/lit/ - Literature

>>2051304
if i'm good my lover takes me out to nice places for dinner and sometimes hugs me after sex instead of beating me for crying.

im not sure if that qualify as sex worker. but i get same client for a few motnhs

calling them hookers isnt helping probably

>>2051307

I'm actually exceedingly respectful, but I am insanely frustrated and having trouble not using foul language at the moment.

>>2051308

That might count.

>>2051313
ok i could tell more but what's in it for me????

>>2051318

I have yet to get that question from anyone, but I did just get an email back from someone saying she'd do it. Yay!

There are multiple sub-classifications in the sex industry. I'd shoot for something easier like pornography. Hookers are probably more sensitive to their identity being used commercially, particularly if they work through someone, like a pimp.

I've never interviewed someone, but I'd probably stage the entire ordeal similarly to a paper. Use a thesis and ask questions that can be expanded upon with in-depth analysis.

Are you going to post the finished product? Seems interesting, regardless of what avenue you take.

>>2051327

I'd put up an ad, but apparently it costs $2, so I'm emailing workers on backpage, I've called and left a few messages but haven't gotten an answer yet, next I'll try escort services and talk to people there directly.

As to the final product, I was going to write a novel where one of the characters is a worker in the sex industry and wanted to be true to life, then it occurred to me that if I got enough response I could write a whole novel about it.

>>2051335

Not sure how this would work out, but couldn't you take the craigslist route and type up a short ad? It's nothing classy, but then again, if you want the facts, well, the more base the better.

>>2051348

Craigslist lacks an adult services section presently, it was removed. Currently on Backpage.

>>2051355
>mfw i use it to meetup w/ illiterate creeps

Palahniuk talked about doing it in his nonfiction book for Invisible Monsters.

>>2051369

Haha.

>>2051368

Can you find me a snippet or link? Bookstores are closed right now.

Two interviews lined up! Hahahahahaha!

A recurring pattern I thought you might find interesting: both so far were single mothers, and they seem to have experienced a major quality of life increase and far less financial stress since taking up their occupation.

>>2053607
>both so far were single mothers
did you verbally abuse them over email? i mean breeding is bad enough, but breeding when you know you can't provide healthy family or providence? disgusting.

>>2053607

Since you brought up finances, have you inquired as to their payroll? How much goes toward furthering themselves in their profession?

Are their children aware of their occupation?

>>2053611

No verbal abuse, and it was a pre-existing situation: one was laid off from a well paying job, both have deadbeat exes, and both are putting kids through college or preparing to.

>>2053616

Kids aren't aware as far as I know. One works a 5-6 hours weekly (by choice, could work much more) just to keep the bills payed, the other I haven't gotten that far yet in questioning, however it seems they both spend a lot of time volunteering at hospitals etc.

As to pay, both are over $200 an hour, one is $300 I believe.

>>2053631
excuse me but it sounds like you're trying to say these women aren't subhumans???

>>2053657

They in fact are not: none of the women I've interviewed or spoken to in preliminary emails/phone conversation were junkies, and most or all of them have initially stated that they are working their way through college and/or supporting a family. They are highly sympathetic and doing very well financially.

I don't know if you live in a country where this is legal OP, but just go visit brothels. Pay to have sex with various hookers. Make it a regular thing with your favorites. It might be a slight financial investment but it's worth it. Even a hooker you've never met will make small talk after you fuck (as long as you don't go the full hour), and if you become a regular then getting an interview will be easy and you'll be able to have a more meaningful one.

Maybe you don't want to sully yourself with this sort of business. Artistic duty man. If you really want to understand the sex industry to the point that you can write a good novel about it, you have to immerse yourself in it. A couple of brief interviews just isn't sufficient.

>>2053663
>none of the women I've interviewed or spoken to in preliminary emails/phone conversation were junkies
>and most or all of them have initially stated that they are working their way through college and/or supporting a family
I never said these things were otherwise?

>They are highly sympathetic
yeah, most mothers are. that doesnt say anything about their characters, just the biological bond, jesus christ.

>and doing very well financially.
again, didnt say they weren't.

>>2053672

Sadly I don't live in a country where this is legal: Amerifag in the south.

If I really need to see the sex industry myself I'll just pimp out my female friends and figure it out that way, no worries.

>>2053672
hey what age are you i like you on here :3

>>2053674

But you are stating that you expect them to be subhumans: explain your reasoning, unless you're >implying sarcasm.

>>2053685
>unless you're >implying sarcasm.
oh sorry bro, didn't realize you're one of those people that gets annoyed with people replying to specific parts of posts.

i'll copy paste myself:
>did you verbally abuse them over email? i mean breeding is bad enough, but breeding when you know you can't provide healthy family or providence? disgusting.
and to be clearer,
>healthy family
this is not provided by single parent. especially when the child learns societies attitude towards their occupation

>or providence
im gonna guess since they can't even provide a respectable father they're going to be lacking in so many other areas too.

>>2053678

I'm 22. Yourself?

>>2053676

Ah fair enough, I still think you'd benefit from getting an inside run though. If you befriend a hooker you'll get access to all her hooker friends.

Wow, /lit/ related captcha.

>>2053696
i'm 19 sadly, why? :/

Why is tybrax posting again

fucking shit people

>>2053693

I'm going to guess that your series of quasi-illiterate posts are a clear indicator that you are trolling, which is fine with me: it's 4chan. I actually find your assumptions funny.

>>2053696

I have been told that some of the women are looking for a toy boy for some reason: I may do this.

>>2053706

Who? Sorry, I don't keep track of your board's tripfags normally.

>>2053706
tybrax is a genius, deal with it.

>>2053708
>I'm going to guess that your series of quasi-illiterate posts are a clear indicator that you are trolling, which is fine with me: it's 4chan. I actually find your assumptions funny.
i would really be offended by this and worry /lit/ hates me except you didnt refute any of my points so im gonna just assume you decided to say this to save face. but if you didnt i would really appreciate a serious response. ive baffled from the facts that you've said about these women that you still respect them, seemingly ignoring their flaws as individuals and glorifying them for showing basic paternal urges.

:)

>>2053718
Ty is the fag trolling you. He, quentin and fab make up the horrible three teenagers that we should eradicate completely from our board. the other two are underage

>>2053727

>children

Don't know about it, and even if they did they know their mothers are willing to go out and do this just to make certain that they are provided for and can get an education. As to the notion that a single parent doesn't provide a happy or healthy environment for a child I find that assertion baseless and laughable: I've met single parents who were way fucking better than the dead beat couples I see all the time.

Really the reason I assume you're trolling is because if that's a serious response it reflects rather poorly on you.

>>2053728

Ooooh. Duly noted. You have some subpar trip fags lit: on /tg/ we are at least mostly tolerable.

>>2053700

why? what?

>>2053736
>Don't know about it
well ok, but they could find out.

>and even if they did they know their mothers are willing to go out and do this just to make certain that they are provided for and can get an education
i already said most mothers do desperate things for their children! this is biological bond, nothing special on the part of the mother herself!

>As to the notion that a single parent doesn't provide a happy or healthy environment for a child I find that assertion baseless and laughable: I've met single parents who were way fucking better than the dead beat couples I see all the time.
I didn't say anything about dead beat couples. They are just as bad. But if you deny the importance of the traditional family you're just being too liberal for no reason. breakdown of the family is the sort of thing that kills empires. there's statistics that children without a father are more likely to commit a crime etc. I notice again that you pretend my argument is something i never said by bringing in 'dead beat couples'. please don't do this in your next reply? (that is if you lower yourself to reply to me)

>Really the reason I assume you're trolling is because if that's a serious response it reflects rather poorly on you.
what part? the one i didn't actually say?

>>2053740
why did you want to know my age i mean. just because i asked you or ?

>>2053748

Because you asked me I suppose. At least, I can't think of any plausible 'or'? so I'll ask you; why did you ask me?

>>2053752
not telling :3

>>2053747

Go to college, learn about the Moso, a society that's been fine for thousands of years without a traditional family structure. Become educated adult instead of trolling hipster teen. Profit from newfound wisdom.

>>2053727
>i would really be offended by this and worry /lit/ hates me
I would do more than worry when there is ample evidence that /lit/ does hate you, dear.

>if you didnt i would really appreciate a serious response
Yes, because calling people subhuman merits a serious response from OP. Filling your mouth with horse cock might be a more productive use of your time than writing, Tybrax.

>ive baffled from the facts that you've said about these women that you still respect them
You've "baffled from the facts"? I believe you are baffled, but that bafflement is an entirely normal state for you. To live life as a complete idiot must produce endless bafflement.

>seemingly ignoring their flaws as individuals and glorifying them for showing basic paternal urges.
He seems to have ignored the pinheadedness you've repeatedly demonstrated by engaging in serious argument against your worthless drivel.

>>2053755
Do you mean the Mosuo, the ethnic group in China?

>>2053764

Yes. Spelling is off as I have been drinking. Someone else here is well read, thank you!

>>2053755

You're ignoring the importance of cultural milieu. The Mosuo are able to flourish without a family structure because their wider socioeconomic structure makes this possible.

The Western capitalist system is geared towards nuclear families, and there is compelling empirical evidence that within this system, children of single parents are disadvantaged. Sure, you might have anecdotal evidence to the contrary, but this is the wider statistical fact.

If you want to advocate the de-emphasis of the family unit, you need to advocate radical changes to the entire social structure. The problem is that while the Mosuo, within their milieu, get on fine without family units, their wider system provides them with a pretty substandard quality of life compared to ours.

>>2053754

That's a shame.

>>2053755
we're talking about our(or your) society, not a chinese province's. im not sure if you can just mix families from different places like thatand match like that. crime stats speak for themselves man.

what's so harsh about realising that those two women have made disgusting decisions to be where they are today?

>>2053762
he made one actual point by saying that not all societies need classical christian married couple as parents. but again, i didnt say otherwise. just that evidence suggests single parent families arent as healthy as traditional ones in our society. you've just been mean to me in this post and im going to try and ignore it -.-

>>2053765
or maybe he just googled? i bet if i had said the same thing you would have given me a hostile reply.

>>2053765
Actually, it is just the romanization. We are both right. I have seen in older documents spelt "Moso".

I just read a book about this called; Leaving the Kingdom of Daughters by Yang Erche Namu. A good read!

>>2051304


Time is money, if you try to talk to them while they are trying to do a job they of course are more than likely going to ignore you.

Pay for an interview, say $5 for 10 minutes of questions. you'd be more successful and get more information

>>2053770
Oh, no. I knew. There is a group in Thailand that is named Moso and I wanted to make sure which one it was.

>>2053770
>>2053769

Oh I get it. Continue sucking dick. My bad for responding quasi-seriously. Won't happen again.

>>2053774

Yep. Trying to drunkenly recall the characters in chinese for it, failing.

>>2053775

But see if I'm paying then I'm just another trick, and that just won't do for a serious interview.

>>2053779
butthurt

pay the crack whores and say you don't want to fuck you just want to chat.

>>2053779
you insulted me rather than arguing with me again :(

but i wont judge you for it. 1. because i probably dont deserve the effort from you. 2. because you're drunk right now. even though that kind of says bad things about you also...

>>2053779
摩梭

>>2053769
sorry! :l

>>2053779

Good work dealing with my arguments man. you didn't deal with my arguments.

>>2053786

Thank you, or xie xie ne (can't type the tones on this computer).

Any more information you're willing to share, concerning the women you've interviewed so far? I'm still intrigued.

>>2053809

No one launders their money except for a few. Most of the girls blow their money on stupid shit, or so I'm told. I'll have to talk to them about it.

>No one launders their money except for a few.
>no one
>except for

what was it that made you get attached to them so quickly?

do they give you a sense of being a sympathetic or curious person by you taking an interest in their life? i'm really annoyed by the fact that you're continuing correspondence with them yet not berating them for their choices. or maybe not you, just the fact that i can't.

>>2053814

Oh my God... it's Chris Hansen! Of course, it all makes sense now! The trolls on /lit/ are all Chris Hansen!

>>2053816
>I'm mad because you aren't acting according to MY values

I've seen a few sex worker blogs - mostly escorts and dancers and such stuff. try google. everyone is writing about their life on the internet these days. dunno if you're going for the real low and dirty stuff or what.

>>2053829

Currently escorts, and I have been handed a number of blogs actually. That really surprised me.

>>2053820
doesn't stuff like bad parents make you feel disgust? or like a divorced person bitching about the person they used to proclaim the were "in love" with. I hate how people do so much stupid shit emotionally it's like the majority of people are insensitive or immune to that kind of pain.

>>2053835

Aha, clearly the problem is that you are a man dressed as a woman secretly wearing pants!

>>2053835

If you can get emotional about the dumb shit people do, the only conclusion is misanthropy. because all of us do dumb, emotional, irrational, shit

Also, isn't your propensity to judge others and to derive powerful, negative, emotions from their actions, symptomatic of the 'stupid emotional shit' you don't like?

On another note, sex workers are objectively terrible people. I, personally, hope I never have to work for sex.

>>2053838
it really annoys me when people say im like a girl i dont think girls are like that at all and also i think im pretty logical leaning than emotional.

>>2053847
i dont mean that i think about it or get annoyed 24/7. just that when i want to blow off steam people like that seem to be obvious things to focus hate on.

>Also, isn't your propensity to judge others and to derive powerful, negative, emotions from their actions, symptomatic of the 'stupid emotional shit' you don't like?
emm i dont think you understood if you think they're similar. im tasking about dumb or reckless life choices. big things like relationships taken too seriously or having children, getting married, etc, are different to finding bad parents disgusting when you want to feel annoyed.

>because all of us do dumb, emotional, irrational, shit
nothing springs to mind for me. i try my best.

>>2053835
>bad parents

These women are putting their kids through college. Sounds like a pretty decent indicator of parenting. At least they're making sure their children get an education. You assume that every single-parent household is horrible for the child? You don't know enough about the prostitutes in question or even prostitution in general to make anything but assumptions grounded in the misinformation you've been fed by the media.

I'm not going to argue with you beyond this because I don't respect you on an intellectual level, based on what I've seen of your posts, so you can ignore this if you want and keep bitching.

>>2053847
>>2053859

Aha, but don't you get it? You're only here... by sorcery! This is revenge by /x/ for something /lit/ did long ago in the prehistory of the site!

(Seriously though, in real life it personally gets under my skin when someone shows up at a serious conversation, says some dumb shit, and expects to be taken just as seriously as everyone else there. I have to deal with it irl, but over the internet my new policy is to respond with silly ass shit..)

>>2053859
>when I'm upset I like to complain about these people
>I don't do anything emotional and irrational

>>2053866
did you quote the wrong post of mine? doesn't seem to have anything to do with what you replied to.

>>2053861
>These women are putting their kids through college
>if you put your kids through college you're not a bad parent

>Sounds like a pretty decent indicator of parenting. At least they're making sure their children get an education.
except the fucking state does that, and pressures the parent to. getting into college doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the parent. even in america im sure kids can get financial aid if they're poor.

>You assume that every single-parent household is horrible for the child?
every? no where did i say that. i just said they are disgusting for not providing a good father figure, its not hard if you dont have unprotected sex with someone you only like for a few years before realizing they're a deadbeat(because you're too irrational to in the first place).

>You don't know enough about the prostitutes in question
i'm judging based on the stuff OP told us, nothing more. he would have told me contrary stuff if needed.

>but assumptions grounded in the misinformation you've been fed by the media.
what assumptions have i made about prostitution?

>I'm not going to argue with you beyond this because I don't respect you on an intellectual level
:*[ i'll never learn now no one wants me...

>so you can ignore this if you want and keep bitching.
OP is the only one being a major bitch in my thread by being unable to deal with my off-hand comments about his new friends.

>>2053872
>I don't do anything emotional and irrational
ok, followed by "that infringes on my life". is that ok? i just mean being irrational has no place for big decisions like relationships and parenting. i guess im just bad at explaining im kind of tired...