/lit/ - Literature

Okay, but who asked?

>>20530881
>he only talks when asked
What kind of mega cuck mentality is this?

>>20530842
Is there any "anime" writer, other than maybe Nisio Isin, that can actually write?

>>20530909
Looseboy is pretty good

>>20530897
This, you should talk alot.

>>20530842

>>20530842
>[ ] Do not genuflect
>[x] Genuflect

anime titty and butt

>>20530842
Why yes I DO read visual novels
>What kind of mega cuck mentality is this?

>>20530909
Spice and Wolf is good. Reads like a good Western fantasy book.

dilate tranny

I tried Muv Luv but I dropped it after a few hours got me basically nowhere. What’s another VN worth reading that isn’t a time sink?

>>20531159
Kikokugai is a short one with quick pacing for vn standards

>>20531159
Fate/stay night and hollow ataraxia :^)

>>20531159
muramasa, subahibi, raging loop, saya no uta
those are all incredibly well paced except maybe for subahibi sometimes
i would recommend you to ignore everything ryukishi07 ever touched
start with raging loop or saya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OxUTFwNHnQ

>>20531177
>>20531169
also ignore everything nasu related
he is not a bad writer but the current translations of his works are just incredibly bad
>>20531165
+1

>>20531177
>recommends genreshit and tells him to ignore the one author that actually writes literature
lmao

>>20531182
It was a joke, he wants something short and Nasu works are incredibly long and (sometimes) boring to most.

>>20531142
>Spice and Wolf is good
>Reads like a good Western fantasy book
Why do you say it's good, and then go on to contradict yourself?

I've only ever read Muv Luv and its side content

>>20530909
The prose in the OP is fine.
Please don’t tell me you’re one of those faggots who rails against “purple prose” and believes in “show don’t tell”?

I played through Ever17 recently. It was like a sci-fi version of Call of the Crocodile. Did not expect the plot to be so similar to that.

>>20531159
You were right to drop Muv-Luv. It’s basically just a standard Hollywood alien invasion movie, there’s basically nothing interesting in it at all.

Don’t listen to this faggot >>20531177 who’s telling you not to read Ryukishi07. Higurashi and Umineko are THE greatest visual novels, it’s no contest.

Besides those two I can also recommend Saya no Uta, Subahibi, Steins;Gate, and Eve Burst Error.

>>20531206
>lmao
i don't want a ryukishi discussion. cope, seethe, enjoy your onions sauce and help beato to dilate.

Is /lit/ also full of retards who like umishitko?

>>20531293
>i don't want a ryukishi discussion. cope, seethe, enjoy your onions sauce and help beato to dilate.
*onions sauce
wanted to write something else at first

>>20531291
steins gate is bad too
eve burst error is 4 ossans

>>20531307
why can't i write onions
fuarrk this basedkaf

>>20531301
Ryuukishi is a hack who has no idea how to actually tell a story that does anything except continually bait the reader with red herrings and empty promises of greater themes. He's been like this since Higurashi and will never improve, either on a technical level or as a storyteller in general. Like I said, almost no Japanese fan cares about Ryuukishi nowadays, and it's more than people just being pissed off about episode 8 of Umineko (people were pissed off about Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi long before then, anyway). It's because they've had enough exposure to him to see through his tricks and stop falling for his brand of spectacle and sophistry. And yes, his terrible, childish text is part of the problem too - there are parts of Higurashi that have such embarrassingly poor writing that they're used as copypasta on 2ch. I don't know how the western fanbase continues to put up with Ryuukishi, and I honestly feel that it's damaging to the community as a whole to continue to obsess this much over a single work so long after the fact. The amount of Umineko discussion is one of the reasons people who read untranslated eroge feel so disconnected from the broader western fanbase, and it's not hard to see how stifling this level of obsession can be if you take a step back. This applies to other games as well (Fate and Majikoi, for example) and I suppose to a degree it comes part and parcel with the reality that you guys are exposed to such a tiny slice of what's out there, but when the game in question is something as obviously and majorly flawed as Umineko, I can't help but feel a sense of unease, I guess you could say. I hope you won't dismiss this reply as trolling, because it's something I'm genuinely concerned about and doesn't seem to be going away.

>>20531317
>S
>O
>Y
There.

>>20531301
If you don’t like Umineko then you unironically just got filtered. Although, that’s nothing to be ashamed of I guess - it’s written to actively filter people who don’t want to think and reflect on the text.

>>20531254
F Gardner is a weeb so it’s possible he played Ever 17 before writing CotC.

>>20531321
>Ryuukishi is a hack who has no idea how to actually tell a story that does anything except continually bait the reader with red herrings and empty promises of greater themes. He's been like this since Higurashi and will never improve, either on a technical level or as a storyteller in general. Like I said, almost no Japanese fan cares about Ryuukishi nowadays, and it's more than people just being pissed off about episode 8 of Umineko (people were pissed off about Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi long before then, anyway). It's because they've had enough exposure to him to see through his tricks and stop falling for his brand of spectacle and sophistry. And yes, his terrible, childish text is part of the problem too - there are parts of Higurashi that have such embarrassingly poor writing that they're used as copypasta on 2ch. I don't know how the western fanbase continues to put up with Ryuukishi, and I honestly feel that it's damaging to the community as a whole to continue to obsess this much over a single work so long after the fact. The amount of Umineko discussion is one of the reasons people who read untranslated eroge feel so disconnected from the broader western fanbase, and it's not hard to see how stifling this level of obsession can be if you take a step back. This applies to other games as well (Fate and Majikoi, for example) and I suppose to a degree it comes part and parcel with the reality that you guys are exposed to such a tiny slice of what's out there, but when the game in question is something as obviously and majorly flawed as Umineko, I can't help but feel a sense of unease, I guess you could say. I hope you won't dismiss this reply as trolling, because it's something I'm genuinely concerned about and doesn't seem to be going away.
great critique, although i would also like to add that umineko's message is escapist garbage.

what is it with westerners and r07 not even r07 likes r07 i wish i knew nip so i could be with people who no how much of a hack he is

SHANNON AND KANON ARE BEATRICE
THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON
BEATO IS A TRANNY
RYUKISHI GO TO HELL

>>20531291
I got interested in it because I read it was an influence on Attack on Titan, but I just couldn’t take it dragging and going nowhere.

>>20531291
>You were right to drop Muv-Luv. It’s basically just a standard Hollywood alien invasion movie, there’s basically nothing interesting in it at all.
It's the highest rated visual novel of all time on vndb

>>20531321
Umineko and Higurashi would be better off without their respective last two chapters, but that doesn't mean they're bad in their entirety.

>>20531398
Maybe point some qualities that don't involve only popularity.

>>20531398
>It's the highest rated visual novel of all time on vndb
it's a shitty character drama with boring anime bitches released during a time where there weren't many other works translated
who the fuck cares about vndb ratings
by your logic harry potter and the hunger games must be quite good too because they have high ratings on goodreads

Muv Luv is peak japanese Sci-fi

>>20531321
That's Moogy pasta

>>20531415
https://vndb.org/v92/reviews#review

>>20531446
>https://vndb.org/v92/reviews#review

>>20531159
Did you start with Extra? That one can drag.
I liked Umineko and White Album 2 WA2 recently got a new and complete translation.

You have even worse taste in entertainment than animefags.
Like, anime has better drawings than the DeviantArt-tier shit you see in VNs.
Overworked and underpaid Vietnamese wageslaves draw better and more consistently than the bottom of the barrel liberal arts school dropouts they hire to illustrate VN, this is just fucking embarrassing.

>>20531578

>>20531578
It also has better writing than anime

weebs are subhuman
I see your kind in the same way I see downs syndrome kids

>>20531610
>I see
Who cares what you think? You're an irrelevant loser. Weebs are having fun and you're not

>>20531624
you don't need to be irreversibly brain damaged to have fun, retard

>>20531607
VNs have objectively worse writing than anime.

>>20531578
Seethe

>>20531610
>Comes to an anime website
>Gets angry when he sees anime
You're the one with Down's Syndrome, lad

>>20531709

>>20531738
I can’t remember what the context for this scene would have been, but there was probably some freaky shit going on that would have made the repetitive prose more impactful.
Higurashi is fantastic at building atmosphere, especially in the first half.

>>20531708
Muramasa is better written than Dragonball and 99% of anime

>>20531756
anon, this is AI-generated
the fact that you can't tell the difference says enough about r07's prose
not that you're wrong because prose doesn't fucking matter lmao

See the VN thread, report the VN thread.
See the manga thread, report the manga thread.
This is... the way of the /lit/izen!

>>20531717
There are anime boards here but that doesn't make it a site for weebs

>>20531775
Whatever. Higurashi is one of my favorite stories in any medium. If you don’t want to read it then don’t, no one’s forcing you.

>>20531780
based kageakiposter...

>>20531610
Understandable.

>>20531816
>Higurashi is one of my favorite stories in any medium
We know, you faggots constantly remind us how much you love Umineko and Higarashi. We fucking know.

>>20530842
Kinda based

>>20531293
>>20531307
>>20531317
>being this new
Lurk for 2 years before posting

I only read Overlord because it's kino, but it's a guilty pleasure of mine and I try to never bring it up with friends, even though one is weird enough to wear an anime sweater.
I tried reading some LNs from anime I enjoyed, like No Game No Life or Youjo Senki, but they were terrible. I think I've simply grown out of it, and Overlord is the last bastion of otaku culture in my tastes

I only read Nitroplus VNs. Simple as.

>>20530909
>Nisio Isin
>can actually write
omg word puns and references are so FUARKIN' funny!!!!

Write for immature people and pseuds.

>>20531329
Umineko is for retards and I know for a fact I'm more intelligent than you.

>>20534508
You haven't even read Zaregoto

>>20534514
You're right, because I'm not a pedophile.

>>20530842
I have to confess anons. As a teen what brought me back to reading was reading Higurashi. I genuinely loved the whole thing.
I hated Umineko back then though, and probably still do.

>>20534520
You haven't read his work, but you judge the author, ergo you are a retard

>>20534523
>but you judge the author
Yeah he's a pedophile and a self-fellating pseud.

>>20534537
So by your logic Nabokov is also a pedo? You sound like one of those cancel culture sjws

>>20534544
>So by your logic Nabokov is also a pedo?
Good comparison, except it's juvenile weeb shit so Nisio's even worse.
>You sound like one of those cancel culture sjws
I'm not cancelling him.

>>20534537
come on, stop being like that

personally i have only read nisio in english but he is really not an impressive writer
above average for ln and ya standards but nothing incredible although i remember liking the second volume of zaregoto back then

>>20530909
Hard to tell. We would first have to get a translator who can actually write. For VNs and light novels, maybe the prose is great, maybe not, but we will never know because we are reading free fan translations or shitty 3rd world 10 cent ones.

Your fucking weebshit is not /lit/, please get a better hobby or leave

>>20531291
What do I read if I'm new to the medium and don't want to invest a lot of time to figure out if it's for me? Anything with great prose?
Gwern claims that Umineko does much well but is unpolished along pretty much every axis. And of course it's long.

>>20535213
>>20531177
trust me.

>>20530842
>visual novels

Writing a VN thats about atomization through the lens of american midwest yuri right now ask me anything.

>>20535213
Where can I find Gwern’s thoughts on Umineko? Would love to read that.
He’s basically right, “unpolished” is the best way to describe it. It’s a fascinating work and it’s absolutely worth reading the whole thing, but I also can’t deny that there are parts of it that are repetitive, excessive, or just outright bland.
In terms of prose, you have to remember that these are all translated works from a radically different language, so prose quality may not be the best criteria with which to approach the medium. Dies Irae (in the OP) is probably the best, but that’s only because all the others have nothing notable going on with their prose at all.

>>20535213
Song of saya if you fine with horror, Short, well paced, good prose and overall great.
999 is thriller, similar to Saw and has actual gameplay. Plot is just insane.
For better or worse, a lot of popular and well received works in medium are quite long, rarely taking less than 30 hours to finish.
Planetarian is another well received short VN, but I haven't played it yet, so no comments

>>20535327
God bless. Not enough yuri VNs out there. Please hire a competent artist instead of doing garbage deviantart-tier art.

>>20535428
No I won't pay some idiot retard to draw generic anime you no taste no test basedblob.

>>20535397
https://www.gwern.net/reviews/Umineko
>[It] was mind-screwy; and awesome, and awful. It was long, intricate, baffling, a gorgeously flawed achievement. Everyone should read it; no one should read it. I still don’t know what to think of it. Is it ridiculous self-indulgent tripe which exposes my own mush-headedness, or the deepest mystery I will ever read?
And a quote:
>I like the story, but I do not like the work. I like the style of his character design, but I do not like the implementation in the actual sprites. I like the characters but I do not like their development (or lack thereof). It’s like he’s a miner who found a cache of gorgeous natural rubies, and rather than do the best he can to ensure that they are cut into the most jaw-dropping gemstones anyone has seen in centuries, he tries to do everything himself and produces a bunch of small, amateurishly-cut stones that are generally regarded as a waste of raw material.

>>20535425
Why do you think it is that they're long? Do they need to be that long to make a good use of the medium, or is it a matter of convention/marketability?

Will consider these.

>>20535463
>Why do you think it is that they're long? Do they need to be that long to make a good use of the medium, or is it a matter of convention/marketability?
Part of is economic necessarity. They are niche, so they need to cost a lot, so they need to be full of content
Part is because of being allowed to give choice to a player, which allows to fit multiple different stories into one game.
Pretty much every visual novel is collection of multiple stories.
Then there is fact that some games force readers to replay it to get new roots
Another part is tendency to put a lot of scenes, which don't really push plot forward, or develop characters and usually are fillers. Their purpose is to set up wholesome atmosphere, make readers like characters more and make later emotional scenes much more impactful. When done right, it is amazing.

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>>20531307 #
>>20531317 #
>average 07th expansion anti
Ryukishi07 really filters stupid people.

>>20536032
anon...

>>20535213
Just save your time. Both VNs and LNs are weeb stuff. If you’re a weeb you might like them but they are inferior to novels in every conceivable way and mostly not that good. Not quite literature. Not quite games. Not quite anime.

>>20536135
Can you elaborate on what makes it not quite literature? I am not disagreeing, I'd just like to hear your reasons.

>>20536203
You just don’t get the same experience you would novels. They’re not as artistic, not as personal, and not even as accessible as a novel. A novel you can crack open and take with you anywhere. You can read it at whatever pace you want. With a VN, you have to be at a computer and you’re limited by the animations. They’re just not as good at being books as books.

>>20536212
Isn't this more like a personal opinion? What you stated is your subjective idea of what literature should be (or how it should be experienced) rather than a fact.
>They’re not as artistic
This is completely false, VN, by the nature of their medium require more artistic input than books.

Has anyone ever made VN renditions of literature? I think VN's of Franz Kafka and Gustav Meyrink could work well.

>>20536624
No. How can a non-book be better at being a book than a book?

>>20536707
Because VN are not trying to be books, they are whole different medium.
With books, the only artistic input there is is the written word, VNs are more complex in that they not only require you to write the actual story but to add sprites and backgrouds, music and sound effects (and sometimes gameplay) to them too.
With this I'm not saying that VNs are superior to books, Im just saying that VNs are a more complex medium that requires a lot more to get them right, by the nature of their complexity (which stems from not being a book but not being a film either) the writing in them is usually shallow, because the medium (unlike books) doesn't present the story by the the written word alone but by the different aspects that I mentioned earlier.