/lit/ - Literature

>>20582168
Start from the Greeks

>>20582168
try the big book of reddit if the truth is le scary

read a book with paragraphs in it
you are instantly not /pol/ anymore

>>20582168
lol check out marx
>Wage, Labor, and Capital
>Critique of Gotha Program
>Commie Manifesto
>Das Kapital

honestly there's more by marx u should read, but why not jump from one side of the spectrum and find urself Op

>>20582168
ignore>>20582210
and read about something you enjoy talking about, and if you happen to be interested in philosophy and philosophy of politics, I would recommend starting with Bertrand Russels History of Western Philosophy, then slowly progress to Platos Republic and then perhaps finish the rest of the Greeks and just see what you enjoy.

Until you are better familiar with philosophy ignore marxist cultists, always keep in mind that marxism is a pseudo-christian religious cult, and should be from contemporary perspective always treated as such. Not saying its wrong, but noone takes Marx too seriously today.

>>20582181
nothing /pol/ believes is true, chudboy

>>20582168
>original thinking
no such thing, everything has already been thought of - most major things are recorded by people that bothered to write it down Greeks and Chinese

>>20582210
yes, i went to the bookstore & bought some marx book this morning as a thought experiment. thank you for giving good recommendations.

>>20582311
borther dont start philosophy with Marx, if youre a dopamine brainfried zoomer, then, with all due respect to my homie Marx, youre just going to become a dogmatic marxist. The kind of marxist Marx himself would have beaten to death.

>>20582168
Chomsky is the ultimate /pol/ pesticide

>>20582304
Post nose

>>20582168
Read the canon of Chudism first.

>>20582175
no

>>20582168
>i am looking to develop more original thinking.
By reading what other people think? Literature isn't different, you just have to pay money to read long winded shitposts and you're more likely to get caught up by the sunk cost fallacy. Get off the internet for a while, stop trying to distract your brain every minute of every day and embrace your discomfort with that.

ok i didnt see other recommendations popping up. thank u for ur replys lads.

>>20582326
i understand why spectrum-jumping into Marx seems cringe.
the truth is I do have experience reading philosophy, and also og greek shit. But also based-books.

basically I am conducting THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS, challenging solidified beliefs through new material.
Cringe & rad ideological recommendations are welcome for the purposes of stirring the pot.
what is true to my spirit will remain.

>someone right-wing tries to get away from cultish political thinking
>lefties immediately try to indoctrinate him into their own brand of cultish political thought
Kek, the more things change the more they stay the same.
Alright OP, first off, just by being willing to challenge your worldview you're already doing pretty well. Do what first post says and start with the Greeks, then branch off from there into whichever traditions catch your eye as plausible/interesting/meaningful. Don't just read philosophy though, give fiction a chance as well.

>>20582397
based approach. Are you familiar with the works of Nietzsche then? You need to elaborate on which authors and what books specifically you have or have not read, because if I recommend you something too random its just gonna be worthless reading of gibberish aloud.

>>20582181
If you think /pol/ has "the truth", then you are a victim of propaganda

>>20582412
what kind of elaborate troll is this, Ive quite honestly recommended anon to do the same.

see >>20582292

>>20582304
>>20582437

/pol/ is literally just unhappy teenagers talking to mi6 agents who are trying to blackmail them into cutting their dicks off and commit sch**l sh**tings.

>>20582168
>>20582412
>>20582437

>They are losing control of the narrative, they are now starting early to alienate a vast and growing voter base from voting in hard-right candidates.

>>20582463
define right-wing.

>>20582168
It's a bit large due to being a history book but I recommend Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley. It can help you understand from a historian standpoint how civilizations really work and how they stop working. It will give you a more sober and less dogmatic birds eye view of the world. I also recommend any small textbooks on comparative religion to understand what a community (nationalism, religion, etc) and you will begin to see how each group really is not monolithic at all.
From there it can be helpful to look at literary canon from different parts of the world to understand the lens that people see the world in. I am not suggesting that identity or community don't matter, I personally think they do but there is a limit to what a civilization can achieve looking through history we all face a reckoning eventually. Western Civilization is a very unique case that has survived 2 and seemingly 3 civilization ending events (the plague, American Revolution, and WWII). Good luck on your journey anon, just remember to read every day, there is a lot to read.

>>20582472
Nationalist, not internationalist.
Slow to change, not rapid.
Greater value in past morality than finding new ones.
Unity, conformity and heirarchy.
One dominant culture and group, not many competing ones.


People can argue about issues, but these overall concepts ring true.

Just read more serious versions of what you have been exposed to and actually try to justify your beliefs.

Good starting points:
>Christopher Lasch, The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy
>Lasch, The True and Only Heaven
>Buchanan, anything really
>T.S. Eliot, Notes Toward the Definition of Culture
>Hayek, Road to Serfdom (yes, really, actually a good book)
>Gasset, The Revolt of the Masses
>Russell Kirk, The Conservative Mind (or Scruton if you want an even easier introduction)
>Samuel Francis, Beautiful Losers
These are some softer but non-meme versions of large parts of /pol/'s worldview.

>>20582311
If you find yourself totally lost in Marx, try anything general on him by Sidney Hook. He was a good middle of the road praxis-oriented Marxist who wrote overviews.

>>20582519
ring true to who? If a person disagrees with one of the following criteria then what is he?

>>20582491
Quigley is good, seconding. Anglo-American Establishment is a shorter, easier alternative (270pg or so) if you can't manage the full 1400.
https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/Tragedy_Hope_excerpt.html

There's also "None Dare Call it Conspiracy."

Peter Dale Scott is good for deep state stuff.

>>20582210
marxism is just catholicism retard, communism is papal rule

>>20582336
what are some good works of Chomsky?

>>20582534
wild guess: a tranny

lol I pissed off /lit/ by reccing Marx

I should start reccing foucault next time

>>20582664
Understanding Power is a good place to start. it's a compilation but don't let that throw you off
Manufacturing Consent is also a must

beyond that it really depends on which parts of his work interests you. linguistics, philosophy, political commentary.

>>20582336
Not really. His arguments against race and IQ are just childish and wrong. Just screams nazi and racism

>>20582715
elaborate

>>20582702
where do u start w/ Foucault mane?

>>20582191
This is actually a good, non-obvious suggestion.

>>20582731
It was when Charles Murray book came out and there is a video where he talks about it and it's just 5 minutes of him saying how he's a Nazi and racist and how they just want to use genes as a way to enslave black people and then later on in another interview admits to never actually reading the book.

>>20582734
Not the person you're replying to, but Discipline and Punish is good. Lots of great historical anecdotes that are interesting in themselves even if you don't buy the overall argument.

>>20582731
To add I don't think Chomsky would deradicalize a right winger I think he is and could be a good supplement to right wing thought. You will find him on /pol/ charts. His hate of the government and corporations is useful to right wingers and they just ignore the few sentences where he talks about social issues

>>20582755
def, honestly Foucault is super easy to read and u don't need a place to start, history of sexuality along with madness and civilization is good too

>>20582534
>>20582675

>>20582311
I would really recommend Engels "Socialism Utopian and Scientific" for the marxist worldview. Its very concise, short and just an incredible read. It gives a whole alternative perspective on human society and development. You can read it for free on marxists.org

>>20582168
How about Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism by Michael Parenti

>>20582791
good shout

>>20582791
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>>20582705
>>20582542
>>20582463
>>20582210
Why do you think far left literature is going to convince a right winger? It's like giving Evola to a Marxist as a way to deradicalize.

Reading Marx/Engels is a waste of time without a grounding in basic economics at a minimum, and it's utility is questionable. If you want to read Marxist theory at least go for Adorno, Benjamin or Marcuse. Thirding the recommendation of Foucault or say someone like Hannah Arendt, they're both very readable.

>>20582784
yeah i bet it does you fucking papist

>>20582802
troon books challenge chud books, which is what op asked for
simple as

>>20582168
guenon

>>20582881
Guenon seems interesting. What works would you recommend?

>>20583014
Not him but Crisis of the Modern World to start

>>20583014
>>20583015
yeah it's a good starting spot for a /pol/tard
Would follow that up with East & West

it'll challenge your /pol/-esque view
you will see that the problems are much deeper than le jew

>>20583030
>>20583015
>>20582881
this is interesting. I am only familiar w/ esotericism through evola really.

>>20583054
>I am only familiar w/ esotericism through evola really.
guenon is a must for any evolafag
evola references him countless times throughout his books and says in the opening pages of Ride the Tiger that he based most of his ideas off of guenon with a slight twist

once you go back to evola after reading guenon, you will realize just how much went over your head upon your first read

t. exactly what happened to me

Kys

>>20582168
>My brain is fried from le net, i am looking to develop more original thinking.
Read Decline of the West then and understand that there is no such thing kek.

>>20582168
op here, im trans btw if that helps you recc

>>20582168
Read ludwig von mises. He wrote books attacking both socialism and nazis.

>>20583245
>im trans btw if that helps you recc
have you tried rope?

>>20582168
19th century racial theories and anthropology texts

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>>20582802
it really depends on the right-winger. most /pol/ people need hardcore deprogramming and not amount of literature will do that. this is more about inoculating people against right wing demagoguery.

>>20584681
>most /pol/ people need hardcore deprogramming

>voting for orange man is demagoguery but not worshiping queen elizabeth as god

PERFIDIOUS ALBION

>>20582675
>>20582773
huh? why do you /pol/tards always bring troons into everything? I mean I understand that you are all closeted homosexuals obssessing over Third Reichs homoerotic aesthetic, but for fucks sake, learn to have a discussion.

Find some open courses and read what they give on their syllabus. You don't want meme books recommended by 4chan users without having a good reason to read them yourself.
Stay away from echo chambers like /pol/ (but this almost means not using any site at all).

>>20582519
A decent general definition but there are definitely exceptions.
For example there have definitely been progressives that were nationalistic. Im thinking here of progressives in the U.S like Teddy Roosevelt who were against monopolies but at the same time had an imperialistic foreign policy.

>>20582168
Unironically Kant.

>>20582168
Don't bother with Marx unless you want to join an equally retarded death cult.
I'd recommend the following:
The Paranoid Style of American Politics
&
Chimpanzee Politics

>>20582168
Unironicly watch ContraPoints

>>20582702
>give bad book reccommendations (sic.)
>people point out you're being retarded
>hhhm, how curious ;)

>>20585055
Yeah, true there will always be exception. I dont think anything you mention there is left or right, on specific issues there is enough justification for doiny anything. Healthcare, immigration, economic regulation. No position on these issues is inherently partisan.

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>>20582191
Can't go wrong with Benjamin, I guess.

2. Leave this board/site. Scroll through the threads and tell me if this is really a good way to spend your time. Lit has just become the second Pol with mentally ill nationalists, esotericists and tradcaths on the one side and shitposters who just want to get a reaction on the other. And even if you are right-wing or whatever this place should still be a waste if you have any sense of self-worth. Read Davila if you want some intelligent, reflected and reactionary aphorisms — or maybe Simone Weil. You can't also go wrong with Marx, even if you end up disagreeing with many of his ideas. Ignoring him because dogmatic marxists are retarded would make you no different from a redditor who doesn't want to read Plato, Nietzsche, Lovecraft because they're "problematic".

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>>20582168
Kys

>>20585080
>unless you want to join an equally retarded death cult
It's a tranny, it's alreasy in one.

>>20582175
Seconded.

>>20582304
>>20582454
Then .../pol/ is still right?

>>20585405
if u've ever actually been to a barcade no one plays videos games in there, it's just a background prop like a picture of the owner with mike tyson or a signed derek jeter jersey behind the bar, but at least in a sports bar someone might start a conversation about those relics. in a barcade no one is even going to think about those games. kind of a sad enterprise, but somehow it stays in business.

Just read Machiavelli and see why Machiavelli retired from politics too.

>>20582168
Good for you. Just don't fall for any of the lefties trying to shill their memes to you. I'd say read some simple Greeks and Romans first. Many people here may shit on Aristotle but I think his Nicomachean Ethics is one of the better starting points for genuine self-development.

>>20585535
No

>>20582519
how can right wing be both conformists but be slow to change, and put value in past morality rather than new morality (non-flexible, non-conformist)

turns out, you have no clue what youre talking about.

>>20582305
>no such thing, everything has already been thought of - most major things are recorded by people that bothered to write it down Greeks and Chinese
What can I read for original thoughts from ancient Chinese?
Seems like not much gets translated. I hope you're thinking of more than just Sun Tzu.

>>20582168
One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Invented Christian America

It's the story of how all these nondenominational racist Christians believe that Jesus is a libertarian icon. Fucking amazing book with amazing citations.

t. I was raised hard right wing by illiterate /pol/acks and had to fight my way to not being a racist retard like them.

>>20582168
Read Ellul.

Embrace Christ

>>20585655
>racist retard
Anon, I'm sorry, but pajeet needs to shit somewhere else

>>20582181
Get off /pol/

>>20585660
is that you bill? pretty sure we weren't supposed to make the matrix a documentary

>>20582168
Making Contact by Alan Steinfield
Journey of Soul by Michael Newton

Have you tried turning your computer off and using the library?

>>20582168
For me reading has just made me hate the jews and their golems even more than ever.

>>20585405
>Image
He seemed nice enough until about when he started talking about Adult Swim.

Then he just descends into further and further madness.

>>20582305
>everything has already been though of
Only if you ignore science and math