/lit/ - Literature

best girl?
kristin, tanya, or sylvie?

>>20558990
Those book covers suck.

Assassin's Price, Imager Portfolio #11 - L.E. Modesitt Jr. (2017)

Six more years have passed. For the first time in the series the protagonist isn't an imager. They're still important to the narrative, but this is almost entirely about the dysfunction of the government and how it's reformed. That'll probably be the theme of the final book as well. There are several plot threads that are introduced and developed, but seem they won't have any payoff until the next and final book.

At first I didn't like Charyn, but by the end I came to think that he may be the best protagonist in the series. The love interest in this may have been the best, it was at least the most interesting. That may be because in some ways he has to struggle the most within his limitations and there aren't any easy solutions and almost none that could be solved by brute force.

I felt similarly about the book as a whole by the end, which surprised me. It's definitely one of the best of the series for me and I don't know what to think about that. This one doesn't have any large scale conflict unlike several of the books. It really is just about the government collapsing upon itself and what can be done about that.

I'm surprised the government even functioned at all considering how much corruption, incompetence, malfeasance, and unreasonableness was involved. As noted by the title, there are many assassination attempts, to the point where few want to be involved with anyone who may be the leader because he may well soon be dead.

The four powers are the Rex, who has a rather weak and overall ineffective central government, the Factors' Council which demands the government do everything while wanting to pay nothing, the High Council representing the aristocracy which still resents not being 1,500+ independent fiefdoms, and the Collegium of Imagers which acts as a failsafe. The interactions between the four were quite interesting for me to read.

This is a critical juncture for every aspect of their society, which makes for a rather tumultuous time. Trade becomes every more important and there are a number of scenes involving the commodity exchange. As in the third book of the series, water rights make a return. There's even talk of standard coinage. As always, the seemingly intractable circumstances of taxation must be wrangled with, this time with the introduction of a progressive tax.

The series overall is just fun to read. This is the penultimate book, which after this eleventh book is both relieving and mildly disappointing. I would have liked one more subseries that takes place after the first trilogy, but it doesn't seem that's to be. I would have also preferred the series overall to be more like this book. I didn't enjoy the wars as much as I thought I might, though I did expect to have liked the rest more by comparison.

Rating: 4/5

Recommend books released in the 2020s

>>20559004
Dude shut the fuck up

>>20559004
Endgames, Imager Portfolio #12 - L.E. Modesitt Jr. (2019)

The final book of the series began a couple months later. Charyn was the protagonist once again. I may have been simply oblivious, but the bulk of the protagonist's behavior in this is political. In some ways he's little more than a narrative device than to explore political ideals and aside from a few other matters becomes nearly an entirely political being. That also included his courtship, but she was into that. Maybe I didn't notice as much since I was almost entirely in agreement with what he wanted to do, within the context of the world.

The primary subject this time was labor relations. There was a version of the Luddites, which were a labor movement rather than being anti-technology, despite the latter being the dominant narrative. Religious reformation was a secondary subject and had similarities to Martin Luther's ninety-five theses. There's also more and more about tax policy.

Many topics were discussed, some of which were: price controls, water pollution, consumer protection, anti-dumping duty, minimum wage, auditing, tax evasion, news media, child labor, workweek hours, inequality, exploitation, economic violence, industrialization and steam engines. There's considerably more than that, but the ideas involved in several of these are oft repeated, the repetitiveness of which I noticed more this time. Issues are rarely solved the first time they are discussed though.

I greatly appreciated the epilogue as it was the kind I preferred at the end of a series. Overall this was an enjoyable series, though it certainly had times where I found it lacking. Its primary purpose was to be a fun read, though these last two books changed that somewhat to be very more about exploration of ideas relative to the series of the whole. I would've preferred it if the entire series was more similar to them.

Rating: 4/5

>>20559009
How dare he discuss books he's read in a book reading thread. Fuckin' tell him, /b/ro!

>>20559017
No one asked for him to post multiple 500 word reviews. That's not a discussion. Go post that shit on your blog.

>>20559018
Return to whichever social-aggregate you spawned from if you cannot tolerate people discussing books on a book-discussion forum.

>>20559009
>>20559018
>reeee why are people actually reading books
Nobody asked and nobody cares what you think, whiny ass fag

Anyway, anyone read the Native Tongue books?
Seems like an interesting premise

>>20559045
>Set in the twenty-second century, the novel tells of a world where women are once again property, denied civil rights and banned from public life. Earth's wealth depends on interplanetary commerce with alien races, and linguists--a small, clannish group of families--have become the ruling elite by controlling all interplanetary communication. Their women are used to breed perfect translators for all the galaxies' languages.

Let's have a REAL long form discussion.

Would Kellhus achieve world domination if he was living in this world? how long would it take for the Dunyains to achieve total supremacy?

Some anon offhandedly mentioned pic related in another /sffg/ thread once and made it sound interesting. I tried it and wound up really enjoying it.

>>20559055
This has ready been discussed a few threads ago. It's one of the biggest plot holes I find with Second Apocalypse (bearing in mind i have only read the first trilogy). Why weren't the Dûnyain a world power, instead of being in a secluded monastery-fortress? You would are just as evil and deceptive as Kellhus, and look at one man's influence on the entire world, imagine an entire race's influence on the world.

the poopy war

>>20558977
There needs to be a Fantastical epic poem like The Faerie Queene. Who shall rise to the occasion?

>>20559136
We already have renowned poets in /sffg/, I'm sure they are up to the task if they want, I'm sure they would produce a better poem than the faerie queene.

jolenta's booba being splashed by the lake water but the warm sun dries the booba up nicely

>>20559341
I hate my life

>>20559341
>warm sun

>>20559164
I doubt any of them could match the sheer WEIGHTINESS of a Spenserian canto, nay, even a Spenserian stanza with an alexandrine line!

space cats

>>20559485
spacecataz

>>20559497
WHICH ONE IS THE JON RON JONALD

>>20558977
How did it go so wrong?

Is Red Rising worth the read? There's a lot of books already it feels like it just came out.

>>20559130
you've only read the first trilogy

>>20559553
It's certainly a popular YA series in any case. The only way to know is to try for yourself. You can also look to how others have felt.

>>20559502
Not to be confused with its twin ship the USS Don Jon Ronald. That ship is just an after hours club.

>>20558977
Is The Killing Star still unfindable? For the life of me I can't believe it's never been reprinted. I heard one of the authors had some issues with possibly making shit up for a nonfiction book about Hiroshima, but I'm not sure if he's become a pariah of some kind so that no publishing house wants to touch his previous work.

>>20559055
No, he's basically the equivalent of an e-celeb with a silver tounge
For every retard that follows him, there would be millions more proving him wrong

>>20559680
You keep saying it's unfindable, but do you mean to pirate? It's certainly available physically from various retailers as well as in audio form. It's in many libraries as well. You can find the nearest one to you with this. https://www.worldcat.org/

I like Star Wars

>>20559797
i like star whores

>>20559485
space cats

>>20559503
it was never a pre-planned series so he just kept retconning with each book and it really shows. personally i think each book by itself is alright (specially the first two) although the third one feels more like a random adventure that just happens to be set in the ringworld

>>20558977
What are you reading and what are you planning to read?

I've almost finished The Knight. This is turning out to be my favorite fantasy novel. The story moves so fast. I feel like most fantasy writers would of made 3 books out of this.

>>20559902

>>20559900
October's Baby by Glen Cook
Gonna read the next one after, I forgot the name.

>>20559900
murderbot 5 network effect
gonna start foundation after

>>20559872
spesskots

>>20560025
>Single-handedly changed the field
>Something a lot of people didn't notice
Sounds like a cope if I've ever heard one.

>>20560025
How do you get to be as old and experienced as Cook yet still decide to name a book something as dull and mundane as 'Darkwar'?

>>20559900
Left: Reading. Right: Planning to read next.

It's okay. I wish Sanderson would learn to come to the point and trust in the ability of his readers to connect the dots instead of re-explaining the same setting and history details like he'd try to emulate John Norman. We get it, you're in love with your setting. Now shut up and let us get into the action.

>been reading the same series for over a month
>only 250 pages left
>tfw both want it to keep going and to end so i can read something else

>>20559900
Reading the last book of Dragonlance Chronicles, soon finished. Next up is probably either Mistborn trilogy or my first Bernard Cornwell book: Azincourt.

>>20559680
There's no digital text version, pirated or otherwise. The audiobook is easy to find. Book sucks, though.

>>20560083
Me when I started reading the Cosmere and I'm down to Rhythm of War.

>>20560060
by having a shitty editor

>>20559016
I've never read this author but I've had them on my list of things to investigate. Can you give me a QRD on Imager Portfolio as a series in general? Also Recluce, if you've read it, I'm pretty sure that's by the same author.

>>20559902
>>20559907
Be sure to read the Wizard as well, they aren't really separate books, they're two integral parts of the same story, sort of like how you can't really read Fellowship of the Ring without The Two Towers or Return of the King
I was a tad disappointed with the Wizard Knight in general, though Gene Wolfe is a compelling writer, I'm not particularly interesting in picking up anything else he's done after this. WK was still a solid 7/10, probably an 8/10.

Did anyone read/is it any good? have it on my shelf but haven't gotten around to it yet

>>20560254
I think it's at least an 8.5. Maybe you just need a high iq to appreciate it.

>>20560293
dont start

>>20560293
8.5 at best, and that's with a high IQ. I already appreciate the Arthurian, Biblical, Grimm-collative, Robin-Hood-Balladical, and Germanic (i.e. Norse) allusions in The Wizard Knight, but the whole thing is simply not handled in as entertaining a fashion as it ought to have been, and the pacing is very poor, especially at the end when basically the entire actuation of the plot's raison d'etre occurs in the span of five pages. Wolfe may have produced a beautiful story, but he didn't stick the landing, which of course is always the hardest achievement. I expected better from an author who had been plying his trade for 30 years before writing this book, but I was pleased that I bought it and read it.

Bakker

>>20560332
I'm really not. Gene Wolfe seems to actually be a good writer with his own style. When the book starts out the world is so mysterious. When I first opened the book I didn't expect to read more than 20 pages but ended up reading the first 100. The past few days when I go hiking I really wish I would come across a spiny orange tree.
>>20560352
I feel like the books pace is pretty fast compared to a lot of fantasy writers.

>>20560360
You're only on The Knight, right? 3/4 of the next book is spent retreading the last half of The Knight; you know, the whole business of the Giant King in Jotunheim and trying to ally their kingdom with King Arthu- I mean King Arnthor? Now the attempt to gain the giants' alliance (which is in actuality a spiritual quest to redeem the souls of the Nephilim/Enakim back to the will of the Most High God, which is of course a reference to Hebrew Elohim/Adonai/Sabaoth, but enough of that) is the primary personal conflict of the novel and therefore understandable that a lot of time is devoted to it. But that's finally solved after much mucking about but the conflict abruptly changes to something completely unforeseen and unattached to what you thought was going to be the point of the story in the last 50 pages. So it slows down to a glacial pace for about 600 pages then speeds along to wrap everything up in the blink of an eye. That said, the parts involving the appearance of Satan- I mean Suttungr- I mean Seth- I mean Setr are always welcome.

>>20560396
Yeah thanks for spoiling it, faggot.

>>20560407
I didn't spoil anything. Does it really spoil the plot of the novel to say the plot is resolved in the novel? I didn't say how. Those analyses of mine are easily construed merely from the point of where you're at.

>>20560437
I haven't finished it. I'm on the last 40 pages right now. Plus I didn't know Satan showed up. How is that not a spoiler?

>>20560407
>spolers from eighteen years ago

>>20560254
The first part of Wolfe's career is stronger than the second, not that that stuff is like Wizard Knight. I've read some of his later stuff too and it's good, it's just not as inspired as Fifth Head of Cerberus. I feel like after he finished the Solar Cycle he rested on his laurels somewhat, maybe rightfully so.
I still need to read Wizard Knight, I haven't been able to read as much the last month as I have been the rest of the year. :(

>>20560459
Probably before you were born. It might seem like a long time ago to you, but it's really not.

>>20560454
bro you meet Setr like 1/3 of the way through the first book, when Able is on the boat with the one-eyed guy, what are you talking about

>>20560484
It doesn't say he's Satan though. I kinda got that idea but I didn't know he was actually Satan.

>>20560495
He tells you he's the evil dragon brother of Arnthor and Morcaine (Morgan le Fey) that demands Able's fealty and soul and is going to fight and kill God and rule the multiverse, and he also appears as the dragon in the 8th level of Hell/Niflheim, just because the book never actually calls him "Satan" by name it's not exactly subtle
The Suttungr and Seth references also probably flew straight over your head, Gene Wolfe's writing is many-layered like onion-ogres in Shrek.

I WILL kill bakkerposter. You WILL die.

>>20560495
Like I said I got the idea. I didn't realize all of that. I thought you meant like literally a red guy with goat horns called Satan was going to be in the book.

>>20560552
Oh no no no no don't look at it like that, I'm not talking about hollywood tropes I'm talking about spiritual truths and parallels ("as above, so below" and all that), of which Able is himself a painfully obvious one. I mean, I don't think I'm spoiling anybody here by saying that Aslan in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is a stand-in for Jesus.

>>20560571
>I mean, I don't think I'm spoiling anybody here by saying that Aslan in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is a stand-in for Jesus.
You are, ctrl+s next time, you fucking moron.

I just finished Dune today and loved it so much I just ordered Messiah, Children of Dune and God Emperor. Gonna watch the 1984 alternative edition with my bro this weekend.

>>20560582
>spoiling an 80 year old book
Moses frees the Israelites from Egypt

Bakkerposting is based

>>20560638
FUCK YOU I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT PART YET!!!!!!!!!!!

>>20560639
Cring

I liked Jezal and thought Logen was cringe

>>20560649
Wait until you get to the huge plot twist just as he's about to arrive in the promised land.

>>20560697
>in the end it doesn't matter anyway because the jews are taken away in captivity by the Neo-Babylonian empire

I WANT AN AWESOME FANTAST STORY ABOUT A FUCKING ALCHEMIST/ALCHEMY AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

>>20560774
Read The Alchemist. It's funny.

Sanderson is the biggest hack in this genre.

>>20560060
Nigga loves bad title drops like you wouldn't believe.

>>20560668
Jezal was really the only "good" person (actions).
there was West but then he, you know, slapped the shit out of his sister

>>20560804
NO! I WANT FANTASY! NOT STUPID REAL WORLD SPIC SHIT

>>20560774
Full Metal Alchemist

>>20560067
I hate modern fantasy book covers so much. I remember when I was a kid I would spend a lot of time really look at book covers. Now it's mostly crap. Often they don't even bother putting any art.

>>20560083
Malazan gives me this feeling a lot as I reach the end of a book. I never want it to end, but I also would like to read something else some day please...

>>20559900
This monster is what I'm reading right now. I've been really wanting to read Book Of The New Sun, but realistically I won't start it until I'm done with Malazan.

>>20560861
Shut up, faggot. I'm serious. Fuck your anims

Frank Herbert vs Gene Wolfe. Who is the better writer?

>>20560919
Herbert. Never read any of Wolfe, don't even want to.

>>20559017
don't lie, no one here reads female authors

>>20560919
christcucks over muzzies

>>20560945
i'm reading murderbot rn nigga

>>20560919
I've only read The Wizard Knight and the first Dune novel, so I don't have a huge knowledge of their overall writing styles, but based on those two books I'd personally rank them pretty much exactly the same level of quality and enjoyment. Herbert might edge out Wolfe by a hair, but that's a purely subjective gut response, I couldn't justify my reasoning for it.

>>20560949
the Fremen weren't really Muslim

>>20560945
I read female authors. Not regularly, but if I see an book or series that looks interesting and its written by a woman I'll go for it without hestitation. I don't think I'll read any more Tanith Lee books though, didn't really care for them.

>>20560834
I think West was ultimately good; despite his fits of anger he was still remorseful. Collem had a vice for rage and Ardee had a vice for alcohol. They were just kind of a fucked up family.

>>20560668
>>20560834
>>20560967

Bayaz did nothing wrong.

>>20560945
My next read is going to be Chronicles of Morgaine.

>>20559130
Because the only reason they developed that way in the first place is that the dunyain secluded themselves. They don't generally care about real world affairs, they're off grappling with retarded metaphysics humans are too dumb to understand and shit.

>>20560060
You fall in love with your book while writing it and delude yourself.

>>20560962
>I read female authors. Not regularly, but if I see an book or series that looks interesting and its written by a woman I'll go for it without hestitation. I don't think I'll read any more Tanith Lee books though, didn't really care for them
Are women capable of writing sff that does not focus (ot have none at all) on feelings, close relationships and sex? Can they write a character and story that is not motivated by any of those things but something like cold logic or some some type of obsession or conviction like greed, religion/belief, duty etc basically something that has nothing to do with other people on personal level?

>>20561051
yeah that's basically what Tanith Lee is all about
The Birthgrave is about a cold apathetic alien master race demigod woman who everybody wants to fuck but she feels basically nothing for anybody because they are all literal barbarian untermenschen (not even real humans); the only thing she cares about is overcoming this post-hypnotic suggestion that gave her amnesia, so she wants to find out who and what she is and this is only unveiled at the end of the story
There's also Madeleine l'Engle, who wrote a variety of SF/fantasy fiction, most famously the Wrinkle in Time series which, given that it's overt Christian apologetics, is not at all focused on erotic or selfish love, but is obviously going to be centered around empathy.
I read a portal fantasy by Holly Lisle called "Minerva Wakes", in which the protagonist - a woman with a cheating husband she hates - enters a fantasy world that wants her power because she's a chosen one, but she doesn't give a single fuck about any of the fantasy world characters' problems because they kidnapped her kids to lure her there so she tells them to fuck off and kills them whenever they get in the way between her and her mission to rescue her children.
Mercedes Lackey's Obsidian Trilogy is nice, a bit underwhelming, and largely conventional, but overall a well-crafted epic-fantasy setting. Bears great resemblance to Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn series, but vastly better in almost every way.

I think that's all the female authors' I've read that do fantasy, at least the one's whose books I didn't immediately throw away after reading.

>>20561051
The only fantasy book I've ready by a woman was The Assasin's Apprentice. It was so boring and slow that I sometimes forget that I ever read it. I honestly don't understand what anyone can see in that book. It's one of those "everything is dark and everyone is evil" sort of books.

>>20561001
>"Power makes all things right. That is my first law, and my last. That is the only law that I acknowledge."
>Aka "Cope, L+ratio, seethe, you fell off etc"

>>20561151
>You cost me six marks. She wanted twenty, but I drive a hard bargain

>>20561001
>>20561151
>Valint and Balk, I presume?
I felt like such a retard for not getting this earlier

>>20560834
His sister was a puerile bitch. West got stressed from hard-carrying his entire fucking family and looking after thousands of lives.

>>20560639
Truth Shines

cradle bros..... 13 days...

cripl x alcoholic is the best love story ever told

>>20559018
I wouldn't even really call them "reviews" even, desu.

>>20559900
Second book in pic related series. I red the Magician trilogy by Raymond Feist and it got me in the mood for 70s-80s fantasy. You know, stuff that was written before everything tried to be ASOIAF and started talking about shit and piss every other sentence. It's okay, but I preferred Magician.

Anyone got some decent early-days fantasy to recommend?

>>20561379
>Red
*Read. I'm a fucking retard.

I read GoT and I felt kinda bland. Verylow-fantasy political drama with occasional gore, tits and food descriptions. Also, I got spoiled for the following books. Those bastards a THICC! That shit is twice as long as the Bible but the fun stuff density is 5 times lower. Is GRRM a graphomaniac or something? I don't think I like the series, but a strange demon in my head is urging me to read on.

>>20560240
You can see what I've written about the 12 books here.
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=portfolio&search_tripcode=sffg&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

If that's too much, here's an overview of all 12 books:
Subseries 1: An explanation of what Imagers are, focused on the daily life of a guy discovering that he is one and his training to be one over the course of some years. First book is magic school, second is the justice system, and third is more about the government. The protagonist doesn't overly mind murdering those who cause him problems.

Subseries 2: Several 100s of years in the past. An Imager wants to have his ruler conquer the entire continent so that Imagers have a place to live without being persecuted. He doesn't care how many have to die to achieve this or what has to be sacrificed. His personal body count by the end of the series is exceedingly high, though it's mostly from a few climatic scenes. The latter books are almost entirely war.

Subseries 3: 100s of years after subseries 2. The Imagers and society must be reformed and the protagonist has no qualms about murdering whomever he needs to do accomplish that. Civil War happens. That's the first two books. The latter two books are posted in this thread and are about reforming the government and ruling.

>>20561375
I write them and I don't call them "reviews" here either, because they aren't.

Read Cradle

>>20560774
What do you even mean by alchemy?

>>20561561
Yes im waiting for dreadgod july 5

>>20561528
Is that as edgy as it sounds or is that merely an artifact of massively shortening the synopsis for my sake? Also thanks for linking your archived posts

>>20561379
Urshurak if you can find it, but it is a bit shallow
Belgariad/Malloreon and Elenium/Tamuli by David Eddings certainly, those sound right up your alley
Stephen Lawhead is more 80s-90s but I'd never call him GRRM-adjacent
Are you a fan of Star Wars? A lot of their EU books have that vibe but they're science fiction of course
Gordon R. Dickson's Dragon Knight series might interest you, though it's rather low-stakes and light-hearted, nothing like Memory Sorrow Thorn
I started the first book in Terry Brooks' Landover series, and I liked it, but I'm not entirely sure I want to continue reading the series

>>20561596
I didn't really see it as edgy, except maybe somewhat the first subseries. I wrote my thoughts about that. It does somewhat contrast with the rest. As for the second, that depends on how you feel about war I suppose. Is carpet bombing edgy or nuking Japan? Basically a lot of people dying all at once. Stuff like that. For the last and somewhat the first, is the CIA/FBI edgy? Maybe, I guess it depends.

>>20561643
I read your longer reviews and it sounds very much like that *unsheathes katana* neckbeard copypasta which is very much not my cup of tea, so I sincerely thank you for saving me from potentially wasting a lot of my time and money on a bunch of shitty books. Maybe his Recluce series is better.

>>20561436
OK, so should I continue reading?

I finally got around to reading pic related after seeing it hyped up by /sffg/ for like two years. According to Kindle, I am 40% of the way through and Jesus Christ is it fucking boring.

The first two PoV characters were fairly interesting, but for well over a hundred and 25 pages at this point it's been nothing but politicking about the Holy War. When the fuck does the actual plot start to move again?

>>20558977
Does anyone remember this series? I had a couple of them when I was a kid and I remember not liking them very much. I just liked it because of those holographic covers.

>>20561712
I don't think any of his books are that different.

>>20561742
Cover art is kinda hard. I remember the story being pretty bad though. I think scholastic intended this to be their next animorphs but it never really catched on (not as far as I could tell at the time)

>>20559553
I'm currently reading the series. Writing is weak and you can see plot twists a mile away but I still enjoying them. The characters are great and it has nice world building. His writing does improve by book 4. Books 4 and 5 are way better than the first three but if you don't enjoy the second book then the series isn't for you.

>>20559641
It's not YA

>>20561786
YA is marketing term, not a content descriptor. If it's advertised and sold as such, then it is. It's not any different some people claiming "this is too good to be genre fiction!"

>>20561726
I would think pretty soon, there is a large change of pace when the actual war starts to move
uhhhh,, wait, I recall now, that's in the next book
oh

>>20560587
Congratulations, anon. I hope you will enjoy the rest! It only gets better from here.
>>20560919
Having read entire Dune series and Books of New and Long Sun, I can only say I greatly prefer Wolfe's writing style. His greatest advantage over Herbert is that he wrote his series in a bulk. There are many years between first four Dune books, so Herbert's style is all over the place. Sadly, only the last two novels actually feel like they go hand in hand. On the other hand, Herbert makes all of his characters' intentions clear. Wolfe's narration is focused only on his protagonists' point of view, so his readers have to come to many conclusions by themselves.
My favorite Dune books were Messiah and God Emperor not because they were so good, but because they left me wanting for more. Wolfe's Book of the New Sun delivered everything I wanted from Dune and much more.

Imagine getting filtered by fucking Neuromancer of all things

>>20561856
Neuromancer was boring shit though.
I don't care for the implied message.

>>20561872
Imagine getting filtered by fucking Neuromancer of all things

>>20561284
It was good when the mc was weak

>>20561920
>>20561856
Is that any different from saying "It's unacceptable that you dislike what I like."

>>20561805
I have only seen it advertised as Adult. I only wanted to clarify to anon that the saga is not YA especially the last two books.

>>20561934
Yes, if your main criticism was that "it was boring" and "I didn't understand the worldbuilding" then you were probably not paying attention to the book and were just skimming over it waiting for some action scenes to show up or for the author to explain some element of his world in a two paragraph dump like Sanderson does.

>>20561920
>if I like some and you don't, it means you were filtered
okay.jpeg

>>20561947
Ok, but why do you seek these opinions out to seethe over and to present to others?

>>20561962
where's the seething? everyone is laughing at the brainlet who thought the book was boring

>>20561984
So the purpose was to draw attention to them for the purpose of public humiliation? Alright then.

>>20561989
is this your first day? how did you become to be such a tremendous faggot

>>20561856
He's not entirely wrong. Molly and Finn are the standout characters in Neuromancer. Case is a wet blanket. All of the stuff with the Rastas was outright silly. The later Sprawl books got a lot better with character writing.

>>20561856
>There's no world building
>The author just uses foreign and made up terms and expects you to catch on
sounds like they don't understand world building

>>20559053
I have taken shits that sound more appealing than what I just read from that.

Sure it might be a cool idea to explore a secret language that is brought about by slaves basically trying to get freedom, but that's like the equivalent of the astronavigators from Dune or 40k but now it's feminism flavored instead

>>20561243
nice HRTitties

>>20562033
hormone titties are rad

>>20562008
I agree, senpai. Idioodid who get síaður by užsienio words don't understand the true essence of vutumbuluxi. Trust in the author, it's all keikaku doori. I for one can't help but go kikeriki whenever I see made up words, like VIMULIZIX, GERIBIRU, and LYZATHARIS. They really enhance my reading experience.

>>20562057
I know you're trying to make a point but as far as made up words go, Neuromancer actually has very few and is nowhere near as bad as some fantasy novels; you can pick up what most of the things are just from context clues but again that would depend on how much attention you're actually paying to the book

>>20561856
How do you get lost in Neuromancer's plot? It's a jumped up heist movie.

>>20558977
What are some hidden litrpg gems? Prefer reincarnation but its rare and god forbid vr with its no stakes scenarios.

>>20562032
>but that's like the equivalent of the astronavigators from Dune or 40k but now it's feminism flavored instead
Astrovaginators?

>>20562111
Reincarnation isn't rare at all, at least in Japanese works.

>>20562125
space pussy is wild bro

>>20562111

>>20560060
>write a short story for a magazine to pay the bills in 1982
>a few years later make a trilogy based on that story
>25 years later it's collected in one book with the title of the original short story

>>20562149
are any of these actually good?

>>20562246
Look at a cover that interests you, then check the blurb on goodreads to see if you would like it.
Don't you know how to take recommendations?

A-aviendha best girl?

>>20562252
i'd rather have an anon actually vouch for one of the series than look at shitty cover art and a marketing blurb

>>20562149
I don't want fucking litRPGs, tell me which of those are "isekai"/portal fantasy

>>20562275
The more I work through titles on that list, the shittier it comes off. Half of these aren't isekai or gamelit. Defiance of the Fall was trash, Menocht Loop was trash...

Can only earnestly recommend Dungeon Crawler Carl or Ascend Online to you but neither deal with reincarnation directly. With Ascend Online the characters are opting into a new world and reality. Dungeon Crawler Carl is a post-apocalyptic television show where every major structure on Earth suddenly collapses, forming a subterranean dungeon. Shockingly, neither title is on this list.

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>>20562308
I've read DCC and actually enjoyed it quite a bit, it's pretty fun in a Saturday morning cartoon kinda way.

I'll check out Ascend online, thanks anon

>>20562293
Magicians and Wizard Knight are the only ones I know for sure. Imajica kinda.

>>20562293
>What are some hidden litrpg gems?
>I don't want fucking litRPGs
Make up your mind fagget, or neck yourself.

>>20562308
I recently started DCC only because a friend said it was decent, after we got caught up on books and I told him about it being mentioned here. Does the humor stay hit or miss the entire time? I'm not going to like the lootboxes or their contents either, I can see that already. And the cat will probably be useless. I do think Carl is okay. I'm maybe 7 chapters in. I would have preferred Cultivating Carl.

>>20562341
Dungeon crawler carl is shit. The author stretched a joke beyond breaking. It's unfunny shit for faggots who think cats maiming you is cute.