/lit/ - Literature

>>20604988
Islam and pagan below Judaism.
Nice try.

>>20604988
Start with the kybalion and you'll forget about most of that putrid shit in the picture you posted.

Roman Catholicism is indefensible. I don’t see how that’s not perfectly clear at this point. It is not even strongly convicted on the 3 issues which caused the Great Schism in the first place anymore and it has deferred to broad ecumenism. The only thing unique about it is that it now tries to convince you every religion but it’s own is true.

>>20605347
>Roman Catholicism is indefensible. I don’t see how that’s not perfectly clear at this point.
How so?

>>20605362
It is and your ongoing attempts to take god's name in vain show that you're a disgusting heathen.

>>20605371
Then demonstrate it.

>>20605347
rent free
>Ecumenism bad
Yawn

>>20605394
he's rent free in your head too retard

>>20605362
I just gave 2 examples.

>>20605394
When it undermines your theology and suggests that it’s all relative, that it doesn’t matter then yes, it’s bad.

>>20604988
Here I'll spoonfed you this once, newfag, but next time check the wiki
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/e/e4/World_religions_chart.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181211180752

>>20605406
>I just gave 2 examples.
But you haven't demonstrated them. How are they not committed to the Great Schism issues? How did they defer to broad ecumenism? That's not what Vatican II said.

>>20605415
Great stuff

HINDUISM
Upanishads
Brahma Sutras
Bhagavad Gita
Yoga Sutras

BUDDHISM
Lalitavistara
Visudhimagga
Kyogyoshinsho
Pure Land Sutras

TAOISM
Daodejing
Zhuangzi
Leizi
Wenzi

CONFUCIANISM
Ta Hsueh
Chung Yung
Analects
Mencius

ISLAM
Koran
Sirat Rasul Allah
Al-Arba'in Fi Usul ad-Din
Fuss Al-Hikam

SHINTO
Kojiki

JAINISM
Tattvartha Sutra

>>20604988
Check out the Bible.

>>20605423
The 3 primary items which caused the great schism were priest marriage, the use of unleavened bread in the Eucharist, and the filioque clause. The Catholic Church now allows priests to marry, the use of unleavened bread, and they admitted that the filioque was not in the Nicene creed and the decretals, which would really be the only justification for adding the filioque, were forgeries. You add onto this where the Catholic Church stands today which is basically a position of ecumenism where the pope can go and pray in mosques and apologize for total religious relativism justifying just about every religion except your own and to me that seems totally indefensible.

>>20605447
Obviously Holy Bible too but incredibly useful list

>>20605616
and the thing for me personally is there are this whole range of theological, political, and historical issues that get come up when it comes to Roman Catholicism, and the thing is, no one seems to have a concrete answer. You just get all sorts of copes in sometimes truly bizarre ways, or else you get Catholics who admit things a like the forgeries, that the filioque needs to be removed, that the pope is illegitimate, and so on. Then you go and talk to actual clergy, devout Catholics, priests, and they have basically no clue what they’re talking about. They can’t even answer basic theological questions, like simple Reddit-tier protests can’t be addressed or they’re addressed in bad ways, and besides, it’s cringe. These people come off as like cringe and not serious. The moment I started investigated orthodoxy I got answers, and sound ones, from serious people who actually cared about these issues. I’ve not yet converted to Orthodoxy because I guess I’m not completely convinced but I’m really struggling to see how Catholicism is even viable anymore let alone defensible, unless you’re just looking for some feel good sort of semi-cultural moral and ethical thing in nice looking buildings but I’m afraid that’s not enough.

>>20605447
>doesn't bother listing translations indicating a lack of scholarliness when dealing with ancient scriptures
ngmi

>>20605755
>translations

>>20605415
>>20605447
>>20604988
>nothing on Mesoamerican religion

If I remember and have time I can try to compile some suggestions later or tommorow

Here is what I would recommend:

>Analects with Commentaries (trans. E. Slingerland)
>Bible, incl. Apocrypha (New Oxford Annotated)
>Bhagavad Gita (Penguin Classics)
>Dhammapada (Oxford World Classics)
>Early Upaniṣads (trans. P. Olivelle)
>Hymns of the Sikh Gurus (Penguin Classics)
>In the Buddha's Words (ed. B. Bodhi)
>Kojiki (trans. D.L. Philippi)
>Lotus Sutra (trans. G. Reeves)
>Mencius (trans. I. Bloom)
>Qur'an (Abdel-Haleem & Study Quran)
>Rigveda (trans. Brereton & Jamison)
>Shi'ite Anthology (ed. W.C. Chittick) [Shi'ite hadith]
>Tao Te Ching (trans. Addis & Lombardo)
>Tattvartha Sutra (trans. N. Tatia) [Jain]
>Talmud: A Selection (Penguin Classics)
>Wisdom of the Prophet (ed. T. Cleary) [Sunni hadith]
>Xunzi (trans. E.L. Hutton)
>Zhuangzi with Commentaries (trans. B. Ziporyn)

This should give you a pretty comprehensive tour of the major sacred texts and makes for a very useful reference library. It may be just a bit parochial since some important stuff is left out, but I tried to keep the list short enough.

Anyone else find the Upanishads to be underwhelming and repetitive?
It seemed like every one was the same "man goes on a journey, discovers that everyone is himself and he is everyone and bla bla bla, becomes enlightened" story over and over.

>>20605347
>>20605406
>>20605616
>>20605661
>When it undermines your theology and suggests that it’s all relative, that it doesn’t matter then yes, it’s bad.
Never has the Catholic Church "undermined her own theology" or suggested that "all is relative". You have either been listening to SSPX retards or, more likely, Orthodox polemicists.
If you actually read Vatican II, you'll see that it does not shy away from claiming that the Catholic Church is the one true Church and holds the one true religion. The "ecumenist" passages merely state that other world religions hold a ray of truth in them as well, which is entirely true. Pic related for example. St. Paul does this as well when he claims that the pagans sacrificing to the "unknown God" were intuiting the true God.

>priest marriage
Priests in the Byzantine rite and in the Anglican Ordinariate can be married, but not in the Latin rite. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, and I as a Latin rite Catholic would not mind if priestly celibacy were abolished entirely. This is a disciplinary matter, not a matter of dogma.

>unleavened bread
We still use exclusively unleavened bread in the Latin rite, so what do you mean? Do the Byzantine rite Catholics not use unleavened bread? Again, this is a minor disciplinary matter, so who cares? Focus on the important things.

>filioque
The filioque was added into the Creed by Spanish bishops to combat Arianism. I don't think we ever pretended that it was in the original Nicene creed. By the way, at your Divine Liturgy you recite many things that were not in the original Nicene Creed of 325, because you presumably recite the later Niceno-Constantinople Creed which was updated in 381, and added much more than a "-que" on the end of a word.

All of your complaints are idiotic and nitpicky. You are a pharisee. You neglect the important things for little details and take a hardline stance on everything.

>>20605335
Neopaganism is worse than Judaism, yes. Islam is just as bad, idk why post-2018 “dissidents” have started jerking it off just because Jews dislike it.

>>20605927
So you think having proper Christology and Trinity doctrine is “nitpicky”? Is that right?

>>20605927
Also, the point was that those 3 items caused the schism, but the Catholic Church doesn’t even still hold those positions so for what reason are they still in schism? The answer is the office of the papacy, all of the innovations that gave rise to the papacy, and all of the innovations caused by the papacy, which have completely hollowed out Catholic dogma and rendered it relative. If France says it’s okay to be a Muslim, you as a Catholic have no choice but to accept that it’s okay to be a Muslim. So why he Catholic at all? There is no reason.

>>20604988
Funny when you say in need of crusades when Christians has already lost to Muslims

>>20604988
i'd recomend you to just get into buddhism and not waste your time with anything else;
start with "Buddhism as Philosophy: An Introduction" by Mark Siderits

besides that, you could read:

I Ching
Dao De Jing
Zhuang Zi
Upanishads
Surangama Sutra
Lankavatara Sutra
Shobogenzo

>>20605335
Islam is an updated version of Judaism. Instead of denying Christ, they affirm Him, but then act just like Jews, in tandem with jews and worse

There is NO reason to read about religions other than your own.

Dilettante thread
You will NEVER have esoteric knowledge

>>20605362
According to Vatican 1, the pope is an apostate doing the work of the devil, according to Vatican 2 he is working with the Holy Spirit. In reference to Ecumenism.

Conclusion Popery is fallible and the Catholic Church is in Schism.

>>20605823
Wasn't there an anon trying to make a chart for Mesoamerica?

>>20605823
Mexoamerican religions are deliberately swept under the rug because every, and I mean EVERY Catholic on this board is a latinx, and the Mesoamerican religions are a deep source of shame for them. To cope, they project their own pre-christian savagery onto Europeans and go on long autistic screeds about how Christianity unified and civilized the "snowniggers".

>>20606204
Yes it's nitpicky because it's a minor theological point and the filioque itself has been accepted by many Popes who are Saints in both of our churches. There's nothing about it that is inherently irreconcilable with the Orthodox view on this anyway. You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>20606221
Some people in the past were throwing around these objections, but the main point of division has always been the papacy. That is the only doctrine that I think Orthodox are wrong on. The Papacy was instituted by Christ, it is there in the Gospels and throughout Church history. Orthodox themselves admit that the Bishop of Rome was "given a position of honour" in the Early Church, but in fact if you read some of the Saints who wrote about it (e.g. Maximus the Confessor) they affirm papal infallibility in no uncertain terms.
No, the Pope could not force everyone to become a Muslim. That's why papal infallibility exists: to ensure nothing like that will ever happen.

>>20606507
Yes, me.

Here's the current WIP, haven't really had much time to work on it.

>>20605335
Go back to /pol/.

>>20606687
>in fact if you read some of the Saints who wrote about it (e.g. Maximus the Confessor) they affirm papal infallibility in no uncertain terms.
Source?

>>20605335
Cry harder fag

>>20604988
I would bump solipsism up a tier because it's funny and I always think about that one greentext where someone handed out pamphlets for solipsism to kids one Halloween.

And about that Heresy teir... I know that image was made before a certain board. I know that because I've saved that image before that board was created. Still, it deserves it's own tier at the very bottom.

Where is Oahspe? Where is the Urantia Book?

>>20605335
Jews at least have some of the right Scripture. Islam is a fanfic of Christianity and Jewish traditions founded by a pedo who worshiped a black stone, while paganism is worshiping created things and failing to acknowledge the Creator. Jews are better any day of the week. Not to say they are hell-bound without Christ

>>20605335 #
Jews at least have some of the right Scripture. Islam is a fanfic of Christianity and Jewish traditions founded by a pedo who worshiped a black stone, while paganism is worshiping created things and failing to acknowledge the Creator. Jews are better any day of the week.

>>20606479
> Instead of denying Christ, they affirm Him
That’s part of the trick, actually. The ‘Christ’ of Islam isn’t even called the same name that Arab Christians call him by, which is Yasūʿ, while Muslims call him ʿĪsā. The fake Jesus of Islam doesn’t preach anything the Jesus of the Gospels did, he’s just some dude, he’s not the Davidic messiah (the use and meaning of ‘messiah’ in the Qur’an is not understood by Islamic commentators), and didn’t get crucified, didn’t die, didn’t inaugerate a New Covenant. He’s a Satanic inversion of Jesus

>>20604988
What is the relationship the Creativity Movement has with Witchcraft?
If have read parts of the White man's bible and Nature eternal religion and it tries to be scientific about the defense of the white race and its expansion.
It even has a book "Salubrious Living" that gives you knowledge about how you could have a better health.
It has a web page where you can find anything about the movement. It even has a little document with instructions for the celebration of holidays at the end of the year to commemorate the white race achievements.

>>20609515
That's my point.
>"I love God, he's my buddy, he wants me to obey Satan"

Fuck off kike

>>20605394
ecummenism is not bad, but r*man one should perish

>>20604988
>Roman Catholics pretending Orthodox are their bros
Ayy lmao.

>>20606710
Post nose

>>20604988
>ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL BRO TIER
>they see you as apostatic heretics

>>20609375

>>20604988
Why is Islam in need of a crusade? We are all sons of Adam.

>>20606548
Are these Latinx in the room with us?

>>20613649
Presumably because they reject Christ and instead worship a pedophile

>>20613643

What about Swedenborgianism? The Moravian Church? The Waldensians? Bahais? Ahmadis? This chart is missing too many sects.

>>20604988
In addition to the books already mentioned
>Phaedo
>The Apology of Socrates
>The Republic of Plato
>Metaphysics of Aristotle
>The Nicomachean Ethics
>The Enchiridion of Epictetus
>Meditations of Marcus Aurelius
>Moral Letters to Lucilius by Seneca
>Sallust on the Gods and the World
>First Alcibiades
>Gorgias
>Phaedo
>Cratylus
>Theaetetus
>Sophist
>Statesman
>Phaedrus
>Symposium
>Philebus
>Timaeus
>Parmenides

>>20613801
>Theogony
>Works and Days
>The Iliad and The Odyssey
>The Aeneid
>The Metamorphoses
>The Homeric Hymns
>The Orphic Hymns
>Aeschylus' Oresteia
>Sophocles' Oedipus

>>20613804
>Enki and the World Order
>Inana and Enki
>Inana's Descent
>Gilgamesh, Enkidu and the underworld
>Enmerkar and the lord of Aratta
>A man and his god
>The instructions of Shuruppag
>Advice to a Prince
>Enuma Elish

>>20613810
>The Pyramid Texts
>Book of Coming Forth by Day/Book of Emerging Forth into the Light (The Book of the Dead)
>The Book of Nut
>The Book of the Faiyum
>The Debate Between a Man and his Soul/The Dispute between a man and his Ba
>The Immortality of Writers
>Instruction of Amenemope
>The Instruction of Any
>The Oracle of the Potte
>The Prophecy of Neferti
>Manetho's Aegyptiaca

>>20613812
>Corpus Hermeticum
>Asclepius
>Kore Kosmou
>Hermetic fragments
>Fragments of Chaldean History - Berossus
>Chaldean Oracles
>Iamblichus' Theurgia
>The Septuagint/LXX
>Sybilline Oracles
>Greek Magical Papyri

>>20606687
Defend the Filioque RIGHT NOW.

>>20604988
Roman Catholicism is more interesting from a mythos perspective, since they have a "government", act like a conquering state, and beliefs are very regimented (Dantes Inferno) in fiction. Also all the people they conquered have fucked up beliefs (Santa Muerte, Voodoo etc.). Its better for Fantasy/Scifi writing.

Orthodoxy is a more original look at Christianity, they retained the original Greek of the Bible as written, and had more literature/works by priests on the actual philosophy of Christianity. The only non-canon addition is some few Slavic superstitions. Theyre also more decentralized, almost anarchic, in that every nation has their own "Pope". This makes CHANGE to the scripture or traditions more difficult, since 1 Borgia cant just say "make gay ok".

Protestantism is absolute shit tier, KJV is literally a VERSION of the Bible written because some King wanted to bang more than one chick. They throw out books of the bible, its complete non cannonical nonsense.

Modern "Judaism" (read: Molochism) was started by medieval trading clans 200 years after Christianity, hinges on stealing the Christian Old Testament for legitimacy and writing over it with the Talmud, which is basically a demonic script designed to break souls. Thats why their boys have to memorize it by a certain age. All ancient Jews converted when their messiah came, the only ones who didnt were caananite converts who never believed in judaism anyway and practiced molochism in secret. Those remnants are the root of modern "Jews".

Islam is similar, except it came along 400 years after the Bible, and the additions are basically a conquesr manual by a bandit who robbed caravans for a living. He heard about christianity having one God, so he took over a town and said some shit about how theres one god and he told mohammed that he should be in charge. Town threw him out and he got butthurt, raised a gang of cutthroats, and went back in to slaughter everyone. Thats basically Koran, its a conquest manual and a list of excuses for doing horrific shit like raping kids - similar to Talmud. It only ever grew because Monophysite Christians all converted to it.

Bahai is an attempt to return to Monophysite Christianity without actually referencing it, which is impossible.

I dont have time to go through the rest of that except to say some of those arent even religions or mutually exclusive from Christianity.

>>20605927
please tell us one group of people in history who were converted to christianity because they were threatened with eternal damnation

What about Allan Kardec's Spiritism?

>>20606687
How is it nitpicky? How can the Holy Spirit have two sources? Explain how he comes from the Father and the Son and how do you know that?

>>20614198
>Modern "Judaism" (read: Molochism) was started by medieval trading clans 200 years after Christianity,
Source

>>20606488
so I should stick to Calvinism then? doesn't seem very esoteric.

>>20609368
Gnostic solipsism is the superior solipsism

>>20613643
much better

>>20615588
Why are there so many Calvinists on /lit/? Is it an American Presbyterian church?

>>20615618
same anon, probably. must be a lot of Scots on this board, my background is Celtic and my family settled in the Ozark foothills. so yeah, I'm a hick. who reads. my current beliefs are weird though, a lot of Lutheran-esque Soteriology and Eschatology mixed with Supersessionism and a somewhat Hinduistic/Leibnizian conception of the universe. its out there, definitely. I want to become a well respect autodidact philosopher, though I just turned 40 in June.

>>20615628
So do people in your church believe in TULIP / predestination of the elect? I never understood the focus on exclusivity from calvinists. By Lutheran soteriology do you mean you reject TULIP? Or what do you mean other "faith alone, scripture alone"?

>>20609493
Imagine literally worshipping a man, believing in a god that is actually three, and then claiming Islam is pagan simply because Muslims touch a black stone during their pilgrimage. Your religion is clearly pagan idolatry by both Jewish and Islamic metrics, whereas both Muslims and Jews recognize each other as worshipping the same God. Any of thw old biblical prophets would agree with Islamic theology, and they would have you stoned for idol worship.

>>20613849
>>20615582
1. The Filioque is not irreconcilable with the Orthodox view. Creeds aren’t meant to be meticulous theological tracts, but rather general outlines of the faith. So a word like “procedere” (to proceed) in the creed doesn’t have to be read in the technical theological sense that later theologians developed. Many Catholics I know who are sympathetic to your view believe the Holy Ghost proceeds from the father THROUGH the son, which is a view with a ton of scriptural support (e.g. Christ breathes on the apostles and gives them the Holy Ghost, Christ says: “ But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.”). This is a legitimate reading of the Filioque, which is not in tension with your view.

2. However, a stronger case can even be made which is in tension with your view. In Scripture the Holy Ghost is often referred to as “the Spirit of Christ”, and in the Book of the Apocalypse it says: “ And he shewed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.” Moreover, if one has an Augustinian view of the Trinity as being analogous to self-love or self-knowledge, where the Father introspects about himself, and generates a self-image, which is the Son, and then the two behold each other’s majesty and breath out a sigh of love, which is the Holy Ghost, then the Filioque also makes sense. Admittedly this conception of the Trinity doesn’t have to imply dual procession, but it’s compatible with it at least.

3. Finally, this issue is nothing to fight over. Yes, you can have theological debates about it, but it’s not significant enough to cause a schism. We do not know the most minute technicalities about God; and it would be arrogance to assert that we do. The Trinity is a great mystery. We have hints in Revelation but only if we attain the Beatific Vision will we truly understand. Besides, many Western saints in the Orthodox Church such as St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, St. Pope Leo I, and even St. Pope Gregory the Great affirmed the Filioque. If it were such a horrible, damnable heresy, you wouldn’t have so many saints believing in it. So yes, this is a pointless nitpick, an attempt to cause division over tiny theological minutiae, which no human can ever have certainty of in this life.

> Neither can we say that the Holy Spirit does not also proceed from the Son, for the same Spirit is not without reason said to be the Spirit both of the Father and of the Son. (St. Augustine)

>>20615666
So it sounds like not even you know or even care about what it means. Your entire argument is dishonest. Because something is not large enough to cause a schism by itself then it must be nitpicky. It's not, it shows your Church is mostly concerned with hijacking theology to score political victories. It's an integral part of your beliefs that you justify by the same principles you justify your pope. Catholicism is a political institution where truth and tradition come second to practical affairs. That's why the schism happened, and it was just a matter of time at any rate.

>>20615636
unlike Lutherans I don't believe in faith alone, and unlike Calvinists I believe in free will HOWEVER I believe in conditional immortality and soul sleep. basically I think people have the free will to seek out God but if they don't they will end up in hell. I don't believe in the concept that all souls will enter heaven at the end of days, if that's what you're asking.

>>20615639
I can't imagine being an atheist. used to be one, I wouldn't go back.

>>20615678
I just gave you arguments from Scripture and Church Fathers which support the Filioque. I even offered a valid interpretation of the Filioque which is not in tension with the Orthodox view, and which many Catholics hold to. And all you can say is "the Catholic Church is a political organisation!"

You clearly don't give a shit about this issue. You're just using it as a weapon to whack Catholics over the head with because for some reason you hate the Church.

As for the Church being political: yeah, Christ is the King over all the Earth, so the Church must be a political as well as spiritual entity. It is impossible for the Church not to be political without giving up her values entirely. For example, the Church teaching against abortion would be totally meaningless if Catholics did not work to enact political change and end abortion.

By the way, you're speaking as an Orthodox. Your Church was run by the Byzantine emperors. Even today, the Russian Orthodox Church is in bed with Putin, and the Greek Orthodox are in bed with the CIA. You think the Orthodox Church is a-political? Give me a break.

>>20615695
>I think people have the free will to seek out God but if they don't they will end up in hell. I don't believe in the concept that all souls will enter heaven at the end of days,
Isn't that just the mainstream Christian belief?

>>20615698
>I just gave you arguments from Scripture and Church Fathers which support the Filioque.
Arguments for what? I asked you how it works and you said there can be many interpretations and that it's not meant to be theologically rigorous. So what if Augustine said something? Do you think we believe saints are perfect? Also
>Scriptural support
You behave just like Protestants. John 15:26
>When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes forth from the Father, He will bear witness concerning Me.
Sounds like the Son forgot to mention that it actually proceeds from Himself too.
> I even offered a valid interpretation of the Filioque which is not in tension with the Orthodox view, and which many Catholics hold to.
Good for you, I can probably offer "valid interpretations" of many wrong things. Doesn't mean the it justifies adding confusion among believers.
>And all you can say is "the Catholic Church is a political organisation!"
Yes, because that's the crux of it, which I already explained.
>You think the Orthodox Church is a-political? Give me a break.
You just refuse to understand the issue. Of course the Church takes part in civil life, but that doesn't mean we irrevocably change our liturgy despite it being theologically unsound and against the canon of an ecumenical council

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.x.xvi.x.html
>When these things had been read, the holy Synod decreed that it is unlawful for any man to bring forward, or to write, or to compose a different (ἑτέραν) Faith as a rival to that established by the holy Fathers assembled with the Holy Ghost in Nicæa.
>But those who shall dare to compose a different faith, or to introduce or offer it to persons desiring to turn to the acknowledgment of the truth, whether from Heathenism or from Judaism, or from any heresy whatsoever, shall be deposed, if they be bishops or clergymen; bishops from the episcopate and clergymen from the clergy; and if they be laymen, they shall be anathematized.

You just don't care about any of this.

>>20615835
>Arguments for what?
Arguments for dual procession. This was point number 2. Did you read my post?

>you said there can be many interpretations
I said that in point number one. If you disagreed with my points in number 2 and still rejected dual procession, point number 1 was meant to show that you can validly interpret the filioque in line with singular procession, which many Catholics do.

>Sounds like the Son forgot to mention that it actually proceeds from Himself too.
Point number 1 argues for an alternative interpretation of the Filioque as from the Father through the Son, which is in line with what you believe. For it is possible to say the car proceeds from Street 2 to Street 3, even if the car started at Street 1 and got to Street 3 through Street 2. So, the Holy Ghost, if it proceeds from the Father and comes to us through the Son, can be said to "proceed from the Son to us" in a theologically non-technical way. This is the alternative interpretation, to which many Catholics hold.

>irrevocably change our liturgy
At your Divine Liturgy you do not recite the original Nicene Creed of 325, you recite the updated version of 381. There's nothing wrong with organic changes in the liturgy. In this case, the -que was added to combat Arianism in Spain.

>Do you think we believe saints are perfect?
No but I gave you a list of Saints which all believed in dual procession, so if it's such a horrible heresy why are they Saints? There are no Arian saints. It's because you're making a small issue into something huge.

Anyway I've said all I have to say on this topic. If you want to hate Catholics go ahead; I personally have nothing but love and respect for Orthodox.

>>20615760
from what I've heard its closer to Semipelagianism

>>20604988
Just avoid Caths

>>20615885
As in you think we come to seek God without His initiative or God's grace so we deserve all the merit for finding God on our own?

>>20609493
I hate all of three of the Abrahamic traditions, but when I read retarded posts like yours, I can't help but want to defend Islam a little bit. God, you're a fucking idiot. There are ways to criticize traditions that don't make you sound like stuck-up faggot.

>>20609493
I hate all of three of the Abrahamic traditions, but when I read retarded posts like yours, I can't help but want to defend Islam a little bit. God, you're a fucking idiot. There are ways to criticize traditions that don't make you sound like a pseud stuck-up faggot.

>>20613674
No, but the Jews are.

>>20616037
The latter, God does not work within people who are unable to realize his omnipotence

>>20616908
I see, yeah, that's unorthodox and rejected by all major denominations as far as I know. Why is it important to you that God does not help everyone, including non-believers?

>>20615940
It’s worse than that. The filioque comes out of a Frankish usurpation of Constantinople. They fabricated the documents that legitimized the Wests right to Roman Christendom over the East, which eventually led to the filioque and a power struggle between the emperor and the people. The rise of the papacy, the legitimization of Frankish rule, and the wars between papal and imperial authority are probably even more significant events from the perspective of the West than moving the capital to the East and the schism. Western Christianity developed out of a desire for power, not proper theology.

>>20614198
>doesn't talk about metaphysics or theology at all
>conflates a biased accounts of peoples' conduct/behavior with their actual metaphysical views

Christcucks are mentally ill and can't see truth/metaphysics apart from anthropology. That's because they ultimately reduce the sacred dimension to one irrelevant dirty Jew from the Levant.

>>20617144
Source?