/lit/ - Literature

>>20580522
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>>20580522
Dante? Bernanos? Mauriac? Tolkien? O’Connor? Depends on what aspect of Dostoevsky you’re considering.

>>20580522
me, anon. my diary publishing soon

>>20580522
Bloy, The Desperate Man

>>20580522
>catholic
if you've read dosto, you know there's no need for one because catholicism was a mistake

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>>20580731
>Catholicism was a mistake
>literally founded by Christ himself
>The Pope has apostolic succession all the way back to Peter
Meanwhile...
>Orthodox don't have apostolic succession
>Orthodox churches don't have a centralized Church and is just a bunch of patriarchs "in communion" with each other
>Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent and so is the rest of the clergy.
>Russian Church is merely a puppet of the Russian government; muh socialism.
Sorry, who's the mistake again? Why are (you) and Dosto so insistent in keeping away from Catholics when you're closer to us than Protestants are and vice versa.

>>20580834
you're an idiot, get the fuck off /lit/ you actual retard.

Never forget when the Orthodox held their tongues and cowered in fear as heresies were adopted at "Second Ephesus." And it was only because Pope Leo I's legate St. Hilarius objected that the "council" was voided and Chalcedon was called to rectify the situation, with all the Orthos arriving and publicly repenting for previously voting for heresy.

>>20580522
Bloy

Walker Percy

>>20580522
Who gives a fuck?

>>20580834
>Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent

Based

>>20580834
Oriental Orthodoxy is the truth.

Herman Melville

>>20580834
The Western church was Orthodox before it was Roman Catholic.

>>20580711
>Leon Bloy
Thanks for introducing him to me, anon, I'm eager to read it now.

>>20580522
Dostoievski's equivalent is Joyce. Dante is not the equivalent because Dostoievski is not even half as good as Dante was; the Russian Orthodox Dante is probably Tolstoy since he is the only one who resembles him.

>>20580963
Kinda true. Dostoevsky can totally be appreciated by Catholics, and has been for generations. It is typical of overzealous converts to seek only materials and influences that are part of their “team.” The only Dostoevsky for Catholics is… Dostoevsky

>>20580987
But Tolstoy wasn’t Russian Orthodox, anon

>>20580987
The equivalent is Bloy. Salvation by the Jews is the Catholic "Grand Inquisitor."

>>20580987
His goodness as an author would be culturally subjective, would it not? Dostoevsky could never be Dante to us. Dante could never be Dostoevsky to them. Do you really think Russians care for Dante like we do?

>>20580994
The problems that Tolstoy had with the Orthodox Church does not mean that Tolstoy was not Orthodox but that he preferred his original and personal version of Christianity.

>>20580981
He has awesome quotes. Some if my favorite 20th century writers ended up becoming huge fans of his but not one talks about it.

>>20580988
But there's a thing in Dostoievski's books that somehow can only be experienced by Orthodox christians.

That could be a Catholic author who does the same with catholicism.

>>20580987
why the fuck do you non reading trannies waste your time here?

If Dostoevsky is an author who approaches things from the point of view of Orthodoxy, then the equivalent author who approaches things from the viewpoint of Catholicism is someone who is not Catholic and probably not even religious.

Let that sink in for a few minutes if you don’t get it.

The correct answer has been posted many times now. It's Bloy.

Bloy - Salvation by the Jews
Bloy - The Despairing
Bloy - Disagreeable Tales
Bloy - The Woman Who Was Poor

There you go. Catholic Dostoevsky, with a little Catholic proto-Kafka and proto-Borges thrown in.

>>20581072
>Let that sink in
You have to go back.

>>20580522
It doesn't matter, really, because Eastern Orthodoxy is completely void of any dogma with moral or spiritual nurtitional value, and for couple hundreds years has mostly been
institution of cult of death & temporal misery so ingrained in eastern slav culture and lapdog of Tzars/Patry/Contemporary Tzars, and with few exceptions was always subservient to them.
With that said, Joyce, I guess.

>>20580522
Joyce seemed like a lapsed catholic to me. He certainly didn’t defend them

>>20581072
Ok sure

>>20580834
>Orthodox don't have apostolic succession
wrong
>Orthodox churches don't have a centralized Church and is just a bunch of patriarchs "in communion" with each other
yes, like the early church
>Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent and so is the rest of the clergy.
Romans 7 or whatnot, but it doesn't matter ROC isn't the only Orthodox Church

>>20580863
u mad lol

>>20580834
Based and true

>>20580522
bernanos?

>>20581031
But what is that "thing" in Dosto that Orthodox Christians can experience and not Catholics?

>>20581031
Catholic here. Dosto feels very relatable to me.

>>20580522
Jorge Luis Borges

>>20581007
Who the fuck is "we" and "they" here?
Also, Russians have a dozen translations of Dante and hold him in about as high regard as any other western nation outside of Italy (for whom he is the most important).

>>20580863
>No rebuttal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL6cJPz3Nk

>>20580979
>Source: my ass

>>20580522
RUSSIAN.ORTHODOOKIE.IS.A.MEME

>>20580548
Tolkien is to dualistic

>>20581560
Dosto creates a literature that takes his faith seriously, as something extremely meaningful, something that's always present in the lives of his characters, usually making them better people. He kinda illustrates why Orthodoxy is "right".

Everytime I read a Catholic (someone who is at least culturally Catholic) author writing fiction and trying to put Catholicism in the same place that Dosto puts Orthodoxy in his works, it's different.

Catholicism is kinda written with mockery, as a decadent institution, as something retrograde and filled with irrational superstition.

Is G.K Chesterton anything like him? Haven't read Chesterton, read Dostoevsky.

>>20584602
>Everytime I read a Catholic (someone who is at least culturally Catholic) author writing fiction and trying to put Catholicism in the same place that Dosto puts Orthodoxy in his works, it's different.
This statement is suspect because you have not provided a necessary example of such a "Catholic" author. For the time being I will assume that you have not read a single "Catholic" author and that you are just writing how you 'feel' and not what you really know, typical of "Orthodox" Christians.

>>20583927
The West rite has been used by some parishes in the West since as early as the 10th century.

>>20583980
> meme author says so must be true

>>20581560
Genuine and sincere religious feeling and piety

>>20580979
>Implying the current "Orthodox" rites aren't full of heresy, innovation and prelest such as their hesychast navel-gazing non-Trinitarian nonsense
How many "Orthodox" rites are there by the way? And how many "Orthodox" rites are in a state of mutual excommunication? Orhotodoxy is basically another Protestant sect at this point, just as they were destined to become the moment they all broke from Rome, the Rock of Christ's Church, the Shepherd of Christ's Flock, the Vicar of Christ.

>>20584718
You don’t understand patriarchates do you?

>>20584687
>NNTaleb
>meme author
oh my, you must be a very smart boy! I bet you could write some really great stuff all by yourself too that others would pay for even! Special Boy Alert!!!
>He's one of those retarded Ortholarper converts too
kys

>>20584655
>For the time being I will assume that you have not read a single "Catholic" author

That's the point of this thread. For people to suggest said authors to be read.

>>20584725
Do you know what Schism is?

>>20584760
This is you, hesychast.

>>20584771
Yes, I do and I don’t see how that a schism occurred vindicates anything you said.

>>20584733
You have to resort to ad hominems and strawman.

>>20580981
You write like a fag, but I am happy for you.

>>20581086
>proto-Kafka and proto-Borges
Don’t forget proto-DFW

>>20584884
then you're retarded, desu.

>>20584626
Not really no, completely different mood. Chesterton is very light hearted.

>>20584789
I'll assume you don't know any, then. Cool.