/lit/ - Literature

>>20561526
>never actually fought in a war
>he doesn’t know

>>20561541
being a nurse does not equal fighting in war

Chuds are all chickenhawks. Look at Spergler as well. He was too disabled to fight in Ww1 so he lived by pretending he was some Carlylean great man prophet. Reminder he said the ideal political system would be rule by historians, lol.

>>20561526
Nietzche was a pussy. You should read Lenin - at least he fought for something other than for the rights of aristocrats to pillage people like Nietzsche does.

>>20561569
Nietzsche was indeed a fucking bitch and he died like one

>>20561569
I am going to desecrate Lenin's body

>>20561569
>>20561576
B-b-b-BASED. Lenin was the true ubermensch. He imposed his vision on reality, the impact of which can be seen even today. Nietzsche didn’t do shit and died as a lonely old man.

>>20561569
You don't understand what he meant by "aristocrat"

>>20561526
What's with yours?

>>20561569
based
t.despise everything lenin created

>>20561526
>>War is... LE GOOD
"And if ye cannot be saints of knowledge, then, I pray you, be at least its warriors. They are the companions and forerunners of such saintship."

>>20561526
It's no wonder all the LARPers gravitate to him

>>20561554
Neechay was one of yours, a degeneracy-loving zionist soiboi.

>>20561526
Nietzsche conducted spiritual warfare

>>20561526
This is honestly the most edgy thing I've read by him, which says a lot. It would actually kind of make sense coming from a war lord, like Kurtz, but not from an incel.

>>20561569
> at least he fought for something other than for the rights of aristocrats to pillage people like Nietzsche does.
So he fought for that, but only for him and his cronies to do that. Gotcha.

i was going to wait and see how long it would take for someone to point out that OP misinterpreted the quote and that's not what Nietzsche is saying, but this is insufferable.
/lit/ is fucked lol

>>20561839
Dilate. Now this thread is used to shit on lenin

>>20561554
>ideal political system would be rule by historians
objectively true

>>20561839
>>20561721

>>20561554
>>20561860
imagine a political system of rule by /his/torians

>>20561552
>Wounded in battle.
>A battle with his saddle.
Yee haw!!!

>>20561526
Reminds me of the time it was revealed Faulkner LARPed as a veteran despite never serving in the military and when people called him out with his fake limp + cane, he would invariably ask, "were you there to prove I was not?" (something along those lines but obviously more clever)

>>20561839
when it comes to Nietzsche this board is absolutely retarded

>>20561839
Why does 95% of Nietzsche simping boil down to “you just don’t understand him bro”?

I’m starting to think that maybe if nobody understands what the fuck Nietzsche is talking about at any given point that maybe he’s just an incoherent babbling dipshit.

>>20561975
utopia

>>20561526
flouride on the water
drank too much hfcs
never made friends
browsed /pol/ 8 hours a day

>>20562060
he is an incoherent babbling dipshit, all philosophers are

>>20561526
Okay, but the greatest technological and artistic developments of the 20th century were fueled by the two world wars, so he has a point.

>>20562060
I mean, he contradicts himself a lot of times...
But I think that is not so uncommon in philosophy

>>20561569
Lenin fought for the the rights to become a pillaging aristocrat himself.

>>20562060
Seriously. Niet fags just say “you le didn't understand him lol” whenever someone disagrees. Just like Marxists.

>>20562200
Doesn't get much more aristocratic than that.

>>20562201
There is a lot to comment on Marx and Niet... and it is funny that the majority of their works are also critiques. The problem is that generally speaking a lot of people that try to critique the works of this historical figures tend to runaway from the most crucial task.. Reading and understanding them

>>20561526
Not everyone who fights in a war is a warrior, and some people who don't are. Not hard to understand.

>>20562201
You still don't know what he means by "aristocrat". It's clear by how you contrast him with Lenin that you think he's referring to the political class. He isn't. And you should stop assuming people are lying when they tell you that you misunderstand one of the most the celebrated philosophers of all time, instead of flattering yourself that you simply know better than him and everyone else.

>>20562278
Nietzsche was a proto-fascist, neo nazi chud

>>20562278
>muh SPIRITUAL ARISTOCRACY
Biggest fucking cope ever. No “spiritual aristocrats” have ever changed the world.

>>20562300
?? The entire point is that the people who have changed the world are spiritual aristocrats. That's why they were able to, and is what distinguishes them. I have no idea what you think "spiritual aristocrats" means, but you don't get it either.

>>20562334
No it’s pretty clear. Lenin had master morality. I thought you were trying to detach morality and changing the world.

>>20562300
>>20562334
im a spiritual aristocrat! and an indigo child to boot!

Never read Nietzsche but isn't he basically saying war can be used to justify anything? Which is not entirely wrong or edgy, unless he's advocating for it I suppose.

>>20562334
"spiritual" is a poor word to use in reference to Nietzsche. A better term is "intellectual" or "psychological" in order to better drive home his point that there is no aspect of the soul separate from the physical body.

> You say a good cause justifies any war; but I say a good war justifies any cause.

>>20562345
I'm a midwit who seethes at the idea of exceptional people!

>>20562465
just like me fr fr no cap

>>20561526
Russell was right about Nietzsche being a LARPer.

>>20562498
>Russell was right
kek

Now i'm not an expert neither have i read ALL of his work but it's safe to assume that everyone in this thread is a fucking moron. There's a very good sense he's not even talking about literal "war" here.

Take this paragraph from Twilight of the Idols for instance. Anyone could take that one highlighted part, take it out of context as a quote, and say Nietzsche was just some kind of le evil edgelord. Now go ahead and read the whole text. See, retard? You are a fucking baboon.

>>20562921
>sense
Chance. I fucked up.

>>20562921
Nietzsche does constantly say war is a good thing tho

>>20562975
Well most of his entire philosophy is based around the fact that strength is good, that the most valuable type of man is one who can endure suffering and strive for achieving power and all that stuff, so i don't doubt that he actually did. I'd really appreciate if you'd quote some passages on this tho.

>>20561975
lmao

>>20561554

>>20562060
Because (You) do not understand him.

>>20561770
It's pronounced Nee-t'sch(e) you effin' coom-brained zoomer...

>>20563003
He doesn't seem to be advocating for literal war here. Seems like he's talking about battles of different views, opinions.

>>20561781
No one read N. don't even try.

>>20561580
Good luck with that faggot

>>20563003
>wage your war and for your thoughts
Bewildering grammar.

>>20563023
It's Nee-tz-sche you english speaking faggot

>>20561590
The Roman, the blonde haired beast, etc. (his words)

>>20561526
You're looking at it through 2022 eyes - this attitude was pretty common before world war ptsd showed everyone how retarded it is.

>>20561590
The blonde haired beast is a reference to a lion you pleb.

>>20562300
The examples he gives are Jesus, Napoleon and Goethe. And Wagner before he retconned. Really going to argue that they never changed the world?

>>20561788
You probably dont know what he means by that. And to your young eyes that lack knowledge about the world it just looks like a statement someone would say to try and appear cool.

>>20561580
Based

>>20562357
I don't know but yeah that sounds reasonable.

>>20562060
nietzsche is easy to understand. people say otherwise because they dont like his conclusions.

there is not much ambiguity in his genealogy of morals for instance. but what he says in it goes against a lot of sacred moral principles even today. so people accuse you of "misreading him" even when you just say what he said.

>>20563014
Genuinely think this leftist and rightists shit regressed intellectualism to the point of no return. It's not like people weren't critiquing rationality for hundreds of years.

>>20563775
>er sagte das auf Englisch

>>20561526
>>20561552
>imagine being unaware of the contemporary german university dueling culture

If you don't understand why or how to send others to fight and die for you then find another interest besides politics.

>>20564416
pretty boys past-time is no warrior thingy

Ernst junger said the same thing, he got shot over a dozen times and was a massive fan of the N-man. What now you spineless fag?

>>20565211
your post reminds me of those feeble vegans that post pics of vegan weightlifters online

>>20561526
300 years later and Nietzsche still makes trannies seethe. You make this thread everyday.

>>20565323
you sound fat

>>20561569
>Nietzche was a pussy. You should read Lenin

>>20561818
>>20562200
Lenin didn't actually fight anything, he was literally a state sponsored saboteur by the German government. The fact the whole communism thing accidentally took off and actually destroyed Germany 20 years after his death is one of history's greatest ironies.

>>20561587
Stop samefagging

>>20561580
Based as fuck

>>20565211
Calling the philosopher Fredrich Nietzsche "the N-man" is pretty cringe, honestly, and Ernst Junger speaks disparagingly of him plenty, calling him old gunpowder head, which is almost as cringe.

>>20565906
I don't think I've ever seen less than 3 Nietzsche threads in the catalog at any one time, and this despite the fact this board is entirely full of either Communist or Christian larpers both of which while completely anathema to Nietzsche seem to be wholly obsessed with him. It is truly strange to behold until you actually bother to read some of these threads and realize no one here actually reads and most posters genuinely understand Nietzsche worse than those who have never heard of him, the excellent posts in this very thread demonstrate as much.

>>20561569
Here comes that one tranny who spergs about fascism (and those with vaguely fashy ties like Nietzsche) again to shill for Communism.

>>20561580
You can do it anon!

>>20567035
fake news

N was a medical orderly in the Franco Prussian war. He couldn’t stand the sight of blood, and he fell off his horse, ruining his health.

>>20562060
You don't understand him.

>>20562201
You also don't understand him.

He was a cunt, that’s what.

>>20563014
For a mathematician, Ted K had a rather narrow worldview if he can classify people simply as 'leftists' and 'rightists'.

>>20564879
>pretty boys

>>20563723
>translation
Retard.

>>20562200
Pretty based

>>20563942
The introductions to his books by academics are actually pretty good in that they don't bother denying it. Instead they cope by trying to assert that his writing is still valuable just for making you think, even if you disagree with it (which is not wrong).

>>20561860
i want this

>>20561587
Except if you ever touch anything philosophical you will run into Nietzche. Also the meme quotes Nietzche has. Of course this is nothing compared to the brain damage and deaths Lenin inspired in this world.

>>20561860
>>20571241

>>20561526
THANK YOU LIT! Every time you make a thread about this guy you somehow make me and likely other people agree with more of his points. So please keep seething and make more of these threads!

>>20571248
>Except if you ever touch anything philosophical you will run into Nietzche.
You can ignore him pretty easily. None of his ideas are new and the only thing he really offers is biting prose.

>>20571248
>>20571266
Nietzsche also, to my knowledge does not propose any way to run a state. Something a 'philosopher' should be able to do without breaking a sweat.

>>20571266
Nietzsche has influenced philosophers such as Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre,[320] Oswald Spengler,[321] George Grant,[322] Emil Cioran,[323] Albert Camus, Ayn Rand,[324] Jacques Derrida,[325] Sarah Kofman,[326] Leo Strauss,[327] Max Scheler, Michel Foucault,[328] Bernard Williams,[329] and Nick Land.[330]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzsche#Reception_and_legacy

Will you also ignore them? You would have to purposely try to avoid Nietzsche if you are studying philosophy.

>>20571279
Who told you this? You can be an excellent philosopher without needing to propose a way to run a state. Also I highly doubt he never once in his career proposed a way to run a state.

>>20571313
His influence has no bearing on whether he is a good philosopher or not, and the people you are listed are not even good. A lot of the people you listed are not even philosophers. In fact 99% of the time, academic philosophy is complete bullshit because sitting in a university desk all comfortable is not enough to offer a full breath of experience and puts you in no position to prescribe a way of life when all you know is sitting on a desk.
>Who told you this?
This is my opinion.
>You can be an excellent philosopher without needing to propose a way to run a state.
If you cannot propose a way to run a state you are a moron, in my view.
>Also I highly doubt he never once in his career proposed a way to run a state.
He elucidated towards his ideals and wrote an essay on the greek state but he never once to my knowledgd wrote a tract about how to operate a state, a lá hegel.

>>20571382
>a lá
You get what I mean, I put the apostrophe in the wrong place. I am mobile posting.

>>20571382
It's a good thing nobody in power thinks like you because you are spewing bull shit. Your whole paragraph can be summarized by:
>This is my opinion

What I have argued is not opinionated because if you talk to any philosophy majors, they will tell you that they have encountered Nietzsche work during study.

I don't care about your warped view on academic philosophy. In the modern year academic philosophy is the only important philosophy. Academia supports philosophers with tools, often funding social experiments involving your philosophical idea, and provides more information on subjects from credited sources.

Also I don't agree that every philosopher NEEDS to tackle this problem on how to operate a state. Unless you have grand ideas that you believe aren't being discussed that would assist in state construction, the topic has been overdone. It is definitely an important topic, but not interesting to some. Nietzsche still was influential to many who picked apart his ideas to form ideal theorized states.

>>20565923
And yet he still executed all the 6’0+ Germanic aristocucks. Based as fuck. I like him even more now. Lanklets LOST, chud.

>>20571513
>It's a good thing nobody in power thinks like you
I am in power and I think like me.

>What I have argued is not opinionated
So you do not have an opinion? Why should I take you seriously then? There is nothing wrong with being opinionated and arrogant. 'Only the wisest and stupidest of men never change'.

>In the modern year academic philosophy is the only important philosophy
I do not see what modern academic philosophy has accomplished.

>Also I don't agree that every philosopher NEEDS to tackle this problem
A philosopher must be able to tackle every problem, that is what makes one a philosoher.

>the topic has been overdone
It has not actually. Very few people have proposed a state system. Very few. I can count the philosophers who did on my hands.

>>20561526
Are there books that actually talk about stuff like this? Of doing things for the sake/honor of doing it? Of doing imperialism not for riches or spoils and spices, but for the glory?
Is Life all just a struggle for existence?
How can you reconcile Nietzsche with Plato? I already feel N's criticism of Plato was weak and poor understanding of Plato.

>>20562357
Yeah, he said power is the ultimate justifier but that itself is unjustified lmao he was a lunatic

>>20568822
For someone who clearly hasn't read Ted's writings beyond a few quotes, you have a rather strong opinion on his worldview.

>>20571931
I read the entirety of ISAIF. His entire manifesto is the result of his impotence.
>technology is bad because my enemies are using it to enslave me
This is the crux of his polemic.

>>20564416
Ok, but by that account Marx was also a warrior.

>>20572368
You're either lying or have a very poor reading comprehension.

>>20572368
The trick is to forget he was a crazy stinky man who shit outside and mailed bombs to people and focus on... No wait, always remember he was a schizo murderer who shit in little holes he dug in the woods.

>>20561569
Bunkertranny

>>20572470
>You're either lying or have a very poor reading comprehension.
No, his central argument is quite literally that technology is bad because it enslaves man. What is his thesis, if not that?

It enslaves HIM, and other weaklings. No one else.

>>20572590
lol want to explain how you escape a global international systemic enslavement? do you live on a homestead in the pacific north west with your own power generator, water source, hunting and trapping land and raised bed farming system? do you have livestock? no I don't think so

>>20572630
>hunting and trapping land and raised bed farming system
This is my idea if slavery

>>20572630
Just say "I declare myself emancipated" and then you're free

>another thread for people who haven't read N to debate people who didn't understand him about whether it is based and redpilled to agree with him or not

>>20562357
that's what burgers did with Guatemala and Vietnam and many other wars

>>20565906
>300 years later

You are bad at mathematics

>>20561526
yes, war is le good. otherwise people wouldn't fight them.

>>20562201
Yeah because 90% of the people who talk about nietzsche has either read his wikipedia article (at best) or learned about him through youtubers relating him to video games and anime (at worst).

>>20561526
He is talking about beliefs and challenging yourself

>>20562007
in all directions

>>20565906
Although Nietzsche was a trannie literal.

>>20564337
>It's not like people weren't critiquing rationality for hundreds of years.
We've wasted so much time.

>>20571279
Don't you guys think the state is supposed to go away? That it's totally distinct from nature? Lol

>>20571382
Anyone who proposes how to run a state, and treats their proposal as fact, is genuinely retarded. Same goes for anyone who believes the function of a state can be distilled into text. You are genuinely mindfucked by enlightenment philosophy if you believe that is possible. Not even Plato or Aristotle did, they merely provided very basic outlines and acknowledged the basic insufficiency of them.

None of you understand Nietzsche lol. My interpretation of Nietzsche's interpretation is the only true one hahaha. Hahaha /lit/ doesn't read books, I'm the only one who does hahaha. Shit board, everyone in this place is screwed except me lol

>>20572651
retarded nigger

>>20572630
Just get a job. Stinky hippie.