/lit/ - Literature

>>20597347
Robert Bly

Hemingway doesn't even write about it besides the old man and the sea

>>20597347
John Fante

>>20597365
The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber?

>>20597378
I've only read his novels - what matters desu

>>20597365
False.

>>20597347
ernest hemingway was such a fucking loser communist faggot
ernest hemingway was to writing what TOOL is to music. pretention
picrel an actually good writer

>>20597825
*pretension

>>20597347
Charles Nordhoff

>>20597347
Hemingway's whole manly act is so fake. It's so obvious that it's fake. I can't believe people take it seriously. Roy Campbell did a similar thing, but at least he fought for the Nationalists in the Spanish Civil War - that makes him kind of queer and interesting. Hemingway is just so generic, as a human being. Even his books (Sun Also Rises) admit that his masculinity is a fraud. So why do people still buy into it?

>>20597825
Now Rudyard, he was also fake masculine, and probably a repressed pederast a well, but no one pretends he was some kind of swashbuckler, and his yearning for the maleness that came so easily to his peers (particularly to his friend Dunsterville whom he probably was in love with) actually seems vaguely heroic. Kipling and Rhodes and Mishima are versions more or less of the same human type, the asthmatic sensitive boy who transitions from weakness to strength, not with ease, not automatically, but out of sheer willpower and probably latent erotic fascination with it.

>>20597347
Robert Bly's Iron John: A Book About Men

>>20597359
incredibly based.

nyxland

>>20597365
>Implying we read Hemingway.

>>20597347
Look, you need to understand that there is such a strong inverse relationship between interest in the concept of manliness and inherent neurological and endocrine maleness that anything about being “manly” or “masculine” is necessarily written from a female perspective.

>>20599296
>Even his books (Sun Also Rises) admit that his masculinity is a fraud
That's honestly the most interesting part about him and his persona.
He always laid it bare in his books, but for some reason, people, even almost a century later, still hold on to that hypermasculine image of him.
The women in his books are also very boy-ish, so keep that in mind.

>>20597347
Weininger.

>>20599880
once again, hemingway fans are the TOOL fans of the writing world.
>he said his masculinity is a fraud
>but bro u dont understand that actually makes him cool cause he denies what people say about him hes so misunderstood which actually makes him heckin masculine

>>20600246
don't bully anon!

>>20600251
sorry, ur right anon. im better than this. even a hemingway fan deserves better

>>20597347
Cormac McCarthy

>>20597347
Nietzsche

>>20600422
>>20600426
tranies, latent homos

marquis de sade, truly timeless alpha male guides by this guy

>>20600433
Then all writers are.

>>20597359
>>20599360
>Hammering Hot Iron is a rare work that raises important questions, draws vital distinctions, and elevates discourse within the spiritual community on the Men’s Movement, Jungian psychology, archetypal and mythological studies, and polytheistic religions. Drawing on the perennial philosophy, the universal expression of absolute truth, Upton offers a metaphysical and cultural critique of Robert Bly's Iron John. Upton adopts Bly’s shadow in the Jungian sense. His intellectual argument is masterfully intertwined with his own personal and spiritual journey, often expressed through original poetry. “The book is excellent. Upton's insights have exposed the shallow philosophical thinking associated with the Men’s Movement, the inadequacy of polytheism as a religious faith, and the bias against Christianity. Hammering Hot Iron does a splendid job of critiquing Jungian writers and in showing there is more to God than the archetype of God in the psyche. Thank you for your excellent work in setting the record straight!” — John A. Sanford, Jungian analyst “Charles Upton provides a long-overdue masterful critique of the Men’s Movement, its popularizing heroes, and the archetypal psychology on which it is based. In this marvelously iconoclastic book, Upton articulates the feelings and thoughts of those who have left the movement or are wondering why they are still part of it. He does so with eloquence, wit, and not least, wisdom. —Georg Feuerstein, Ph.D., author of Voices on the Threshold of Tomorrow and Structures of Consciousness

cormac mcarthy
his heroes are manly
but a lot of them die in horrible ways