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20595036 No.20595036 [Reply] [Original]

>Goethe said that he who wants to complete something of worth and of skill, "der sammle still und unerschlafft, im kleinsten Punkt die grosste Kraft", i.e. that "quietly and unceasingly he directs the greatest force upon the smallest point"
So I looked up the poem and as it turns out it isn't by Goethe but by Schiller. Does this guy actually know what the fuck he's talking about?

>> No.20595093
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>>20595036
somebody make a bong out of it lol

>> No.20595407

>>20595036
If he makes his point, maybe. Mis-attributions occur frequently in all walks. What bothered me most about pic rel was the gentle, too familiar tone; I too can be cheap

>> No.20595694

That book makes thousands of citations; including many to super esoteric texts. I'll give the author a little room to misattribute.

>> No.20595765

This kind of mistake usually proves the author is citing from memory, having formed his worldview organically, and doesn't consult references like a cuck.

>> No.20596309

>>20595036
russian authors made a custom out of misquoting from memory and also mangling the quote; perhaps the french have a similar habit

>> No.20596319

>>20596309
well, the author is russian emigre in france

>> No.20596465

>>20595036
Is that book any good?

>> No.20596815

>>20596319
Kek

>> No.20596924

>>20595765
/thread

>> No.20596942

>>20595036
The first chapter on magician is the only good part of this book and the rest is bullshit

>> No.20597192

>>20596942
does it actually help with reading the Tarot if I go on to check out the rest?

>> No.20597199

>>20597192
>does it actually help with reading the Tarot
No, the book has nothing to do with tarot, if only superficially.

>> No.20597231

>>20595036
all this aside, what are the best books about tarot?

>> No.20597362

>>20597199
ok can you reply to this question then?
>>20597231

>> No.20597374

>>20595036
How many levels of university-induced brain-rot must one be on to think that a misattributed quote invalidates an argument?

>> No.20597376

>>20595093
Is that her sugar daddy?

>> No.20597537

>>20595765
holy based

>> No.20597571

>>20595765
Thomberg-san... I kneel...

>> No.20597603

>>20597374
It suggests sloppiness and inattention to detail. It makes you wonder where else the author made mistakes that you haven't caught.

>> No.20597621

>>20595765
Based

>> No.20597629

>>20597603
Literally name one book that is correct absolutely in ever point of minutia. That is an impossible, inhuman expectation. The question is not who will hit the ring, but who will make the best run at it. Stop looking for an infallible guru.

>> No.20597655

>>20597603
The most important ideas of a book, you should be verifying yourself anyway, rather than taking the author's word on it. So this complaint seems ridiculous.

>> No.20597666

>>20595036
prolly read it in a work with both of the dudes
they made stuff together and later compilations have had both together as well

>> No.20597671

>>20595036
>Christian Hermeticism

LOL...What?

>> No.20597702

>>20597671
?

Hermeticism barely makes sense outside the context of Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, since the communities (probably Alexandrian) that created the Hermetic corpus are lost to history and subsequent Mediterranean civilisations invariably followed one of these three faiths. Islam engaged profoundly with magical, alchemical, and astrological thought, as well as the Hermetic corpus, Judaism engaged with it too though a little less, and Christianity had a massive revival of interest in the Hermetic corpus when it was translated and taken up by the Platonic Academy of Medici Florence. Most modern knowledge of hermeticism comes from this Renaissance interest in it, especially as represented and disseminated in the texts of the Christian hermetic Platonists Ficino and Pico. All modern scholarship on the Hermetic corpus relies on this Renaissance interest in it, since they meticulously edited, preserved, and published the texts in their modern critical forms. All subsequent Hermeticism, Christian or otherwise, obviously relies on the ground-breaking work of this Christian Renaissance Platonist tradition.

It's not that far-fetched for there to be Christian Hermeticists if modern Hermeticism started as a Christian esoteric movement. Antoine Faivre, probably the major 20th century scholar on the subject, distinguishes between original "Hermetism" and Renaissance Hermeticism to make it easier to disentangle them, implicitly confirming they can be difficult to disentangle.

>> No.20597706

>>20595765
I’m going to start misquoting on purpose now

>> No.20597714

>>20597702
>>>Hermeticism barely makes sense outside the context of Christianity, Islam, or Judaism, since the communities (probably Alexandrian) that created the Hermetic corpus are lost to history and...

It's a non-abrahamic philosophy you fucking retard.

>> No.20597724

>>20597714
Actually it was heavily influenced by the Alexandrian Jewish, Gnostic, and probably Christian communities. Religion around the eastern basin of the Mediterranean was extremely fluid at that time.

You should consider learning something about Hermeticism some time, maybe reading a book about it, since it's apparently important to your identity. Back in the day we usually did things in the reverse order, learn about something first and then identify with it later, but I know times have changed.

>> No.20597739

>>20597714
>abrahamic
Imagine throwing around that word like it means anything

>> No.20597937

>>20595036
Goethe was a Punkt bitch.

>> No.20597965

>>20597739
Judaism Christianity and Islam are "Abrahamic" belief systems you fucking idiot.

The last two might despise Semites but their belief systems are BUILT on Semitic ideas.

Retard.

>> No.20598219

>>20597231
From my research tarot for about a month, the tarot de Marseille is the most "legit" tarot tradition there is. Two books I've heard are pretty good are Jodorowsky 's book on the Marseille, and Jean-Michel David's book Reading the Marseille Tarot. The three best Marseille decks to use are Jean Noblet, Jean Dodal, and Kris Hadar. Noblet and Dodal are the oldest known decks to have existed in that tradition, and Hadar's though modern, preserved the original symbolism that was lost when David Conver created his deck, which set the standard for Marseille decks going forward. I would stay away from Golden Dawn, Rider-Waite, and Thoth, since they change the order and names of some of the Trumps to make them fit their magical systems.

>> No.20598657

>>20597714
t. never read the corpus

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>>20597937
You are a black whore

>> No.20600525

>>20597965
See >>20597739

>> No.20600683

>>20596465
Bump question.

>> No.20600689

>>20597231
The Tarot: History, Symbolism, and Divination by Robert M. Place was a worthwhile read on its historical origin and evolution.