/lit/ - Literature

>>20578655
Goethe???

>>20578655
My dick has an appointment with your mom.

>>20578655
Hah, I haven't read any of these

>>20578661
>go to guy's house for a chat
>see his bookshelf
>there is a bad picture of Goethe
>autistic suicidal rage
>sperg out on him and leave

>>20578655
Books her ex liked

why goethe and turgenev.

I have Lolita in the same shelf as Freud and Foucault

Time to stock up.

>>20578655
What exactly is wrong with fathers and sons? Is bitching about book being about males.

>>20578730
It's about nihilism

>>20578697

>>20578739
not him and I haven't read it yet (it's near the top of the list for what I'm going to read next), but I thought the point of Fathers and Sons wasn't to glorify nihilism, but that Ivan Turgenev foresaw nihilism growing out of liberalism and to illustrate the difference between the liberal, older generation and the newer, more radical nihilists that spawned from them - as an inevitability from liberalism.

>>20578655
Some one sell me on Hemingway. Why read his stuff?

>>20578702
kek

>>20578754
The short stories are very good. Why read him? Well, are you into fiction at all?

>>20578763
What are the recurring themes in his fiction?

>>20578771
You want us to spoon feed you? A quick google search can easily answer all your questions

>>20578655

What's supposed to be wrong with Goethe? This list feels oddly specific. They should list the brain-dead OBVIOUS turn-offs (Ayn Rand counts).

t. have a copy of Mein Kampf on my shelf and I'm considering throwing it out because I actually want to try dating/hooking up and there's a distinct non-zero possibility I might get someone back at my place

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>>20578788
Only liberals and Redditors are scared of Ayn Rand lmao

>>20578655
>Lolita is my favorite book
No one would ever say this

>>20578797
I've never read her myself, but I've never understood the obsessive hatred towards her from people who've clearly not read anything past JK Rowling and other YA. I mean, sure, it's "right-wing" and espouses the virtues of a perspective that they don't align with - but none of these people have even read it!

How are people able to disagree so vehemently and judge her writing when they haven't even read her (and hence, own the book and needing to place it somewhere... perhaps on a bookshelf.)

>>20578816
My neighbor’s young daughter goes by Lo, and I made the mistake of joking “her full name was Delores, her parents called her Lo, but to me, she will always be Lolita”

>>20578834
But the name is Dolores.

>>20578797
No one’s scared of her, sped. If I saw her fanfic on someone’s shelf I’m assuming they’re a moron.

>>20578849
Yea, they're pathologically scared of her to the point where they consider her a "red flag" because of her politics.

>>20578754
A Farewell to Arms, The Sun Also Rises, and The Old Man and the Sea are what I've read from him and they are all great. There's something in his style that's so direct, so precise and to the point that every time that he changes from the description of a place to the description of an emotion or a relation it feels like pure direct honesty. In other places his style works as a good contrast with what the characters 'should' be living because his objectivity brings them back to place. An example, major spoilers ahead, is when at the end of A Farewell to Arms the woman of the main character dies after giving birth to a deadborn and the last lines of the novel are 'After a while I went out and left the hospital and walked back to the hotel in the rain.' which shows you how an event that would be the cause of so much suffering and pain, is interrupted (in the prose) by the objective fact of having to move. Also after you read him you realize how influetial he was because almost every modern writer has a similar style.

>>20578884
What do Americans actually mean by "great"? They call everything "great" these days. No hierarchy of values at all.

>>20578890
better than good, I'm not even american

>>20578792

Ah, but you see, I like the cock, so I actually have a chance.

>>20578900
>I'm not even american
In spirit, you are.

>>20578655
Whoever made this list is retarded. Why on earth is Goethe listed? He at least could have gone for the Peterson meme or any other popular le masculine self-help book writer.
t. enjoyer of masculine self-help books

>>20578911
Faggots just fornicate with whatever bum they can find on the street, no need to worry about edgy books .

>>20578816
Plenty of people say that, just not around plebs.

>>20578911
>implying any homosexual who has made his way into your bedroom is going to give a shit what books you have on the shelf

>>20578655
Guilty of 2 and 3...

>>20578702
> no dommy gf oneitis for me to stab

>>20578771
listful melancholy

4 here

>>20578655
Only ones I don’t own and haven’t read are Bukowski and Rand. I have a few hundred books though so the others don’t stick out

>>20578655
This is such an amerifat post

>>20578655
>Goethe
I guess one of her "toxic" exes was a fan of him.

>>20578655
>Have more Faulkner than I do Hemingway.
Phew, I think I'm safe

>>20578753
Fathers and Sons is unironically one of my favourite books and its about how young people often get swept up in ideology and end up completely failing to notice the things they should be cherishing, such as the love that their parents are showing them. It's about how blind and ignorant the young can be. You could say the equivalent today would be young people who loathe their parents because they don't know all the latest LGBTQ jargon and viewpoints, or /pol/ chuds who hate their parents because they don't know about the latest loony conspiracy theory involving Jews.

>>20579138
>/pol/ chuds who hate their parents because they don't know about the latest loony conspiracy theory involving Jews.
this never happens lol

>>20579143
They complain about boomers all the time. There are always threads about how they've had arguments with their parents cos their parents don't believe the twin towers were just mist farted out of the arses of Jews or whatever bollocks they believe now.

>>20579138
Thanks, I feel that corroborates with my general impression. I was going to read it before I read Demons by Dostoevsky (which I was either going to read afterwards, after considering reading "What is to be Done?" out of the historical chain, and maybe rereading "Notes from Underground" before I get to Demons.) I was really looking forward to it, because the parallel is obviously massive today!

>>20578788
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>>20578661
>duh duh duh duh
You are all stupid. Women get angry at men who don't worship them with unquestioning servility. Goethe and Turgenev are MEN. They don't explicitly disparage women (which would validate them through "sour grapes' rationalization) but rather imply, subtly and unconsciously, through their writing that women aren't worth two gobs of spit. This is picked up by the fembrain, which becomes extremely agitated.
As a man you should know this already. You all disgust me.

>>20579274
how many women do you think have read ayn rand or turgenev?

>>20579275
I wasn't talking about Ayn Rand you frothing subhuman shit-stain. I would assume that many women have read Turgenev. Those women who were raised at least somewhat properly have subconscious "inhibitions" and so have no explicit negative reaction beyond the disinterest and neglect typical of females towards masculine subjects. Those women who have been raised to EMBRACE their female neuroses have NO INHIBITIONS and so react very negatively to non-validating stimuli as you can clearly see.

>>20579138
>>20579143
I hate my parents cause they strived to provide me an expensive education and a life in the West instead of leaving me in our le trad shithole full of violent unprincipled retards who are in the end much more respectable than any tamed Western dog
I'm sincerely convinced the average coffee-sipping beer-swilling Bulgarian porch monkey is better off than I am in my Westoid intellectual hellhole, and even their EUropoid larpers can take the conditions of our illiberal society for granted and pretend to be enlightened all while they moan about gypsies and the reactionary slavic nations
When necessary, I will toss them in the blackest grimiest retirement home I can find

>>20579280
>I would assume that many women have read Turgenev.
there is not a single demographic where you could say "many" of them have read Turgenev, you nitwit

>>20579283
What about Russian literature enthusiasts? You're so stupid it's physically painful. I respect myself less for even responding to you.

>>20579138
>/pol/ chuds who hate their parents because they don't know about the latest loony conspiracy theory involving Jews.
Lol wut? I think you need to get off the internet pal.

>>20579286
I'm
>not that anon
but I'm glad I decreased your level of self respect in some fashion

>>20579293
Don't be, I had none to begin with.

>>20579297
You should have some at least. You're clearly literate, which is more than can be said for the average /lit/poster in the current year
Chin up, buddy. But not too high because your opinions are still bad and wrong

>>20579280
>>20579288
I can't believe someone this stupid has the audacity to call somebody else dumb.

>>20579307
Elaborate.

>>20579138
What's you view on Demons by Dostoevsky? I found two books to be similar thematically, they both touch on Nihilism, both show young people get swept up in ideology, both critique older generation of that time and younger one.
And while Turgenev is calm, steady, almost clinical in his approach(contrary to his supposed counterpart in Demons) and a lot more objective, subtle and neutral, Dostoevsky goes much more harder, wilder, grimmer and hits his view with a sledgehammer into reader.
Former also spends considerable time 'painting' nature, while latter focuses more on landscape of ideas and characters.

>>20578797
Only liberals and redditors read Ayn Rand

>>20578721
>Lolita and foucault

>>20579281
Ungrateful brat

>>20579288
See
>>20579281

>>20578655
If someone think Fathers and Sons being a favorite book is a warning sign, then they just warned me to not associated with them.

>>20579396
I haven't read Demons, only Crime and Punishment and his short stories/novellas. Will have to give it a read. From what I've read I feel a greater affection for Turgenev than Dostoevsky, but still think the latter is brilliant.

>>20579280
>subconscious "inhibitions" and so have no explicit negative reaction beyond the disinterest and neglect typical of females towards masculine subjects.
This goes both ways. If anything men are much worse

>>20579472
That's not my point. I'm explaining why a woman might read Turgenev, let's say as part of a university course or because her husband owns a copy, and not form as negative an opinion as the woman in the OP.
It's obviously reasonable that women wouldn't be interested in masculine things. To deny them this right would be to deny women possession of any unique traits or predilections.

>>20578702
Aaaaaaah in what book does this occur, steppenwolf possibly?

>>20578655
>Fathers and Sons... grrr well that certainly sounds phallocentric! grrr into the pile it goes
i cock a doodle shiggidy diggidy doo

would you date a /lit/ girl if she was a blue checkmark journalist from yale who constantly tweeted about abortion and hating the west?

Be honest.

>>20578754

>Capital of the World
>The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber
>The Killers
>One Trip Across
>The Tradesman's Return
>Fifty Grand

There you go anon, some of my favorite hemingway short stories if you want to give him a chance.

>>20578655

>>20579274
>but rather imply, subtly and unconsciously, through their writing that women aren't worth two gobs of spit.
Explain the ending of Faust Part II, then.

>>20578655
Girls don't give a fuck about what's on your shelf.
I have a whole row dedicated to German history and liberal girls will tell me how cool it is.
If they already want to fuck you could have every Rand book and they wouldn't care.

>>20579942
only if she was hot and liked the same chinese cartoons I did

>>20579942
Yeah I'm pretty desperate desu

>>20578655
Nothing is more of a warning than actively using Twitter.

>>20578890
his one of the best of all time. The only reason you haven't read him is due to faggy lit elite trying to take him down.

>>20578853
Assuming someone is a retard is not the same as being scared of them.

>>20579274
>Women get angry at men who don't worship them with unquestioning servility.
This only applies to simps.

>>20578788
Dude don't throw out a book, just put in storage, Jesus

That being said, ya Mein Kampf is a lame book, but ya don't throw it away

>>20579311
No.

>>20579942
never associate with political drones unless you have to. even the ones who you think are on 'your team' may turn on you at the most unexpected time because you went against some tribal taboo. a potential partner should have the capacity to care about you as a person more than she does about staying ahead of ideological trends.

>>20578702
>>20578702
Kek