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>>20620552
Christianity was never about peace. Don't confuse its pity with utilitarianism.

>>20620557
>sacred book specifically tells you to not be violent, love your enemies, and turn away from war
>not pacifist
Ok

>>20620552
Christian commandments contradict each other and are impossible to mutually satisfy, and thus the order with which certain commandments were ignored in order to preserve others came to follow the interests of entrenched power

>>20620552
"Meek" in "The meek shall inherit the earth" is a poor translation. The more correct idea is "those who have swords and the ability to use them but determine to keep them sheathed"

>>20620564
Sacred books are for the plebs to fall on lone as the state steals from its neighbors, getting obscene numbers of people killed in the process. The sacred books keep you in line, keep you mollified, subservient.
Church fathers tell you when it’s time to meet your maker. Churches and the states they’ve served aren’t in the business of peace. That’s just a story

>>20620564
>>sacred book specifically tells you to not be violent, love your enemies, and turn away from war
Try reading it you imbecile.

>the religion of peace
>I have come not to bring peace, but come with a sword.
>I will - unlike John the Baptist - cause sons to rise against their fathers, daughters against their mothers, as you have not recognised my oneness with the Father and no repentance (metanoia) is possible.
The indeed pacifistic belief that the meek (ptokhoi) shall inherit the earth is tempered by the hatred of the ineradicable earthly corruption of each generation, a hatred that always - to reverse Hosea 6:6 - always requires a blood sacrifice rather than mercy. And blood alone moves the wheels of history. Thank you.

>>20620552
Saint Justin Popovic said God allowed Europeans to conquer the world so that they might spread Christianity. As they were more interested in money than the Faith he shattered their empires.
>>20620557
>>20620566
You two are exceptionally retarded.

>>20620552
>Uh hey man, let's not talk about things that drive us apart. There's enough division in this country as it is. Now is a time to heal and come together. Let's talk about things we have in common, like our favorite brands, stores, and uh, like music and stuff. Religion just drives people apart and gives rise to hatred. We need science to tell us about the world. Hatred and forcing your beliefs on others? That ain't cool man. Have you ever seen the movie Religilous? .... Uh hey man, you ever been to Whataburger?

>>20620571
>on lone
IN LINE
Focking keypad

>>20620584
I did, it specifically says all of those things. You're just coping over the fact that you don't want to actually do the very things you claim to believe in

>>20620552
>For I have not come to bring peace, but to bring a sword.
Jesus Christ
>Thou shall not kill
Jesus Christ

How do deal with these contradictions? How do I understand him?

Like how grima wormtongue influence theoden, cept no one came to help him and grima succeeded

>>20620829
See my post >>20620632 Nobody else here has given a satisfactory answer to that apparent contradiction as far I as I can tell.

>>20620850
Yes I saw it after I typed out my post. It is obvious that the predominant message in the Bible is to "turn the other cheek" and be a pacifist, but then this saying stands out so much that it's just absurd. Without it would have been perfect.

>>20620863
Every generation is corrupted enough by the residual tide of those unwilling to repent for their own insufficiencies. This purification of each generation requires a blood sacrifice - a messiah with a sword, if you will. When the blood sacrifice of each generation is completed, the meek shall then inherit the earth of that generation. The contradiction here is one of form rather than content. Si pacem velis, para bellum!

If you don't believe, then research the occult teachings, research Satanism and Luciferianism.
Satanists sincerely hate God and all his reflections in our 3D world. But the Luciferians (including the Masons) have great respect for Jesus, they simply substitute concepts. Jehovah's Witnesses also echo the Masons, but despite this, they recognize that Jesus, namely Jesus, is God. Of course, they fall into a terrible heresy, therefore they call God the Father (God of the Old Testament) the Devil of the New Testament. They call him Adonai, and represent him in the form of a serpent-Python, who is killed by Jesus-Apollo-Lucifer.
This is a very bad heresy, because it distorts the meaning of the Trinity, which is embedded in our understanding of the 3d world. But even they do not dare to commit the most terrible blasphemy, after which there is no salvation. They are afraid to blaspheme the Holy Ghost.
But Satanists utter this blasphemy because they do not worship any deity, but they worship a speculative doctrine called Chaos. They uttered this blasphemy when they allowed abortions, and now they allow "abortion" after two months of the baby being born. They already allow the killing of born children, and this is the most terrible blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. This is Herod's sin. Even God, when he destroyed the firstborn of Egypt, destroyed the firstborn, i.e. already adults who have experienced pestilence, plague and locust invasion. Okay, God didn't actually exterminate them, they just left Egypt along with the priest-commander Moskhe, this is more in line with historical monuments.
In any case, we should all know that truly misanthropic forces are fighting against us. Many already know this because these forces are fully manifest.

>>20620908
I read all of this in Alex Jones' voice.

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>>20620664
Lol Serbs didnt conquer anything

>>20620913
Ahaha.
Well, you're a Protestant.
Although I am Orthodox.
What to do, our world is complicated.

>>20620949
I am a Muslim, but yes.

what if god was a brutally indifferent god?
what if the truth was too displeasant and there was no reward in believing it?
then the idea of god wouldn't have spread as much. only a very small group of people would choose to believe it.
religion is written in a conventional way that makes it easier to spread around. what is the chance of such a thing being the real truth?

>>20620552
We barely cared about that damn book, only weirdos like Nietzche did.

>>20620557
Literally read the Gospels

>>20620632
That verse talks about the divisive nature of Christ’s teachings that would metaphorically cause communities to be cut apart as with a sword, as exactly we have seen through history as people embrace Christ and are shunned by families, communities, nation and much else, unto death. Christ asks one to lay down EVERYTHING in pursuit of the Kingdom of Heaven.

So much cope about our Lord’s words in the Sermon on the Mount. Let there be no doubt about it, everything Christ said in that sermon was completely literal. The Sermon on the Mount is teaching Christians the paradigm of all perfection. One will notice that Christ essentially tells you to imitate God Himself in this sermon multiple times—“You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48), and “For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:20). This is mirrored in Ephesians 5:1—“Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children”. These very words have been fulfilled by numerous saints and monks throughout history.

>>20620552
Nobody important actually gave a shit about religion except as a social collant and as a way to control the plebs by the time the french revolution happened

>>20621533
Blame Prots

>>20620552
This is honestly a question which shows that you've acknowledge Christianity as truth but don't realize it. The right question is how did Christianity conquer Europe? Asia, South and North America, and Africa were all splintered, divided, and a total mess, but Europe unified itself as a thought or idea despite their wars with one another. In fact, in colonialism was only made possible from local capitalism, technology, and science created by Protestants in Europe. The factt that you can say "Europe," indicates that you've already answered your own question.

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>>20620564
>>20620785
>>20621404
Read Joshua

>>20621533
This is literally a Christian critique of paganism. It's unbelievable how non-Christians take things Christians create, baptise them in their own ignorance, and then taunt Christians with their own ignorance of origins. Music, science, technology, human rights, republican democracies, freedom as a value, universities, and hospitals are all from Christians. Did you know China invented clocks first but didn't see a use for them?

>>20621661
>Music, science, technology, human rights, republican democracies, freedom as a value, universities, and hospitals are all from Christians.
KEK Christians taking the Greek invention and baptising them in their own ignorance while mocking pagans. The jokes just write themselves.

Europe hasn’t been Christian since the 17th century. It’s debatable whether it was Christian before that.

>>20621684
Please list the most notable Greek chemists, physicists, and composers from before Christ.

>>20621688
>real christianism has never been tried

>>20621688
I actuallu think this reply is closer to the truth than you'd like. Christianity ebbs and flows and it's not a static state. We're in a rebirth period but prior they had decays too (gin era London)

>>20621693
In the West? Western Christianity was formed out of Carolingians inventing a theology and fabricating documents to justify it. The enlightenment and revolutions subtracted God entirely.

>>20621691
>>20621684
Great example of the Christ washing that happens is this website:
https://www.mymusictheory.com/reference/345-the-evolution-of-music-notation
Music notation was idealized from Augustine, a Roman Catholic Bishop, who inspired Boethius, another Christian, and then was maintained by monks.

>>20621691
>>20621730
Stop being dishonest.