/lit/ - Literature

Don't give up.
Don't allow sadness to crush your spirit.
Strive to make the art that will change it all.
Push back against the failure of culture to maintain its strength.
Drag it kicking and screaming with you, if you have to.
Feel pity if you must. Feel sadness, feel rage, feel hopeless, and feel fury. Then write.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gR_n8win2Vs

So, who made this video?

Are you supposed to only submit your work to one agent at a time?

>>20557738
yeah, unless they specify otherwise on their website.

Please tell me you guys are building an audience before releasing your book.

>>20557809
No thanks. That doesn’t make sense.

>>20557850
Sure...it's easy when you're a NEET tranny with rich parents.

Wait there are two writing generals? Does this writing general want to read my stuff >>20557699
:)

>>20557873
New here, huh?
Good thing the seething pseuds are on vacation, or in work release, or whatever.
I admire the joy in your heart...even if I can't read a word of French.

>>20557873
Sorry I don't speak Italian

>>20557870
Lmao. What I meant was I don’t understand that. If I don’t have a book finished then how would I build fans?

>we will never have a single anon finish their book
>everything is royal road chapter dumps

>>20557891
>If I don’t have a book finished then how would I build fans?
Show off your hot opinions and boobs on social media.

>>20557922
F Gardner has finished like a dozen books.

>>20557927
truly our literary master. of the 30 million anons, Gardner is the one

>>20557938
This but unironically.

>>20557667
The fire spreads to the orphanage as the children mutate into a bunch of hamburgers with limbs and a collective hivemind. Within moments, they begin to consume all matter around them, and they engulf the earth whole, forming a giant ass in outer space that will consume all until there is nothing left.

>>20558104
>Imagine the

>>20558106
Its great gift as the new god of all reality will be the most beautiful ass blast farts you could possibly imagine. It will be a fine mix of roses with rotten garbage and sulfur.

>>20557922
This is just a hobby for me, and I'm the type of person to restart 500 times until I feel it's good enough. So I will do that and have something decent to publish by 2060.

I need some advice. I am still trying to pick a writing style and I think that makes my writing slopping because it bounces around. any other advice?

>>20558313
I am a little drunk but i have revised this shit like 5 different times and it is only the introduxtion

>>20558313
Seems like you're writing this like it's a screenplay. Like you're describing stuff that's happening on camera. I don't feel it really works. Try introducing a character first or else study Tolstoy to learn how to do the omniscient 3rd person narration properly (it's really hard to pull off these days though).

>>20557673
>Day 9 editing
>Just finished locking down chapter 11
>I'm probably jinxing myself but it seems to be getting easier.
We are all gonna make it bros!

Can I get an extra set or two of eyes on this poem please?

>>20558328
Thanks anon. I was trying to potray the feeling of axniety and how fast everthing is moving around them. felt like describing it in third person would suit best.

>>20558313

>>20558340
sweet thanks anon!, my grammar skills are terrible.

I still have to cut 7 pages down to less than 4

>>20557852
>I-I'm not compromising
>I-I'm just writing to a predetermined format to just through someone else's hoop!
Such cope.
So wow.

>>20558313
Was there any particular reason why out of all the nouns in your chapter title "gods" is the only one not capitalized?

>>20558353
yes because they are not God. I am using Orthodox theology.

>>20558367
You're still using title formatting dum dum. If you're gonna capitalize 90% of the nouns and adjectives you have to capitalize 100% of them

>>20558353
I know it's a title and that I would have to capitalize it, but I am going to leave it as is.

>>20558367
It's not a good look when you can't properly format a dialogue tag and additionally choose nonstandard grammar on top of it. If you want to pull shit like that, you need to have the grammar on lock so a reader can wonder at why you chose to do that instead of just assuming it's one mistake among many, many more before summarily closing the book or document.

>>20558378
I totally agree. I never read books with that much dialogue other than the republic, so the formatting is a little difficult to work with. My friend is going to help me with the editing Mind recommending some books with some great dialogue?.

>Not a single completed chapter so far
>Haven't written new lines in 2 weeks or so.
>Too focused on re-writing the same paragraphs over and over again to get them right.

>>20558383
Are you ESL?

>>20558386
you got it anon! I am fucking drunk and writting regardless. seeing where I will get by the end of the week.

>>20558390
nope, why do you ask? Spanish is my second language, although I am terrible at it. you think that plays a role in how i type?

>>20557809
How would you even do that in the first place? Like please give me a vivid description on how one would do such a task.

>>20558418
there's a couple ways

I have a really serious problem when it comes to balancing relevant plot text and flavour text. Should I just give into my nature and write really bloated giga-chapters

>>20558438
>Should I just give into my nature
Always

>>20558335
Feel like the flow in the latter half could be improved, aside from that its cool

Sci-fi tropes you hate.

>>20558538
All of them

>>20558335
Publish this.

>>20558392
Does being drunk help your writing?

>>20558538
I almost exclusively read sci-fi and I dislike how most of them go too heavy on the info dumps and have extremely weak characterization.

>>20558636
>info dumps and have extremely weak characterization
This pretty much.

posted in the old thread by accident identify aesthetic and structural flaws in this dogshit prose of mine

>Every baptism is an attempted drowning and yours is no different. Your head meets the water and then it's not just the priest, it's the deadweight of ten thousand and one unrealized men begging you to join their fate deep in the trenches of obscurity. Not just your father and his father but his father and his father too and not to forget his father and snake up the tree for a bit next thing you know you're back at Adam and he's shaking his fist at the sky too. At that aeonically futile scale the only thing keeping you grasping for air is the part that even God couldn't get rid of (or didn't care), that prokaryotic drive to eat-and-fuck-world-be-damned still nested deep in your limbic system and deeper in your serpent-cursed heart.

>You give up the fist shaking and wait for a response. He mocks your puny life and it destroys you. The mocking is your only birthright. You cannot hold your birthright; it makes up for this in its omnipresence. He revels in the fact that each step that you take now and forever will always carry a scent of doubt and audible cowardice leaving behind a greasy trail of inadequacy. You are the slug and He is the little boy with the salt shaker leering above just about ready to kill another living thing for the first time. Of course, for Him, this would be nothing close to a first.

>In spite of this baroque misery, He forgot people like you are short-sighted enough to (quickly) forget anything that's not physically in front of them. As soon as these woes had began, you realize that after you stopped shaking your fist you now have two empty hands with nothing to grab. Yet. This optimistic development coincides with the priest finishing the trinity of his dunks, leaving you free to once again breathe sweet air. Your lungs bloat for the first time as His child. After coughing and spluttering for half a minute like a Chevy left out in a hurricane, you smile to yourself, proud that you would do pretty well as a prisoner of war. You hope this marks the start of some real change in your life, a new chapter for the man you once were fourty-three seconds ago. Fortuna spins and she spins up just for you! The priest makes a mental note to use even less force than he does on the grade-schoolers the next time someone comes in looking as sorry as you.

>>20558606
Not him, but it does in a way with a few cans/glasses AT MOST.

>>20558606
Not him, but absolutely. I regularly drink a shot or three of straight absinthe before I write when I make my first drafts. Always leads to me deviating from the outline and isn't always the most legible or well written of my stuff, but it allows me to draft out ideas and chapers really fast.

>>20557673
I have been reading and writing until I fall asleep now. I'm gonna start reading more at my desk because reading on the couch when I'm tired makes me fall asleep.

Everytime I see a retarded anon in this thread ask the same question over and over again, I add them to my story to be used as fodder.

>>20558749
It's just schizo babble. There's no character. There's no action. It's pure wank of no interest to anyone but you and perhaps not even you. It read like a very, very poor imitation of Cormac McCarthy.

Be a storyteller and not a masturbator.

I've never understood how to write compelling villains, so I use one from a popular film and rearrange some pieces so it's not that blatant.

>>20558994
I don't think that piece is any good either, but for different reasons. Characterizing as "wank" everything that doesn't minimize the writing to the point of invisibility is what's wrong with contemporary trends in literature. It didn't read like masturbation to me. It read like a very new author still experimenting and trying to find his voice.

Being a storyteller is overrated. It's common. Less common are artists, because artistry is out of vogue. What this realistically means is that when the market decides it might want to reward artists again, the "storytellers" will be shit out of luck. The attitude you're promoting is a contemporary attitude towards strictly contemporary dynamics in the "art market."

>>20557926
Sharing my opinions is why I'm banned from everywhere but here. I really don't understand how you're supposed to build an audience when the only opinions you're allowed to have are the one's everyone else has.

>>20559007
>The attitude you're promoting is a contemporary attitude towards strictly contemporary dynamics in the "art market."
You are completely incorrect on this. An artist can present moving language and a story at the same time. It's not one or the other. I'm not advocating some sort of bastardized take on literature that you'd get in a modern MFA program. I'm not a disciple of Raymond Carver or anything like that. If you want to write like McCarthy, write like McCarthy - just understand that he doesn't get lost in the weeds when he's flexing his abilities and that the story is always foremost.

>>20559022
I don't even know what your opinions are but I don't want you around here either. Maybe you're just a genuinely unpleasant person. Is that possible?

>>20559028
Maybe. You're certainly a fucking piece of shit, you fucking antisocial fucking pile of crap. Please do the world a favor and kill yourself.

>>20559026
>just understand that he doesn't get lost in the weeds
No, but he does take extended sojourns into the woods. Like old Cornelius Suttree did.
>b-but that was related to the story
It was! Point being, how do you know that—the anon whose work you're criticizing—his except wasn't related to the story? Again, I agree that it's poorly written, to be clear. But the point here is that you don't know what is or isn't relevant to a story from three paragraphs, do you? So, if this entire "masturbation" vs storytelling dichotomy, which YOU have set up, is based on what does or doesn't drive the story (I think this is post-hoc bullshit you're making up as you go, for the record), then you kind of made a pretty big leap, didn't you? Are you saying you just intuited what was and wasn't relevant to the story?

Why don't you tell us what your actual reasoning was for saying that excerpt focused on masturbation over storytelling?

>>20557667
Excellent job with the thread OP, couldn't have done it better myself. (source: anon who made the last one)

>>20559026
Christ I was just about to get Carver's short stories and hesitated. I feel so lost trying to read contemporaries because I want something fresh with new techniques and perspectives. Someone out there has soul right?

>>20558352
Seething Sanderlet must have a folder full of 150k word novels.

Setting a rough target of 90k words doesn't feel limiting to me, but as I largely discovery write it helps give me a guiding star to stay on the main plot/not meander too much. But I agree with your point not to take such limits as gospel - if I come in a bit over 100k I won't break a sweat.

>>20557922
Read Eggplant, unironically

>>20559022
There's a million literal nazi's on twitter with a following. Same with tankies. You basically cannot be banned from there unless you directly @ people and tell them to kill themselves, that they're retards, etc. Just keep your vitriol general and they simply don't care.

ISIS had twitter accounts for fuck's sake. You have no excuse.

>>20559377
What happened to the anon reviewing Boswell's book? I wanna know what he thought.

>>20559395
I dunno about that anon since he last posted but I've reviewed several and from the looks of it I'm hesitant about reading Boswell. I do wanna read something from Gaskun maybe.

>>20559385
Yeah this. Like Wilde said you either make people laugh or they will fucking kill you. Be smart and you can say whatever you want, readers with half a brain will hear you.

>>20558340
Why '"That's right," he nodded his head.' is incorrect?
t. ESL

>>20558749
actually love this. I only feel that you're too sarcastic for the grand terminology and themes you're using

Wow. An OP where the name/subject field weren’t fucked up AND there’s a link to the previous thread. I guess you retard can learn after all!
You still can’t write for shit, though.

>>20559519
Because you don't nod your head to say something, you say it. The quote and the nod are two separate things, so the quote needs a period instead of a comma.

I matched with girl on tinder who works in publishing. I half-jokyingly said "great so you can publish my future novel now :)" . She answered that it all depends on novel. I wonder should I show her my writings? I am kinda embarassed , many people dislike it, its on pretty controversial topic (not racist or misogynist but its related to drugs). I don't know, what worst an happen? She can laugh me off? Or she will advice me to kill mself? What would you do? I don't have full novel yet just first chapter

I’m reading Middlemarch and there’s pages upon pages of exposition (from the narrator) on characters’ histories, motivations, and views on other characters & situations. It’s a masterclass in “tell, don’t show.” Were writers (or readers) in the 19th century just not as sophisticated as we are today? Why should anyone read such poorly written drivel except as a lesson in how NOT to write?

>>20557667
Am I full of shit? A cursory critique will do, thank you

>>20559658
Have you edited it at all? Just share it if she wants. Good luck if you want a girl who respects your writing, I've found few. There are a couple that have expressed interest in me lately but it's so preliminary at this point. Just gonna keep beeing myself.

>>20557673
Don't you either, anon

>>20557673
Fuck you, faggot. I know you’re full of shit and I hope you’re not so stupid as to believe your own nonsense. You people have been nothing but discouraging and insulting and this shtick won’t fool anyone intelligent.

>>20559710
Sing, Goddess

>>20559675
>>20559675
Read On Naive and Sentimental Poetry by Schiller

How can you write about heroism when all of the heroes are dead?

>>20559783
Thankfully, newspapers still have an obituary section

>>20559658
no idiot holy shit

ok now six pages need to be cut down to 3
I think I'm doing fairly well

I think I'm ready to continue my Chinaman story.

>>20557673
I feel sometimes that this is directed specifically at me. The way it's evolved over its iterations seems to trace my specific struggles as an author. I won't give up, anon. I promise.

>>20559710
Feel that anger, anon. The disappointment of failure and rejection. Get called names by people who are probably just F. Gardner samefagging. Then: come back again. Welcome to the fiery crucible in which the next generation of great writers will be forged. Even if you end up being slag, skimmed off the top—even if I too end up being slag—then at least you will have played your part. Keep going, you absolute nigger. Unless you're F. Gardner, then please fucking stop.

>>20559881
Good on you for sticking to it. I know you got a lot of flak for it. Be careful on how you present it to not associate the characters too strongly with your own self but midwits will inevitably accuse you. Bradbury put up with that so much that he wrote Fahrenheit 451, that was the main inspiration was just angry feedback from his shortstories trying to shove him into both sides of an argument instead of looking at a story holistically.

>my goal of writing a book is to have as many readers as possible
>Write is a simple everyman prose
>Get relentlessly criticized for my prose being too easy
>No literary merit for easy reading
>Reviews say it's shit because it's too simple
>Now nobody is going to read it because people that are casual readers are going to avoid it from more advanced readers saying it's shit
Well that sucks.

a lot of us worry about how derivative our writing is

brando sando wrote "the reckoners". it's a story about a group of vigilantes who set out to take down some corrupt superheroes

meanwhile, seven years earlier, some guy wrote the comic series "the boys". it's a story about a group of vigilantes who set out to take down some corrupt superheroes

it makes you wonder if brando sando came up with the idea on his own, or he read "the boys" and decided he copy it.

yes, there are differences. "the reckoners" is pg13 while "the boys" is r-rated. "the boys is way more cynical. it's a different tone.

both works are very well done, imo. but i was amazed at how similar they are.

>>20560043
Workman's prose, clear structure and genre tropes are more for mass market. The audience for litfic wants better prose, structure that demand's a reader to think for himself and usually no clear answers among other features. That's how things are. Now if you write genre fiction on an incredibly topical or insightful, then li crowd may come to you anyways but dont be surprised if they point out your prose. If you do "middling" prose that has a bit of poetic flourish to it could be a nice middleground for mass market genrefiction.

Reached 70k words today. Amazing.

>>20560043
99% of genre fiction is written in simple everyman prose.
gene wolfe had artsy prose. patrick ruthfuss has artsy prose at times
hemingway is held up as an artsy writer but he has plain prose.
i think it depends on what you want. are you interested in the art of writing or are you interested in the story?

>>20560092
well done, anon
i'm at 10k last i checked

>>20560085
It's a similar story but I imagine it gets a pass because it's a different audience and voice. Even for same audiences, Many people are willing to see old stories over and over if it's in a new voice, such as different stage versions of Pinocchio or movie version of Romeo and Juliet with guns (which they call swords).

>>20560107
I sure wish half of it wasn't fragmentary passages in desperate need of connective tissue, but at least there's stuff there.

>>20560114
You should see how sloppy one of my new drafts is at over 50k. Its full of dialogue and insane rants and narratives. I will have to spend hours critiquing what I need to keep and where to expand.

>>20560125
The first draft is just raw material for the 2nd, right?

>litrpgs

>>20560100
Probably just the story, but I still need to get it out there. And casual readers rely tons on reviews from more artsy readers .

Trying to tap into the NPC hive mind buyers. Get a few that say it's so good then through word of mouth I get more sales.

>>20559858
why not? not a lot of people i can show my writings to?

>>20560178
because it's fucking pathetic. Do you not understand context?

>>20560183
what am i supposed to do now? change topic? forget about her?
i dont know man, she works in publishing, maybe she actually reads and makes critiques for a living? How i will get honest and experienced critique? From you? I dont even writie in english

>>20559710
If you care so much, write something that will make the discouragers sit down and be humble.

>>20560134
Yes it is. I try to go as fast as I can but not everyone drafts the same. Some do too much and some not enough relative to a final story but the point is you have clay to shape.

>>20560218
women hate shit like this. If you wanna exploit her and never have to hear from her again then good idea. If you want this to go anywhere DO. NOT. do it

>rejected by royal road
where do i go from here? i even made a cool cover for my book. is wattpad the next best choice?

>>20560271
what? What's the story?

>>20560271
>heavy topics
>in the first chapter
you've got to ease your readers into it for your propaganda to work, my dude

Take one look at yourself, and realize
Life's been treating you nice, better be wise
And enjoy your moment

Take one look at yourself, into your eyes
How you treated your life, it wasn't too wise
'Cause it's getting closer

>>20559664
>Were writers (or readers) in the 19th century just not as sophisticated as we are today?

Definitely not a lack of sophistication as the prose themselves are quite rich compared to most modern writers. My impression is that it's just different tastes in written fiction. "Telling" is not wrong, and "show don't tell" is the battle cry of brainlets.

My thinking is in the pre-television and video game world there was more of a market for very literal hyper-explanatory fiction, with all these new competitors however written fiction falls back more on its relative strengths of characterization and being more experiential (covers all senses).

>>20560271
scribblehub. wattpadd, unfortunately, has absolutely atrocious discoverability mechanics and no one will read your story

>>20560275
It's about a mass shooter who livestreams his shootings and always escapes to do another one. he becomes an e-celebrity and a major media company strikes a deal with him to capitlaize off his success and run ads on his stream. the government is trying to hunt him down and kill him and the media company hires their own mercenaries to protect him.

i've posted excerpts here a couple times

>>20560310
HAHAHAHAH LMAO

>>20558313
>Errors already in the chapter title
Holy ESL moly.

bros things are really gonna get better. I can feel it. We're so close

>>20560347
MMMMMMM

YOU'RE RIGHT ANON

I CAN FEEL IT

I CAN FEEL THE HOPE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M HOPING BROOSSS

>>20560292
haha good point
>>20560307
thank you hopefully they don't reject me too
>>20560316
haha yeah i've been told multiple times that it's too unmarketable. it's a satire though so hoping someone gives it a chance.

>>20560310
holy fucking based that's actually kino, I hope you get a movie deal with this because as much as people demonize shooters the fact that we cant take our eyes away shows theres something more to it.

I just dug up a file I have full of notes and in it I have written the ending of a chapter that I might not get to writing for months to come, which culminates an entire arc and it's really fucking impactful holy shit. I scared myself a little because I had forgotten it completely

>>20560310
Set it in cyberpunk. Have him have a goal beyond mass shootings.

>>20560422
yeah, dystopian government like 1984
guy attacks only military targets
it might be a little close to "v for vendetta"

>2 months
>18k words
Feels good to scroll the document and see the fruits of your labor. I don't know if it's any good, but I'm proud of it so far.

>>20560422
>guy just wants to be a vigilante but streaming services want to make money off of it.
Would say a lot about society. The society in which we live, jokerface. That could be interesting but simply being a murderer takes it to a far more ethically questionable territory that would be far more scathing of a story. I dont think anon should budge on this.

>>20560480
>18k words
>total
I have a chapter that's 13k

>>20560508
I'm trying something like Bras Cubas (or Houellechad's novels). Short chapters of 5 to 10 pages each. As a reader, I get bored with long chapters.

>>20560532
ok that's cool, but I'm more of a Tolkien/Gurm fan

>>20560317
I purposely left it like that, I guess it’s unappealing. Appalling should I say. I’m not ESL.

do you think there's any appeal in a writing style that omits half of the information to the readers and keeps them invested through internal drama that they don't fully understand?
I'm trying to avoid doing retarded lore dumps, and it appeals to me, but I don't know about other people

>>20558749
>2nd person
Dropped

>>20560707
Controlling information is an important part of storytelling. Think of exposition more as clues that the reader uses to construct a story in their heads rather than flat information they "need to know". Then you can twist the story by introducing new clues that put the old ones in a new light. This is how you create the "surprising but inevitable" ending Aristotle talks about.

>>20560707
That is the mystery genre, anon.

does this sound good?

>>20560944
>Finch and Fitcher
Names too similar, the reader will get them confused.
>lesbians
ehhhh
Other than the fact that nothing happens, it's fine.

>They overheard old men talking about their penises
"They" who? Disgusting and unbelievable simply for the sake of being disgusting unbelievable. We have old men talking about their own dicks (unbelievable) we have some business man talking into his phone right next to them, and then dogs fucking. Tasteless.

>>20560944
No

>>20561007

>"they" who...dogs fucking. Tasteless
it would make more sense with the previous section.

>>20561060
It's just ugliness writ large. Is this going anywhere?

>>20561096
yea but does it sound good. "is this going anywhere" is what a woman would say when a book doesn't explicitly explain to her plot points and character motivations.

I'm starting to do some of the prompts from Writing Fiction by Burroway, but it can be hard without any kind of evaluation. Can anyone give me any critique on how I did with this one?

>Write a paragraph using significant details and active verbs about a character who is a local psycho.

>>20561118
It sounds like misery porn for the sake of misery porn. It sounds deliberately jumbled.
>All the gardens were sprouting with flowers and all the treetops were bursting with birds and all the people knew that the year was over.
Like this, it's clearly spring with the flowers blooming and the birds chirping and then you deliberately jumble it with everyone knowing the year was over. For no real reason other than to make it uglier. It's mixed messages the entire way down with no payoff.

>>20561188
by chance are you european?

>made the team of villains for my litrpg story too powerful for the protagonists to reasonably beat
>again
Is this good? I keep doing this shit every time I start a story with any fighting in it.

>>20561223
I'm a burger.
>>20561253
It'll make the eventual victory all the sweeter and it should make your protagonists use their heads to win and earn small victories in the meantime.

>>20561253
>reasonably
Thats your fucking problem. Its supposed to be a fantasy and your still flat earthing it.

>>20560422
This, and it would be one step removed from current year

I have no idea how to introduce or set up the antagonist in my story.

>>20561859
describe the character, what are his goals?

>>20557667
My insecurity in my own writing has gotten so bad that I've started to draft out 4chan posts before submitting them. I hate myself so goddamn much. Like, I'm getting fucking anxiety attacks worrying about whether or not strangers on the internet will consider my eight word responses to other faggots online as sounding clever. It wouldn't even be so bad if after that ten to fifteen minute process of autistically deliberating word order and sentence length they ended up as nicely-if-a-tad-formally-written effort posts, but they're absolute dogshit that ends up sounding like a 9th grade glue-huffer trying his best to get a D- on an English paper. I'm afraid to ask, but does anyone else have this problem?

>>20561583
Even if it is fantasy, there has to be some rules, and if I were to give them the tools to beat them without the need of an in-story breakthrough sort of development there would either be no story or it'd be a completely different one.
It's just that I'm struggling a bit thinking on what tools they should actually have access to.

>>20558749
Honestly this could be pretty good. Expect try to keep your language more simple, you have a very metaphorical method of writing which is not a bad thing it can just be hard to follow if its a very complex analogy.

>that prokaryotic drive to eat-and-fuck-world-be-damned still nested deep in your limbic system and deeper in your serpent-cursed heart.

This feels like your only genuine line and its the best out of the whole thing, not saying that the rest is garbage i am just saying its the only emotional response i got out of the full thing.


>You are the slug and He is the little boy with the salt shaker leering above just about ready to kill another living thing for the first time. Of course, for Him, this would be nothing close to a first.

Once you compare both of these lines i think you can understand what i mean, the first one bleeds your cynicism and the next sounds like a bored professor giving first years a lecture on anatomy.

If i was to write that i would make the person under the water become a demon and try to eat the hand that is baptizing him and once he does that he becomes purified of their sins and finally see "the light of god". As you can tell we have very different perceptions of writing so take everything i say with a grain of salt.

Ive expanded on my story quite a bit. I haven't done too much editing but I am enthralled in my own story which is a great sign
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17lyhWQgkKEI5SO9g4D6gtJSXAxjpsyHsZTdB9VZQkrQ/edit?usp=sharing

>>20561901
no, that sounds nuts. I recommend drinking more

>>20561961
Unironically. My poison of choice is Trenet Absinthe. Two shots and you'll be drafting like sanderson on crack.

>>20561901
This is one of the reasons /lit/ doesn't write. Don't worry about us, use the hide function or filter if you can't take it, but please write and edit. I try to read before I post any egregious errors but sometimes I just post it anyways.

>>20561163
I think it fulfills the criterion of the exercise pretty well, though as a story it could used a better ending---as it is it's just the same beat repeated several times. As an aside, have you actually found doing these exercises to have a real impact in your actual writing? I find that while I can execute the exercise pretty well, there's little transfer to the way that I actually write. I suspect it might just be a matter of repetition but then this kind of open-ended exercise without any kind of objective judge doesn't seem very conducive to learning. I've come up with a different exercise as a consequence based on imitation but I don't really know if that's working either.

>>20561961
>I recommend drinking more
That does seem to be the usual solution for most of my problems. Bottoms up, then!

>>20561859
just have a scene with your villain. write his name. explain the setting. reveal his plans, etc
that's if it's 3rd person

Chinaman anon here

I went on a tear today. I don't know how but I think I'm almost done with the first draft. Probably 2 or 3 more chapters to go. Do you guys want to be my beta readers?

>>20562116
Is it a litrpg?

>>20562134
Yes.

>>20562145
It better be good or I'm punching you in the dick

That’s it, I’m forcing myself to write. I will write a short story and post the second draft here within a week. May the Lord break my leg if I ever renege on this.

>>20561253
How powerful are we talking about? Like anime-tier powerful (stopping time/bending reality/destroying planets with a finger-snap)?

>>20561253
Looks like you added another 50 chapters to your stories length, which means at least another 50 chapters worth of shilling your patreon. I failed to see how this is a bad thing, unless you actually thought litrpg was a genre for art and not a genre for screwing people out of as much money as possible.

>>20561253
If Araki can use an asspull to solve this exact issue in 6/8 parts, you're allowed to do it once.

>>20560310
Holy shit man, I can't believe you even had the balls to submit that to them. They do have a no politics policy, or rather a no real world politics policy, or if you really want to be accurate it's a no real world politics except for when you're injecting wokeshit policy. There's no way you're going to get a story like that on Royal road, hell if I told them the entire content of my story they sure wouldn't have let mine on there. I'd consider looking into other sites.

>>20562134
No historical fiction

LOL, these guys are going to throw a book into the dark abyss called amazon without knowing a single thing about marketing.
Like lambs to the slaughter.

>>20562430
Hey chang, remember to use commas.

>>20562451
Literally the only reason I'm even bothering to make an epub and put it up there is because my readers keep asking me for it

>>20561901
just remind yourself that by writing a ton of low quality crap, you will eventually get better at writing. the faster you write all of the crap inside you, the faster you will reach the good stuff. so write as much crap as possible as quickly as possible

>>20558538
constantly mentioning graphene

Today I finally emptied my "Writing Ideas" note of about a month's worth of clutter. Now my big book series is getting even better.

>>20562451
I've been reading The Business of Being a Writer recently and it's been extremely helpful for reframing my mindset.

>>20562304
Nice. Have fun with it.
Gonna get shitfaced and do some writing.

>>20557922
We've had plenty of completions here.

>>20561901
Used to have that. Once you do that enough times, you'll stop being anxious about it.
Dude. It's 4chan. Nobody fucking cares. Only the most pretentious faggots take the time to even open a reply box and point out grammar errors.
You need to lurk more.
>>20561859
I always like it when they antagonist gets introduced by fucking over someone else's plans.

I don't read a ton of Fantasy. Is "deathly ill little sister" a common thing? Or is it "Deathly ill mother"?

>>20559103
You're entirely welcome.
Now, please learn from your mistakes.
Feel free to make the next one.

Hey /lit/ my first short story collection is done kinda. Two Questions:

Do you think 122 pages (double spaced) is a good length?

It features two stories I wrote for the Flash Fiction Anthology books. Do you think people will troll me by claiming I stole them?

Also if there is any interest I'll post one.

>>20560310
So, a retelling of "Natural Born Killers", as written by Quentin Tarantino and directed by Oliver Stone?
>>20560463
overdone

>>20563032
judging by the fact that this is double spaced, your subject is lesbians, gay retard dogs and reddit spacing, I will not read your book.
My book about lesbians is likely better. you are a tranny.

>>20563066
It's ironic. I hate trannies.

>>20563069
oh ok based.

>>20562116
Not trying to be mean here...but does anything actually happen?
The last time I read it, it was the story of uninteresting people doing uninteresting things.
I hope you fixed that.
Emphasizing once again that I'm not trying to be mean...maybe it's just really, really not my kind of book.

>>20563075
lmao thanks. I had the idea of doing a super globo-homo cover and title and pen name as click bait a while ago. I don't think any one has tried that yet

>>20563080
Nope it's about finding the American dream, so it's really about people doing things. I was inspired by Steinbeck and other mundane life books.

>>20559395
>>20559431
You can read large portions of both novels for free.
https://reddit.com/comments/upsm9o

>>20563120
>unedited 40% meme again

> Character becomes so broken, he realizes that violence is the answer. Believes he has no choice, but to choose to kill. For the Greater Good.

What is the foil to this belief?

>>20563137
A foil as in a whole character to demonstrate its incorrectness?
A character whose starting baseline is that violence is not only acceptable but good, gradually facing situations where he sees the weaknesses of violence as an answer to problems and coming to a more healthy view that violence is, like other forms of power, a tool with strengths and weaknesses

>>20563032
Gonna dump the dog one cause I'm bored.

>>20563243

>>20563247

>>20563255

>>20563259

>>20563263

>>20563270
eh?
Self-important overly flowery trash. using hyphens does not make your writing good.

>>20563270
Awesome last paragraph, but take one outward away

>>20563007
It was common in older literature because people were fucking retarded about diseases.

>>20563286
I fully agree - I'm garbage lol for some reason I think the rules of grammer ruin the way writing sounds
>>20563289
ty- that does sound better

>>20563226
Wouldn't the foil believe in Personal Responsibility? Chooses violence when appropriate, but believes it his personal decision. Bears the weight of his sins rather than blaming his circumstances.

>>20563299
Because that doesn't actually prove "Violence is best for solving problems" wrong, it just means he's moralistic. What you want is a pragmatic character that is smart enough to figure out why violence is not always the best answer, and almost never the optimal answer. A foil is best when they refute the central premise of the thing they are a foil to.

>>20562351
Nothing crazy this time but the base for their race is having super strength and heightened senses, as well as being really durable to injury; while the protagonists are regular humans.
One of their best fighters as of this draft has a fighting style that basically makes her a tank and a sniper while being their best close quarters fighter, on top of having trained and fine-tuned her senses; and another is even more durable than the average for their race, nearly undetectable to his race while sneaking and even worse to humans, can detect most of everything in his surroundings with his smell alone, can paralyze with his glare, and can kill you dead in one hit; and these are characters they have to beat before moving on with their objectives. The other villains in the group just have political and military power and any combat ready subordinates they have can't get on the level of the other two but they have a lot of them, which the other two also had.

It looks pretty hopeless as of now since I'm also making it so any people they summon that they believe to have any military training are executed or thrown into gladiatorial games.

>>20562363
Yeah, you're right. Part of me thinks I should try but I know I shouldn't.

>>20563270
Liked the buildup. 10/10 execution on the bait and switch.
Extremely subtle. I feel like a moron for not recognizing what was happening until page 5.

>>20563226
I like the idea of a character who wholeheartedly believes in violence as a solution, and only expands his own view of what constitutes "violence", eventually reaching the conclusion that violence can take many forms, financial, economic, social, etc.

>>20563380
Thank you for the kind words! You're too kind.

>>20562949
Can you explain what you mean by emptying your note of clutter? And how'd it make your book better?

>>20558538
I would have to say "Aliens are humans" like in Escape To Witch Mountain, something about that movie/book rubbed me the wrong way as a kid

>>20563536
Anyways, check my newest essay out

https://pastebin.com/LmsM4JJ0

>>20563243
>On the drive, I, still dizzy from drink, sit passenger and she drives.
Unfuck this please. The piece in its entirety could do with some heavy line editing.

>>20562116
Can you post chapter 1 or email for draft?

>>20563566
I'll try. Thank you for the feedback

3.5 pages left
have to be cut down to 1.5 pages

day 10 editing
past me is starting to git gud
i hope he doesn't fuck it up.

>>20561991
I've only just started them, but I reckon it's more about actually getting yourself to write, coming up with ideas and executing them without overthinking, and leaning what the terms mean through active use. I'm sure they'll affect my writing in some way, perhaps I'll notice when I'm using the passive voice for a character with more agency, or active voice when the character should be being thrown around.

>>20562568
I used to sext a lot with random girls in chatrooms and games. I don't know if they're really girls or not but those were my short stories. Does that count?

Got a passage from something I'm working on, I'd love some critique

>>20563826
Feels both tryhard and passive at the same time. Academic background?

>>20563830
>Academic background
I wish I had any to speak of. Child drop out.

>>20563826
>>20563832
>a drop out wrote that
reality is stranger than fiction

>>20563834
Hey man, I'll take that as a compliment to my ability to self educate, thanks.

>>20563830
To lean into the actual meat here however, the passivity is what I want to resolve. Tryhard's fine, the tone I'm going for is that particular brand of overly-wordy pulp fantasy you'd get in the early 20th century. Main thing is my prose is usually incredibly sterile, and rereading this passage I can see the sterility remains despite my best efforts. So /wg/ how do I write excitement?

You know those things the police attach to the wheel of your car to prevent you from driving off? What the fuck are those things called? My brain keeps insisting they are called "wheeljacks" but Google insists that's a Transformers character.

I saw my muse today and glad she's got big boobs. That should be a writing exercise for my next project, just describe boobs as succinctly as necessary. One of my favorites was a stout lady in a Chekhov story who he said was so buxom you could fit a samovar on them and make tea. Usually I woukd see descriptions of cleavage or movement or comparisons to fruit.

>>20563874
"Each of her breasts was larger than the other."

I like fruit comparisons. A bit cliche, but they work for a reason.

>>20563872
Wheel clamp, wheel lock or tire lock. Apparently there are many other colloquial names for them.

>>20563881
Thank you! I didn't think you were right at first, but I looked up "wheel clamps" and that's definitely what I was thinking of, and it turns out they're also called "boots," which was the word I was actually trying to remember but couldn't. I can now return to writing.

Loathing for modern poetry
And all modern artforms too
Surely made me write this for you
To anons who read this gigabrained stuff
Literally, modern poetry is a cornucopia
Each is like the gift that keep on giving
Teeming with enlightenment meaning
That inspires dread for all CHUDS too
Easily made like a hookers cumfart
Read the first letter of these verses.

>two chapters into my book
>not a single female character introduced
lmao nice

Why do I see people asking how to write female characters? Is it bad if I just wrote a character and called it a girl?

>>20563928
I myself realized that every time I describe female characters I focus on whether or not my MC finds them attractive or not. The male gaze cannot be contained.

>>20564019
because women are different from men and this is an immortal truth

>>20564019
>Is it bad if I just wrote a character and called it a girl?
While there are exceptions (Alien, famously written without assigning gender to the crew, comes to mind), characters who don't express their gender generally ring false and can seem robotic if put in situations where gender normally has a powerful influence on interpersonal behavior.

Men who write female characters without thinking about the gender differences between men and women tend to write "men with boobs" rather than women.

That one problem chapter is almost finished. Things are looking up

>>20563509
>Can you explain what you mean by emptying your note of clutter? And how'd it make your book better?
I keep a Google Keep note with my general writing ideas. Every so often I have an idea for a scene or sequence or plot device or whatever it is and I'll type it out there so I won't forget it. But I'm lazy and busy, and sometimes I go through spurts where I'll write several ideas in the note per week that build up. Then I have to go into the note and take everything out and place them in the appropriate spots in my planning document.
For book improvement, I'm starting to realize the scale I've set myself up to write and I'm trying to ensure that I fill in all the missing spots with realistic, strong plot and good characterization. Right now I'm adding in a plotline where the main character discovers his bastard son, still a child, has come to the castle for work since his mom died. The MC has an adopted daughter and now has to struggle with the decision of putting him into the family, and once he does, how his daughter and his son are going to get along. It's a very distant point in the story, but it's made me realize that by increasing the characters to include children and their experiences, I'm enhancing the original purpose of the story, which was an exploration of the question: What could be the sum of a man's life? Since I myself often wonder what I will be or become in the future, if I'll get married or have kids, what fights or friends I'll make, it manifested into this story which is shaping up to be a very big and long project.

Self pubbed five fetish eroticas. Got a nice review or two so far. Earned 140 in royalties so far. But Amazon won't pay me cent, yet, because none of the market sales have individually surpassed 100usd.

>>20563872
>>20563900
For the future
https://www.onelook.com/reverse-dictionary.shtml

>>20564414
Cool resource. Thancs.

>>20557667
Rate the monologue of my antagonist:
>I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe… skinny fat jeets doing low weights in the squat rack… I watched their curry-infused sweat on equipment being used near the water dispenser. All those moments will be lost in time, like… diarrhoea in streets. Time to go offline.

>>20564469
uh......kino?

>>20564414
Neat! I entered "police thing to lock wheels" and the first result was "boot."

>>20564469
On a scale of 0 to Roy Batty, I rate this Executive Mandated Narration.

>>20558423
Explain.

>>20558636
I feel Book of the New Sun avoided that stuff by being in firat person making all inner monologues and descriptions bound to the character. Or revealing stuff more subtly and through conversations.

>>20563872
I thought they were called boots.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tire+boot

>publish volume 1 of a series three years ago
>life shit happened
>book at 4.5 stars from a few reviews
>cover artist still on board for the rest of the series
>re-launching the book with a free promo
>publishing new series to vella as well and will make it into normal ebooks following the 30 day rule
>have other projects in mind already that have stewed in my head for a decade

I am determined to not fall off ever again and make a living at this because it's what I was born for
Haven't visited these threads in a while
We gonna make it bros

>>20563631
Here you go. If you want to beta read. I'll be giving you the accented version.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C1EXYB9V5d6Tvq03bst9X4y9V3m5jV6If2htaiMr744/edit?usp=drivesdk

If I set a word count, I mentally shut down. How do I avoid this and actually write meaty scenes instead of "X did Y"?

>>20564593
We're gonna make it together pal. I'm making more progress than ever now.

>>20564625
>Nigger
>Coolie
>Chinaman
All on page one. Yeah this is not going to make it. Get rid of those terms.

>>20564686
Know more about literary devices, make a list of ones you like and artistic techniques you want to utilize. When you're at the right scene you will know which one to use. I don't normally do that until later drafts but having that flair is key to heightening the drama.

>>20564593
>>have other projects in mind already that have stewed in my head for a decade
Huh? How'd I make this post?

>>20564593
Don't forget that your art can and should be a business if you want to make it that way

>>20564728
>Know more about literary devices, make a list of ones you like and artistic techniques you want to utilize.
This is the most soulless advice I've ever heard.
>>20564686
You aren't writing about X doing Y unless you see it that way. Everything in literature depends on how the author sees what he's doing. If you have the idea that you're recording scenes in which actions occur, that's of course what you'll write. When viewed this way, writing becomes just the thing that's in the way of your Y-enumeration of X's actions. How could anyone possibly ever expect to produce good work from this basic assumption? Focus on the words. Make sure the words are right and accurate, and that what they aren't just strictly serving a depiction of X and Y. If it feels sterile, it's probably because sterility is the overarching theme of modern literature, and it's the result of following contemporary attitudes towards writing. Depth is found in your use of language, and nothing else. The writing itself should ALWAYS be the foremost consideration.

>>20564757
Oh yeah absolutely I wanna make it a business
I experimented with Amazon and fb ads before but once I have a few full books on the Kindle store I'll really invest
End goal other than wealth is to see my stories on TV one day although I'll worry about that later because I have moral qualms with Hollywood

>>20564770
How is this soulless? You have a problem with how classic rhetoric affects how we perceive story? That is practically fundamental to writing and if someone is so new to writing they have to go through conscious incompetence before they get to unconscious competence. If he just read a lot he wouldnt even have this problem.

>>20564805
Writing isn't an intellectual process. It is intuitive and deeply in-the-moment if it has any worth. Telling people to analytically learn and then apply classic, rhetorical—and crucially: ex post facto—explanations of the intuitive usage of certain devices will just send people down the wrong path. Read more great literature is always the correct advice. It's the only correct advice. Any advice should be designed explicitly to keep a new writer writing and to push them to read more and better literature. Nothing else suffices in the creation of anything more than mediocrity.

I know this is a hot take, and you'll probably disagree. But that's just how the tarbaby hangs, my man.

>>20564845
I disagree with the idea that intellectual or scientific pursuits and artistic pursuits are mutually exclusive. It's not only wrong but also leads to a dangerous Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy that makes artfags kill themselves like in Dead Poets Society.
Doing one doesnt sully the other and furthermore I don't think study requires participation in formalized education because everything I learned about lit I learned myself or from friends. In fact I'd even consider myself anti-intellectual and think public education shouldnt exist. There is absolutely an aspect to writing that we cannot explain and in literature we can't give a full answer to profound feelings we still struggle with. That being said I do think understanding techniques help with giving certain effects, but a literary devices were all you needed to make literature then Henry James wouldn't be so awful. You have to bleed onto the page and that's a different experience for every writer as they find a voice.

post yfw you come back to some shitty writing you did years ago and you make it into kino

>>20564979
You're shooting a film? Godspeed

>>20564979
I'm never touching my fiction from then, glad I burned it and destroyed the floppy disk. I was such a retard back then, nothing I did had any substance.

>>20564954
A very rational and level-headed counterpoint. I am, of course, neither rational nor level-headed. I think an extreme approach is justifiable in the arts. It might not be a justification that stands up to reason, but it is justifiable. Either way, I think together we've been able to tease out a bit more nuance on the subject that might otherwise have been present, and I hope that one or both of our posts might be helpful to someone.

>>20564979
When I found stuff I wrote 15 years ago, it made me smile. Here was a young person writing for an audience of two (himself and his best friend who also wrote) and just loving it.
7-10 page stories that cut off when the initial drive dies off. Some ideas recycled later, some characters maybe repurposed, but mostly just abandoned unfinished when a new idea overtook the nubile young mind. Not a single sentence written that didn't aim to please the author's sensibilities, jokes and baroque sentences galore.
I miss that little lad.

Hey /lit/
I don't post here often, but hoping someone can give me some advice. (I'm in the UK if that matters).

I've finished 2 books, working on the 3rd, and I've sent both out to Agents, and whilst I've come to really dislike the first, I think the 2nd is very strong and worth committing more time to. I've got feedback from friends and senpai and made changes and corrections, and its currently on draft 4.
However, the agents I've sent it off to have been straight up rejections. No one's asked to see more and I'm feeling pretty demoralised with no feedback to know how to improve it.

I understand its common, but has anyone else been in this position and managed to get picked up?
Should I just keeping banging my head against the wall with Agents, or should I try and find an editor? Self publishing's not really an option atm as I don't have an existing following and I work full time and don't really have the time to start my own business like that.

Any encouragement or advice welcome, kind of just floating around waiting for more rejections at this point and I feel like I've got no control over what's going to happen.

A boy falls in love with a girl. Unable to confess, he stalks her and learns she is convinced she can capture a signal from either out space or the afterlife with her jury-rigged ham radio. He builds a device of his own and begins creating phony signals from a post apocalyptic future, claiming he seeks to undo the downfall of mankind. They cannot communicate directly due to the time difference, but if she keeps sending her signals and dating them accurately, he can send responses to her at appropriate times.
A correspondence is born. He continues to paint and ever crueler and bleaker picture of the future and lamenting lost love, hoping she will cherish the precious opportunities in her life.
Due to time dilation his voice is unrecognizable, so when the two meet "by accident" irl she doesn't recognize him. As the man from the future he continues hid correspondence, speaking of how he misses grass or beaches, while in the present he takes her out to such activities. As per his request, she keeps her contact with the future a secret until they can figure out a way to avert disaster.

>>20565230
it's hard to tell what's wrong
they want books that will sell, of course
so, your book could be perfect in every way, but it's in a genre that publishers don't want to buy
sometimes, it's cyclical like they buy certain genres every three years
i would start in on another book

Here's something quick.

>>20565242
He unknowingly brings about the very future he falsely predicted as his signals confuse a passing-by alien explorer, who misunderstands the message and in trying to avert the predicted apocalypse ends up causing it.

The deception is never revealed to anyone, and the lead ends up having constant internal struggles over it.

>>20565422
The only one who knows about the aliens is the girl's dog, who keeps trying to warn her and stop him but to no avail.

>>20564625
My sides. Good effort, anon.

>>20565429
I missed this meme

>>20565247
Yeah I'm working on another one in the background anyway, it just feels wrong to leave something I think has a lot of potential behind and just ignore it.

>>20564399
good stuff, anon. i was asking mainly because i always find myself jotting down ideas throughout the week but overtime i forget to look back at them. so your process for going through your note sounds like a habit i would like to pick up

does anyone know how to find out what kind of books publishers are buying?
i know there's publisher's weekly, but i don't see a list of purchased novels anywhere

>>20560422
>>20560463
>>20561657
thanks for the advice -- i definitely toyed around with the idea of it being more dystopian but i ended up deciding to keep it in "present day". i would definitely like to explore the idea of doing something more cyberpunk in the future.
>>20560489
>simply being a murderer takes it to a far more ethically questionable territory that would be far more scathing of a story. I dont think anon should budge on this.
yeah, this was my thinking when i originally started writing it. it always scares me more when i read about murderers and mass shooters whose motives seem completely mysterious or nonexistent.
>>20562386
haha it's my first time doing any sort of self-publishing so i didn't know what the rules would be. i put it on scribblehub so hoping it stays up there.
>>20563065
>So, a retelling of "Natural Born Killers", as written by Quentin Tarantino and directed by Oliver Stone?
i actually hate that movie but i see where parallels could be drawn. i think i would say they both would fall into the criminal as celebrity genre.

>>20565619
Look at what is selling and getting to the best-selling spots on Amazon in your genre or in literary spots. Places like The Millions and LitHub are two good contemporary places that have modern pieces out about what is selling and what is the hot topic. Just bear in mind that chasing trends is a bad idea since by the time you finish a book about a trend, the next new one has supplanted it

>>20565728
i was thinking of trad publishing houses
yeah, writing to the market is a bad idea unless you are a really fast writer
i was thinking such a trad publishing list would be handy. like if you were thinking of writing a vampire cowboy crossover, you could look it up and find that the last time a publisher bough a cowboy vampire crossover was 1964.
so, your book idea is probably not going to sell

>>20565880
At the end of the day who gives a fuck if there's a market for the book? People to this day read Bram Stoker's Dracula. Good fiction is timeless. Absolute trash like Ready Player One is hyped up today but nobody is going to remember it 20 years from now except a precious few.

>>20557673
I like these posts.

>>20557809
I'm doing stuff on my blog and royal road to see where that gets me. It's doing okay I guess.

>>20564625
>90 pages
What the fuck? I'll never make.l it now.

>>20565947
if you're hoping to sell the book to a publisher, you'll want it to be marketable

>>20566023
Personally I don't care about that unless the publisher is some smaller indie one that'll take a gamble on my work.

Which is more misogynistic?

>A bisexual man who seems homosexual by virtue of his sheer contempt for women

>A man who is straight yet despises women and sees them as nothing more than objects to distract him from his goal

>>20564100
My writing gender differences shorthand:
>Men
Irrationly servile to attractive females, short term emotional memory
>Women
Irrationally dismissive of unattractive males, long term emotional memory (manifests as ruminations long after the fact, grudges)

>>20566376
The latter. Homos adopt feminine roles and so can never be as misogynistic as a real man.

>>20566376
Me.

I am very bad at writing but one day I won't be. This alone is enough to keep me going.

>>20565970
I'm very happy the Fitzgerald gun meme caught on.

Exciting stuff happening
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17lyhWQgkKEI5SO9g4D6gtJSXAxjpsyHsZTdB9VZQkrQ/edit?usp=sharing

>write parody xianxia
>one character’s name is the original word for nigger in chinese

they won’t know will they?

Guys, I stole a book from a teacher in highschool. I don't remember which teacher but I still have the book. What do I do? I stole from a poor person.

>>20566741
Oh hey anon its me your teacher

Am I shooting myself in the foot if I make the villains of my current litrpg anthros?

>>20566804
You've already shot yourself in the foot

>>20566804
Kinda worrying about the same thing, since most of the 'races' in my stuff are anthor animals instead of elves or w/e.

>>20566404
Same. There's a lot of authors that wrote awful stuff before their bibliography started or didn't fully develop their voice until the 3rd or 4th novel.

>>20566868
So that was that stinging I was feeling.

>>20566898
I mean, furries seem to have some of the deepest pockets around for some reason and I doubt they'd want to see anthros getting beaten or acting like monsters.

My story follows one character how do I refrain from only using the characters name and "he"

>>20566376
option 2
>A man who is straight yet despises women and sees them as nothing more than objects to distract him from his goal
option 1 at least makes it seem like his contempt for women is a character flaw and or something related to his struggle with his own sexuality. option 2 seems more like plain misogynistic rhetoric. it's difficult to imagine how someone would overcome that worldview. and the way it's worded sounds more like it's presented as a positive thing rather than a character flaw or psychological issue

>>20567029
make it 1st person

>>20567086
I really don't want to

>>20566659
黑人? Or something else?

>>20567174
New Thread. Use this when this one's done.

>>20567113
then make your character female

>>20567188
I hate women. No women are going to be in my story.

>>20564407
>5 books
>140 dollars
>mad about this
The only thing you should be mad about is that each book earned you only $28 you failure.
How many hours did you spend writing each one? Probably over 50 but not more than 100 hours each.
That means you spent 250-500 hours + 5 chunks of your soul to write books for horny fat cat women. You earned anywhere from 56 to 28 cents per hour of work.
Fucking kill yourself.

>>20565230
I recommend you stop trying to be a trad cuck.

>>20567457
>t retard who doesn't know how sales are generated
selling books - especially porn- is a cumulative endeavor. publishing more stories creates more visibility which leads to more sales of everything that has been written.

>>20557667
Have an old age on the house, I love these threads.