/lit/ - Literature

Collecting loli SFFG recommendations.

>>20518289

I only possess constitutionally protected content and violate no laws.

Loli is generally legal in the USA, loli books more so.

BAKKER IS KING.

>>20518365
idk Baker is ok, but not that great
:^)

Please post good loli SFFG recommendations.

>>20518289

I only possess constitutionally protected content and violate no laws.

Loli is generally legal in the US and loli books more so.

>>20518367
holy shit. . . sauce?

>>20518367
they had sex later

>>20518340
The rewrite of The Wandering Inn has begun, and the author said they are working with a proffesional editor for it, Diana Gill. I don't know how about you guys, but to me working with an award winning editor known for big books and that worked with Mark Lawrence on 'Red Sister', it's pretty big. No other webnovel has ever had proffesional editor as far as I know, definitely not one as big as her. I'm hyped.

Why does so much modern fiction fall into such rigorously distinct categories? Like for example there's an entire genre of EMP survival stories. Why? They're literally exactly the same plot, differing only in details.
I'm noticing it more and more, so much of this shit is basically that meme about copying homework.
I know older works had similarities too, but that was mostly similarities in narrative convention, not wholesale copy and paste like all the cultivation and litrpg shit is. It reminds me of like 5 years ago when everything was about zombie apocalypses for some reason. God I hate that shit.
If I stumble across another series that is basically "bad ass assassin waifu (why are they always female?) in a shit city where everything sucks out for xXREVENGEXx" again I might just stop reading.

>>20518409
I'm going to pirate all the books and train an AI that just shits books out.

>>20518416
I'm starting to think you wouldn't even be the first one to do it.

>>20518383
I frequently make, (well shoop) my own OC for here. Try to find something good to fill in this blank.

>>20518367
>>20518377
>>20518383
>>20518406
>>20518423
NONCE ALERT

>>20518408
That’s surprising. Wandering Inn was perhaps the best webnovel I stopped reading. Mainly because the story refuses to deal with any negative consequences of what is going on. And what I perceive as the negative influence of the so-called fans of the series. I doubt a good editor will fix these fundamental issues, but it’s still good news.

Anyway, I am looking for a story which starts in a harsh environment and where the characters want to do the best in a shitty situation. I don’t really care about the specifics.
Like there was a story about a guy who woke up in a Chinese cultivation world and he said ‘fuck this’ and moved far away to start a comfy farm and starting a normal family.
Or ‘release that witch’ where some random engineer from earth kickstarts the industrial revolution to help his subjects. Both novels turn to shit quickly, but I kinda love the idea of a slowly growing world instead of another ‘cultivator defies the ruthless heavens’ or a paedophilia ridden harem fetish story.
Like there are so many cultivation novels out there. Each story features some form of clan or guild as the core unit for martial art societies/families. But not one story focuses on a clan or guild itself.

>>20518340
Any news on Second Apocalypse?

>>20518504
I think webnovel Blue Core might be what you are looking for. It's a story about a Dungeon Core who awakens one day and tries to understand what's going on while making pacts with the locals to survive against on-going invasion. It's focused on exploiting the shit out of the magic using science to make up for the dungeon's strange limits, while also learning more about magic itself. Technically it's Isekai, but the protagonist is actually (revealed around Book 2-3?) an Advanced AI from very advanced civilization, who's job was maintaining artificial habitats in space, which is rather novel.. It has a slight NSFW focus, but the few scenes that there are of it are clearly marked and you can skip them if you are not into it.

Honestly, what you are describing sounds very much like Dungeon Core stories, although I don't think I've seen any worth-while ones except for Blue Core. There is also the new story from the same author, Paranoid Mage which's become extremely popular. It does seem to fulfil your requirements, as it's about a normal 30~ year old architect who turned out to be a space mage, and now has to run from Authoritarian magical government while not knowing shit about magic.

Frankly speaking, your requirements of 'characters doing the best in a shitty situation' is very vague, as most stories are about something like that. I guess you just might want to read something Grim Dark or Dark Fantasy.

My current stack is:
> Stargirl
> Eleanor and Park
> Our Chemical Hearts
> Words in Deep Blue
> Six impossible things
> Looking for Alaska

Any suggestions for romance fiction for self-inserting as a shota going after lolis?

>>20518504
How far into TWI did you get?

>>20518617
you should unironically kill yourself.

>>20518617
>Any suggestions for romance fiction for self-inserting as a shota going after lolis?
they're called visual novels (some)

>>20518617
>Any suggestions for romance fiction for self-inserting as a shota going after lolis?
Out of curiosity, have you considered therapy? I've heard there are now anonymous facilities and phone numbers where people with pedophilia can get treatment, or even painless chemical castration. It's not as if you are going to be able to fulfil these desires in any reasonable way unless you want to find 30-40 years for sex androids or Life-like VR. Don't you think life without those attractions would be more fulfilling? It'd free a lot of your time to pursue things that are actually worthwile and socially accepted, instead of obsessing over children.

>>20518340
THREAD ANALYSIS PROGRESS:
▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰▰ 100%
https://voca.ro/1gRkFzMSllMj

GUYS WHYY???
>>>/tv/169532686
it literally made me punch my keyboard

>>20518584
I discovered that I don’t care much about the setting itself in these kinds of stories. Therefore, I tried to make it as broad as possible. The setting doesn’t have to be grimdark or horrible. The farmer story was just the normal "brutal" chinese cultivation world. 'Release that witch' played in a quite dark world, even when it was shallow. Another example from a professional author would be Peter v. bretts Demon cycle. I especially enjoyed the part where the small village filled with simple villagers turned into a pivotal fort against the demons.
>blue core
Isnt this just another story which falls under the "harem fetish story" category? Perhaps i remember it wrong, but i dropped it when a girl got on his rape chair (but it was 100% okay, she liked it!) and every male character was evil, while every female character was either in need of rescue or suddenly really interested in the little dungeon core. But i dropped it quite early to be fair.
>>20518621
Far enough. Had a discussion earlier this year here. To keep it short, the author is afraid to follow through with the threats and consequences. Eren is not a character anymore but the authors device for things to happen. Some examples would be the topic of Goblins. Erens position is understandable. But she is wrong, and the people who actually lived with the threat of these little monsters suffered enormously. Eren changing they minds should not be simple, and for most cases, it should be simply impossible.
Another example would be that nobody dies when they 100% should die. Calruz, the blue fairy or the one ant. The fantastic worldbuilding suffers from that, and i had to drop it at some point. Still a shame, it could have been the best litrpg story out there.

i still wonder why /lit/ out of all boards hasn't learned to use spoiler brackets. it's mind boggling, really.

Bakker is a liberal faggot retard but his books are masterpieces. How did that happen?

>>20518667
i'm not the pedoposter, but literally castrating yourself in the pursuit of "social acceptance" is a hellish idea that only a bugman could entertain. would YOU do that to yourself, if you had "forbidden" sexual urges? let doctors make an eunuch out of you "to make life easier?"

>>20518801
He knows evil so he can write about it

>>20518748
>Isnt this just another story which falls under the "harem fetish story" category? Perhaps i remember it wrong, but i dropped it when a girl got on his rape chair (but it was 100% okay, she liked it!) and every male character was evil, while every female character was either in need of rescue or suddenly really interested in the little dungeon core. But i dropped it quite early to be fair.

The 'rape chair' is probably the most questionable the story gets, but the dungeon being 'blue' (meaning it binds with its partner instead of raping hundreds of people) is part of the premise, and people call Blue Core 'consentacles' a lot. There isn't really that much sex in it, and while it does look like a harem from the side view, as a person that read a lot of harems I don't think Blue Core is one, even if at the end there are three wives. There aren't any real harem dynamics, no focus on 'acquiring' new mates (the dungeon doesn't even want to have new ones), sex is very sporadic and mostly serves the plot. I think the author even said the story would have been better if he didn't write it with NSFW elements in mind.

The focus of Blue Core is one: rationalistic exploitation of magic and science to create things not seen before and craft weapons to make the world tremble. There is a significant element of 'kingdom building,' but it's mostly the dungeon getting more and more powerful with its resources. Admittedly, the erotic elements were really compelling to me, but I don't think they are a problem if you aren't reading for them, likely not even the main readerbase was focused on them.

Trust me in this: this isn't a Harem fetish story, it shares almost no elements with typical harem stories aside of slight emphasis on NSFW aspects and more than one 'partner.' It would be a shame if a story as good as Blue Core got relegated to 'another Harem story,' especially now that it's finished and available polished on Amazon.

>>20518836
>i'm not the pedoposter, but literally castrating yourself in the pursuit of "social acceptance" is a hellish idea that only a bugman could entertain. would YOU do that to yourself, if you had "forbidden" sexual urges? let doctors make an eunuch out of you "to make life easier?"

I think that depends on how weight a person puts on their sexuality. Am I a sexual person? Yes. Do I think I'd be have a worse life if I was chemicaly castrated? I'd lean towards 'no.' That might be becuase I've been reading books thorough my entire life and ideas larger than simple procreation have been embeded strongly into my mind. There are a lot of things that one can do in life beyond sex. I honestly waste a lot of time on sexual stuff and masturbation as it is, so if there was an option to take a pill that disables sexual drive for some time I'd definitely take it.

I know a lot of people's meaning it based on having children etc., but it never really mattered to me that much. I don't want to be judgmental towards more basic parts of life, but they simply don't appear that worthwile to me. I'd rather spend my life pursuing a craft or learning. Yes, you can do those things while having sexual drive as well, but having it is an obstacle more often than not.
I guess I just never bought the entire 'masculine' ideas, even though I was born in conservative Eastern European country. They just don't appeal to me.

>>20518748
>Far enough. Had a discussion earlier this year here. To keep it short, the author is afraid to follow through with the threats and consequences. Eren is not a character anymore but the authors device for things to happen. Some examples would be the topic of Goblins. Erens position is understandable. But she is wrong, and the people who actually lived with the threat of these little monsters suffered enormously. Eren changing they minds should not be simple, and for most cases, it should be simply impossible.
>Another example would be that nobody dies when they 100% should die. Calruz, the blue fairy or the one ant. The fantastic worldbuilding suffers from that, and i had to drop it at some point. Still a shame, it could have been the best litrpg story out there.

Not the OP, but despite being extremely good TWI does suffer from many flaws, lack of real continuity and consequences being one of the larger ones. I guess the author is simply somewhat insane, as a person writing so much would. Like a greedy Dragon, Pirateaba hoards characters and hisses at anyone trying to take any of them away. It probably for the best that you dropped it at some point, as Volume 8 broke a lot of readers, at least that's how it looked to me. Pirateaba seems to have some compulsion to manically create new character and plots, and now at Volume 9 it appears the story mignt not be able to realistically deal with a lot of that without stretching even more. I do trust Pirateaba to solve the problems in some way, but at the same time I'm losing hope they are mentally capable of trimming the cast, or even considering these things as problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aspwxl6Cyzw
Thoughts on this lecture series?

anyone got an up to date epub for TWI? at around 2.06 the chapters numbers suddenly stop being accurate. did the author change up stuff afterwards? it seems like it.

>>20518936
>anyone got an up to date epub for TWI? at around 2.06 the chapters numbers suddenly stop being accurate. did the author change up stuff afterwards? it seems like it.
What do you mean the numbers stop being accurate? The author does incorporate the other PoVs into main numbers at some point early in the story, but it shouldn't be a real problem for anyone, especially if you read on the website. If you want epub or pdf, check z-lib, I think there was a version up to Volume 4 there.

>>20518971
>What do you mean the numbers stop being accurate?
my version from zlib starts book 2 with 2.01 while the blog starts at 2.00 (and they're the same chapters). later on it seems even more wrong, as the blog ends at 2.48 while my epub ends at 2.41 (again, these seem to be the same chapters, or at least they start with the same sentence).

something is clearly very wrong here.

>>20519006
Dunno how to help you with this, maybe it's the kindle book and the number of chapters was somehow edited compared to the blog? (I do not believe the content was changed, at most some chapters might have been merged.)

Check the chapter before the last, or even few of the last ones. Don't know what to advise you beyond this.

>>20519006
>>20518971
to add to this, i only noticed because the zlib file added the april fools chapter (2.07 in the file) instead of the real chapter in one case. that's also how i noticed the one chapter offset. it it was just that then i wouldn't mind too much, but the bigger shift by the end of the book is pretty concerning and i'm not sure what's up with that.

>>20519036
>at most some chapters might have been merged.
actually it should be the opposite, since there are more chapters on the blog than the file. weird

Foundation and Earth is wild so far.

>bro do you wanna fuck a robot
>death by snu snu with the Minister of Transportation
>hermaphrodite Space Wyoming

>>20519049
Sci-fi is known for being weird about sex. Like, just look at Dune. Foundation also has the best sex line I've read in fiction, 'My tits are cold and you need to warm them.'

>>20519048
>actually it should be the opposite, since there are more chapters on the blog than the file. weird
Now that I think of it, there are no differences between Kindle and the blog, as Pirateaba applies all the corrections to both. Idk, you'd probably need to find another version of the story or just read the volume on the blog. Optionally you can do CTRL+P and print the pdf of a chapter, then put it onto whatever you read from.

Redpill me on Veronica Roth.

>>20519036
>>20519074
ah never mind, i figured it out on closer inspection. the G, T, K and H chapters are numbered differently in the file. in the blog they follow the main numbering while in the zlib file they start anew.
so the first H chapter would be 2.00 H in the file but in the blog it's 2.32 H.

and there are 8 of those chapters, that and the one chapter offset in the beginning should cover it all.
quite the clusterfuck lol.

looks like the only true issue with the file (till book 2 at least) is the chapter that replaces the april fools chapter.

>>20518859
ive read enough of the story to recognize most harem stereotypes that i abhor. And you more or less confirmed that it will continue going down the road.
So thanks for your reply, now i am sure that i will not pick it up again.

and btw, i dont have a problem with sex. I have a problem with harems because the setting and the plot will always come second, while the fetish-fantasy will always be more important. Characters and they background dont matter and each character is reduced to the most superficial traits. Sex might not happen in each chapter. But harem is the dedicated theme of such stories, and it invades each and every part of it.
Which was exactly what ive read when i started that webnovel. And yes its a bit of a shame, because the other elements you describe are interesting.

>>20518918
yeah its huge in scope. but i enjoyed most of the povs. Ryoka was the excpetion. but the clown, doc and especially the emporer were great. Which brings me back to my innitial request, because lackens story fullfills it perfectly. Blind guy finding himself in a bad place and wants to do the best for everyone while also having a really sweet romance going on.
Anyway, i hope the author finds a good closure for the story. And i might give the edited version a try if its finished.

>>20518883
i'm sorry, but you are a bugman. i'm presenting to you the idea of a supposed "doctor" that tells you "other people find you unpalatable, so we're going to slice pieces of you off until they like you better" and your response is, like, "uh, okay... i guess i never cared about those parts... not a big deal, slice away..." like the horror of the situation didn't even register.

"would you cut your balls off to fit society better" does not, for a man that still has any dignity left, depend on how much he likes his balls, how much he's planning to use them and so on. it's a question of autonomy.

>>20519134
>i'm sorry, but you are a bugman. i'm presenting to you the idea of a supposed "doctor" that tells you "other people find you unpalatable, so we're going to slice pieces of you off until they like you better" and your response is, like, "uh, okay... i guess i never cared about those parts... not a big deal, slice away..." like the horror of the situation didn't even register.
>"would you cut your balls off to fit society better" does not, for a man that still has any dignity left, depend on how much he likes his balls, how much he's planning to use them and so on. it's a question of autonomy.

I don't think you quite understood me. I don't care about society, at all. But if one lives inside one it's only practical to not get villianized, and honestly no group gets as villainized as pedos. I personally don't have a strong connection to my body as 'me.' It would hurt to lose arm, leg or even genitals, but I wouldn't feel lesser by the lack of those parts, only inconvenienced. I don't buy into this concept of 'dignity' being dependant of having sexual drive or genitals. I understand that for someone that was taught from since he was born that penis nad balls are integral to his idenity the lack of them might be terrifing, but I personally just don't care about these things that much. More even, it sounds extremely constricting and narrow minded to me, but it's all subjective, so there's not much to be done about it.

As for why the pedo should do it, it's only practical to him. He will not be integrated into the society. The biology did not intend for him to mate with children and he will find no real fullfilment there as well. Build no real connections to other people. Even if someone is homosexual, they at most only cannot conceive children with their partner and that's it. Pedos cannot do anything a normal person does as long as they remain a pedo, and the amount of work required for him to convince the society to allow him to fuck children is monstrual, and unlikely to happen during his life, should he want to pursue it.

He can, of course, try to get some money and move to Asia or Africa and then keep fucking children there while buying new ones each time the last grows up and he no longer feels attraction it.

I am not even talking about morals here, but that the fact that only an amoral, asocial hedonist would want to keep being a pedophile. No one else would would, as there is simply no point to it. It's only practical to him to commit chemical castration (as far as I understnad nothing is sliced, so no fear of body dysmorphia here) and find other avenues to live a fulfilling live.

fantasy books with gay rape?

>>20516713
>>20516726
>>20516738
is this guy from last thread still around
last thread archived before I could post my shit

>>20519275
I am not him, but would want to know what the webnovel in question was about

>>20519275
Nobody gives two shits about your shitty story. Go to the writing general, you attention seeking whore.

>>20519275
be less obvious

>>20519268
My diary desu

>>20519049
>>20519062
In one of the Robots novels, a woman has an explosive orgasm just from having the MC touch her hand

>>20518416
novelai is more or less designed for this, with a paid sub to it you can feed it someone's back catalogue to train it for their style

>>20519399
>In one of the Robots novels
what novel?

>>20519408
It happens in the second one but you dont get told about it until the third one I think

>>20519422
Would you recommend the robot series?

The absolute fucking state of this thread.

>>20519426
If you like Sci-Fi Noir and Asimov, yes

>>20519279
I don't know what his was about, but mine (I hesitate to call it a webnovel, it's far more conventional, I just posted a first draft online on AO3) was a type of portal fantasy where a guy from the modern world gets sucked into Dark Ages Britain during the time of the Viking invasions during a conflux of Christian, Celtic, and Norse apocalyptic prophecies coming literally true.

>>20519279
>>20519459
Also the thread topic that was getting attention that the reply chain was discussing was that somebody asked for "Grimdark/Dark Fantasy" stories with Christian themes

>>20518408
>Diana Gill
Lol working with a female editor. Kek can I imagine it will get even more woke

Gully Foyle is my name
Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
The stars my destination

>>20518883
What a cucked post. Sad

>>20518782
[Spoiler]Did I do it?[\Spoiler]

>>20519583

>>20519591
>>20519583
lol I actually tried to spoiler the proper spoiler explanation but it spoilered itself out of existence
anyway first type [spo iler] then put whatever you want to be hidden between the brackets like this, then type [/spoi ler] and remove thee spaces, so that you get then put whatever you want to be hidden between the brackets like this, then type

>>20519599
Select what you want to spoiler and type Ctrl+S

>>20519583

>anime anime webnovel loli webnovel anime visual novel

This is what happens when you don't gatekeep

>>20518365
incorrect.

/sffg/ is only litrpg
/wg/ is only litrpg
kill me

I mean, those who like litrpg are delighted im sure but I find that the lack of proper trad published books discussion is really pushing everyone else away. Its so bad to the point there is no point being here if you don't read litrpg. Someone PLEASE make a general dedicated for non-cultivation stuff.

>>20519709
this should be that general, the chinkbot general should be a different thread

>>20519678
Only way to unshit the thread is for the janny to do his fucking job. I cop bans for genuine discussion of Second Apocalypse but this fucking pedo is allowed to constantly spam.

>>20519758
Who do you think the jannies are siding with? Anime shit runs rampant but any Bakker discussion is killed out right.

>>20519762
I'm telling you, its after the janitor recruitment in /lit/ that things started to go sour

>>20519709
>/sffg/ is only litrpg
>/wg/ is only litrpg
>kill me
>I mean, those who like litrpg are delighted im sure but I find that the lack of proper trad published books discussion is really pushing everyone else away. Its so bad to the point there is no point being here if you don't read litrpg. Someone PLEASE make a general dedicated for non-cultivation stuff.
For what it's worth as a LitRPG reader, I feel exactly the same seeing never-ending barrage of Anime in TV Shows, memes and Art, especially the fucking Art. I hate Anime and its cultural influence on everything, hate that it corrupts eveyrything with its shallowness and utter lack of aesthetics. It's the blandest shit possible and everyone loves it, nah, they even worship their love of trashy anime.

For comparison, noone worships trashy LitRPGs, you'll at most hear that a particular story has many reedeming parts. Anime?

LOOK AT ME, I'M LVOER OF TRASHY CLICHE PLOTS AND WAIFUS, LOOK AT MY WAIFU, SHE'S BEAUTIFUL, LET'S MAKE A JOKE ABOUT US BEING PEOPLE OF EXQUISITE TASTE.

If I could mindwash people into hating anime, I would without hesitation. I hate it, hate how it makes usually shallow media even more shallow and worthless, creating cult of lossers.

Jesus, that's it, isn't? People worshipping their own flaws and talking how great they are as they are losers. They are the second coming of Christians, Nietzsche was fucking right, losers band together and overthrow the better ones with their shit culture, demanding worship of their flaws.

I think I've officialy gone mad at this moment, I'm unable to take it, I don't want to live in a world where main media focus is Anime, I fucking can't. Is this trully it, the end of culture?

>>20519806
You.
Take your pills.

>>20519806
I'd like to have the following things separate
>litrpg
>anime
>normal sffg

In reality I just want normal sffg away from the rest of the weird stuff

>>20518408
>femoid mainstream editor
lmao it's gonna turn into woke trash

>>20518340
What are (you) reading and what are you planning to read?

>>20519905
not litrpg
not cultivation
not webnovels
not anime
not self-published
not xianxia
not chinkshit
not anything that could be associated with any of the above

>>20519869
>lmao it's gonna turn into woke trash
Okay, you are the second person to comment it so I'm responding, what the hell are you Anons talking about. Editor is here for changing the writing to be more readable and tight, not to change WHAT is written about. Pirateaba has used around 4 proffesional editors so far for important chapters. The author wouldn't even ALLOW anyone to change their story, normal artists are cagey about it, webnovelists are like rabid animals in that regard.
The story already has genocide, rape, torture, slavery...there is nothing get woked.

Not to mention practically all editors are female, whing that she's a woman is ludicrous.

>>20519930
You have to ignore shitty bait, you fucking retard.

Sage>>20519930
Jesus Christ, you really this fucking new that you respond to such low-effort bait? Fucking hell.

>>20519846
>In reality I just want normal sffg away from the rest of the weird stuff
Then make your own general, no one is going to do it for you.

>>20519930
Jesus Christ, you really this fucking new that you respond to such low-effort bait? Fucking hell.

>>20519905
I'm around 70 pages away from Lyonesse #1, plan to read some non-fiction next. I got a nice book on the history of Ireland from a book fair recently, I may give that a crack as some Celtic history would go nicely with the Lyonesse trilogy. After I finish Lyonesse 1-3, I plan to read The Thousandfold Thought.

>>20519709
Things weren't as bad like a couple weeks ago, there was some really decent general discussion
I think the janny that was babysitting the threads has lessened his choke on them and doesn't ban the usual suspects as often

>>20520010
Either that, or people here aren’t reporting the usual threadshitters. I think it’s more of the latter than that former.

>>20519930
Bait etc aside, I'd argue that TWI could already be considered plenty "woke" by the retards that perpetually complain about that kinda shit

My father keeps telling me to read Clan of the Cave Bear. Should I?

>>20520089
Decide for yourself, you indecisive bitch.

>>20520100
What an excellent contribution to the thread. Bravo, spastic.

>>20520089
Why are you asking us?

Just checking in on all the cretins here in the brainlet-thread. How are we this fine evening, brainlets?

BAKKER.
IS.
KING.

>>20519930
It's filled with faggots, trannies, powerful women, antiracism and multiculturalism. The MC is a coal burner. The author is genderless. But nothing's getting woked.

>>20520139
Nah.

>>20520089
It's a book for women who wish to explore their lust for savages. It's weird that your father is recommending it.That said if you want to go off-script and explore fiction for women who love savages then go for it. Unless you are a gril then consider locking your bedroom door at night.

>>20519954
Irish history is some of the few non-fiction things I’ll read. If you haven’t had the chance and some vaguely sff/vaguely historical Irish stuff I’d recommend the Tain by Kinsella.

>>20520010
>>20520021
>>20519846
>>20519709
imagine being this mad because someone is talking about a genre you dont like, lol lmao even

>>20520010
>>20520021
>reporting
>janny

yeah bro they really gonna start banning people for talking about a genre of books, retards

>has a female author
>total trash

>>20520744
Not reporting the litRPG people, but the other clutter in the threads that make general discussion very hard
Just litRPG + bakker spammers + loli anime talk make the threads almost unreadable

>>20519709
>I find that the lack of proper trad published books discussion is really pushing everyone else away.
what? Kek do you mean the lack of proper trad books is pushing everyone away?

> non-cultivation stuff.
Litrpg is not cultivation.

>>20520752
Correct.

>>20520757
i agree about some retards loli anime talk and some bakker spammers, but never saw Litrpg running threads

some of you really need to stop with this act: "WOW PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT (genre X) NOOOO!!!!", Not to mention the cultivation genre outbreak, someone above talked about a cultivation book and it's like some retards here see their own mother being murdered, jesus

just talk about what you read and what you want and ignore the rest, the whole thread looks like this is high school and you retards have been fighting over who is the best rock band

>>20520757
>Not reporting the litRPG people, but the other clutter in the threads that make general discussion very hard
>Just litRPG + bakker spammers + loli anime talk make the threads almost unreadable
Amazing cope. Everytime someone mentions a book or story, people discuss it. You know when only Litrpgs or webnovels are discussed? When no one talks about trad books. Because no one fucking cares. If you want to discuss trad books start fucking reading them and posting about them. Talking about litrpgs doesn't make it harder to discuss trad books. This delusion is all in your head.

Unless you want to tell me people discussing traditional books are too shy to post when webnovels are discussed, then I don't know what to do, maybe we will wait till the grow the fuck up.

>>20520834
>the whole thread looks like this is high school and you retards have been fighting over who is the best rock band

this is how i see almost every bakker spammer btw

>>20520853
you're right, because all 10 of the people who've read Bakker are 14 year olds

>>20520834
>>20520838
Ok, I may have put my arguments in a weird way, let me rephrase
I'm not complaining about people discussing litRPG, in fact, it's the only thing I've been discussing in these threads recently
I'm complaining about the obnoxious shitposters that come with those discussions ("lmao webnovels", "woman author, opinion discarded", "chinkshit", "books that have (extremely niche concept)" etc, you know the usual ones and the amount of people that engage with them) coupled with the other extremely low effort posting that often goes on that bring the threads' quality down a great amount and basically stop most other discussion

>there's only litrpg/webnovels/cultvation books being discussed
>hmm should I talk about the books I read then?
>nah, I'm going to start complaining and ask for these genres to be banned from the general !!

>>20520884
Also to clarify, I'm not >>20519709

I'm halfway through book 9 of I shall seal the heavens, while I was reading a chapter I remembered some things that happened in book 1-2-3, and nostalgia hit me as if I was remembering something that happened years ago, even though it's only been 1 month since I started reading the series, it's funny this feeling of looking at a story/character and feeling like you've watched a child/family member grow up over the years....

>>20520936
what are you reading?

>>20520938
>I'm halfway through book 9 of I shall seal the heavens

Any books with underwater civs?

>>20520959
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

>>20520853
Literally litrpg tranny posters

>tfw get excited for this book for the entire time since the last publication but I'm going to finish reading it in one day once it's finally released

>>20520936

Every time I see my page count in ISSTH I get excited for the journey ahead. Currently like 1000 outta 40000 (small pages on my phone)

>>20521369
Thought I selected an image

Ender's game was ok, but one thing I was thinking about after finishing it, is it explained in his later prequels or sequels or whatever why the buggers are presented as dindus in the end or is that a plot hole? Because even if they didn't understand that every human was sentient and they treated them like they would others similar to their kind wouldn't that still be the equivalent of cutting off someone's arm and trying to kick them out of their house so you can move in? They talked about how they had to selectively breed peaceful queens so they could have multiple ones or some shit and the first thing they do is attack random space ships they run into, second time coming to colonize their world? Doesn't really make sense for a peaceful species unless there's more to what happened in those first two conflicts, not really interested enough to read the prequels though.

>>20520506
Is this the only story that not only addresses the goal of the typical cultivation novel(immortality) but also stresses how transitory the journey can be? Who cares if you're a mass murderer if, in the end, you live forever and can save hundreds of times more people than that? Does friendship really matter? Is love meaningful? Should hatred be considered, or are benefits all that matter?

>>20521387
Afaik it's just that they're so incredibly uncaring and casual about the lives of their drones that they view attacking and murdering each other the way we view a firm handshake. Every single interaction between them involves brief skirmishes as their way of a friendly greeting or a playful game. They're like players in an fps, first you get into a random death match for no reason and then eventually become friends with the guy you've been killing and add him on steam.
So to them the war of extermination is like a guy hunting you down and murdering your entire family because teabagged him in CoD.

>>20521396
I have been looking for stories to read, mainly have been going through content on rr, and I literally dropped (almost) every single one of them. its all woke garbage or the writing is so poor, it's embarassing. The mc gets transported to a new world (fantasy, medieval, game etc), mc goes to academy, there is a magical evaluation, while mc is waiting in the queue two girls get tested, girl one has brown eyes, mc has blue eyes later mc is in a class and girl one and two approach and now the mc his friend and two girls form a group. From then on every chapter mc and two girls meet up "randomly" and talk garbage, the mc is also somewhat retarded and must talk in american teenage slang.
Frankly I am tired of going through constant rr garbage looking for good stories that don't exist, I feel like just rereading RI again.

Has anyone read Unsong? It's a web novel.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28589297-unsong

>>20521620
>a kabbalistic sweatshop in Silicon Valley, where he and hundreds of other minimum-wage workers try to brute-force the Holy Names of God
kino concept

>>20519905
>what are you planning to read?
Pic related.

>>20521629
It seems pretty cool I'm going to try it out, never read a web novel before.

>>20521620
>>20521629
The author, Scott Alexander, is a minor deity among rationalist circles, known for his extremely popular (among thinking people) blog Slate star codex. He was so well known he got a hit piece written on him by a mainstream journalist from New York Times. Some people really didn't like his political pieces, especially liberal media, even though he's as far from conservative as it is possible.

To be short, guy's an internet legend. If you want a quick, amazing read, I recommend his short story made out of picrel meme about power-giving pills:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/06/02/and-i-show-you-how-deep-the-rabbit-hole-goes/

It's fucking amazing and hilarious. I recommend everyone in this thread to read it, just the first few parapgraph should buy you.

>>20521728
>rationalist circles
sounds cringe

>>20521728
Damn I had no idea, I'm going to check it out right now.

Does anyone know of other religious fantasy/scifi stuff similar to Ted Chiang's Hell Is the Absence of God? Stuff with angels and shit

>tfw you're reading a short story collection by a single author that's been divided in two sections with Crime stories up front and Horror stories in the second half, but the few "crime" stories you've read so far have been more like episodes for Tales From The Crypt
They're not bad, but not at all what I was expecting. If these are the 'crime' stories then the horror stories must be fucking bonkers.

>>20521874
Gideon Ira.

>>20521728
That's his blog. He's been on substack for years now. He's also more about his real name now.

>>20518340
Snow Crash was mid.

>>20521874
do you mean overtly and explicitly Christian, with the conceit that Christian cosmology is physically real and present? do you mean the religious and moral and narrative themes associated with such works? or do you mean the mere superficial presence of these supernatural creatures in a book treated as generic monsters or elves like in dungeons and dragons or warcraft or something?

>>20521878
This post reminded me that I want to rip off the Tooms episode of The X Files, but make it a Carnacki the Ghost Finder type story and set it in Victorian London.

Just a couple more months before the third book is releaed . To the handful of anons that have actually read this what are your hopes, fears, and expectations? For me it's
>Hopes
Fmc to stop being raped by the big bad.
>Fears
Fmc losing to the dick and willingly joining the big bad like it was implied she did in the second book.
>expectations
Misery, edge and rape.

>>20522129
Forgot to post pic.

>>20518416
AIs write like Axe Cop. It makes sense sentence to sentence but is just random crap the longer it goes.

>>20518923
I like this guy, but he spends too much telling what happens in the books and not enough analyzing or discussing.

>>20522101
I guess maybe the first one? I enjoyed Between Two Fires maybe I’m looking for stuff more like the ending of that book when it deals a lot with the demons/angels. I also enjoyed God’s Demon by Wayne Barlowe (I’m pretty sure this one is Christian stuff?)
Another good one is Jerusalem Man by David Gemmell, that one has Noah’s Ark, lots of named demons,
and the main character recites lots of bible verses.

I’m not religious or anything I just like the whole idea of these things and I enjoy these types of fantasy novels that have that world in them

>>20522157
>>20515369

>>20522149
I think that it's just pointless to try and analyse books that haven't made an impact culturally or even on other books.

>>20518340
Pride month has infected /lit/. The goodreads group is full of queer and homo garbage. I recommend everyone not to be apart of it or leave if you are.

>>20522157
I was about to suggest God's Demon. It has a sequel called Heart of Hell that is nearly as good, and Wayne Barlowe is planning on making at least one more to round it out as a trilogy.

The Wrinkle in Time series (also includes Many Waters, A Wind in the Door, and A Swiftly Tilting Planet) also features the immanence of Christian and Jewish cosmological entities, most prominently the cherubim Proginoskes in Wind in the Door.
I've just finished two historical fiction novels that are far more subtle but treat the subject matter maturely and yet awesomely, in the literal traditional sense of causing awe. The first was Rabshakeh, by Jill Francis Hudson, and the second was Theophilos by Michael D. O'Brien. These books resemble the classical fictional Biblical epics, like Ben-Hur, Quo Vadis, the Silver Chalice, or The Robe, than they do the more direct adaptations of Biblical stories like Ten Commandments or King of Kings.

Gene Wolfe's Wizard Knight mostly concerns itself with Arthurian and Nordic mythology, but there are several very poignant and important moments when sublimely Christian elements are exposed in very esoteric fashion, to the point of nigh Lovecraftian mysticism.

J.R.R. Tolkien's Silmarillion involves the Valar, which are de facto Archangels, waging war directly in the physical world of Arda, and whenever they - or Eru, the not-so-subtle stand-in for Yahweh - intervene directly in the world it's as catastrophic and terrible and again, awesome, as the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs.

>>20522139
That is purely a function of the attention duration coded into the model.

Long short-term memory ai's can decide what they need to remember and what they can forget and other models can decide when they should go back and fetch archival data.

This is an area of vigorous research and rapid progress.

>>20522157
>>20522101
>>20521874

I want to interject this conversation to say I'm looking for something almost like this.

Does anyone know any urban setting fiction stories that involve divine/supernatural/demons/angels/various creatures? Examples are the TV show Supernatural, the hellblazer graphic novels, and that one RIP off dmc game from 2012 or 2013.

>>20522272
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZH9H58L?&linkCode=sl2&tag=apimaahoth-20&linkId=bcfc3fe47224eab9bfc6f1d7b40bab34&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
Maybe something like this?

>>20522272
Uuuh if you like webnovels read Lord of Mysteries for this.

Is The Sprawl trilogy any good? thinking about buying

>>20522272
>Does anyone know any urban setting fiction stories that involve divine/supernatural/demons/angels/various creatures?
You serious? You don't even have to search hard to find them, but I'll spoonfeed you some that I have read. The Junkyard Druid series which is mostly involves the Fae and other supernatural creatures like werewolves. Then there's the Demon Accord series it's basic Angel and Demon shit, but vampire's are the ones that are most in the spotlight.

>>20522312
>The Junkyard Druid series
those book covers... yikes

>>20522318
Those kind of covers are par for the course for trashy urban fantasy

>>20522318
You read urban fantasy nigga you'd best get used to it.

>>20522302
Yeah I dig it. Neuromancer is great. Only read the sequels if you really like it, like really really like it, though. I just finished a reread of them, thinking of rereading the Bridge trilogy next.

Can we ban litrpg or force them into a separate thread? I don't have anything against it, but it's taken over this general and completely smothered all other forms of discussion.

>>20522218
Thanks for your time writing this I think I got a big list to check out now.

I read the first 2 books of Book of the New Sun and I enjoyed them but they were a bit hard to follow for me, I’m down to try out another Wolfe novel though.

I didn’t realize Tolkien had themes like that, I never read LotR. It seems like something id like.

Appreciate it.

>>20522353
blow it out your ass, it's better than endless circling around the same five fucking novel series

>>20522391
At least the same five fucking novel series can actually be discussed. There is absolutely nothing to say about litRPG, it is soulless, AI produced, and the definition of content as opposed to art.

>>20522353
No one is discussing litRPG

>>20522391
>>20522407
You guys need to learn not to respond to obnoxious shitposters and their extremely low effort posting

>>20522403
lol, lmao
cope and seethe, you have no real arguments

>>20522418
But I want to bait him into making a litRPG thread.

>>20522354
Most of Tolkien's Christian themes are matters of human (or inhuman) morality and philosophy, rarely the overtly miraculous, and are therefore more subtle. But to get an idea of what I'm talking about, two of the Silmarillion's grandest spectacles occur when the supernatural forces intervene directly.

The first is when the continent of Beleriand - roughly 30% of the entire landmass of the planet - is completely pulverized as a result of the Valar (angels) engaging in active war against Morgoth (the devil), to the point where the remains of mountains greater than any in Arda (Earth) are no more than sand at the bottom of the sea floor.

The second is even more serious: Capital-G GOD Himself, Eru Iluvatar, touches the physical reality of Arda to deliver his wrath upon it, and this not only causes the complete obliteration of the large continent of Numenor (Atlantis) where the Humans dwell, but it also changes the fabric of space and time; the earth was once flat, but now it is round, and the continent of Valinor where the Valar and elves dwell is rendered ontologically inaccessible from the mortal plane. Only the Elf-ships, guided by the Valar can traverse the 3-dimensional sphere of the globe at the correct angle to enter the seas of the 2-dimensional flat-earth that exists quite literally tangentially to the rest of the cosmos.

>>20522444
holy fucking trips

>>20522483
God damn, probably reading this next.

>>20522353
You really can't. For years it wasn't discussed here, but clearly because people didn't want to be mocked for it. Now the cap has blown off and we see people were reading it all along. Cat's out of the bag. Sorry.

>>20522212
are there any sci-fi & fantasy groups that aren't leftist :(

>>20522350
This. Neuromancer is like Hyperion. Everyone should read it, nobody should ready the sequels unless they're the exception which you probably aren't.

>tfw you went for months without reading anything then read 5 books in less than 2 weeks
Granted they weren't long books, but I'm still very proud of myself.

>>20522403
Litrpg more keenly reflects the struggle of life in the soulless, AI produced world we live in today than any other sffg subgenre.

>>20522532
Same thing as anime lol
though 4chan's been an anime site since the start

>>20522542
On the other hand the ending of Mona Lisa Overdrive makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside and really brings the whole thing together.

>>20522525
Before you do I have to make it clear: The Silmarillion is not a novel. It is a fictitious history. It is a lore dump. It is written like the Bible, or Tacitus, or Homer's Iliad. It is relatively difficult to read as it is not structured similarly to most fantasy books, and this has to be taken into account. The astonishing supernatural events I referenced comprise a few lines, at most a few paragraphs in a 400 page long mass-market paperback which has much affinity for genealogies as it does for wars.
This does not by any means suggest it is not worth reading, because it is very important to read if you have any interest in Middle-Earth at all.

1st little arc of Operation Black Lightning is nearly complete. I figure it'll be this and one more chapter before a brief interlude. It's probably not to some anons' taste, but nothing will ever please 100% of everyone.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/chapter/926837

>>20522591
That's interesting and I may want to re-engage with it at some point. But I'm an old man and when it came out Neuromancer was like reading a transcription of the future, while the rest were merely authorial takes on a theme. But maybe their worth as normal sci-fi books was overshadowed by the punch the original packed at that time.

>>20522537
>>20522212
Yet it's almost at 600 members. It would be a lot higher if there weren't any restrictions at all since joining. In a few weeks it'll change. Judging by my activity feed there are those who agree with you.

On a related note, the guy who put "Message:Greetings fellow /lit/izens, plizzz let me in!!!!!1" as their join message and literally only has Mein Kampf as read, your account doesn't meet the join requirement because it isn't a /sffg/ related book. I've sent a friend request to be able to message this person as well in case this isn't seen. Eventually I'll put reject if the join requirement isn't met.

>>20522483
thanks for the tldr, now I don't have to read the book

>>20522606
Plot holes but congrats it isn't bad

>>20522606
cool is this coomerlit

>>20522722
Do you have COVID right now? Because you clearly have no sense of taste.

>>20522549
There's nothing to be proud of in consuming entertainment.

>>20522741
Don't quit your dayjob

>>20522751
Except all the books I read were from indie writers.

God DAMN Burning Chrome is good. Also reading Gibson's short stories you can see exactly where chunks of his later work, especially Neuromancer, came from.

>>20522765
Why does that matter?

>>20522751
This person has never had sex and never will have sex.

>>20522798
....and that's a good thing!

>>20522829
the knowledge that that poster will never breed is, indeed, a comforting thought

>>20522834
Now only if all humans would do the same

>>20522722
Which plot holes in particular?
>>20522738
I guess? It's tamed down from the actual explicit quest

>>20521643
Are you that anon that was reading the Undertaker: Death Transition in the last thread?

>>20522525
>>20522592
You’re right that he shouldn’t go in expecting to get a typical fantasy structure, but I’d still say The Silmarillion is a novel. Moby Dick isn’t structured with a typical narrative either but it’s still a novel.

>>20522862
When they start talking she communicates in English instead of Alien. Her speech, jokes, overall style is very human. Like her name should be something weird not two English words. I think Story Of Your Life is a great novella partly because it makes the aliens be truly alien. But then she would be less Relatable and you don't want to get rid of the banter and their growing relationship.

Why didn't she have a pilot? Why didn't the helicopter have a pilot? They were both on missions without one so why is a pilot necessary if they're fully capable?

Star Trek books >>>>>>>> Star Wars books

>>20522910
Imagine trying to have any sort of logic in this kind of writing.

>>20522910
There are answers to all that. I'm just not infodumping. Instead, I'm sprinkling those details throughout the story. There's even an alien POV chapter coming up in an interlude soon.
>>20522929
You act like it's difficult

>>20522929
context.jpg
It's amateur fiction on RR. It's still a fun story.
Or you can bitch and moan about everything, how Tom Cruise can't fly a Mach 10+ plane cos there are none and how he'd be way too old with shit eyesight to bullseye the womp rat and pull 10 Gs

>>20522905
Moby Dick isn't a collection of semi-poetic stories, which is what the Silmarillion is typically described as. I've never seen anybody refer to it as a novel, it's always a "collection" of some kind. Moby Dick is pretty much always described as a novel.

>>20522879
Indeed.

Ok again
Bridgeburners Vs The Black Company who would win?

This is bridgeburners post pale, pre daruj.
And Black Company pre juniper, no taken help.

The scenario though is that the black company is sent to take the BB out and the BB are unaware.

>>20518383
Why was that post deleted? I thought it was extremely wholesome and save worthy.

>>20518406
This one perhaps not.

>>20518383
Why was that post deleted? I thought it was extremely wholesome and save worthy.

>>20518406
This one perhaps not.

>>20518667
>plz don't do the most basic life function and reproduce
how about you just kill yourself, dumbass patronizing faggot doesn't deserve rights
>nooo don't read THOSE books!
you're essentially a book burning little bitch, off yourself

>>20518667
>it's easier society to set up "anonymous" honeypots than to admit teenagers enjoy sex and pretens it harms them somehow
full clown world lmao

>>20522331
>>20522335
i dont read urban fantasy and was not the op asking for urban fantasy

look at this shit man for real lmaooooo

>>20521629
>>a kabbalistic sweatshop in Silicon Valley, where he and hundreds of other minimum-wage workers try to brute-force the Holy Names of God
that's an arthur c clark story from the 60s

>>20523444
>i dont read urban fantasy and was not the op asking for urban fantasy
>look at this shit man for real lmaooooo

>>20523444
>>20523512
That's it I'm going to write urban fantasy

>>20523512
wtf is wrong with the head hahahahahahaha wtf

>>20523444
Why is urban fantasy such a trashy genre? It is either written for teenage girls, teen edgelords, horny women, or horny gay men. They are always cheesey as fuck, filled with romance shit. Mostly around vampires, witches and werewolves.

Has there ever been good urban fantasy books?

Rec me a sff book with a kino animal world

>>20523974
I enjoyed the Valkyrie Collections books by Brian Mclellan, but he seems to have dropped the series. They're about a half-troll guy who is magically indentured to a debt collection agency, a literal wage slave.

>>20518340
I just finished reading through the first great battle of the holy war in the Warrior Prophet. That was truly an excellent depiction. I wasn't sure if the second book could be as kino as the Prince of Nothing, but this series is shaping up to be fantastic.

>>20523974
>Has there ever been good urban fantasy books?
I've recently read Nice Dragons Finish Last, the entire series has five books and it was decent, nothing spectacular and the author has compulsion to over-explain stuff, but I enjoyed it. It's also kind of a slow-burn romance, but only in, like 1/5 of the content.

>>20521620
I never got around to finishing it, but it really left an impression on me
One of the most interesting novels I've ever (partially) read, filled with really unique ideas and concepts. At the time of reading it I was delving into the Old Testament myself as a not very religious person and just generally getting into ancient history and civilisations and it made reading the novel even more fun
And lastly, it made me feel like an absolute brainlet, you can tell the author is an extremely intelligent and very well read person

>>20522294
Yes something like that.

I dont mean trashy urban fantasies with teenage vampires. I want a grittier, realistic, take on how demons/creatures/angels/ the divine/ interact with our modern world.

John Constantine works as an exorcist and sort of like a detective in the hellblazer comics whilst dealing with his own relationships and struggles.

The supernatural TV show follows two brothers who hunt or deal with demons/angels/ gods/ monsters, whatever.

And that one DMC rip off game, I only mentioned it because of its world building- Of how it showed demons influence politicians or dealing with them in exchange for gain power and influence which I thought was pretty cool.

Basically realistic/grittier urban fantasy involving the divine or something.

Gritty, almost historical fantasy? Maybe fantasy that apes historical dark ages?

I've been really enjoying Discworld, recently. Read 9 books over the course of a few months and I just cant get enough. Any other authors like Terry?

TWI is pretty charming. chess is also a small hobby of mine so i can relate even more.

>>20524172
Might not be for you but a webnovel I read recently was the first piece of (a)historical fiction that intrigued me enough to read it. It's called Mediterranean Hegemon of Ancient Greece, while a bit iffy in terms of MC success, it's otherwise fairly solid in terms of historicity and storytelling. It's only technically a fantasy as MC being transported back in time is pretty much only supernatural even in the part of the novel I've read so far.

Another couple webnovels I could recommend on the subject are Eighth Warden and Dragon Knight Prophecy. The latter is a bit more high magic than the former if memory serves. Both are very gritty in terms of struggles and setting MC is in, both are also not isekai, having backgrounds and story that's part of the world and it's history.

>>20524172
Just read ancient / medieval historical fiction, it's basically fantasy in all but name in most cases.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040929041451/http://www.shrovetuesdayobserved.com/flight.html

If all stories were written like science fiction stories
by Mark Rosenfelder

>>20524172
Glen Cook's Instrumentalities of the Night is a fun alt-history fantasy story. Mostly because it is not up front about being alt-history fantasy. The names are all different so if you are only reading the story at face value it seems like regular high fantasy set in some alien world. The magic isn't super in your face, either, since the main character is just a mercenary soldier and doesn't have much truck with it, at least at first. As somebody that really likes medieval European history it was a treat to work out what corresponded to what while reading it.

Unfortunately the series isn't finished and the books are substantially longer than Cook's Black Company series.

>>20523974
Weaveworld by Clive Barker is pretty good.

TWI Volume 4 slight spoilers
Just finished the couple of Olesm chapters by the end, and I've gotta say I'm really interested and looking forward to his and Pisces' friendship. Some real fun broship could come from this.
I am a bit worried about how the author will handle the romance with Ceria, but I'm already feeling butterflies in my stomach thinking about the possibilities.
I will admit though, my inner fujo flared for a bit at the scene of them holding hands to pass the illusory wall and them sharing Olesm's water bottle (lmao, I know). But I know it's not meant to be like that.

>>20524313
Embarrassing seethe from a fan of stories about pathetic college professors getting cucked.

>>20522272
Pact by "Wildbow" McRae

>>20524051
There aren't that many and the closest you can get to that is Mike Careys Felix castor series

So there's some decent incest in The Wandering Inn, right?

>>20523974
PSS etc.

>>20519905
you'd think after several reads of botns that i wouldn't be surprised at urth just ending like that
fuck that nigga man

>>20524510
he writes fantasy and sci fi

>>20524478
wish i could discuss but i'm only at book 2.
also is that image supposed to be yvlon?

In the Wiki page for A Night in the Lonesome October it says there are 32 illustrations, but I can't find them anywhere. Will I be missing key aspects of the story if I don't see them?

>>20524973
>wish i could discuss but i'm only at book 2.
>also is that image supposed to be yvlon?
As far as I know the image Anon posted is not Yvlon, and I discourage looking up any Yvlon fanarts as they are full of spoilers.

>>20524988
thanks for the warning.
good thing i tend to avoid fanart in general for stuff like this. both because of spoilers but also because i prefer building the images in my own mind.

Why is Jack Vance such a pervert? I really thought that ogre child rape would be the low-point, but Carfilhiot just had a whole bunch of bird plummage shoved up his arse. I read The Dying Earth years ago, and don't really recall it being this weirdly sexual.

>>20524988
>>20525034
Yeah, it's not fanart, just a random image that kinda looks like how I imagine her

>>20522924
Rec me some Star Trek books.

>>20519905
reading Gardens Of The Moon. Its scope was too broad at first but finally the characters started getting geographically closer to each other and the threads connecting. I really like how Kruppe talks and want to find more novels with similarly weird and autistic characters, by that I mean characters talking about themselves in third person.

>read a book about royalty
>no inbreeding
I know I'm reading fantasy, but it is just so unrealistic it takes me out of the story.

>>20524981
>Will I be missing key aspects of the story if I don't see them?
no, they're just illustrations of the visual text.

I read it based on that meme chart that put it in S tier, also an e-version without pictures.

found some of the pictures here for an example
https://mycotopia.net/topic/50271-books-for-halloween/

>>20518408
I can't believe we got invaded by women. (Only women read shit novels with female MCs written exclusively for women.)

>>20518367
based
also gay ass reddit mods don't even know site rules, that post didn't break them>>20518340

>>20518504
>paedophilia ridden harem fetish story
Tell me more, what should I 'avoid'?

>>20518859
That's how I feel about Fimbulwinter. The sex is bad, even boring (Tina or w/e had ONE hot scene, but that's it), however the story itself is pretty good. He could be famous if he didn't write a smut.

>>20525568
Lazy fuck is still writing the second(!!) book with the loli while raking in the notpatreon money for literal years, dripfeeding like a chapter or less a month

What are some other fantasy authors with lovely purple-ish prose? I've read Wolfe, Vance, and Peake to death.

>>20525482
thanks man, I'm almost halfway through the book. It's nothing special.

This better be as good as you guy's say it is.

>>20525568
>That's how I feel about Fimbulwinter. The sex is bad, even boring (Tina or w/e had ONE hot scene, but that's it), however the story itself is pretty good. He could be famous if he didn't write a smut.
Read Fimbulwinter recently, it was overall just average. Some hot sex scenes, but nothing to write home about. Idk about good story, the OP powers from the start reduced everything to lame wish fulfillment, at least the protagonist had a few interesting ideas about using it. I don't think I'm reading the second book, nothing was earned, sex was too easy and only decent Not to mention all signs point towards kingdom-building, the bane of good storytelling. At least the book leaned towards medieval mentality, that was interesting, but only due to novelty, nothing particularly worth reading as everything was only to justify the MC fucking the women and all other swaying over him.

To summarize, it's above average wish-fullfilment for middle-aged guys. For the best rated harem book it definitely doesn't live up to the hype.

>>20525799
You might enjoy M John Harrison

>>20525881
The book had a good plot and rational protagonist. It was also consistent. No ass pulls. I literally read Fimbulwinter (and the other books) at least 8 times. That fagget E William Brown STILL hasn't published a new book.

>>20525853
yeah
whoever snuck that in there had a nice giggle

>>20518340
picked this up on a whim for $3.50 at my local
ive never read Reynolds, what am I in for?

>>20525917
A collection of short fiction rather than a novel.

>>20525917
the self-titled story got made into a tv adaptation episode that spawned a popular webm on /tv/ during its time

>>20525932
neat!

>>20525917
Kino.

If you have read House of Sons there is a short story with Campion and Purslane.

The Beyond the Aquila Rift short story is also an cgi short story in the TV show Love Death + Robots on Netflix (last ep of season 1).

>>20525909
>literally read Fimbulwinter (and the other books) at least 8 times
Bait?

>>20525949
Do you have the webm?

>>20525952
>The Beyond the Aquila Rift short story is also an cgi short story in the TV show Love Death + Robots on Netflix (last ep of season 1)
ohh yeah! that's why I thought the title looked familiar but I couldn't place it, that sex scene was spicy!

>>20525957
>you actually like this thing that I don't know or approve of?
>bait

Is this one of those "you had to be there" zeitgeist books? Because I just finished it and I found it a bit shit

>>20526027
it's a book from 1961 about a sex cult that gives you superpowers, yes it was a zeitgeist thing

>>20524813
There’s a reason our guy Gene is considered a genius.
>>20523977
Man After Man, though, it’s hard to get.

>>20526027
This book is pretty much the exact moment society went from raising functional adults for military service to turning everyone into niggers.

>>20526090
>raising functional adults for military
lol

Just finished Way of Kings, loved it, shall I jump straight into book 2 or give Mistborn a go? How does that series compare to Stormlight?

>>20525875
It's nowhere near as good as /sffg/ says it is.
But it is as good as I say it is, and it's a solid 7/10 at least, but no more than an 8.5/10. I've read many better books, even ones with explicit Christian inspiration, which themselves are a rarity.
That said it is undeniably worth reading, but I must warn you, the second half of the first book and the first half of the second book are slow, meandering, and overstay their welcome.

Severian dies in the river Gyoll and the rest of the series is a death hallucination

How would you explain to an NPC why Lord of the Rings is better than capeshit?

>>20525881
>Some hot sex scenes, but nothing to write home about.
Get better taste in smut, they were boring as hell.

>>20526181
the last time capeshit involved Christian imagery was in 1978

>>20526181
Both LOTR and Capeshit are shit.

Duna bros, do i just read Duna 1 - 2 -3 and stop there? i see everyone saying after that is just shit and something about the author son shitting everything

>>20526003
I attemped to read it and it was so crude, the quality of writing so low, I dropped it. To like and reread something so objectively bad 8 times you have to be retarded.

>>20526241
Honestly everything past Messiah is shit, people say God Emperor is great but they are wrong
Heretics and Chapterhouse are better than God Emperor but still not good enough to warrant reading it and Children, and Chapterhouse ends on a cliffhanger that plunges you into Brianshit
Honestly just read 1 and Messiah or better yet don't read any of them, it's an exercise in futility

>>20526027
Damn, should I not read it then?

>>20526268
>should I not read one of the most acclaimed science fiction novels ever because some guy on 4chan didn’t like it?

>>20526275
>everyone should read Stranger in a Strange Land because a bunch of hippies thought it was woah like dude 60 years ago

>>20526241
Just read Dune and nothing else in my opinion, it has a great ending and was never meant to be a series, let alone the 30+ books there are bow

>>20526268
If you wanted to read it just to have read it I wouldn't think less of you. But don't expect to have a great time. The ideas in it might have been revolutionary in their day but they're old hat now, maybe there's some appeal to the Martian ecosystem and culture Heinlein builds but it's not enough to make up for the slow tedious plot or thin unlikeable characters. Jubal Harshaw is the most egregious abuse of the author self-insert I have ever seen, and I include fan-fiction in that.

>>20526296
Yeah I wanted to check out Heinlein

>>20526314
Read The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress first, that's both good and enjoyable

>>20526265
>>20526287
oh shit, i already bought Duna 1-2 and Neuromancer, got some discount on amazon kindle, was thinking if i should buy duna 3 or the hobbit/Silmarillion but guess i just read and decide after i finish the first 2

Any fantasy books with an older (10+ years difference) woman/younger man romance that isn't portrayed negatively?

>>20526261
We are all retarded here, don't you know?

>>20526380
Arwen is like 3000 years older than Aragorn
but I assume you're thinking along more mundane lines?

>>20526380
feel like Gemmel did it more than once

>>20526380
>Any fantasy books with an older (10+ years difference) woman/younger man romance that isn't portrayed negatively?
The Wandering Inn desu

>>20526465
what is it with you fucks and The Wandering Inn

>>20519599
I did it frens!

>>20526484
good job bro real proud of you you faced obstacles (not knowing how to spoiler) but you were able to overcome them (finding out the way to spoiler) and triumph (successfully spoilering), THIS IS TRULY A GOOD DAY TO HAVE LIVED
also you can just select the text you want to spoiler and press ctrl-s

>>20526465
>>20526473
is the wandering inn really that good?

why they doing a rewrite?

>>20525196
You'll probably really dig some other characters in future books like Iskaral Pust and Greyfrog. I love Malazan so much.

I'm almost done with I shall seal the heavens book 9, I know there were wars and deaths in the other books, but damn genocide is huge in this book, MC literally destroying worlds and millions of people, I talked about with a normie friend of mine and he was like "That's not cool uhh they're hitler now?"

>>20518617

>>20526526
also fucking translator fucked up lots of things again, literally lots of informations that were talked about in books 1-3 were wrong in book 9, this fucking retarded is doing the same mistake that he did with names and ranks


but im still enjoying

>>20526130
I'd jump straight into Words of Radiance.

>>20526510
>why they doing a rewrite?
Because the first volume was written in 2016 and is not up to the quality the story has now, even if it's still worth reading. A lot of people bounce off, so the author is doing a rewrite (more of a polish of writing and fleshing out, plus lore corrects) of the first volume. I've seen these 9 first chapter rewritten and the rewrite is good so far, a lot of stuff remains, but better.

>>20526510
No. And it doesn't get better as it goes on, so I don't know why they bother. It's just more of the same. It's okay and how much you like it will depend on how much it hits your button rather than inherent quality. That troon that pimps it here and reports negative comments has soured me on it more than it should.

>>20526380

Is Meng Hao a bastard or not?

>>20526545
>That troon that pimps it here and reports negative comments has soured me on it more than it should.
What? I shill TWI more than anyone and haven't reported anyone, I don't think anyone reported any anon due to TWI in these threads. You are delusional, but I guess you are probably itching for some Bakker spamming to commence, I'm sure you'd like that more than TWI.

>>20526552
hes a based jew jinx

>>20526540
im reading martial world right now and im encountering the same <BIG SPOILER> chapter title thing, also the same thing in Coiling Dragon iirc

>>20526613
It hardly matters, if its a problem just **dont look** at the chapter title

>>20526562
can I achieve this aesthetic natty?

>>20525875
Wtf Gene Wolf invented pringles?

>>20526647
He also had a Pringles can for a cock. Truly he was a most based alpha chad.

>>20526613
>>20526636
idk why they do that and of course it matters

im not gonna cry like a baby but is not cool to finish a chapter where MC was fighting villain X, you start the new chapter and boom chapter title VILLAIN X DIES !!!

>>20526562
>due to TWI
Well what do you report them for? I've been here since forever and I've never reported anyone for anything, and the only two posts I've had deleted were anti TWI.

>>20525875
It will reward the attention you put into it. Otherwise you might end up like this guy >>20526131

>>20526675
I haven't read ISSTH, but in a few other xiaxias I've read there have been a lot of fakeout chapter titles.
>FINALLY KILLING <VILLAIN>
>everyone tries really hard to kill him but he's too strong and actually defeats them and they all have to run away
>SUCCESSFULLY ESCAPING PURSUIT
>MC is caught and imprisoned
><MAIN CHARACTER> DIES!
>chapter 300/4598
>he fakes his death and the chapter is about other characters who think they managed to kill him
But yeah even that's kind of a spoiler once you get that it's a subversion. I think the real issue is that chink novels have INCREDIBLY SHORT CHAPTERS so there's just way too many chapter titles for them to not spoiler something eventually.

>>20526380
Black Company.

>>20526750
its funny bc with ISSTH every fucking spoiler title = true

>FINALLY REACHING DAO REALM
>mc goes into dao realm
>VILLAIN B DIES
>villain b really dies

Jesus this Hermaphrodite Space Wyoming arc is going on forever.

>>20526548
>Alissa Nutting
>has a crude image of a vagina on the cover
this has to be fake, this is worse than Chuck Tingle

>>20526548
>Trysmoon saga
redpill me on this

Is there a good fantasy book that isn’t part of some trilogy+? Just one solid book.

>>20526867
how big of a book are you asking for? what kind of fantasy? action-packed and fast-paced, or long and epic and dramatic, or slow and spiritual and introspective? gritty and grimdark or noble and uplifting?

>>20526877
Chef’s choice.

>>20526835
desire to know more intensifies

>>20526891
Three Hearts and Three Lions by Poul Anderson
- essentially a portal fantasy where a Danish-American engineer gets sucked back into a fantasy version of the Peers of Charlemagne and Arthurian Legend and Christian and Germanic eschatology as envisioned by Italian poet Ludovico Ariosto; very short, only about 200 pages with big print

>>20526909
Thank you, anon. I’ll check it out.

>>20526909
I think it's possible that Poul Anderson has written a story with every possible scifi or fantasy premise
that guy wrote like normal people breathe

>>20526900
Foundation and Earth.

The gang travels to a lost planet inhabited by only 12,000 people, who are so obsessed with personal freedom on their giant ranches that they turned themselves into hermaphrodites so they could do solo reproduction and literally never interact with anyone except robot slaves ever.

>>20526979
Reading that right now, that's inconceivably based

>>20526835
>>20526979
Haha I remember feeling and thinking these exact feelings and thoughts
The Trevize books were a mistake, even if they're necessary to bring closure to the series, better to have left it unclosed

>>20526979
god I wish that were me

>>20519709
>>20519806
I still don't understand what litrpg is. Is it like Nick Smith (Ulillillia) and his book "The Legend of the 10 Elemental Masters"?
>>20519905
Are Robert Jordan's Conan books worth reading? I've never read Conan before. Should I start with the early stuff by Howard or can I just jump into Robert Jordan's stories? I know they are relatively disconnected, right? Is his writing style as good as the Wheel of Time? Also, is Terry Brooks any good? I read The Sword of Shannara a long time ago, in 4th grade but don't remember anything about it.

>>20526858
Cuckoldry:the series. It's straight up cuck fetish material.
The protagonist is in love with female protagonist who is also in love with him. Except she has to give birth to the chosen one, with this other dude. Said other dude is a bald, fat, ugly, brown, hairy bastard. Basically a fantasy Turkroach. The main character gets a magical brand that lets him feel all of her pain and disgust as he stands outside her door while the fat ugly bastard gives him a running commentary through the door as he takes her virginity and impregnates her. After that, it's revealed that the fat ugly bastard forced two other female characters to cuck two other male characters by making them all swap partners, threatening to refuse to father the chosen one if they didn't consumate the cuckoldry.

I got baited into reading this shit because it's on the milf chart, but it's actually just cuckshit.

>>20524953
Obviously not well.

>>20525129
Thanks for the recordation, going to have to check it out.

>>20527177
wew FUCKING lad

>>20527177
thanks for letting me know

>>20527294
>>20527382
I forgot to mention, the fat ugly bastards father, who is basically fantasy counterpart Mohammed, invades the protagonists village and all his soldiers rape the protagonists cute childhood friend until she kills herself.

>>20526130
no sense jumping back and forth between mistborn and stormlight, just finish stormlight then if you liked it, go to mistborn

>>20526380
gardens of the moon

>>20527177
sounds like the prince of nothing desu
every other male in that is a cuck

>>20527390
thanks for saving me from a bad time, I was busy researching it myself and I learned that the entire point of the plot in the form of the little Elora Danan savior second coming of Jesus that you went four books waiting for is fucking killed by an evil god of trickery immediately before the world can be saved
I hate shaggy dog stories so fucking much

>>20527404
I'd rather read cute dog stories

>>20527045
I haven’t read any of Robert Jordan’s stuff, but I would absolutely recommend starting with Howard’s original works. There’s a general consensus that no writer was able to capture the magic he originally had.
>>20525196
>similarly weird and autistic characters
They don’t refer to themselves in the third person but I’d recommend Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe. Filled with odd balls.

is the bicentennials man novel any good?
What does sffg think of the story? It’s probably my favorite Asimov story

Bump Limit

>>20527520
>no writer was able to capture the magic he originally had
Okay, sounds good, thanks anon, I'll start with Howard. It's hard to find his works at my local bookstore. The only Conan I can find are the Robert Jordan ones, so I'll have to order online. Were they short stories or novellas? I don't like buying anthologies and prefer distinct, individual books, even if they're only 50 pages. HP Lovecraft's works are always in stupid anthologies for some reason as an example.

>>20527534
The proper word for that would be "discrete", not "distinct".

>>20525196
>Its scope was too broad at first but finally the characters started getting geographically closer to each other and the threads connecting.
lol

>>20527011
It was an interesting thought — absolute personal freedom within “your” set territory requires the absence of other people whose needs you would have to accommodate, to the point where you only interact with anyone via the internet if you both happen to be online at the same time, no imposing on anyone by asking them to be there. But it just took a long time to tell that story, and there’s still fallout with them bringing the kid along. Chuckled that they refuse to respect the kid’s pronouns and decide “eh you’re a girl.”

I’m about two thirds through Foundation and Earth and I think I agree that this and Foundation’s Edge were a mistake. I don’t think they were necessary stories to tell (I would have been happy assuming that the Foundation pulled off the Second Empire a few centuries later), and I think Asimov was stronger in the short story format. But they aren’t actively bad, and I don’t begrudge Asimov wanting to cash in.

I thought the original trilogy held up great, chain-smoking aside. My dad made me read the first one in middle school and I didn’t appreciate it, but loved it as an adult.

>>20527534
I’m afraid there’s only one Conan novel, The Hour of the Dragon. He was only in short stories after that.
I would ordinarily recommend the Del Rey editions for his works, but if you don’t like anthologies there might be some shorter short story collections.

>>20527177
>I got baited into reading this shit because it's on the milf chart, but it's actually just cuckshit.
That's why you don't trust any charts from this place.

>>20527736
Trust no one, not even yourself.

>>20523974
the Vurt series by Jeff Noon is great

>>20526867
it's science so advanced it seems like magic but
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

>>20527177
>>20527390
LMAO sounds hilarious
Picked up

New thread
>>20528207

>>20526548
The Broken Sword one is iffy because the witch is disguised as a young woman.