write but I figure nobody would ever want to read what I've written
As someone who is very masculine I like writing things that men are more interested in but would that not be a detriment?

>>20649818
From what I understand troons, although they get published, are pretty much expected to restrict themselves to confessional semi-autobiographic identityslop. Even if you write in an area like genre fiction where plot gets given more priority your agent/editor will probably want some kind of social commentary pertaining to your identity, but it might come down on the side of your Asian heritage rather than your trooness.

>>20649818
Unironically yes take a look https://youtu.be/xDMnYpR8C-k
And you need Jesus Christ in your life to stop being a tranny. Repent and become a traditional Catholic, reject your satanic lifestyle before it's too late. God has always loved you and continues to love you but he hates what you are doing.
>as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
- Jude 1:7

>>20639036
I bought your book Lewis and I'm really proud to consider you a peer, probably a bit bold to say so though desu. I have published my work overseas in USA because people here don't want my perspective either, only short stories though.

>>20638645
Kek at literal trannies and niggers being better writers than you. If you were better, you would have been published. Simple as. Blaming the industry is pure cope

>>20649979
Unironically this. The market decides what is best, the whiteoids in this thread are all loser communists who want daddy Marx to force publishers to print their loser drivel.

>>20650000
Blessed quads

>>20649979
Publication is not quality

>>20650014
The money goes to what is best as the cream rises to the top. Why should some white doing the same boring MFA style middle class woe and ennui be published when there is much better stuff out there. The market should never be communized. That leads to lower quality

>>20649818
>very masculine
>transgender woman

?

BOO HOO. You fags just want to cry about it. Want to see more straight white men get published? Then be the change you want to see. Write better

>>20650029
What makes you think they're publishing the cream? The cream isn't even getting sent into the publishing houses anymore.

>>20650276
Why wouldn’t they want to publish the cream? They want to make money. Ask readers if they want to read good books or not. They’ll say they do. Money is tight out there so why spend it on low quality writing? The money is always right. To think otherwise is disingenuous

>>20650288
Nobody's buying cream nowadays either. It's all being exported to China, or somewhere.

>>20649977
Thank you kind anon. What's your book? I might check it out

>>20649977
Where are you living now? And what's their perspective?

>>20639252
>>20649503

>>20650271
also you have to buy more of the stuff you want to see more of. in a market economy, sales are like votes. you can say you want to see more of something, but if you don't actually put your money where your mouth is, no one cares.

Because everything panders to terminally online millennialoids that make the civilized, normal ones look like shit. Millennials really do kill everything.

>>20650444
shut the fuck up, boomer

>>20650324
They're just in journals, I don't have enough good stories yet to put into a collection. I have only just started getting published by journals. I was recently in Chicago Quarterly Review.
>>20650330
Australia.

>>20650296
No one is buying anything. Book that don't exist are bought using fake money and reviews are fake accounts generated by bots meant to generate advertisement revenue on dead sites only bots know how to access.

>>20650751
Unironically the most likely explanation for quite a lot of things.
t. works in venture capital. There is no fucking way people are making money on the kinds of stupid fucking startups I see being invested in. It's got to be some kind of advanced tax dodging scheme or money laundering op. And likewise these 300,000 books a year that are published and I have no idea who the fuck would ever read this fucking trash.

>>20650243
Well I like masculine authors like Patrick O'Brian, Tolkien, Umberto Eco, Borges and Tolstoy
>>20649968
I don't think Catholicism is right, I think Protestants have it right desu
>>20649942
Yeah that's what I figured, I have no interest in either so I'm probably not going anywhere

>>20648681

Yes, I have lived around that area for most of my life.

>>20639774
I could maybe adopt you.

>>20638645
Why not be your own agent?

>>20639036
yeah yeah yeah and lolita was published by publisher most known for erotica. mainstream shite will always be mainstream shite.

>>20646938
That's what I was thinking too, what a pointless and retarded fucking idea.

>>20647855
>>20647944

This is what's known in elite theory as High + Low versus Middle. The elites ally with the dregs of society (which rely on them financially and have no independent existance), in order to attack the middle. The end goal being to destroy any power centres which are independent of the elite class. Once you become aware of that behaviour pattern you start seeing it everywhere, from BLM to the COVID lockdowns.

>>20650817
The three title stories in that book are true accounts of my misspent youth living in Fremantle 2000-2003

>>20650841

Interesting. At that time I was a primary school kid attending St Patrick's, which is right in the middle of town. Seeing petrol-stoned aboriginals and schizophrenic homeless people all the time was quite an education in the realities of the world at that age.

>>20650849
I used to go to an NA meeting in the hall at the back of St Patricks

>>20639036
is this stealth marketing? genius

>>20650784
>these 300,000 books a year that are published and I have no idea who the fuck would ever read this fucking trash.
Anon I am so sorry but you greatly overestimate the intellect of the average cattleperson. The other day I had a middle-aged woman sitting next to me on the train. She was playing this super chinky candy crush knockoff mobile game filled with exploding gems and lots of spastic animated buttons which is already an unfathomably braindead activity, but not only that. Every time she completed a level there were several ads and she just endured them in full. She just stared at the fucking ad until it was over, like 2 minutes, and then she resumed the braindead game for another 2 minutes until she got more ads. It was like watching a fucking rat in a lab. The vast majority of normies don't have adblockers on their browser and just navigate these pages that are bursting with cancer. The very cream of the crop, smartest people use shit like Brave because clicking like 2 times to install Ublock on an actual browser requires too much brain power. Normalfags are unironically animal-tier retarded; the only difference is that because life requires them to, they take these paths of learning and they learn to be, say, engineers, or teachers, or whatever they need in order to deal with life. But this apparent intelligence is heavily compartmentalized, you know, it's like teaching a chimpanzee to use a skateboard. When he's not doing half pipes he's still a fucking retarded chimpanzee who acts like a fucking chimpanzee.

>>20651573
Other examples not related with technology: people who need to tie shit somewhere ON A DAILY BASIS will not learn how to make basic knots. They'll think "oh I'll just make tons of simple gnots one on dop of de oder so it's zecoore and simble gnot izy tu undie :DDDDDD" WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING LEARN TO MAKE A PROPER KNOT? I don't even know the names, I'm not a sailor, but for fuck's sake why don't you learn? Then I show them, look, just do it like this, it's very simple and they look at me with those braindead cow eyes and they're probably thinking "whoa this guy is autistic, why did he learn to make a knot if he's not a sailor? sailor knot, not sailor no knot, WEIRD?!?!?!"
I hate normalfags so much

asynclitically

>>20651599
This old woman I met who did crosswords looked up shit on Alexa instead of trying to guess the words and she thought that was exactly the same since the results were the same. As long as you guess the word it's OK. Even if she took way longer to complete a crossword and her stupid cow brain remained inactive throughout.
A person I know buys a new computer every ˜3 years instead of cleaning it. I tell him dude, take a can of compressed air, you open the back, spray it a bit to remove the dust. You will not have problems. But no, it cannot be just dust clogging the fans. The computer just "went bad" so he buys another one. If normies were not taught that getting oil changes and other routine shit on a car is essential to its functioning, they'd buy a new car every few years. They are literally too dumb to think "is there a way to perform maintenance on this item to extend its life?" on their own. They have to be told that by a figure of authority (like a mechanic or a car salesman). These are sane, functioning middle class human beings in a 1st world context. Now imagine 3rd worlders must be EVEN DUMBER. Can you IMAGINE how fucking dumb people are on average?

>>20650784
I once worked an embarrassingly long time at a doomed company that in the end I’m pretty sure was just a roundabout way for the VC to pay the founder for sex.

>>20639290
Now this is Podracing.

>>20651599
based exasperated knot enjoyer

Gaeilgeoir

>>20651727
this is no joking matter anon, learning to tie knots should be mandatory learning in school. it's fucking infuriating

Indon

>>20651727
>knot enjoyer
uh oh

>>20643892
You actually need a shrink. You're swallowing poison and expecting you enemies to die.
That bit about hating people who produce things they believe in is extra reprehensible. Don't sink so low to dismiss the purehearted passionate people doing things because they want to, without an expectation for cash.
Your miserly existence is grounded in dollars and cents, and misguided antagonism.

>>20644286
I'll bite. Which one?

>>20652006
I think it was.yuru yuri

>>20652001
>Don't sink so low to dismiss the purehearted passionate people
It's not the action nor the motives I despise, but the results and the naïvete. They're on the same levels of stupid of people who genuinely think that ditching their perfectly serviceable car for a brand new electric car helps reduce pollution, as if electric car batteries, producing a new car etc. were not far worse to the environment than using the car you already own.

>>20650029
>same boring MFA style middle class woe and ennui
ironick

>>20650829
Same concept has been running for thousands of years, look up the patronage system of Rome.

>>20639734
The amateur writers here who identify with the plight of the "straight white male" or hate the woke mindset just lack perspective and feel demoralised by the industry's pervasive and fixation on exotic identities. Wokeness is one of those great excuses which allows them to slip into idleness or complacency because it's all too hard and there are villains out there who are preventing them from getting a foot in the door (aka immediate effortless literary greatness). Bottom line is that being a writer is a long term career for people who are prepared to be rejected and humiliated again and again before ever getting crumbs of status or some dollars to cover the rent, with few exceptions. The only difference the woke shit makes is that mediocre new minority writers get published but mediocre white dudes get rejected because they aren't saleable. The solution is to get good at writing so you aren't mediocre anymore.

>>20652760
>Wokeness is one of those great excuses
Not a writer but fucking kill yourself you lying tranny scumbag. You people disgust me so fucking much.