/lit/ - Literature

Capitalism won't stop until all humans are dead

There is no such thing as anarchy, there is no "off the grid" you can escape to

There is only hope beyond the zero, after the flood, after annihilation etc

You're a rat in a maze.

That you should take heavy drugs and become a tranny

>>20576601
Cringe.

>>20576610
Reddit

Big dicks rule the world. Or at least the military industrial complex.

>>20576555
to pens

>>20576601
go to your containment thread narodnik

>like, 7 different simultaneous pynch threads out of nowhere
He's announcing a new book soon, isn't he?

>>20576633
If you can't be bothered to read the book a thread is about >>>r/reddit is calling you back

>>20576555
just be urself

>>20576555
real art doesn't have a "message"

>>20576726
GR works best at the sentences

>>20576555
Plastic bad

>>20576601
>Capitalism won't stop until all humans are dead
This is honestly correct.

>>20576601
It's hard to read the book but come to any conclusion other than this.

>>20577099
No it isn't kek. At what point is capitalism ever critiqued either directly or indirectly? I'll wait for the quotes. Retard + filtered.

>>20577370
That was hard

>>20576601
I’ve seen a lot of wrong takes about this book but this is by far the worst. Did you read the book or just skim wikipedia?

Honestly, reddit/r/books might be more up your alley

life sucks and then you die

>rocket goes vroom

>>20577420
lol so your brain has just totally rotted out
internet commutards kind of rule, selfpwning idiots every single fucking time

Genuine malevolence exists, and you (might) relate to it. Enzian and Blicero spent most of the story building rockets to perpetuate a war that had already ended. And all of this happened within the scope of an American hegemony that had already taken root from which no one could escape. That's what I got from it, anyway.

>>20576555
Poop

You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Pynchon holds some sympathy for anarchists and violence as a necessary tool for solutions (he even has written some essays about this), but even then it's a lost cause.

Just be yourself :^)

>>20577929
though thinking about this further, I'd caveat this by saying GR does not really fully imply that all rebellion is unnecessary. it's hard to really summarize a book like GR under one big point anyway.

>"The basic problem," he proposes, "has always been getting other people to die for you. What's worth enough for a man to give up his life? That's where religion had the edge, for centuries. Religion was always about death. It was used not as an opiate so much as a technique-- it got people to die for one particular set of beliefs about death. Perverse, naturlich, but who are you to judge? It was a good pitch while it worked. But ever since it became impossible to die for death, we have had a secular version-- yours. Die to help History grow to its predestined shape. Die knowing your act will bring a good end a bit closer. Revolutionary suicide, fine. But look: if History's changes are inevitable, why not not die? Vaslav? If it's going to happen anyway, what does it matter?"
>"But you haven't ever had the choice to make, have you."
>"If I ever did, you can be sure--"
>"You don't know. Not till you're there, Wimpe. You can't say."
>"That doesn't sound very dialectical."
>"I don't know what it is."
>"Then, right up till the point of decision," Wimpe curious but careful, "a man could still be perfectly pure . . . "
>"He could be anything. I don't care. But he's only real at the points of decision. The time between doesn't matter."
>"Real to a Marxist."
>"No. Real to himself."

>>20577940
i interpreted a certain throat cutting as a call to action

>>20577929

>>20576555
(((They))) control everything and there is nothing you can do about it

>>20577797
I interpreted the Hereros as occupying a third position. They wanted to escape, Enzian gives a brief summary of his vision in his first chapter. Theres also moon symbology with the Herero, I think they use the rocket to escape from the story. Basically what Slothrop does, but deliberately.

>>20578296
based interpretation of the hereros

>>20578321
Hope its the correct one. The Hereros deserve a break, their philosophy of ethnic suicide is the most horrific thing in the novel.

>>20577370
>>20577778
> I'll wait for the quotes.
> gets owned
> selfpwning idiots every single fucking time
lol

Any books for this lack of self-awareness demonstrated by so many e-defenders of capitalism?

>>20578419
I would suggest harry potter, but probably reddit and marvel movies would be better for someone of the stunted mental abilities who uses the words “selfpwned” and “e-defenders” unironically.

Now go ahead and try get back at me because youre a fragile, weak-minded little midwit who can’t stand letting their ego get hurt from being truthfully called out. Now do as I say, bitch, and start typing that response.

>>20578483
Pynchon is a liberal. Deal with it

>>20578490
not according to ppl who know him
def not during v, lot 49 and gr

>>20578419
>e-defenders of capitalism
lol you have broken your brain
>capitalism
you're a fucking joke and don't know it
>>>>capitalism
ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i'm going to vomit from laughing at you

>>20579832
Uhh

>>20579842
go on

>>20576555
Fuck them all and wear a pig costume like the hero of legend and fuck some cuties.

>>20576601
sounds like you read Mike Ma instead

>>20577482
I know you're a lying little faggot because you haven't offered your own interpretation. That tells me you were filtered and are just mad that someone else enjoyed and connected with it enough to come away with some ideas and themes. Seethe and dilate.

Ensure you are on a proper course of antibiotics if you plan to eat shit

>>20576555
That Pynchon can’t write

>>20580740
wrekt

>>20576601

i don't understand how someone can have the mental ability to read a book like gr yet be so brain dead as to come away with an interpretation like this, but bravo anon, wherever you are. you put yourself out there no matter how stupid you must have know everyone would think of you. more of us could do with that kind of confidence

>>20581550
Probably too much credit. They didn't read a 777 page book ranging across every corner and angle of everything and extract a paragraph about 1920s robber barons and decide that's the point of the book.

They're using someone else's opinion as currency. I find it hard to believe anyone is as brain dead as you're suggesting.

>>20581645
that was but one example lol. Slothrop's family backstory is a cfritique of capitalism you clueless nonce

>>20581755
Why on earth would you think that lol it's about paper but i can see how your dashboard frizzled brain garbled the wording into thinking it's anti hahahahaha anti wew i can't even write it out you're so fucking retarded and don't know why do you

>>20581977
man you're dum

>>20582179
>gr is anticapitalism
hahahahahahaha

>>20576601
Why did people get so mad at this when it's 100% true? /lit/ is full of such dysgenic, jealous freaks.

>>20582679
against american empire capitalism anyway

>>20576601

>>20583157

seething imperialist

>>20582679
>>20583157
>>20576633
>>20579837
>the pollacks realizing the meme trilogy is not safe for them
BAHAHAHA god damn im loving this thread

>>20576555
Lightbulbs are people too and bri’ish candy sucks

>>20583203
wait till they find out that Pynchon probably supports BLM riots

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-watts.html

>>20583314
>>20583203
=)

you kids dont know much about old pinecone do you

=^^^))))))))))))))

>>20576601

Bit embarassing m8

>>20583249

Based. This lad gets it.

"FUCK NIXON"

>>20576601
a lot of replies shitting on this post but noone of them has given any other insight.

>>20583393

Based ESL to the rescue

>>20583393
it's about death duh

>>20576601
/pol/cels shitting their pants at the reveal that pynchy doesn't like them
amazing

>>20583419
>it’s not my midwit, shallow, surface level interpretation of the book thats wrong, it’s everyone is an imperialist!!!

kys

>>20583476
I'm sure you'll kill yourself soon

>>20583326
GR's like a CRT screed lol

Conspiracy theories and paranoia.

>>20576607
Underrated

>>20576601
>Capitalism won't stop until all humans are dead

>>20576601
This is a pretty stupid comment but I don’t think it deserves all the hate it’s getting.

>>20584922
prove him wrong uwu

>>20584570
yes black people's skin reminding the world of shit that's def crt maybe in a way that's outside the reach of your last operating braincells

>>20576601
>everybody shitting on this
>nobody can point out how he's wrong
really maketh one ponder

>>20585050
That line is referencing British psychologists analyzing Slothrop's trip where he goes down the toilet to escape Malcolm X raping him. You're the type of guy that would listen to Thing-Fish and think that Zappa was racist.

>>20581370
I don't understand this image. Is New England a good place to live?

>>20576601

Man, some people were making fun of this in another Pynchon thread and I didn't think it could be that bad but holy shit it really is

>>20585796
people are laughing at you in that thread too >>20585686

>>20585087
I genuinely don't think anybody shitting on it has read GR. He recommends you read Mumbo Jumbo ffs 3/4s of the way through the book and supported the watt's riots, not to mention the entirety of Vineland.

>>20576601

You know, even though you got it wrong at least you were bold enough to put up an interpretation unlike the ones making fun of you.

>>20585843
care to put one up yourself?

>>20585843
there's nothing bold about it

1 - capitalism? pah - the capital t Them don't care if you're alive or dead, most of you will be passed over by Them because you have no use

2 - there's nothing to say to this - you can go off grid, obviously, like in 1 - slothrop has a hard time managing it but lookit that he does

3 - you apparently don't know what beyond the zero is lol ah well

>>20585959
slothrop isn't real

>>20585970
lol yeah and

>>20576601
Fpbp

>>20576601
>>>reddit.com/marvelmovies

>>20576601
>over 2 days later
>83 posts in the thread
>19 replies to this post alone
>still exactly one response to OP's question longer than one sentence

>>20585818
i'm pretty sure it's literally just one guy seething lol. pynchon not being a leftist hippie is a very weird hill to die on.

It's about submission to fate. Some incredible feats of engineering give us the ability to control the trajectory of a rocket up until Brennschluss, when the fuel of the rocket is exhausted completely. Afterward, its path is determined only by the forces of gravity and chance. So the path of the rocket, or 'gravity's rainbow', has this duality to it. Man controls as much as he can, but the ultimate destination of the rocket is in the hands of Fate.
Notice, too, how Tchitcherine, the hypermasculine barbarian hell bent on delivering _his_ revenge, is placed under a spell by the Geli Tripping, the witch who waits for `the luminous spaces Pan will carry her to`. Fate is controlled only by those who accept it.

>>20576555

I read it ten years ago, and the only thing I still remember is the shit-eating scene.

>>20578483
>>20579837

seething lol

>>20587527
communism will never win no matter how many lies =) get wrekt

>>20576601

an infantile response but not sure why its getting shit on so much

>>20587708
it's fun to stamp on ants sometimes

>>20576601
HAHAHA
OH NO NO NO NO SWEATIE

>>20585087
Crime and Punishment is about gender dysphoria. Prove me wrong. NOW.

The newfags are mad, but it really is about capitalism. The book harps over and over about the Calvinist inside of everyone's head calling all the shots in a Freudian Daddy sort of way, hence all of the penis jokes. I mean jesus christ all you have to do is read a single chapter to see that it's about the domination of the natural world intertwining with the domination of man's desires. If that's not a critique of capitalism...uhh... you might have a Calvinist inside of your head that gets triggered when people say the world capitalism.

>>20588921
>i dont know what i’m talking about so i’ll just call everyone who disagrees with me newfags to cover up for it

mental midwit midget just do your disappointed parents a favor and go kys

>>20588951
If you can't even make an argument about why I'm wrong then I'm going to keep calling you a newfag who doesn't read. It's that simple

>>20576601
This post is obviously a joke and if you /polcels had more than 2 brain cells it wouldn’t have gone over your heads and you wouldn’t be seething about it. I can’t believe you idiots sometimes.

>>20576555
how good can this actually be given its critical acclaim by hostile ethnic elites?

>>20576607
I guess I don’t need to read it then

>>20576601
>Capitalism won't stop until all humans are dead
To be fair I remember being a teenager and being all edgy anarchist too

>>20589526
I liked it, then again I'm not brainwashed by polshit, so

>>20588921
>pynchon puts freudian symbolism in his books
Anyone who actually reads pinecone knows he is always making fun of Sigi. In V. in Lot 49 in GR, c'mon man—tell me you don't need the references...

>domination of the natural world intertwining with the domination of man's desires
Okay, go on, I'm interested in this wholly wrong interpretation. Where did you get this specifically? there is a theme of bdsm obviously but it's not what you're saying

>If that's not a critique of capitalism
GR isn't a critique of capitalism no matter how you try to rework it, sorry.

>>20588953
So you're an oldfag whose brain is too booze, pot, or nitrous addled to read? To actually see and remember the text?

>>20587854
There's no mention of gender disphoria or anything related to gender disphoria in crime and punishment, plus they had no conception of gender disphoria in that era.
Well that was pretty easy.

>>20589756
Adorno and Horkheimer's Dialectic of Enlightenment 100% informs one of the themes of GR, especially the first chapter. I even published a thesis on this topic, which you're free to check out here.

https://studenttheses.uu.nl/bitstream/handle/20.500.12932/37240/ARCHIVE_BA_English_Thesis_Groot_3433552.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

>>20589775
Actually, Dosoivski's avoidance of the issue spells out his attitude about it. At every turn of phrase in the novel, he? hides behind masculine and feminine pronouns and "names" which are just masks or shells. Why not interrogate the assumptions behind these? When you look at the normative and misnormative complications arising from even the reader's own assumptions, you see that it's not as straightforward as it initially seems. I would explain further but you're probably too fucking right wing to get it. Go back to /pol/.

>>20589792
Man, you read need to go outside. Get some fresh air, bask in the sun, look at the trees and all that kind of stuff.

>>20589783
LOL you don't see the irony here????? You rule.

This is why the middle class should NOT be taught to read hahahaha.

>>20589756
Then what is it about? Please, come on, can even just one of you give your own alternative interpretation of the book? Surely you've all read it if you have such a gripe with their interpretation, no?

>>20589807
>What is it about?
This is a very stupid question. You know why, right? You understand Pynchon's influences right? You know how he wrote this book? No, you don't.

One interesting theme is the loss of friends. Hmm, why is it all over the book? How does this relate to the project of GR? Why don't you tell us!

Stick in spoke racial suicide? Is that a central theme?

The uselessness of cause and effect? Is that a theme?

Engage with the text :] stop acting like an braindead european

>>20589783
>It therefore struck me as surprising how little information I could find on Pynchon and the enlightenment, as discussed in Dialectic. Given the timing of his writing of Gravity’s Rainbow (and previous books) and the influence of Adorno and Horkheimer on the counterculture of the period, I was expecting to struggle to find a niche in this area, only to find—in my admittedly limited online search as I could not access plenty of databases—no articles directly linking either authors or works. It is not that the term enlightenment has never been brought up among Pynchon admirers, but the research that has been conducted centred more on the concept of spiritual enlightenment in his novels, rather than the enlightened science that lived well past the Age of Enlightenment. I could not go as in depth as I could have but given how much I had to leave out of this thesis for the sake of length there is future potential for more thorough research and analysis of enlightened criticism in Pynchon’s work.

This is one of the funniest things i've read in a long time. There is zero authority in "I even published a thesis" apparently. Good job lol

>>20589848
You're supposed to refute the contents of the thesis, polcel. The state of rightoids....

>>20589824
>One interesting theme is the loss of friends.

You are trying so hard to bury your head in the sand and not see the political/ideological critique baked into the entire saga. Holy cope.

>>20589848
>in my admittedly limited online search as I could not access plenty of databases

This is the kind of in depth research I expect from a /litizen. Bravo.

>>20590039
>no evidence
ok dude =)

>>20590032
The thesis is >thing unrelated is related
Nothing to address
This is how you lose =)

>>20590163
> =)

>>20590163
>Gravity's Rainbow examines themes of war and technological advances from the beginning of World War II through the Vietnam War. Pynchon is concerned about the enormous and complex technologies for destroying human life that have proliferated since World War II.

>(You) - It's about losing friends, man.

Holy kek the rightoid cope is unreal.

>>20590163
>Gravity's Rainbow analyzes globalization and empire both in their political dimensions and in their tendencies to destroy individual identity. Politically, Pynchon examines and critiques empires ranging from the Germans and their dealings with the African Hereros, to Dutch colonial Mauritius, to British, Russian, and American plans for world domination. As depicted in the novel, empire building is a means of subjugating another culture and controlling the lives of everyone living in it. Additionally, Pynchon outlines a widespread conspiracy in the non-governmental arena of capitalist globalization. The novel suggests that war is a means for companies such as Shell and General Electric to continue the business of buying and selling, with no regard for human life and little tolerance for individuals who want to control their own destinies.

> (You) It's about losing friends, waaaa

>>20590216
>>20590213
Everyone sees how badly you blew it linking that lol ::::::::::::::::]

you have no idea how insanely right wing GR is do you?

>>20590341
>Offers no refutation to both threads.

This is how you lose =)

>Racism is a common element in many of Pynchon's key storylines, and Pynchon considers the theme of race within the setting of World War II as well as the 1960s U.S. civil rights movement. The quest to find Enzian's African Schwarzkommando is perhaps the most prominent of the plotlines in which Pynchon explores race relations. Characters such as Slothrop and Tchitcherine are obsessed with racial difference, and their obsessions trace back to childhood traumas involving racist conditioning. Blicero and others are also prejudiced against Jews, and Pynchon writes openly about the horrors of the Holocaust. Much of Pynchon's black and white symbolism and allusion (Geli Tripping's white magic or the imagery surrounding Domina Noctura, for example) emphasizes that racism is widespread, formidable, and dominant in postwar Western culture. Pynchon also connects racist ideology to capitalist and governmental conspiracies such as that of the German company IG Farben, which used concentration camp labor to produce chemicals, one of which was the Zyklon-B rat poison used in the gas chambers to exterminate Nazi prisoners.

Coping incels >>20589824 "It's about losing friends". Holy kek.

I have to admit, the answers to all this bullshit exist, in print, in the words of pynchon himself, outside the interior context of fiction and you're all to fucking pedestrian to access it. You're all like ants in an idiot ant farm.

>>20590356
>>20590213
you can double post but the fact is it's dedicated to farina and all the major characters (all of them) deal with losing male companions that are important to them

too bad you can't comprehend the primary source (gravity's rainbow) and have to shit out your dick and put knife and fork to it and pretend it's food

then again i don't pity you lol it's fun to watch you serve and eat shit

>>20590373
Sure bub, the IG Farben narrative is all and only about losing 'male companions' lmfao. But at least I got you to seethe kek. Plus I'm still waiting for you to refute the green text.
=)

>>20590405
Wait what do you think the IG Farben cartel is about?

>>20590434
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>>20590434
IG Farben was built up with US capital (Nazi germay was in fact built up through US loans) im pretty sure and their factories were spared from allied bombing raids from memory. Which speaks volumes considering the wehrmacht relied on synthetic oils it provided. Even though American oil companies did outright provide refueling stations for U-boats wolfpacks. Pynchon's saying that - "they" who own America, own Germany too. At least that's one angle, but I've yet to see that sexless faggot substantiate his claim that any of it is to do with 'losing friends'.

>>20590341
>you have no idea how insanely right wing GR is do you?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

>>20590488
I think he might be that faggot who tried to debate Destiny and got btfo despite regurgitating every /lit/ meme.

boring thread

>>20590479
> let’s reduce Pynchon, one of the most complex and intelligent writers there is, to surface level, shallow, no subtlety “companies are evil!!!”

Do you think it’s Pynchon who’s that unintelligent and lacking craft as an author, or is it you’re a midwit who can’t comprehend anything beyond the most easy to grasp interpretation any high schooler could come up with?

>>20590506
Did you miss the part where I said,

> At least that's one angle

??? Are you really this stupid? Of course there's more to be taken, but the historical details there are significant and absolutely play a role in the story. But we're all still waiting for your analyses champ.

>>20590506
instead of larping, refute him.

>>20576601

You know, people are being dicks to you but I think it’s not fair. I think you wrote this with good intentions so I’d like to offer some advice as a PhD in Literature.

First, I recommend rereading a book after the initial read. Often on the first reading one hooks onto certain themes that seem to exist but upon later readings one is able to dig down to a deeper level and find nuances that one could not catch at first.

Second I’d recommend finding what’s known as secondary literature about the book. This means reading articles and books about the book. For more famous books there’s often a wealth of literature and just about anything one can think of has probably already been written. This can help one to really delve into a book.

Anyway, I think for a first attempt this was a really good effort and don’t let 4chan get you down.

>>20590531
>I’d like to offer some advice as a PhD in Literature
>Second I’d recommend finding what’s known as secondary literature about the book.

I'm laughing very hard at you right now.

>>20590541
That’s fine. I don’t care about losers like you. The guy I replied to wrote out a pretty decent response and people made fun of him instead of helping so I decided to five some advice. Whatever you poltards or incels think or feel about that I don’t give a shit.

>>20590549
You're a larping faggot. PhD in Literature (you're lying) and yet you have no interpretation to offer on GR. God help you when you come to your Viva Voce. Someone's getting 'Major revisions required' kek. Might as well drop out now.

>>20590552
If you want to make up stories about me in your head go ahead, it’s kind of sad, but whatever. Why don’t you just go back to /pol and go worry about “race wars” or whatever the shit it is you inbred hillbillies talk about.

>>20590568
>Still hasn't offered any insight into GR, despite being a PhD in Literature (allegedly).

Woops.

>>20590577
>Trump lost

Whoops

>>20590583
>Still no GR interpretation.

This is just sad. Why lie?

>>20590586

Keep making up stories in your head about me. I love it. Dance for me like a doggie and reply to my post with the same schtick because you have no other option. And do it quickly, make sure you hit reply as soon as read this just like I’m commanding you to do because I’m busy and don’t want to wait. If you feel yourself starting to hesitate, don’t, just remember how I trained you, rightoid.

>>20590601
Why won't you offer a GR interpretation? Is it because it filtered you? Or you haven't read it?

>>20590615
There we go. Just like my bitch. I trained you well. Very Pavlovian of me wouldn’t you say? That’s a major theme of the book. Glad I could help you. Have fun :)

>>20590621
>He googled 'Gravity's Rainbow themes'.

Oh shit. You're unironically fucked if you really are doing a PhD in lit kekekek.

>>20590506
But that's exactly what it's about, retard. Who shit in your asshole this morning?

>>20576601
Lol, I don’t even think this is wrong I’m just here for the pile-on. Include me in the screencap

>>20590341
oh shit he's serious

Why does telling socialists that capitalism will win cause such seething?

>>20590479
>Nazi germay was in fact built up through US loans
No, it wasn't. One bank loaned one guy money. Why are you so misinformed lol?

> Pynchon's saying that - "they" who own America, own Germany too
I have reported this post to the adl
Go fuck yourself nazi

>>20590898
Saying that capitalism will win is like saying if you jump off a cliff you will die. That's not a very bold prediction. But that's not very helpful if you believe you're falling off a cliff. People obviously wish there was a better alternative than certain death

>>20590898
What does "win" mean though? Do you think capitalism will still exist in 200 years? 1000 years? 5000 years?

>>20590907
>one bank loaned one guy money
lmao. what is
>JP Morgan
>Chase
>Brown Brothers
>IBM
>Prescott Bush
and like a thousand others. If there was a large American company in the 1930s it was guaranteed to be investing in the Nazis.

>>20590990
it was brown brothers which included bush, if you understood anything hahhahahahah

Yo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I9RpfCeo5E

communism will lose

the invisible hand always wins, FAGGOT

>>20591019
Holy shit you really do so everything through the lens of sports LMFAO
>X will lose and theres nothing u can do about it!!#!@!
>my ideology will win!!!! HHAHA
Everyone who isn't a retard already knows capitalism is "winning" but that's not what is being argued. I've already wasted so much time typing this to someone who is just going to make a LE SPORTS response so whatever

>>20591033
These are the sounds of an "ideology" LOL that has already lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGwWNGJdvx8

>>20591042
pol has dulled your brain

>>20591045
huh?

>>20591045
don't even bother replying. The only thing left inside of that anon's head is sports and pol

>>20591045
the failure of critical thinking on display wew

>engaging commies ever

>>20591059
Yeah some people read hegel and have a form a linguistic brain cancer after... oh well

>>20591059
lol "don't engage" the last refuge of the retarded

the absolute state of the left

>>20591080
no, that's ideology lol

>>20578358
Not that poster, but I agree. The idea of a people eliminating themselves to escape a fundamental degradation of purpose felt like the idea the "Western" characters were keeping themselves blind to.
A non-academic, non-political, purely human response to existential horror which recognizes that "We"(humans) not "They"(other humans) are the problem, and there's too much momentum to step back.

>>20591166
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

all the rightoids realizing that le based book by Pynchon is le cringe should immediately commit suicide

>>20591481
seethe and dilate