/lit/ - Literature

>>20530644
Assuming this isn't a larp, listen to Quran recitation with translation instead of just reading it. The Quran is meant to be recited, it literally means "recitation" in arabic

>>20530661
>noooooooooooo you can't just read the text you MUST let someone else read the text to you!!!!
Fuck off.

>>20530661
Not larping. Even though I'm thinking about converting, I still have massive respect for Islam.
My local madrasa really helped me and my family through some difficult times. I'll never forget that.

> listen to Quran recitation with translation instead of just reading it.

I'll check it out anon.

>>20530661
>duude it sounds pretty, it is true, ignore the schizo rambling and historical problems, turn off your brain!
Sorry, but Muhammad was an Arabian soothsayer who cobbled together a poor imitation of the Bible, and Muslims are brainwashed into thinking it is the greatest work ever written.

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, friend.

>>20530683
>poor imitation of the Bible
Like yours?
>cobbled together
He didn't even know how to read and write

>>20530644
There hasnt been a good enough translation to english, even now. Closest youll get is Pickthall. To emphasise my point, the arabic is so classical and words harkening closer to a parent language, arab native speakers dont fully understand every turn of phrase and even some words. I checked once on that website for english translations and half translations straight up missed words or added new unrelated ones in brackets.

>>20530693
That Muhammad didn’t know how to read and write is a lie of Muslim apologists. When ‘Gabriel’ attacked Muhammad in a cave, he did not say that he could not read, he said that he was not a ‘reciter’, i.e. a qāriʾ. The root has to do with vocalizing, reciting besides just reading in the modern sense. Plus, not all Muslims believe that Muhammad was illiterate. Shia believe he was literate. Muhammad is also shown signing his name and wrote letters in sahih ahadith. The fact that the qira’at are derived from a single rasm that was given subsequently different pronounciations shows that Muslims weren’t passing this along orally either. They were themselves dotting the rasm in anyway that made sense, sometimes resulting in differences that are greater or lesser depending on context.

>>20530644
You don't have to convert to Christianity to appreciate the Bible. "He sent down the Book upon thee in truth, confirming what was before it, and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel" (Q 3:3). In fact, you need to read Shia hadith to realize how profoundly it is in harmony with the other Abrahamic religions and realize thatcIslam was subverted right after Muhammad's death.

>>20530675
>Not larping.

You are, all of you faggots are

>>20530745
>believe he was literate.
Source? Perhaps some individual scholar but I don't think this is the orthodox Shia position.

>>20530751
> In fact, you need to read Shia hadith to realize how profoundly it is in harmony with the other Abrahamic religions
Tired of this meme. For a Christian, Allah is an utterly alien deity. The opposite applies to how Muslims see Christianity if they truly understand orthodox historical teachings

>>20530661
,>Has to be recited by someone holding a knife

>>20530761
Utterly alien? Despite that both have their origins in the Phoenician high god El?

>>20530761
If for a "Christian" God is alien, that only speaks about that Christian's religion. Don't comment on things you are ignorant of.

>>20530661
There are no prophecies in previous Scripture predicting Muhammad. Muslims deny obvious historical facts such as the crucifixion. Muslims have no proof that the Bible is ‘tahrif’ or corrupt in anyway. The Qur’an is filled with errors, saying that Mary is the sister of Aaron and daughter of Amram. The Qur’an was not preserved. The greatest reciter of the Qur’an had a different mushaf. Verses were left out, as Umar said regarding the verse about stoning. Multiple musahif with different amounts of surahs and different readings of the rasm exist. The Qur’an is plagiarized from Syro-Aramaic Christian texts. Islam is a meme inspired by the devil.

>>20530767
The Christian God has revealed himself as ‘I am who I am’, the Existing One, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God became man and dwelt among us, born of a woman. This has nothing to do with ‘El’, even if El has stories related to the God of the Bible in some distorted way, which should not surprise us, same with other cultures and the Flood, which was a real event.

>>20530783
You managed to write a post with every single one of its sentences being false. Good job.

>>20530773
I said ‘Allah’, to refer to the God of Islam in particular, being fully aware that Allah is used by Arab Christians as well.

>>20530755
I had actually heard a professor tell me this before, but if I am mistaken, I retract that particular point, but fully stand by the rest.

>>20530783
Yeah okay, you've really just exposed yourself as just another christlarper lying.

Does the 9th commandment mean nothing to you people? Do none of you people feel any shame about blatently lying about your real intentions?

>>20530773
You didn't read what he said, allah is alien to Gods word in the old testament

>>20530796
I will debate you all night. Debunk that post.

>>20530788
Incoherent bullshit, read a history book on your own religion, you fucktarded cultist

>>20530788
God is infinite, ineffable, and inexhaustible. He cannot be subsumed in finitude of a material form. No amount of christlarp mental gymnastics can change this fact. Seethe.

>>20530796
>>20530800
I see you refutations, inshallah, your god is the moon god

>>20530807
> read a history book on your own religion
Why would I read the work of atheistic scholars who blaspheme my Lord when I could read God’s word?

>>20530802
No, because the word 'Allah' is derived from the same source as 'El', as has been explained, retard

>>20530817
You won't look like a Scientology tier cult follower retard, for one

>>20530811
> He cannot be subsumed in finitude of a material form
You blaspheme God by limiting his omnipotence.

>>20530796 #
>>20530800 #
I see no refutations, inshallah, your god is the moon god

>>20530644
you sound like a massive flaky faggot. I hope you get the nig nog poxes.

>>20530683
> Quran
> Written
m8 its a transcription of a speech

>>20530644
Don't swear akhi its not proper adab.

>>20530816
That is demonstrably not true. The Kaaba was build in dedication to a moon god, yes, but the Hums movement and Hanifa movements were firmly rooted in the religious stories of Abraham.

Once again, you expose yourself for being an historically illiterate moron

>>20530825
I don’t care, I will gladly be a fool in the eyes of the world for the sake of Christ, “For the foolishness of God is wiser than men”

>>20530838
This is for this
>>20530829
I deleted because spelling mistake

>>20530838
> Hanifa
More Islamic myths, the term is borrowed from a Syriac word meaning ‘pagan’. You’ve already admitted that Islam is founded in a stone-kissing cult dedicated to a moon god. It’s over

>>20530745
Typical Elamite lies. Can you people even resist mudding waters for but a moment

>>20530847
>YOU LIE
The last refuge for the Muhammad, accusations, but no arguments.

>>20530838
Well then help me because I fail to see something, why do you lick rocks like the moon god pagans did? Why do you run around your black cube like the moon god pagans did? Can rocks heal you or is that idolatry?

So I'm thinking about starting from Genesis. I want to read the bible from cover to cover.
Do you think this is a smart thing to do for someone who's interested in converting?

I'm looking at Genesis write now and it has a ton of commentary form the Catholic church.
Should I comeback after reading the New Testament?

>>20530827
You reduce God's omnipotence to human condition by making Him material. Absolute state of idolaters.

>>20530847 #
>YOU LIE
The last refuge for the Muhammadan, accusations, but no arguments.

>>20530856
I don't know, can King Pedo in a fish hat heal me instead?

>>20530853
whatever you say, merchant

>>20530862
Jesus Christ never ceased to be omnipotent, even when the Theotokos held him in her arms after his birth. Don’t debate with me if you don’t even understand basic Christology, akhi
https://youtu.be/wYYu8fsDJD8

>>20530861
Wow no your right i can feel it tooo!!!1 I can feel JAYSUS cummin in my asshole right now!!!

Im totally not a roleplaying christtard giys, promis!!!;

>>20530867
You really don't like answering my questions do you?

Is that because you can't?

Another one, why do Muslims always resort to vile wicked slander? Is that because your father is the devil just like the jews?

>>20530870
And you will never cease to be a fag who sucks dick

>>20530861
Start with the Gospels, and then read some of the epistles of the NT, and then work your way around in the OT. The Gospel is the centerpiece. I’d start with Genesis when you start with the OT though, and read forward from there

>>20530870
So Jesus was secretly hiding his superpowers letting romans and jews crucify him even though he could have easily broken away and flied up like superman. Absolute state of idolaters.
>Theotokos
Ortholarper.

>>20530885
The Muslim cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>20530879
God, can you please stop using your faggy old timey langauge, it makes Cathtards look like even bigger homosexuals than usual

>>20530863
Keyboard warrior. You would sooner deny your faith in all your idols than be so insolent in front of a Muslim in real life.

>>20530894
> So Jesus was secretly hiding his superpowers letting romans and jews crucify him even though he could have easily broken away and flied up like superman.
“ Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?” (Matthew 26:53). The Son came to die and conquer death. The cross is the most powerful moment immediately preceding his victory over the devil. Read the Gospels, friend.

>Absolute state of idolaters.
I don’t worship an Arabian moon god like you.

>Theotokos
Mary was the Mother of God, cope

>>20530894
No he showed his superpowers because he had the power to stop everything. He didn't because he was the fulfilment of the scriptures. He died to save us from our sins. Praise and glory be to Christ for He has risen

>>20530914
>Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?
So he is saying his "father" is a different entity than him. He needs to appeal to the father to send help, he has no independent power. Christlarper refutes himself.

>>20530905
Its literally modern English. Also I'm a protestant

>>20530906
Threatening violence does not prove you right.
https://youtu.be/PmCnKHFEFYc

>>20530916
Dumb frogposter.

>>20530922
I have not threatened anybody. And being insolent does not make you a pious christian. You're literally just an online larper. Begone.

>>20530920
Same God, different person. Praise be to God, soon you'll understand the trinity. Stay here long enough brother and you'll be a christain

>>20530934
He says he needs to appeal to someone else. He didn't say 'I have to appeal to myself'. Christlarper doesn't know how to read basic sentences.

>>20530920
The Father is not the Son, they are different persons of the Godhead. This is basic trinitarian theology. If you had read the Bible you would know that Jesus kenotically follows the will of the Father, not his own will, and that everything the Son has is from the Father, and everything of the Father is the Son’s.

>>20530938
Exactly, re read what I wrote. Also I'm a different guy.

The koran has 6236 verses if you observe it closely you'll notice that this reduces down to 666
point this out to the wrong people and they will try to take your head

Is this how religion works? I read this book and I 'liked' it more than this other one.

>>20530938
> He didn't say 'I have to appeal to myself'.
It’s almost like God the Father is not God the Son lol, and Jesus being God means that he instantiates the singular divine essence, shared with the Father.

>>20530944
>>20530952
But you larpers said Jesus ("God the Son") was omnipotent. Your own verse said he needs to rely on someone else's power. Absolute state of your mental gymnastics. Imagine the effort you need to put in to believe all these absurdities.

>>20530967
What was said in no way denies the omnipotence of the Son. We know from the Bible that everything created was created through Him as well, the power is inconceivable.

>>20530969
A material thing cannot be omnipotent. You reduce God's omnipotence when you reduce Him to a material form. Even the verse you cited supported my argument.

>>20530967
God is omnipotent

Refer to >>20530916
And >>20530944

Pretty simple

>>20530829
>actually says "moon god"
and that is how every single one of your opinions was invalidated. Stop talking and take your meds NOW!

>>20530979
> when you reduce Him to a material form
Again, you don’t even understand basic Christology. The Word assumed human nature into Himself and was born of a woman, while never ceasing to be God in his nature, and when He died, it was his *human nature* that died. This is basic stuff.

>>20530979
Youre just simple not listening at this point

>>20530934
Sorry sweaty. Athena, Artemis, Ares, Apollo, Demeter, Dionysus, Hades, Hera, Hermes,Poseidon, Zeus are all just the same god in one. ever heard of the Dodeca-inity? Read Greek philosophy to understand it bro it totally makes sense bro

>>20530984
*kisses a stone at a shrine dedicated to Hubal*

>>20530984
Based insult with no refutation. Inshallah salam allahlakem

stupid larp

>>20530999
>something similar in history to the trinity
>tips fedora
>turn 360 degrees and walk away

>>20530999
The Greek gods were said to be born as gods and to die as gods, and to have conflicting wills and interests. We have no single governing principle. Your critique fails, plus the Trinity is from divine revelation, not philosophical speculation. Ironically your Muhammadan fan fiction is closer to the mental idol of the philsophers.

>>20530644
Assuming this isn't a larp, listen to Quran recitation with translation instead of just reading it. The Quran is meant to be recited, it literally means "recitation" in arabic

>>20530644
Good for you anon, I will pray for your conversion into the one true faith. You should know however that in 1969 at the conclusion of Vatican II the freemasons and jews after they had infiltrated the vatican created what is known as the "novus ordo"(new order). It created what is in my opinion a watered down false religion of the one true faith Catholicism, which is today known as Traditional Catholicism. If you go to a Catholic church today it is most likely a novus ordo Catholic church, do not become a novus ordo Catholic, become a Traditional Catholic which is how Catholics have practiced largely the exact same since the times of Jesus Christ. I will pray for you anon, this is the best decision of your life. Please watch this for more information on traditional Catholicism https://youtu.be/hJxM7Lo2URw and then watch this on how to become a Catholic https://youtu.be/ShanFMO5nbE God bless you anon on your journey to salvation.

>>20531043
>If I post it again maybe he’ll believe it!
Muslims getting desperate

So tradcaths and ortholarpers are the new thing here... what happened to the hindu/buddhist/gnostics?

>>20531079
There are threads about Guenon, ‘Mahavishnu’ and Buddhist sutras in the catalog at this very moment.

>>20530644
To every muslim here that is discovering the satanic nature of islam and to those that still hold on to its despicable lies. I don't hate you and I will pray for your conversion into the one true Faith Traditional Catholicism. God bless you.

>>20530644
Christianity offers spiritual salus for the psyche and pneuma. A way to get closer to the truth of God's creation and his love for mankind. The blissful assurance of love for all your fellow human beings, and that no matter what ills befall you in this world, they are nothing before the rewards Christ gives freely. Its afterlife is a spiritual epiphany beyond all human comprehension.
Islam offers worldly, carnal pleasures. The right to lie and cheat and steal and kill so that you can accrue greater material wealth, glut on the fruits of the earth, and cum your brains out in anybody you like, as long as you perform the five pillars of the faith. And the aggrandizement of the sin of pride, of ethno-religious superiority. And paradise is nothing more than the same.
The first of these is a hard path that few achieve even today. Lord knows I haven't. The second of these is the path of greater ease. If worldly comfort is what you desire, look no further than Islam.

>>20531197

>>20531057
Maybe it's actually a bot? but to what goal?

>>20530644
islam without sufism is low iq barbarism

>>20530878
boring - getting molested as a child produces such predictable theological beliefs

>>20530861
worked for me - but leviticus, numbers, and deuteronomy, chronicles and kings is rough going

>>20530644
False flag thread

>>20531510
>islam without sufism
Explain anon. I'm actually interested to know what you mean by this?

>>20530762
Unfathomably based.

>>20530783
>Muslims deny obvious historical facts such as the crucifixion
Lol no. All they say is that Jesus didn't die but had his soul elevated into the heavens.

>>20530644
The Bible is a masterpiece, the New Testament is flawless. The Quran is a sorrowful attempt to undo Jesus' entire legacy and reason for coming to Earth by writing that He didn't really die.

>>20531079
>new thing
FBI agents are less newfaggy than you

Lying for Jesus is a sin
>>20531572
He's referring to non traditional Islam like Salafism

>>20531670
>crucifixion
>didn't die
do you know what a crucifixion is?

>>20530839
Stfu then.

>>20530806
dudes will really say shit like "islam ignores the crucifixion" and expect people to see them as an opponent worth debating. i'll debate you when you've read even a couple wikipedia articles, let alone a book.

>>20532441
hes not lying hes using totally okay and definitely not deceptive Jesuit speak

>>20532591
very technically speaking it's possible to be crucified and not die

>>20532800
Whatever your actual opinion on the Bible, it is an undeniable fact that in the four Gospels, Jesus' believed and alluded to his future, willful death.

>>20532822
In the case of Jesus of Nazareth, undeniably so, since there are multiple independent sources that attest to it (as well as the good news of His glorious resurrection). But theoretically, it is possible for a person (who was not Jesus) to be crucified and not die.

>>20530644
>Read Quran but it's an incoherent mess
>Realise the Quran is not the word of God.
Correct.

>>20530644
Most Muslims I have known are at least familiar with many old testament stories

abrahamism really is a mental illness

>>20531079
>new thing
Honestly the threads have been dwindling. There was a massive amount of zoomers larping as christians over the past couple years but looking at the catalog right now it seems that most of them have outgrown the larp.
Hindus are still there in the form of guenonian traditionalists, they usually stay in their containment threads
Same for Buddhists
Gnostics just left this place abruptly at the end of last fall.

If you are going to listen to recitations, don’t stop with the Quran. Try the OT prophetic books, Revelation (the most astounding poem ever written, aside from whatever its eschatological value might be), Paradise Lost, or Shakespeare. Open your mind, don’t close it.

>>20530644
read the life of mohamid that’s where the action is the koran is boring shite

>>20533374
some janny purges religion threads every day