/lit/ - Literature

>>20630208
Call of the Crocodile

kino thread and i will be bumping

VGH THE HOTDOG ADS OV SVBVRBIA

The hated Roger Scruton
>many people identified themselves primarily in religious rather than national terms. Hassan al-Banna, who founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928, told his followers that bringing together the world's Muslims in a supra-national Islamic State, a Caliphate, should be a top priority.

>By contrast Europeans are more inclined to define ourselves in national terms. In any conflict it is the nation that must be defended. And if God once ordered otherwise, then it is time he changed his mind. Such an idea is anathema to Islam, which is based on the belief that God has laid down an eternal law and it is up to us to submit to it: that is what the word Islam means: submission.

>The Muslim Brotherhood has always sought to be a mass movement, seeking to establish itself by popular support. But its most influential leader, Sayyid Qutb, denounced the whole idea of the secular state as a kind of blasphemy, an attempt to usurp the will of God by passing laws that have a merely human authority.

>When God makes the laws, the laws become as mysterious as God is. When we make the laws, and make them for our purposes, we can be certain what they mean. The only question then is "who are we?" What way of defining ourselves reconciles democratic elections with real opposition and individual rights? That, to my mind, is the most important question facing the West today.

>Muh 1950s

>>20630208
>trad
>the 50s
You don’t read, you won’t read any books we recommend you, go back to the pit you crawled from.
Also
>Islamic primitives who’ve barely crawled out of the desert
>barely even medieval sense of justice
Pottery
I like the brief critique of Islam in Pascal’s Pensees, that book is at least broken up into bursts short enough that you can keep up.

>>20630208
The new Elvis movie any good?

>>20630255
It's kino

>>20630208
Literally anything pre-ww2.

>>20630208
Sage and off topic

>rod dreher

>>20630208
None of this is Trad. Go back to pol.

>>20630208
You know you can still dance with girls?

>the 50s
>trad
breh

>>20630208
>gay people are trad
>protecting gay people from violence is trad

>>20630208
The 50s wasn’t trad, but it was definitely sane.

>American GDP was 50-60% of the world total
>Rest of the world in ruins or a shithole, except America
>US had #1 GDP per capita, #1 life expectancy, #1 healthcare system, #1 education system, #1 standard of living
>US mogged everyone else militarily, including the USSR (it took until the late 60s/70s for the USSR to catch up militarily)
>New wonders abound from rockets to space travel to jets to atomic power to TV to proto-computers
>The perfect balance of technology and constraint
>Peak atompunk aesthetics
>Normality Conservative (no trad)
It was the ultimate "US #1 time". I'm sad I didn't get to live through it but at least I got to experience a miniturized version in the 90s.

you're a faggot and probably underage

>>20630208
It's telling how even when you go back and look at what was written during these objectively shit times, all of the chuds are entirely forgotten and chad lefties endured. But like jew or something. Whatever.

>>20630208

>>20630562
Imagine being a 20 something in the 50s, being the first generation to own a personal 4000 ibs deathmachine you can drive to the movies/diner with your cutie. Experimental food was shit though but God bless the hamburger and coke combo.

>>20630208
The Messenger of Allah(pbuh) said, "Islam began as something strange and will return to being strange. So blessed are the strangers-"

>>20630208
Wagner's foremost critique of modern culture.

>>20630226
Behold, the hubris of the west! No sane man can look at the current state of the west and say with certainty that the liberal experiment has been a success.

>>20630208
Rod Dreher is garbage.

>Give me your best trad books.
Holy Bible NRSV Catholic Edition
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Plato
Aristotle's Organon & Metaphysics
Summa
St. Augustine's Confessions and City of God
The Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Documents
The Rhine Flows Into The Tiber
Iota Unum

>Trad that critiques Islam, ultimate trad.
The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran by Christoph Luxenberg

tldr: Islam is false, and mistranslated from the beginning. Protestants are very much the same, in the same way. BTFOing other religions is not nearly as important as personally coming to find the truth of Catholicism for yourself and living the way Jesus has commanded.

>>20630226
muslims of the early 20th were absolutely correct to unite in a political movement. zionism, also a political movement akin to anarchist and communist movements in europe and russia, was actively seeking to take their land. religion had very very little to do with the origins of the israeli-palestinian conflict.

>>20631156
>living the way Jesus has commanded

So, when are giving all your possessions away like Jesus commands you?

Call of the Crocodile

>>20630208
you have to be 18 to post on this website

>>20631265
>oh yeah Jesus was the way?
>well why aren't you perfect then?
silence, retard.

>>20630208
Bronze Age Mindset

>>20630208
I’ve said this before but you’re one of the most bizarre posters on this board. You pick a bunch of conservative intellectuals and obsess over their views on Islam even though many of these people hardly touch upon it compared to other topics. Very strange thing to dwell on, just post on /pol/ if you want to seethe about Islam

>>20630208
Go read catcher in the rye. Trad is not an aim it's those things that block the gutters when you bowl

>>20630208
There is no trad, my friend. Something that is "trad" will always have a previous cultural phenomenon that was more "trad" that it. Bacteria are more trad than humans. Bacteria master race.

>>20631008
Nice chart (although it declines precipitously after the second row).

>>20631573
mmm nah

trad is definitely a conservative movement, even among normie politics. the crunchy granola farmsteading green movement was hijacked by liberals when conservative "thinkers" were more interested in talking about wars and economic policies than actually standing up for the principles that made America great in the first place: rugged individualism, moral values, etc.

>>20630208
>1950's America
>trad

>>20632570
sayyid qutb was disgusted by the depravity and promiscuity of 1950s america

>>20631573
Midwit response

50s was the beginning of the end, better than today but not a high bar
fuck the hedonistic faggot pedo beatniks

>>20632040
>rugged individualism
>trad
America is a failed masonic experiment and the non-stop contradictions of its nature must surely soon result in its dissolution.

>>20630553
Yes, fucking twinks has been part of western culture for much longer than worshipping jews and following jewish "prophets".
>>20632040
the individualist liberalism that america defined itself by has directly led to the rise of progressive statism and the decline of community

>>20632787
nice buzzwords

>>20632800
you're taking one example and generalizing it.

i guarantee you "rugged individualism" does not mean living on a farm in isolation from your farmer neighbors. it means being able to take care of yourself without corporate help. sadly this hasn't been the case for decades, we've hardly ever lived in an actual free market economy. corporates and government programs shape the agricultural sector's budgets as much as their yield does. speculators have almost the same effect as gerrymandering in political races: it's a rigged game when the powerful decide who their voters are and not the other way around.

statism is a consequence of capital, allowed by overreaching courts decades ago and every year since. the people don't run this country anymore, and haven't for a hundred years. banks run the show.

that's not to say things are hopeless. just that you can't blame "progressivism" or liberalism alone. the decline of community happened in the 1960s when the federal government forced integration. it happened when people started looking to movies and music as a national monoculture. it happened with netflix and amazon. it's happening now with echo chambers. the pot is boiling my dear frog.

Ill shill this here because its topical, relevant, and timely:
The One Straw Revolution, by Masanobu Fukuoka.
Written in 1978, it describes his efforts to develop an ethical farming system that requires less work and does not damage the land. He was enormously successful. It came to mind yesterday hearing about the farmer protests in the Netherlands. Bad practices over generations have resulted in an endgame for the industrial Dutch farmer: you are poisoning the land, and its ruined, and we claim the right to put you out over it. Even though they are totally lying about thier real reasons, they do have an environmental case. Everyone does, industrial farming is not good, not good at all.
If these farmers had been developing and practicing an ethical farming approach, there would be zero, zero accusation against them for any pollutants or similar concern.

I feel it may be a race against time to develop such ethical farming methods in time to avoid the same endgame pinch in my homeland.

>>20631573
Filtered by Guenon(PBUH)

>>20630216
Even though I am sick and tired of this meme format, I agree with your point here that nostalgia for the 1950s as "trad" is kind of silly desu