/lit/ - Literature

I’ve read through some of pic related. Honestly really good

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.
The slogan 'Press On!' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."

-Calvin Coolidge

How many millions in sales have our /wg/ authors raked in? Can any of us hope to achieve the artistry of Gardner?

>>20515731
999,949 from Gardner alone.
The other fifty are to R. C. Waldun, and finally 1 to Eggplant

>>20515652
>>20515668
Buddy you're forgetting to remove your name every time you post. And you forgot to add the subject to the OP.

>>20515555
Actually I just finished my 4th novel and it is a comedy. I'm doing some editing as I prepare it for publication and then I'm going to shop around for advance reviewers, probably on BookSirens and Goodreads.

When is Gardner’a next comedy book being released?

>>20515817
Soon I hope. Gardner’s “horror” books are unintentional comedy gold. Screenshot from a CotC thread.

>>20515835
Just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s bad.

>>20515885
I actually kind of like them at this point. Not saying they’re “bad.” But they definitely come off as unintentionally funny. Call of the Arcade and Jigoku are probably the better of that series.

>>20515791
I think it’s fitting that /wg/ is run by a retard.

>>20515791
Ah. I filled out the "name" field instead of the "subject" field. I'm an idiot.

>>20516027
Yes. You are. I hope you don’t think it yourself as a writer. Although it would be hilarious to see what a dumb faggot like you produces.

>>20515665
>>20515731
>>20515817
gardner is yesterdays news

>>20516045
>don't think it yourself as a writer
Nor you, functional illiterate.

>>20516045
>>20516057
ok u both made a dumb mistake
now stop seething and fuck already

>>20515652
Where can I find eggplant. Looks interesting

>>20516047
>gardner ever going away

>>20516199
check the /wg/ authors pastebin in the OP. I’ve heard a lot of good things, might take the Eggpill myself

Can a bitter misanthrope have any hope of writing something hopeful and loving, or can I only hope to get readers to wallow in my misery?

>>20516223
You can always start out with a bitter misanthrope, then show him softening and becoming more human.
People like that whole "redemption" arc.
Just try to make it different than the 1997 film "As Good As It Gets".

>>20516232
Wow. Bitter misanthropes aren’t human? You sound like a liberal.

>>20516082
It we’re all in agreement it’s a good representation of the shit quality of /wg/, right?

>>20516292
>It we’re all in agreement
so much illiteracy today

>>20516223
Tolstoy was a bitter misanthrope and Anna Karenina has so far been hopeful and loving. I think it's a mindset thing.

>>20516292
>>20516312
Hmmm...the seether has the ability to get his own posts deleted, less than 4 minutes after they're made, despite not violating any rules.
I've long suspected we were dealing with a rogue jannie. This would seem to confirm it.
How isekai of him.

How often do you drop projects? And when do you guys usually drop it?

>>20516344
You can delete your own posts.
>d0x44

>>20516346
Whenever my sphincter feels full?
You may need to elaborate on your question.

>>20516335
Too bad it's not the 23rd century yet.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Savage_Curtain_(episode)#Memorable_quotes
Alien LARPing as Abraham Lincoln: "What a charming Negress. Oh, forgive me, my dear. I know that in my time some used that term as a description of property."
Uhura: "But why should I object to that term, sir? You see, in our century we've learned not to fear words."
Lincoln: "The foolishness of my century had me apologizing where no offense was given."
Kirk: "We've each learned to be delighted with what we are."

>>20516335
It takes place in the 1870s. And why are you okay with Injun, Dixie, Gringo, Paddie, and Chinaman, but not Nigger?

>>20516420
Because black lives matter. Nobody else's life matters until black lives matter

>>20516388
Based Roddenberry.
Travelling through space while calling everyone nigger.

>>20516346
Never, but I often put them on indefinite hiatus.

>>20516453
Indeed. Plus...
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Ultimate_Computer_(episode)#Act_Four
...not only does this episode guest-star William Marshall, a.k.a. Blackula, but he's the bad guy. Not very "woke".

>The chosen hero and companion reach the innermost chamber to destroy the dark demon lord
>hero stabs companion so she can't kill the demon
>attempts to take the demon power for his own nefarious needs
>demon makes a contract with girl
>Girl now has demon power
>escapes
>Hero now uses the world and resources to hunt down and kill demon girl

Is that a good dark fantasy premise? And will I need to have the demon have sex with the girl?

>>20516346
You always drop projects at the ideas phase, but no later than the planning/research phase. I started a few that got to research phases and I realized I just wasn't that interested in the topic. Ideas will always come. The ones that persist and keep showing up in your head are the ones that will last as stories.

>>20516346
Never.
They stay in my outline editor, and occasionally I read the ones that are on hiatus.
If I come up with ideas appropriate for them, they may become current again.
To me, "writer's block" is just code for "not enough ideas to write something".

>>20516428

>>20516082

finally got the martial arts wizard twink art finished, posting some relevant stuff that won't be published for a good while

context is that Von Wickten, the knight-captain, is a rapist slaver and tried to have Victor (picrel) kidnapped to replace one of his slaves because... well, look at him.

>“Please… I- I am sorry, truly I am!” the knight-captain pleaded.
>All present sneered at the display. Jorfr spat in his face.
>“Victor, do you think he truly is sorry?” Zelsys turned to the young man.
>Staring down at the broken dragon, Vic only found disgust for his overacted prostrations. He heard the knight-captain pleading with him, too, but the words didn’t truly reach his ears.
>“Yeah, I do,” he said. A brief look of relief flashed over Von Wickten’s face, soon to be replaced by rage and horror. “Sorry that he got caught. Not for anything he’s done.”
>Von Wickten’s screams overpowered even the howling of the Broken Butcher’s sawteeth. One after the other, his ribs were severed from his spine.

Can I shill my webnovel here?

I've come to a realization, my character could be considered trans, if you quite literally hold a female entity inside you're trans, right?
This is too alienating isn't it? I've been delving deep into Lovecraft and just seeing what comes out.

LOOK, Leto II was a fucking worm, literally, can I get away with this without alienating people?

>>20516710
Yes.

>>20516710
Absolutely.
Everyone else does.
We like things that are free.

>>20516714
>hold a female entity inside
I'm not an expert in this field by any means, but I think that's what they call "two spirit".
Not the same as trans.

Goddamn. My story needs a scene where my protagonist learns a vital piece of information that will motivate her for the rest of the story, but I can't find anywhere in the first act to stick it without it coming across as "As you know, blah blah blah."

It's driving me crazy. I haven't written anything new for this stupid book in a week because I can't solve this. I'm fearing I may have to do a major rewrite.

>>20516710
I'm so fucking sick of you chicken shit niggers coming into MY THREAD posting "H-HEY UHM UWU C-C-CAN I POST MY STUFF? SORRY, I'M NEW AND NERVOUS!" Post it or shut the fuck up. You are intentionally wasting posts. This is not Reddit or Facebook or whatever faggot piece of shit site you rolled the fuck in from. This is fucking 4chan. You don't have to ask permission to post a fucking story. You just fucking post it. You stupid mother fucker. God damn you and all your inbred retard brethren coming into my thread asking permission to do anything is breaking my fucking balls. Do you ask your boss if you can take a shit? Do you ask a green light if it's okay to put your foot on the gas? It just shows a complete fucking lack of independent agency. You need to be ass pat and coddled and told "it's okay Junior, post it and we'll love and support you no matter what!" instead of squaring the fuck up and posting your story and asking for critique like LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD HAS DONE. You fucking question asking, limp dicked, Carpal tunnel having, Google docs using, Reddit gold buying, anime watching, empty bookshelf having, Sandersoy studying, pill popping, square headed chocolate dipped buck toothed DOUBLE NIGGER.

>>20516755
Ok, I can take that, but it's still a bit alienating, people might react more normally to you know, vague entity, but then you miss out on some alien stuff.

How many words to a RR chapter?

>anons cannot buy ads on 4chan anymore

Fuck. How am I supposed to follow in F Gardner’s footsteps now?

>>20516788
Missed the boat pal. Gardner capitalized on that sooner and longer than anyone and probably milked it for all it’s worth.

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>>20516710
No. Go back to /sffg/

>some random old lady on Goodreads is reading my book
Oh fuck anons!!!!! What do? Its even rated 3.5 stars but she chose to read it anyways. Oh fuck Goodreads actually helps my book get readers

>>20516788
This is too bad. Looks like CotC is eternally established as the /lit/book now. Why on earth would they discontinue their ad system?

>>20516785
2.5k-4k

>>20516822
Shit. The bots sprung a leak.

>>20516831
Get more money collaborating with b ads. They pay hiro tons of money and they can stealth advertise. Advertisers know about 4chan and know it's filled with the hardest group to advertise for.

/a/ got an advertisement for an anime and it blew up there from curiosity and shilling. Then it spreads to reddit because reddit will copy anything that gets big here. That anime? Elaina the Wandering Witch

>>20516788
Really? Wonder if that means 4chan itself is on its way out.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54100/wish-mountain-adventure-drama-fantasy-tragedy

I have written a story. Currently nine chapters released. I would like people to read it because I think it is good and I worked hard on it.

I am also interested in answering any questions anons have about the story to guage whether it might be to your interest. Aside from giving spoilers I'd like to answer questions. I can also talk about my own writing and redrafting process, which might be useful to anons to judge my advice/tips by since my work is available for you to judge.

Can also share the audiobook versions of the chapters currently released if interested. I think I need to unlock my inner Gardner shill abilities but I don't think I have that drive just yet.

>>20516785
It varies. I shoot for 1k-2k, so that it's not so overwhelming for a casual reader.
Others do other things.

>>20516870
How do you release an audio book? You just record yourself reading it?

>>20516870
>https://vocaroo.com/1dFNbU4vbMZ6
Did you pay for this audiobook? It's not mixed properly and sounds really thin.

>>20516901
No I just recorded it myself.

>>20516886
Just upload the files to vocaroo and share them. Not really 'released' in any official way.

>>20516905
Watch this and mix, even if you just use Audacity (which is free).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjMCyLsRNig
Also get a good vocal (cardioid dynamic) microphone if you can, especially one with a stand or boom.

I can't believe that Sanderson will dominate the field.

Mistborn aside, his presence suffocates other works. Wait until every shallow scifi work is some cope-paste of Sanderson's narrative.

>>20516916
What does that even mean? Everyone is writing like Sanderson?

>>20516914
I also recommend using Chris' Dynamic Compressor on vocals:
https://github.com/theDanielJLewis/dynamic-compressor-for-audacity
Audacity understands Nyquist plugins natively.

It was easy to let myself into their houses; with my curiosity so satisfied I left. To be honest, at the first glance I would have been frightened if I had found the door locked. Yet I had never felt like this with my own family. No one locked their door, there were no secrets in my family, so I left when I got bored, although I would sometimes feel like a traitor. But I didn’t feel like I was a child intruding on adult space. On the contrary, I felt that I was a free individual in the right place at the right time, and the others, of course, were completely irrelevant to me. I would stand in the hall listening to music, for instance, to music that someone was playing in their room. There is a kind of intimacy to that, isn’t there, listening to someone at home, if they don’t know that you’re listening, what you’re looking at. How I loved to listen to the music in other people’s houses, it took me back to my own home, to the piano teacher playing the piano downstairs at the house on Järnvägsgatan and how I would often open the front door, and when I was about to step inside, it was as if a secret hand grasped my upper arm, I looked up to find a face smiling down at me. It was like that, I had been so much at home in that house, I had felt so at home in that house, when I would turn the knob with my hand, the door didn’t open. I walked up to the house many times and tried to open the door myself, but always with the same result, as if it was locked, except that the door was open. In the morning when I got up I always looked to see if I was where I was supposed to be, at the kitchen table, in the corner of the bed. Even though I was at home I was never where I was supposed to be, and the door was always open. I never thought about what it might mean to open the front door and enter that house as if I were coming into my own home, except that this house was actually my own, the only place I had that was really mine. The piano teacher was my mother, but then I lived in the house, I slept there, in that room on the top floor in that very bed. And every morning I came into that house, looked for a chair in the living room where I could sit down and relax, and when I did that I realized how much I was missing my own life, I realized I was living somewhere else in someone else’s apartment, I slept there but I was nowhere. I had no home of my own. I thought this was wonderful, for no one else had a life, only I had a life, not my mother, and not the other adults in the house, who were a childless married couple who loved each other. I went into the room and sat in the armchair and listened to the music and thought that this was all right, that it was as if everything were right in my world, as if I could have a life, even though the house seemed empty, or more precisely, as if I didn’t belong.

>>20516866
b ads?

>>20516822
Is LaMDA trying to tell us something?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/11/google-ai-lamda-blake-lemoine/

It floated off without floundering. No one aboard went forward to bid him farewell, and so when he came to a particularly swift current he waved his hand and cried out, "Climb aboard and assist me." The monkeys jumped aboard, climbed astride the pole, and began rowing along behind him. The Great King sang:

"This is my training,
One that can not be fully learned from books:
To die in the place where there is always someone to remember.
I intend to find the three kinds of people,
And in learning from them how to be young forever,
I intend to escape the calamity caused by King Yama."

When he had made his way to the ends of the earth, and given instructions to the three kinds of people, the Great King looked down and saw the multitude of monkeys, and he felt proud, saying to his attendants, "Behold the Monkey King!"

"How can he be the Great King?" asked a young monkey.

"You do not know," said another monkey. "He is the Monkey King who is about to defeat all creatures on the earth. Come, it is time for him."

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Why is the bot mad at us?

>>20517168
You did not post the dick pic like it requested

where should someone start if they've never written a story before?

My novel's draft has surpassed 120k words and I have that "wrap-it-up" feeling.
Would it be a bad thing if the last (3) chapters are noticeably shorter than the ones that came before?

>>20517196
Write something and post it here. Just sit down for an hour and then post it. Will give us an idea of where you're at.

>>20517197
I vote for writing it the way you originally felt it should be written, length and all.
Is splitting it into two volumes an option?

>>20517197
Some people can resolve novels in a single battle scene (over a chapter). But you usually need to plant the seeds for this and hint where the ending is going to create denouement. I’m speaking in generalities because I have no idea what your plot is. It would be nice to know.

>>20517197
Don't worry about it being too long at this point. You'll probably cut 40k words when you edit.

>>20517230
>Is splitting it into two volumes an option?
I do have a sequel planned but I don't plan on opening the second part with what should be the first part's conclusion. >>20517238
The story is basically about a well-meaning nobleman going down a dark path juxtaposed with an asshole commoner burgeoning into a hero.
The nobleman's story has him going out into the world seeking adventure and the commoner has to defend the homestead from invaders seeking revenge for the nobleman's actions.
The climax has the two of them fighting to the death without either of the two realizing who they're even fighting as they've both become unrecognizable from their former selves.
In the remaining chapters I want to depict the nobleman's return home and ultimate corruption, with the commoner investigating his manor and learning about what happened.

>>20517196
There are a lot of resources for beginners in the OP.
Did you read it before descending into the thread and posting a comment?

>taking any of the /wg/ advice seriously
ngmi

The figures called to him, a little way back, but too far to see.

Poetus mundus.

In verse

Buck Mulligan went into the palaver shop.

Seymour sat down on the bench and waited till he had come back with a jug of water.

—You’re in good form, Haines, he said, looking him up and down.

—Yes, thank you, Seymour said.

Seymour inclined his head a little to show he was not going to make any remark.

—You won’t give me much trouble, will you? Buck Mulligan said.

—Not a bit, Haines said.

—The likes of it I’ve never given before, Buck Mulligan said.

—I don’t think we’ll have a fight, Seymour said.

—A little row, Buck Mulligan said.

He pulled on the counterpane, spread it out on the bed and got in.

It must be money, Haines said. The streets are empty.

“I’m a strait-laced Catholic, Seymour.

“Just so, Buck Mulligan said.

—I never thought you were.

“I was in a state of mind when I went into that whorehouse, Haines.

“She was going for a lucky prick, was my impression.”

“Some say so, Buck Mulligan said.

The owner brought the jug of water and emptied it into Buck Mulligan’s face.

—Drink up, now, Haines said. We’re going on a ship.

“Let me make myself comfortable first,” Buck Mulligan said.

He got out of bed, leaned on his elbow and watched Seymour’s face as he opened the glass and poured himself a tall glass of whisky. He sat down at the table and began to mix the drinks.

“This is a fellow who’s part of the establishment,” Haines said.

—Like to make a charge against you? Seymour said.

—I’m glad you mention it, Buck Mulligan said. There are things I’ve got to tell you.

“I’m not inclined to be trusting,” Haines said.

“All the way, that’s my business,” Buck Mulligan said.

He called the door. Haines rose and they went out of the palaver shop.

The sea was gentle. A breeze whistled over the water, light. Down the harbour the midday sun splashed through the white clouds.

Buck Mulligan called again and said, “Come on, Seymour.”

He began to whistle, but as they came to the end of the harbour he stopped.

—Be serious, Haines said.

Buck Mulligan turned, taking his hands from his pockets. He pushed a fresh pair of gloves on.

—I’ll be good, he said. Don’t ask me anything. I’ve got the money for my ship. You got a mortgage?

—I do, Haines said.

—I’ll be good, Buck Mulligan said. I’ll be good. I don’t want any fuss.

“You don’t seem too keen on the work,” Seymour said.

“There’s no extra money,” Buck Mulligan said.

—Have you done it before, Seymour asked.

—A good many times, Buck Mulligan said.

—When did you last do it? Seymour asked.

>mfw re-writing improves the sentences 10x fold

>>20517324
Is this Ulysses fan fiction?

>>20517345
Post the old sentence vs the new sentence. Let us be the judge.

>>20517354
I would, but it's plot specific.

>>20517276
Including your demotivational advice, obviously.
Go seethe elsewhere.

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>>20517324
First off, you don't need to format your shit like this for a 4chan post.

Secondly, you don't have to do the "*character said*" convention for every line of dialogue.

>>20517366
Post your work (pro-tip: you won't). Here is my poetry:

>1
Arms, black ropes,
Pine-oil in the eyes.
The faces flickering,
Or heard, speaking in the wind.

>2
What were they doing here, in this dank churchyard,
Where vampires had been laid?
I lay dying.

>3
Last of the summer flowers.
Blooming still.
But dark clouds are blowing in
From the north too.

>4
Raindrops dripping.
Black sky.
Blacker now.
The ancient shape:
The misty waterfall.
Distorted.

>5
O yes, the cold flesh of my parent's
Get wet, creep in deep, become part of the lake of night.

>6
What th’ oily strand cast
Vest him, madrive at the circle
Of Chaos the Piscean,
Thou wilt alight, orra, or air
Whereon the Argive ship lies,
And thou with deep-lashed eyes
But lately cast from fire,
The maiden in a river.
And Parolles, full asphodel,
Pilgriming hither from Hesperides,
Through shallow rills and secret valleys,
Out wanderer from his stern, and silent:
A bitter air and a whispering meadow,
And a rude rude shore, and silent again.
In the island he wound
And old gnarled fruit about him,
Fading with moss.
And for the dead of his care:
Thine I on days fled,
Waters tumbling, o’er hills,
Or the sand from Cyclope.
In Oceanus, undimmed, unending,
Unfading, always wild.
And Atlantis.
So I said to him: “So far, the ship-star; but now its day
Falls even, and the sun...

>>20517387
I actually quite liked your 6th verse, but I would advise to not to fall into old trappings of using "O'" or "o'er".

I think you're actually quite good at wordplay, because it reminds met alot of my style of writing (and i'm da best). I would suggest trying to modernise your prose, because not all great poetry has to have a set requirement of outdated usage.

>>20515665
Oh, Gardener was the author of that crocodile book? I remember seeing 4chan ads for it a couple of years ago and never really looking into it.

>>20517405
>I actually quite liked your 6th verse, but I would advise to not to fall into old trappings of using "O'" or "o'er".
Oh sorry, is this better?

>7
You were not with Apollo, when the apples came rolling out of the basket?
In any case they would have been dead,
because someone had already eaten them.
All, too, when the golden-palms went up in autumn
and the sun went down at night?
All, too, when Aphrodite pined to be inside her house,
and the love of Thais went back into Artemis's house?
Saying
to his Iacchus: "Look you at her-whiteness, long eyelashes,
She's painted in them. Look at her smell-fumes!
Shoo, go away. Withdraw. Retreat."
And when she spake
to her Venus: "Aphrodite! Cupid of sacred wood, great Cupid,
Thoth-name! Pleiades! The brightest stars, your names are there!"
Who will answer me?
A sound must I make to understand the words of so much love?
Do you hear?
Listen, you vine, vine, by the low sea,
and bring the wine in shade-light!
And from the elfin pinnacle, swan-
wings spreading, singing down the ravine,
Swans on the sea! And once you heard them roll
golden fruit out of the basket, and once they told you, "Look at the loveliness of youth."
With a voice like air, and under the arches of reeds, you
heard the tale of the goddess Arge-neith,
who, painting on the walls of a temple,
stood up with paintbrush in hand. And when her husband came in, she showed him
her picture. He sat there and scratched it with his finger
and whirled round, and rubbed his chin.
And in my hour of darkness I heard the sea-birds
serenade the dwelling of the goddess Hebe in her shrine
in our steads;
to hear the song of darters, and the whistling of skimmers,
and the soft, warm rippling of the reeds.
In any case...
You were not with Apollo, when the golden apples came rolling out of the basket?
In any case they would have been dead, because someone had already eaten them.
All, too, when the golden-palms went up in autumn
and the sun went down at night?
All,

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>>20517414
It has a kino twist.

what would you call A SOC, where the whole purpose is to not come to an answers, but see what is there from just fumbling around? Thinking aloud? Mainly for discussing philosophy.

With that Which topic sounds more interesting to you guys.

The justification of Using psychedelics instead of lethal warfare in an attempt to save lives by causing the opponent to question what they are fighting for. (instead your own MMx4 reference here)

Or

The concept that "free speech" is only free speech, when that speech isn't trying to take others speech?

I'm still working on what I call my "preface/ About this project" , and I have couple of word docs just there with a few ideas and simple fleshed out enough to be consider an "idea point".

The audience/goal? Just put Idea/talking points out for anyone willing to listen/ wanting to discuss said topic/idea. Yes I plan to go mainly with off the wall type ideas for sake of trying something different. Think rationalwiki but less being a fucking tool and apologist.

>>20515652
what would you call A SOC, where the whole purpose is to not come to an answers, but see what is there from just fumbling around? Thinking aloud? Mainly for discussing philosophy.

With that Which topic sounds more interesting to you guys.

The justification of Using psychedelics instead of lethal warfare in an attempt to save lives by causing the opponent to question what they are fighting for. (instead your own MMx4 reference here)

Or

The concept that "free speech" is only free speech, when that speech isn't trying to take others speech?

I'm still working on what I call my "preface/ About this project" , and I have couple of word docs just there with a few ideas and simple fleshed out enough to be consider an "idea point".

The audience/goal? Just put Idea/talking points out for anyone willing to listen/ wanting to discuss said topic/idea. Yes I plan to go mainly with off the wall type ideas for sake of trying something different. Think rationalwiki but less being a fucking tool and apologist.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/55012/almas-dreams-are-default

Just released another chapter of my Lovecraft fantasy wank.

>>20517450
>>>/pol/ is that way

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>>20517500
>philosophy is /LIT/

this isnt to be a shitting post, its to actually discuss merit.

>>20517450
are you R.C. Waldun?

>>20517611
no I am not, can I ask why do you ask?

>>20516831
Who knows. Speaking of which. Where do self published authors normally even buy ads from? FB? Amazon?

>>20517618
you sound like him.

>>20517387
I think I would like this more if it was an actual epic instead of what to me reads like a random mishmash of greak gods doing things. Your poems to me lack a strong clear moral message.

>>20517624
>Who knows. Speaking of which. Where do self published authors normally even buy ads from? FB? Amazon?
Facebook, reddit, instagram, and then they do those twitter posts where you post your book and share it with others. Also, I think a lot of self published authors go to writing conventions with a box of books and try to sell them, talk to people, and just have fun.

>>20517752
Talking to people sounds like the opposite of fun.

>>20517655
is that good or bad?

>>20517777
Are you sure you want to be a writer then? Half of the time you have to answer fan correspondence, attend book tours, do public readings, do interviews, meet up with other authors or professionals, and maybe even be invited to teach or judge a prize. If you don't want to do any of that, don't expect to be noticed or make any money.

>>20517788
Pretty sure F Gardner does none of that

>>20517788
I want to write things, I don't want to do any of those other things. I'm fine with this.

>>20517792
Based.

>>20517792
F Gardner has middling reviews on Amazon, and I doubt he's made more than a few hundred sales. He hasn't made any money compared to what he spent on advertising.
>>20517794
That's fine. Just write.

>>20517792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLfrpEAfB8
Here is Gardner is an interview anyway.

>book 2 first draft comprete!
>its like i finished taking a massive mental shit.
>book one and two will get roughly a month of touch up.
>then ill sperg them onto the interwebs whilst writing three and four.

>spent 2 hours trying to make a paragraph feel perfect again

>>20517752
My greatest fear as a writer is that I will never attract an audience because I'm banned from reddit and twitter. And probably facebook, I forget.

I fucking hate social media.

>>20517921
Maybe there's nowhere to get to. Maybe the journey was the destination.

>>20516785
A lot of RR peeps post very short snappy chapters but I prefer longer ones. I'd rather have 40 5k. word chapters than 100 2k word chapters. I don't have a chapter that goes below 3.5k. My longest is 6k, for a very intense pivotal plot moment. On avg they are about 4k ish.

There was an elderly man, his face grooved and short cropped hair already turned white. He was standing next to a table displaying small bottles, and in these bottles was cleaning fluid meant for eyeglasses.
Christian and Camilla had no glasses, so they were able to pass by him unmolested, the man's faded blue eyes darting past them to watch for potential customers coming in. But for a brief moment his eyes met Christian's and in that moment something passed between them, as if they were both open books to one another and the stories of their lives past, present and future were writ large on their faces.
Oh, you think yourself better than me, the salesman thought, that you can pass me by and forget I ever existed. You pity me, for I have to bow and scrape and plead with people all day, beg for their attentions and try to sell them something they don't need or want. You are disgusted by me, because you feel afraid of sharing my fate, that if your grand plans fail you may end up where I am, publicly humiliated day in and day out, feeling the scorn of your fellow man.
Do you have the strength to look into the eyes of someone who is repulsed by you, to ignore that and smile, to sell, sell, sell? No, you couldn't do it. But I can. I'm long past feeling shame. I'd throw myself on the ground and lick the dirt and dogshit off the soles of every shoe that walked in here if it meant I could sell but a single bottle, and this frightens you.
You are weak, as I am weak, but you are brittle and would break here, where as I merely bend, bend and bend. And if you found yourself at wit's end, forced into this line of work and begged me for advice, for help? I'd ignore you as you ignore me now.
Such thoughts Christian read in the blink of an eye, and they passed as quickly, leaving behind only a sense of discomfort, a slight churning of the stomach, a feeling that things were ill and would not grow better again.

>tfw you could be listed in the OP if you didn't have a complex about self-promotion/shilling

>>20515652
where can I pirate COC? I'm planning on buying it if i like it

>>20518010
name your book, anon

>>20517994
I didn't like the the first two sentences but everything else was nice and gave me a hearty kek

>>20518035
Were it so easy to defeat self-doubt. Especially when the first real review it's gotten rates it a 3/5. It's not worth reading apparently, even if I am confident it's leagues beyond half the shit in the OP

>>20518047
Christian is riddled with insecurities and constantly having flights of fancy like this, he's fun to write.

>>20518078
one man's 3/5 is another man's 5/5.

I'm working on a /lit/tle witch academia fanfiction. I'll be extending night fall (see picrel), with my own ideas, characters, and plotlines. Would anyone be interested in reading the finished product? I'm not too sure where to post it.

>>20518159
I'm planning on writing a fanfic as well to practice my flow and had been eyeing Scribblehub for a while now go check there. FanFiction.net seemed to be dead (as in no one reads there anymore) the last time I checked.

>>20518170
Cool, thanks. I'll check there.

>>20517937
Make new accounts, dingus

>>20518266
It's an IP problem. Every time I make a new account, a few days later I get banned for ban evasion. And these days they require phone numbers and all this other bullshit, it's just getting too hard to evade the bans.

>>20518322
you don't have to make a new email for reddit

>>20518329
I don't know what to say, man. Every time I make a new reddit account, I get four days into it and then I get a ban evasion notice and the whole account is wiped. It doesn't matter if I create a new email or not.

>>20518351
i can help you legit. Im from /g/entooman territory

so I was playing dota 2 and a sperglord called me bad, I doxxed him and found his work, but instead of being pyscho, I reeled myself in a wrote the start of a short story to vent.

how shit is it.

https://pastebin.com/LCNn3VDA

(she going to approach him when he is on his smoke break, where they are no cameras to complain, and this is where he going to snap, and get a taste for blood)

>>20518380
Are you okay anon?

>>20517937
You will never attract an audience most likely because you're a raving /pol/tard. Fortunately, your kind typically filters themselves from public attention, as demonstrated

>>20518380
I would tell you it's shit but then you'd probably try to murder me. Either way, work on your flow.

>>20518413
Man, you belong on reddit, that's exactly the sort of idiotic leap to conclusions they love over there. You're all fire, ready, aim!

>>20518380
It's pretty shit. You didn't exactly grab me with the woe-is-me opening, but you lost me at the unironic use of "karen." I mean, you're doing a good job of capturing a voice, it's just that it's the voice of an obnoxious shitbag I don't want to spend any time with.

I suggest writing from the perspective that human beings aren't inherently shit.

i’m such a dude they call me jeff bridges
my bars so fire people think it’s sacrilegious
i got publications and they all prestigious
yo bitch suck me off more than midges

>>20518449
10/10 thanks for the honest review.

>>20518431
nah, thats the point of trying to vent.

>>20518449
i mean he dead on the inside, trying to reflect that this dude is not okay, not a good person, and is a dexter.

if that is how im aiming, for the audience to hate him, did I succeed then?

>>20518529
Sure. Totally. It's just, you know, who wants to hang around in the head of That Guy? People don't like to read stories about people they hate.

But if you're just writing to vent, then who cares? It's not for an audience.

>>20518078
Here’s your problem. You sound like a fag and your books not half as good as you think it is. That’s why I gave it a 3/5.

>>20515744
Yes it's me, the one anon who bought Eggplant. I still need to get Woolston's second story collection and really now I want to see more from this board on the literary side. My big hope is K-anon improves and gets prolific. Of course I hope I make it too, Ive recently quit video games entirely and got far more confidence after forcing myself to do writing exercises for hours. I really want to get something Southern Gothic out there and I hope /wg/ will like it.

>>20516346
I havent dropped one yet but I did consider putting some big ideas into a anime tier dark fantasy and the decided to bust my outline up into literary short stories. I dont want to tell the story with will-to-power magic system anymore though it could sell better as a franchise because I was planning 4 gd books.
I have to really think about or care about something to start writing it, but writing it the wrong way makes me stop. If anything I might give up on the historical fiction I intend to finish after I publish a couple novels, because if it gets any notoriety like I intend the backlash might make a lot of enemies.

>>20518760
can you give me examples of the writing exercises you have been doing?

For all its faults, /wg/ is a good general. I just went over to /classical/ on /mu/ to ask a singing question and it only took me 3 seconds of scrolling to realize it was unsalvagably bad.

Does this dialogue work?

“Gah!” Ostra’s concentration shattered when a queer creature climbed on his chest. Ostra jumped up and the critter tumbled into the water. It’s fat body wriggled and submerged. ‘Was that a snake?”
“That was Tonka. He is an atsila skink.”
Ostra looked up and saw a man seated on the lip of the pool near to the mouth of the cave. The candlelight was to the man’s back casting his face in shadow.
“Elder Nyith!”
The man nodded.
“Sorry teacher, might I ask why is there a skink in this place of healing?”
“This is your first time here, young one.”
“Y-yes-”
The elder held up his hand. “Long ago when your great grandparents were still young and I was but a baby, we wandered the land. When I was old enough to speak, our people by Toh’s guidance, found this place. The weather was robust for growing our herbs and roots, but temperate enough not to freeze or burn. This land was blessed with frequent rain that make the crops grow, high grasses for game to cheweth, and a river that sparkles from the abundance of fish.”
Ostra looked at the skink climbing out of the bath and onto a small ledge with a candle.
“My father, Pontkap, built this dwelling here because the stone is good for storage.” The Elder gestured toward whatever was outside the cave. Ostra had no idea where he was until he saw the Elder. This bath must be in the recesses of the apothecary.
“...One day, I found that skink grazing on dandelions set out to dry. I made a pathetic attempt to catch the lizard when it darted toward the back. I saw it scurry into a crevice and heard a splash-”
There was an unintelligible call from beyond the entranceway.
“Anyway this story has gone on long enough. I’m sure you can figure out where it's going. Now you can soak in there a while longer, the climb will be easy if you are properly healed. Ah, Tonka won’t bite. Actually, Atsila skinks never bite, but legend has it they occasionally breathe fire.”
Ostra sat back down in the warm silky waters sighing. Ostra did not mind sharing the bath, but two questions floated into his mind. “How old was Tonka? …and where did he relieve himself?” Ostra climbed out of the bath.

>>20518960
None of that work for me anon, sorry to say.

>>20518760
>My big hope is K-anon improves and gets prolific
I hope I'm improving too. Thanks for reading Emily Project. I have posted my second work on here but nobody is really reading it. And the critiques moved away from grammar and word choice to style and preferences. So I think I'm improving?

>>20519013
*works

>>20519013
any specific issues so i can make it more acceptable?

https://pastebin.com/ngw9GadL
This is an intense scene I'm trying to get right...

>>20519116
>His pillion clung to the breast of the creature, and, while a fearful scream rent the air and a brief stab of a fierce clawed talon pierced the air, he began to whistle a mad, horrible, morbid, and terrible tune.

this sentence needs work. overall I have no context it seems pretty good to me

What's stopping me from cheating and starting now?

>>20519153
Nothing, really. You're just rolling the dice on whether or not your pre-written material ends up fitting the theme.

>>20519055
I don't have time today to give much feedback and with that excerpt I wouldn't be sure where to start. Though something I'll mention briefly is that the first exclamation
>"Gah!"
isn't necessary dialogue. I would've written that first sentence slightly differently,
>“Gah!” Ostra’s concentration shattered when a queer creature climbed on his chest.
becomes
>Ostra let out a brief cry and his concentration quickly turned to dismay when a queer creature climbed on his chest.
The issue here isn't with the word choice, that's another matter, but you're bringing attention to the specific sound of Ostra's cry when you shouldn't be. When it comes to exclamations they're better off described rather than spoken as dialogue. Other than that, you've got to focus more on the place and space your characters are in. Perhaps there's more description before or after the excerpt, but there's certainly not a lot in it.
The second bit of dialogue
>"Was that a snake?"
is an alright line but not in the context provided. The audience is intrigued also, but why is he asking a question out loud when he's supposedly alone, he should be thinking that not saying it. Or, perhaps more realistically, Ostra would exclaim out loud again, rather than thinking or asking a question. You don't get any sense of reaction in the dialogue and there are a few inconsistencies as to how the scene is portrayed and how the characters are speaking.
So in regard to your question
>Does this dialogue work?
No and not necessarily because the dialogue is bad, but because the scene is all dialogue. It needs more actions, descriptions of the characters, descriptions of the location, prose in general. The dialogue itself isn't enough, especially as you've written it.

Post your email if you want me to send some proper feedback sometime tomorrow.

>>20518799
I cant go into detail right now but the biggest exercise was forcing myself to stream of consciousness write for 8 hours without fear that I write anything worthless. Just getting my mind moving helped me discover alot. I've also studied scansion to have a deeper understanding of subtle tricks on emphasis with a couple lines.
>>20519017
What's the next project?

>>20519239
i appreciate the feedback. i dont have a burner email currently but once I get one set up ill post

currently doing 22 wpm atm
but 1150 words of 1350 written in an hours was just exposition for me to understand where i was in the story...

>>20519153
When you cheat, you’re only cheating yourself out of an honest victory.

Why is it every book I read about writing stresses planning and outlines but on forums and discords people only ever talk about pantsing and discovery writing?
Who is right?

>>20519468
Both. You plan it out, but thrown in discovery writing because the story shifts that way then you find a way to shift back to your original plans

>>20519468
>people who have published books vs people on the internet
Gee I wonder who knows what they're talking about

>>20519468
What I know of established writers is that they nearly always outline, but if an idea isn't working, they learn to innovate and make sure they have enough room and skill to be executing it properly. We can't know everything a priori, not even the pros. Sometimes they just know when something feels right, and stick to that. We have to experiment and see what works, or what doesn't. I would say pantsing or plantsing is probably not the way to go, but there are elements that will not be planned on day 1.

>>20519468
>>20519476
that seems to be the opposite of my experience. i read authors i like talking about their process and they stress invention, spontaneity, organic development etc, i look online and i see a million dorks plotting their fantasy saga seven volumes ahead and obsessing over "worldbuilding."

>>20519503
Worldbuilding is not outlining. Outlining is what actually happens in your story, worldbuilding is writing a handbook for your homebrew tabletop RPG

>>20519468
Those who would write a book about that are used to working with deadlines, so they structure their work process to fit with all the requirements, personal and corporate. Internet people write whenever and are more worred about writing what they want and not being too much like some other thing.

What do you think of the opening pages of my script. It's a bout a cop who investigates a child sex ring. The characters suppose to be a misanthrope.

>>20519507
and yet people do it prior to writing fiction

>>20519544
Wow amazing, so naturally spoken, it's like I can hear the characters come to life in my head! AHHHHHH~//~~l'lk

I may have a problem. I'm writing a novel that's a bit similar to Moby Dick, in that the protagonist is a vengeance obsessed captain who is seen through the eyes of a new crewman who is the narrator of the book. The issue I'm worried about is that the depth of the captain's obsession isn't revealed until the middle of the second act. Likewise, the narrator doesn't have much initiative of his own until the same point when he begins to realize the danger he's in from throwing in with the captain.
Will readers be interested in the story if neither of the focus characters have a solid goal until halfway through, or will they give up when it seems like their arcs aren't progressing anywhere?

>>20519546
Well they're idiots, aren't they?

>>20519551
It's not wise to rehash a story honestly.
As for arcs, just try to show that the characters want literally anything in the story. Can't you plant the seeds of that at the start when they're introduced? Even if it's just money, a special food item, or a bit of time to themselves.

Someone finally explain this pic

>>20519468
steven king and george rr martin discovery write
brandosando outlines

my guess is the discovery writers have an outline but it's in their head and not written down. at least a very rough outline

>>20519551
maybe a prologue? have an exciting prologue at the beginning?

>>20519566
It's a descent into schizophrenia.

>>20519550
Well if that's your first reaction you're probably right.

>>20519560
Not really an intentional rehash, just a comparison I realized after developing the cast and figured would be a useful shorthand to explain the presentation of the two characters who get the most focus. On the next point, with what I currently have the narrator at the beginning believes he has just gotten what he ultimately wanted by joining the crew, and the captain is presented as a distant and enigmatic figure. I can change this, but as I see things now it would require reworking much of the second act and almost all of the third.
>>20519580
I do have an action filled opening to serve as a hook as well as exciting scenes throughout the first act. My worry is that it comes across as disconnected throwaway adventures until the consequences become apparent, and that without an emotional tie to the characters readers will become bored before that point.

>>20519572
King said that plot was a crutch for weak writers and that he focused on characters and let them take him where they wanted to go. I generally agree as well, but if a story can genuinely prioritize plot and uses characters as tools, it can be an exhilarating read. Thrillers, I've found, are often like this.

>>20519551
>Will readers be interested in the story if neither of the focus characters have a solid goal until halfway through
No. You should note how in MD we're given hints of the greater goal very early on and other elements to set up tension and give intrigue. Even the parts that readers now laugh at, like the chapters about whale types and anatomy; that was the only source of marine information many kids had before TV and wikipedia, a treasure trove of real life knowledge to hook the audience.

>>20517937
Try a penname and be more subtle in your writing. Higher forms of wit, less didactic, more pov from each view and really getting into the why every character wants what they want. Good literature gives no clear answers, but try to present your ideas nonetheless. Ray Bradbury used to get called simultaneously a black hater and a black lover for his writing simply because he was presenting a full spectrum of an issue. Dont get discouraged just because contemporaries don't wanna face the music. We have no excuse to go a full generation without literature elucidating the issues that actually bother us so much people get hostile.

>>20518078
If it's who I think it is I reviewed that. I think youve got a good heart and really want you to write more. You have to break free of that mindset and change how you approach the writing process if perfectionism slows you down. Get the ideas and voices down and pick it apart later.
Don't be harsh on yourself, I want to see your next book.

>>20519614
>I do have an action filled opening to serve as a hook as well as exciting scenes throughout the first act. My worry is that it comes across as disconnected throwaway adventures until the consequences become apparent, and that without an emotional tie to the characters readers will become bored before that point.
yeah, if you could get the antagonist to make an appearance in act 1 and 1/4 into act 2, that would help.
i haven't read your manuscript, but it sounds like it does have a major problem
flashbacks might help
or even a flash forward

>>20519572
IIRC GRRM has said in interviews that he started out with a very sparse outline but shifted to a more complex and thorough planning format when the story started getting big.

Last thread I was told the blurb for my story was dull. I think I got too caught up in avoiding anything vaguely spoilery in there (I might not have even mentioned characters’ names). Is this better?

A worker goblin in service of the Dread Lord isn't expected to do much more than maintain the sprawling, underground Machines Works. Although an imaginative youth, Tad had long accepted that he'd likely end up an old man, toiling among the gears and cranks of the machines. His boss, Glum, was happy enough with that life. However, when an It’s ambitious and enigmatic orc named Hohza recruits the pair into his War Party, they must instead battle dwarves, sprites, and elves in the name of the Dread Lord Withering Sorrows. If Tad survives, he may get to experience a world wider than he'd ever dreamed ... which may be too much for everyone else!

>>20518599
>you're doing a good job of capturing a voice,
can you explain what you mean by this more so I can understand what im doing "right"?

do you guys burn incense while you write?

>>20520006
Not him but a good voice has a consistent way of talking or thinking, something that's grounded in origin and experience. Personally I write some characters I know contemporaries might despise but that's why he gets a redemption arc where he wants to escape his vice but goes about it in an unhelpful way. A character reflecting on the potential that he's wrong can help readers relate, maybe respect but not fully like.

Are there any guides which would tell me how to develop my own unique voice as a writer?

>>20520103
write different genres or temperaments, try a different short story each week. Shorts are great practice to compose a narrative and edit anyways. You or a reader may identify that one voice "resonates" well with you. A sarcastic author like Vonnegut found himself doing comedy and farce, whereas Dan Wells wrote for years in scifi before he realized his grim voice was perfect for horror and dystopian scifi. For me I've been told that my voice is quaint, humble and dark if not angry. I'd agree and why I've shifted a lot of my stories drafts to something akin to drama.

do you guys listen to anything while you write?
hang drums or primitive music really helps me become absorbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYkWvxbYNY

>>20520267
Yes, usually some unobtrusive jazz or maybe something else if the mood is different. Always without vocals though or else I'll get distracted.

>>20520094
so do you agree what I wrote has a good voice?

jwing since youre a new anon

>>20519967
Everything except the last two sentences are irrelevant and/or contradictory.

Do you think it is fair to say you can judge by two paragraphs of an opening chapter if a story is going to be worth your time?

>>20520436
Depends, if it like twilight and not in my realm of interest sure.

if it a philosophy book where I need to see the whole scope to get it, no.

>>20520436
depends i would say the first chapter is usually tedious but the second chapter defines the style and pace of the book better. The second chapter is where I make the decision to drop or continue

>>20520436
When you've read enough books, the opening sentence alone tells you exactly what kind of person the author is and how much he's written before.

I've just started a grad job and am feeling a bit anxious and upset that now I have considerably less free time. Do any other anons with jobs want to give any advice about being able to enjoy hobbies (particularly writing) while having a full time job?

>>20520512
>any advice about being able to enjoy hobbies (particularly writing) while having a full time job?
Yeah. Just give up

>>20520267
I have a generic playlist of moody music to relax but if I am on a late draft (3rd, 4th or 5th) them I make a special playlist, one track for each chapter. First novel was all nocturnes by Chopin.

>>20520512
Full time is 8 hrs/day. That should leave you with enough time to dedicate at LEAST 4 hours daily to any hobbies.

>>20520541
I'm hoping that once I get in more of a routine that I'll have the energy in the evenings to commit to hobbies. Maybe I'm just feeling extra tired and depressed because it's day 1.

I’m reading Call of the Crocodile right now. This is legitimately the most schizophrenic book I have ever read.

>>20520353
Well yes it's good, I think you know exactly how to write in the right mood and have good flow. Try to stretch the voice into different perspectives if possible. Characters from other backgrounds, hobbies, etc. I've tried to do characters more violent, more depressed or antisocial, less honest, more enthusiastic or social, more rich or poor than myself. I think with your level of empathy you could get into another character's shoes and still tell a story "in your voice" where its composed in your unique style but still fresh.

>>20516785
Depends on the release schedule. Most people go for between 6k and 10k words per week. I find average chapter lengths are around 2k-3k, but for stories that only update infrequently it can be much higher.

>>20520436
Absolutely. To steal Sandersneeds meme, you don't need to hear a musician play for more than a minute to know generally how good they are, same applies to writing. First lines are overrated but yea within 2-5 paragraphs you have a pretty good sense of the author's skill.

>>20520512
What's helped me is to add writing on my phone (Google docs) so I can do little 15 minute sprints here and there. Also just give yourself time, schedule transitions like that are tiring as you have higher cognitive load doing all the small things in life but it improves.

share your sentence formulas

>>20520436
I can judge from that if it won't be worth my time, mainly by looking for incredibly obvious spelling errors or stupid trope bullshit. I've dropped a few stories over the first paragraph mixing up tenses or using the wrong "there/their/they're".

>>20520426
WTF is the blurb supposed to do then? Based on your response, introducing characters/setting is the wrong thing.

>>20520436
If you can't judge a book by the first word it throws at you, you've failed as a writer. Lurk and read more.

>>20520512
I'm at work 7-5 but I get some down time to read.
>read in the morning and lunch, at least one short story and part of a novel
>converse with coworkers or jot down prose or ideas, keywords as you can
>humbly talk to people about managing a writing project or reading in hopes you may build a network, maybe that girl in the marketing dept is published or some other connection
>go home and read a bit more
>write
>meal prep all your food on the weekend to save time

>>20520585
Maybe I'll move some stuff to google docs and see how that goes. I'm hoping you're right that it'll improve, I get a little anxious when things change anyway, so I'm sure I'll just need to adjust a bit.

>>20520638
I normally do 90% of my reading in the hour or two before bed, so that's going to be a pretty easy routine to keep. Mealprep might be a good idea, but I also cook for my gf and she's picky as fuck, so I don't know how that'll work.

>>20520603
Not him, but someone once told me that the best blurb is basically a one paragraph version of your first chapter, followed by a sentence to hook the reader.

>>20520590
>end sentence with ",gerund."
>end sentence with a preposition.
I keep doing this because I read way too much Faulkner.

>>20519566

I explain it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsLfrpEAfB8&t=33s

>>20520088
Based incense fag. I got my whole frat addicted to this stuff.

>>20520088
I would but I've got crippling hay fever and this stuff sets it off like nothing else

I'm writing a detective story, and I just realized that there's still some aspects of police procedure that I don't know about. Specifically, the protagonist needs to see some phone records. Would he have to contact a judge and get a subpoena before calling the phone company? Or could he just call the phone company directly and ask for it?
Besides that, does anyone know of any resources for doing research into police policies/investigation procedures/forensics?

>>20520267
Yeah, stuff that gets me into an "out of it" or "detached from reality" mindset, helps me get my ideas into writing much easier

>>20520575
then why did this anon say my flow needed work?
>>20518431
Im just trying to get feedback, thanks so far.

Yea I closed my eyes and I could see the grocery store, I was the dude ringing up the things, I said those things in my head. that how I was able to write that. I was living his shitty life, I lived in his apartment. IDK how, I just some how emobidy it, its like this switch I can turn on an off when Im SUPER in an emotiom, I can just channel it?

are there other writers like that?

thats how I wrote it, idk what you call that, but I can just close my eyes and live that life.

>>20520650
I’ll give that a shot. Thanks.

My opening line.

>Crabs have a peculiar habit.

>>20520708
Sorry bro I was mixing up my yous. I stand by most of what I said but I guess mix up your sentence structure. Dont be afraid of simple sentences but complex ones have a lot of potential for expression.

>>20520759
ok are you this anon
>>20518431

or this anon
>>20520094


once I know, ill be full circle

>>20520685
Literally just watch as many police procedural shows as you can. It may not give you what's 100% accurate, but it'll show you what the audience expects.

>>20520806
I've read like a bajillion detective novels and seen a whole bunch of movies. It's just that they don't always depict the sorts of things that I need to know.

>>20520799
>>20520708
Not the one you're talking with atm, but I am the one who said work on your flow. I could explain if you'd like.

Summer Bloom was this absolutely well put together kinda girl. I liked her and everything, she had great legs. Not only that - I mean, that played a significant part, but she was genuinely well put together. Really together, like remarkably so. A person whose life was going somewhere and out this dreadful country. She modeled on the side. She acted on the side. She got straight As. Everyone liked her basically, I don't know how she slept she had everyone eating out the palm of her hand all the time. It was totally great I outranked her.

She only ran for student parliament because, well, why wouldn't she? I only won president because I had served a term the previous year. Back when Bloom was in Tel Aviv, being well put together that side. President of school parliament there too, I guess. Head girl, definitely. She showed everyone a magazine once and it was in Hebrew, sure. But it also had her face on it. Smiling on the front cover.

I am not jealous. It's Luna Carrol who wants to peel her skin off and wear it like a mascot suit, not me. No, I actually have standards and principles. Like I am perfectly happy to take my victories where and when they're not pyrrhic. I have a lot of those, anyway. My pride has taken enough of the punches to the face that I don't need Summer Bloom foiling my murder plot, too. If people say my name for one year at this miserable high school, I'll take it. Not like with her around that Arabella-Lily Delacroix is getting any better.

>>20520685
the tv series, "the wire", is all about a phone tap.
they had to get a warrant
"the wire" is very realistic
see if you can find a cop who'll talk to you

how does one break into the erotica market and make money. i dont need a living supplement, but some nice pocket change would be good

>>20515668
protestant nonsense

>>20520858
please, Like you can be honest, but dont try to use it to take emotions out.

keep in mind I am functionally illiterate, as my kindergarden,1st, and 2nd grade teacher [same teacher all years] (private school) said it wasnt her job to teach me the difference between a verb, noun, and adjective. (I have brain dmg)

>>20520922
better than catholic nonce sense

>>20520799
I was the second anon.

>>20520006
What I mean is that your prose is pretty solid, that your sentences and paragraphs are well-constructed and are easy to read.

Your words choices are consistent and correct, and your characters thoughts and actions are all coherent -- he's not changing into a different person from paragraph to paragraph. You establish right away that he's a misanthrope, and his thoughts remain consistent throughout.

I'd like to see you write something that is more positive, with a protagonist who isn't so misanthropic. You have promise, and I think with a little work you could be producing worthwhile material, but I just don't want to read about an asshole who is an "abyss of a person, a husk, a philosophical zombie that walked among mortals."

Can I give you a writing assignment if I promise to give you thorough feedback?

>>20520924
I would strongly suggest reading each sentence out loud to listen for flow. It can be similar to changing the font or font size and catching a bunch of previously unseen mistakes.
I don't know how long you've been lurking these threads, but there was some very good advice from an anon last month about mouth side preference. If that's a little too complex for you, don't worry, just throw in some light alliteration wherever you can. It can achieve the same effect.
I would also work on my wit if I were you. Generally when I read a story here I'm able to find at least one line that I see the author had a real pride in. That one sentence you know may have come before anything else with the rest of the story simply built around it. I didn't feel that same passion here. Felt as though it was just stream of consciousness.
Many of your sentences require full stops instead of comma.
Do not all-caps dialogue for yelling.
Try not to have two characters speaking in the same paragraph. It's quite jarring.
Many spelling mistakes such as
>“again, You total today is $37.65
>the woman unsure how to respond to the sleeping giants gentle response after her little triad
I assume you meant "tirade" instead of triad.


I would also disagree with the compliment you received on your voice. You're clearly writing in your own voice, and while this isn't an outright bad thing, your voice is the exact same voice just about anyone would use for this character.
Check out Pratchett's writing if you want to see what a consistent and unique voice sounds like. He also has great dialogue.

Can I get some feedback on outline for a first arc for a video game i'm making

It is about a convict who has been sent to a colony at an alien planet and forced to work there among the other convicts. He wants his freedom. Unfortunately the other convicts near him are unsupportive and aggressive towards him since his ideas of escape or riot leads to collective punishment from the security guards.
When his hope is lost, a higher-up security officer who saw his home planets culture and values be eroded and replaced by the corporation pulls the convict aside and offers to help him escape if he can help sabotage part of the colony to stop them from "destroying" the native culture and have the convict take the blame and then subsequently escape and hide on the planet rather than the officer since he has a family back home and don't want to risk it. The plan goes wrong when another different prisoner sees the convict sneak out and calls for the guards who give chase and then also notice the officer who is remotely opening doors and aiding the convict.
They manage to steal a small craft and escape and hide together but without sabotaging the facility. Unfortunately, they notice the small craft belonged to the chief of the colony and inside is a laptop containing information regarding plans to sabotage and indirectly attack the planets local population and they are now being hunted by the corporation.

>>20520685
Buy this:
>https://www.amazon.com/Police-Procedural-Writers-Guide-Howdunit/dp/0898795966

>>20521144
sounds like Outer Worlds but faaaar more compelling.

what style is the game? point-and-click, FPS, fallout 1&2 like, etc? games with great story can have the story accentuated by a more minimalist art direction

>>20521182
thanks, it's supposed to be an fps rpg kind of like fallout and outer worlds but i plan on making it a bit more alien and fantasy like with unrealistic situations and abilities. the main thing i think will be difficult is managing different dialogue options and having them impact the story rather than railroading everything

Oh shit REAL feedback! I am going to put a Trip, not that I want attention, just I plan to come back and improve.

>>20521124 (Part 1)
>I'd like to see you write something that is more positive, with a protagonist who isn't so misanthropic. You have promise, and I think with a little work you could be producing worthwhile material, but I just don't want to read about an asshole who is an "abyss of a person, a husk, a philosophical zombie that walked among mortals."

*THIS IS NOT OF WOE IS ME*

See, let me explain a bit about myself, I do not have a left prefrontal cortex, had an accident because of my father that cause me to have reconstructive surgery before age 5.

ever since then we think I have some from of synesthesia(As I can see my minds eye and reality, clear as day, at the same time always, no this isnt schizo, i wish it was)

[it never stops, the minds eye just keeps going showing images/movies/sounds/etc and I see it and just know, not in english but it takes me awhile to decipher it]

and advent savant syndrome syndrome with things with math and fractals.If I look at plants and tree, specifically there leaves, I can see the factual of how they are growing, specifically in a plane over a forest... thats some trippy shit for me.... specifically computers and understanding how a CPU works on a dope silicon level. I never finished college because "work for hire" disgust me, No one owns my mind..... This is my sanctum.. my fortress of solitude, A place where no one else is allowed.

more context, I also more then likely have DPDR, Both of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization-derealization_disorder
Ive tried 12 different anti-phyocotics, 6 mood stabilziers, every SSRI/SDRI, lithium, and a few others over the past decade.

The only thing that helps is cannabis to numb it all. however in that state, Its weird... Like I said I have synesthesia.

I work on a mountain farming cannabis, and I have a house at age 29(modular home with 10 acres) paid off, when im not staying on the mountain working (I have semi retired to take care of other things)

I buried myself in work ever since 16, and college, I would work 12 hours days, go to school, and then sleep.

it was a crutch to just ignore it.. However I got to the point of where i have financial and providing for myself... So once my brain caught up, I am in a solid place, it went, TIME TO PAY ATTENTION, and kicked in the overday.

what it really is Ive never learned to live with it, and this is what this writing is in a way. People always tell me I am great and public speaking when we met, and I feel proud to say if we talked over voice, I think you would be inclined to agree.
so Im just.. trying to learn to live with my condition.. as it not going away.. and quite frankly my therapist and physch looked and me said "You're not crazy, you have to live how to deal with this, and we can only really be here as grounding spaces now since we medically have tried everything else.

>>20521304
>>20521124

if you can imagine i am a wallflower, I live outside the walls of live, I van life before it was a thing with solar and 100 gallon water bladder.

so L'Étranger really is like my essence in a way. Philosophy has always been a guiding post for me. For some reason, just reading camul, niethzsche, plato, and others... Its helped me, Idk why, maybe it how my soul is if I have one.

TL:DR
so to sum this up, I have a unique vision, unique thoughts, I am not better or worse then anyone, I am here. I want to finally write the 30+ years of thoughts in my head on paper, as I always wanted to write what I feel/see/hear/know, but I never had the confidence till recently to attempt.

MY closest friends have been pushing me so hard, and I finally somehow jumped over that internally six foot wall and said " I AM FREE, NO MORE, NO MAN CAN TOUCH ME FOR I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT" type shit. not that im immortal or god... I just realize that, when you mentally realize, that there is nothing a person can do to end a mind, you are truely free from all bonds.

>Can I give you a writing assignment if I promise to give you thorough feedback?

Yea sure, I would love too. what would be a way that easiest to not lose contact?
Just mind you, I want to transition to writing about OFF THE WALL philosophy and SOC's

like hunter S thompson Is a huge influence on my life as well, hence why all my writing come off as an SOC.

I hope this makes sense, let me know if it doesnt, please.

>>20521132
solid advice.

for someone who didn't have the best foundation, like I can speak, write technical papers/ wikis on how to use product/software/hardware/tool, or how to scientifically address the variables in a system, I AM YOUR DUDE!

so like whats some childern books or just basic "this is english, heres all the rules all 110 rules for the oxford comma and shit" like I purely write from a spoken perspective, that probably why the other anon said my prose is good.

The "stylized writing" is new for me, as I general read ALOT of SOC, philosophy , and just non story based books. and I want to try to weave those properties together in my writing, I see it in my head, I just don't know how to get it on paper right yet.

Like I said, public speaking? and with others in the real world? I am so fluent you would never know.

In fact if I spoke, it would help. so What I am going to do, is write it, sleep, then come back, voice record it(the stuff I wrote), sleep, then listen to it again so I don't have any.... idk Mind blimps where my eyes glance over things like "tirade"

>I would also disagree with the compliment you received on your voice. You're clearly writing in your own voice, and while this isn't an outright bad thing, your voice is the exact same voice just about anyone would use for this character.
Check out Pratchett's writing if you want to see what a consistent and unique voice sounds like. He also has great dialogue.

to be fair it is one page, and I didnt get to the part where he feels alive like a normal person, and starts being nicer, but he starts killing people, so it hard to go off, but still the feedback of the first page is important.

The karen is now a old lady, and his name is Jeff.

>I would also work on my wit if I were you. Generally when I read a story here I'm able to find at least one line that I see the author had a real pride in. That one sentence you know may have come before anything else with the rest of the story simply built around it. I didn't feel that same passion here. Felt as though it was just stream of consciousness.

that because it is see >>20521304 , hunter s Thompson has heavily influenced me so much. And to be honest, that is how my minds functions, like one never ending SOC.

IDK I know everyone wasnt into Thompson, but fuck I feel like he saved my life in some way.

>I don't know how long you've been lurking these threads, but there was some very good advice from an anon last month about mouth side preference. If that's a little too complex for you, don't worry, just throw in some light alliteration wherever you can. It can achieve the same effect.

Ive been here a total of 86 hours so far.


again thanks, I really do value the feedback, and I will try to internalize and reflect.

>another Hunter S. Thompson superfan who can't write
Correlation is starting to look like causation.

>>20521371
if you read, Ive been like this before any drugs, in fact I didn't do anything till 26, im 30 now.

This has been a thing since childhood. also went to a really shitty private catholic school when I was younger.

I am here to improve, *shurg*

I can write, technical papers, wikis, and guides. Stylized writing is aloof to me. Hence why I am posting here.

>>20521304
>I work on a mountain farming cannabis, and I have a house at age 29
Neat.

>Yea sure, I would love too. what would be a way that easiest to not lose contact?
You can hit me up on Discord. I'm Westwolf#8717

What I want you to write is a "Meet Cute" scene. A short (less than 1000 words) scene in which a boy meets a girl and falls for her. But there are some rules:
1. The boy must be going to some public location to meet strangers. You provide the location and reason.
2. He approaches the girl to find out if she's there for the same reason.
3. The girls reaction to his question cannot be typical. It must be unusual and remarkable in some way.

>>20521403
you might need to think of tighter restrictions, Im having like hundreds of places.

some seedy some nice, whats public? a hiking trail or a coffee shop?

can you tighten it up for me?

Is there a program that could help me organize better?
I'm trying to keep ideas of like character arcs in notepads but I have like 30 .txt documents.
I'd like something that'd let me have my actual story on screen, and then like on an alt screen, author notes so I can review them without flipping between docs.
I don't want to write everything in like a foreign file format that might get lost later on though. Like if .fdp only works with THAT program then later the site shutsdown and I've lost all my work.

>>20521427
Public just means some place where strangers might meet up. It can be a park, a coffee shop, a comic book store, a concert, whatever you want.

>>20521468
i use a program called obsidian, it's pretty good actually and you can link between documents and they automatically connect on a mind map if you do.

>>20521468
https://github.com/skitsanos/mindtree
havnt use this one, this is an example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concept-_and_mind-mapping_software

I use things like mind trees when I am working on technical projects.

>>20521481
I have an idea and a kinko twist, its my style but I think it fits what your looking for.

someone with flaws thats redeemable, right?

>>20521492
>someone with flaws thats redeemable, right?
Yes. And remember, we want to like the MC, understand his attraction to the girl, and want to read more to find out if/how he's going to get her.

>>20521468
I use excel (the free libreoffice version). The layout lets me organize much better than a text document

if anyone is down to read my screenplay here it is. it's for a sitcom pilot.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T0PjK6xKUgYBSED4rNUC0-hG9Yi034DP/view?usp=sharing

>>20519546
I've known a lot of writers that fall into the "worldbuilding trap".
They spend all their time on that, and never actually generate any prose.

>>20520564
Have you read "Naked Lunch"?

>>20521468
I use an outline editor called TreeLine.
It lets me create arbitrary hierarchies of records in any format.
It's also free and open-source.

>>20521492
Twists are good. Hopefully you’ll be the next F Gardner.

>>20520088
No, but I leave it out in my bedroom, and burn it when its smell decreases.
One day I learned that bad smells at night can give you nightmares:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/body-odd/bad-smells-can-give-you-nightmares-flna1C9926317
I had been plagued with horrible nightmares for decades before I tried this.
I also wash my sheets more often.
Within a week, not only had my sleep quality improved dramatically, but...my muse came back for the first time in 25 years.
I've been writing up a storm ever since.
I can't say it'll work for you, but it did wonders for me.

>>20521483
This looks interesting, I see it uses plugins, are there any you'd recommend?
I tried opening one of the .md files in notepad and no text appears, could I only view these files with Obsidian? If I lost my copy of Obsidian I could potentially lose all my work?
That's why I avoided some other apps that use flashcards because I worry I'll become dependent on that specific app.
I wouldn't want to type 100,000 words in various folders of obsidian and need to cut/paste them all to new documents later.

>>20521839
TreeLine's file format is JSON, i.e. mostly human-readable text.
>>20521774

>>20521872
>TreeLine
Looks more like a coding program than a novel writing one. Not saying it can't be used for writing fiction but probably not intended to do that.

>>20521911
It's flexible enough to do whatever.
I've only used two node types: default (i.e. just a title) and text (i.e. a title and a free-form multi-line text box).
It's been working really well for me...and it's free and open-source.

>>20521468
You can buy 200 note cards for a dollar.

>>20521839
I have not had obsidian crash on me yet but yeah you may be right. I personally keep my actual script in one thing and not spread out so I can easily copy paste it.

>>20521680
I'm to page 15.
This is a sitcom?
Black-pilled drama, maybe.

>>20521918
I'll browse some tutorials and see if it'll work.
Thanks for your suggestion.
I've been writing in Atom for a couple years. That's also a coding program, but I was trying to write a novel in it. It was a bad idea, and now here I am with a dozen documents and just a mess.

>>20521304
Are you like this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6doOmS-eM

Does anyone know the name of this citation style? I see it in all non-fiction books for their sources. It's obviously not MLA or APA, and it's really close to the footnote styling of Chicago, but Chicago doesn't use "p." or "pp." for book page numbers, so it's not that either, unless it's some particular version of Chicago I don't know about. Specifically look at the book and magazine citations. This has been on my mind for years and it's bugged me that I always have to describe it as "modified Chicago" or "modified Turabian" when talking about it. If it has a name, I really want to look at this style guide.

>>20521943
Chicago for comparison.

how do you make a revenge story not seem like petty?

>>20521933
Just to clarify, I put my notes into TreeLine -- I don't write my prose in it directly.

>>20515731
I got a five star rating yesterday. I don't know if it was from one of yous.

>>20521996
Do it on someone else's behalf
https://youtu.be/3bqc-TIPv4c?t=103

>>20521926
That's high praise. what do you think of it so far?

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, it's true, I played Warframe for 2.5 hours tonight and didn't write. It's true that I'm feeling guilt because Stephen King said I needed to read and write 4 hours a day. It's also true that I haven't been writing as much recently and that I'm languishing on my prose a little. But in my defense, I have no defense, and only hope that I can learn from my mistakes. But before I do any of that, I intend on playing another hour of video games, and then I'll read for half an hour before bed. If the life of a writer was any harder, you could call me a cock.

>>20522040
I finished reading it, for some reason.
Sorry, but this was just plain nasty and depressing.
I assume that's what you were going for.
But it's not my kind of thing, to put it mildly.
How on Earth do you consider this a comedy?

>>20522044
I don't remember anywhere in Stephen King "On Writing" where he stated that, but my question if this is a true statement from him, is this t-rex cocaine desk king or post t-rex desk king.

>>20521996
Make the reason for revenge be a good one

Wrote 1285 words today, and none of them were porn. None of them have fuckall to do with my novel, but at least I wrote.

>>20521766
Lincola Stan?

>>20522076
nice, I've gotten in 1681 so far, gonna get in a bit more before bed tho

>>20522078
Huh whah?
"Naked Lunch" by William S. Burroughs.

>>20522062
I don't know I thought it was funny when I was writing it. What shows do you like if you don't mind me asking?

Self-published author convicted of killing husband:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61786575
...previously wrote an essay titled "How to murder your husband"

>>20522071
I dunno. I read it on his Wikipedia. I decided to edit my 4th book and get it ready for ARC and I'm having a good time laughing about it.

>>20521938
So the way of my interpenetration and to explain, yes. I would say mine is a more organic/spiritual in a way how it has manifested in my personality/persona.

The key difference between his and my story, I have been like this since my person was formed after the fleshed bonded. I Have ALWAYS experience life this way, I know nothing else or have no frame of reference of others minds that are not me.

Growing up felt very alien in many concepts, specifically going up in the bible belt in the late 80's/90's. The funny ironic part is ive always been an hour away from Duke medical but never went, HA.

To explain how with infinite precision, or as parallel in the fractal you can achieve. To sum it up, (in the current affability of my English skills) he see shapes, math, and graphs, etc.

Mine is a Infinite spider web of fractal points in a polygon/geometric shape that some is euclidean and non at the same time overlapping. I can traverse these strings of web to points if I have experience of life/knowledge/epiphanies and when I can collate the outside reality to the inside fractal, I can make unique lateral and vertical connections others would not.

I dont really "forget" things, There is just so much sometimes, my emotional state can knock me in a random spot in the fractal, and its like a rolladex I have to flip through till I find the spot on the scroll of the "library of the mind"


But the Brain damage has..... Affected other thing that i'm not quite ready to discuss. espically when it come in terms of the DP/DR. As... I am one person, but the Mind of ethos(The me, the I, the soul, The one who makes choices), the soul of my ehtos(The heart, the feelings, the chemicals), and the Fractal of logos.

are all separate but one... I am still in my journey to learn to how to perceive it and explain to other in this shared reality.

growing up in the south wasn't easy, with how religious perceptions, along with a mother who actually does suffer a mentall illness and never mature passed the mental/emotional age of 17.

it wasnt till 2015/16/17 where I became more mobile in my career and started to van life where I could actually meet doctors who actually gave a shit.

I was getting really good results until late 2019.... I had Broken into the cannabis industry on the mechanical side and hydrocarbon extraction, then getting the chance to manage a farm ALONE. on top a mountain for a entire season. so money wise I finally had the funds to support my search, to which none of my family though was real till I had a solid MRI / fMRI.

But the main take away, If anything I would like to confirm... It does not turn off.... It never turns off.. it is always there, right behind the edge.

>>20522147
please read "On writing", I feel its tool in the toolbox that every writer should reference at least once (Look at my pompous ass saying that).

What do you think of my first stanza of my modern day epic?

On the eleventh day of the eleventh month
Scorpio bestowed his eyes
He turned away, not endowing the blessing
Yet the poor child cried
It could not join the planets without a gift
Should life be withheld from those above
Or will giving a chance

It was foretold by the elders in the council
The one for the mirror, shall bring destruction
The child of the eleventh,
The bringer of destruction
Cannot the be given a blessing

But Sagittarius looked with its eyes
not a tear but a sorrow
One that will be born outside his blessing
Shall be given life in a hidden time
Maybe now today, a chance of life
Should not be hindered
But who is he to challenge Mother Fate
Only Father Time will tell

Sagittarius with a bow in hand and a arrow nocked
Chanted a spell to the one born on the eleventh
It would be his burden but not his life
Unleash the boy to the world
May he be a savior for some, or a destructor to others
One day, one night, we all shall know

>>20521680
nah this is hilarious, disregard that other anon
there's no fucking way it'd ever get made, but it's hilarious nonetheless

>>20522205
I like it anon! You kinda inspired me a little, though Im no poet.

On the eleventh day of the eleventh month
Mending Muse - Reveal the tale
Of daring daring deadly Scorpio,
And his set to stellar sail

Scorpio stows his eyes away,
He would not see our planets line,
Nor a blessing, nor a day,
Nor his own lone shine

The mirrored lords of great outer space,
Looked on him and danced,
For here the eleventh child was now
A miracle, a chance

The one to issue, the one of breath
The eleventh not to bow
Our brave Scorpio faced the Sun
Defiant on his bow

>>20522462
disregard the second daring 3rd line

Vlad the Imaginary Friend

Vlad was thought into existence in 2009, somewhere in southern Germany, in the mind of a Baden-Wuttemberg Boy. He was tall, pale, romania after the popular conception, and made funny little remarks to the Baden-Wuttemberg Boy. TOUCH ME ON THE NOSE and EAT KURWA EAT. Kurwa was polish, but it would be silly to expect historical accuracy from the Baden-Wuttemberg Boy, especially where his own imagination was concerned. The Baden-Wuttemberg Boy had soft blond hair, brown betraying eyebrows, and a keen eye. His mother was an American. In the hills that rung Strauss-Colibenz, you could find the Baden-Wuttemberg Boy and Vlad the Imaginary Friend at play. HAND OF GOD RUN FASTER THEY ARE RIGHT BEHIND YOU Vlad would encourage, and the Baden-Wuttemberg Boy would laugh. The Boy would run down the greens, so maddening in Carlist fervor, to flee. He ran for revoking music, the kind that you hear once and suddenly just know, and really, really know, like Jupiter, the Bringer of Jollity. When the orchestra, the whole orchestra not just the winds, returns to break open the skulls and water balloons, break them open wide, a dentist saying ahhh, and then, when youre all along all right, the orchestra whispers a kind word and rolls the strings back to reveal the distant moor - where the fog goes rolling - feeling familiar. That's what it was like to watch the Baden-Wuttemberg Boy run out of that wood and down and back into the little south-west German town. Look - look and see him smile there. See him standing on the dirt and mud that precipitates the cobble. And now Vlad the imaginary friend steps out of the wood too, and puts a friendly hand on the Boy’s shoulder. And he smiles big. CLEAN FEET MAKE SHARKS SMILE.
Nowadays, the Baden-Wuttemberg Boy works.

>>20522462
>>20522205
I completely forgot about the Zodiac signs. I should add them to my magic system.

Elemental systems are overdone. Maybe something like Zodiac mixed with Music styles.

So you have some crazy shit like Baroque Cancer attacks.

MY beethoven the seventh sends out bunch of crabs at you.

>>20522469
fuck and the last word should be prow

You guys realize to make even like 3k a month you’ll need to publish 4-5 books of decent quality and do the bare minimum in marketing.
That 3k a month is what I’d consider barely livable in the west atm, but that’s still a living. Anything above that will just propel you into the next income bracket and improve your life.
Don’t quit your day job folks.

>>20521680
Like a lot of things I see here, this is well-written but you're a terrible human being. Just awful. How do you even look at yourself in a mirror? But seriously, good work. Also, seek therapy.

>people claiming they have 3 to 6 books completed.
>nobody ever posts what their work is
How am I going to read other anons works?

>>20522545
3k a month is barely liveable in the west, you would be either living in the middle of nowhere or in some slum

Wrote this.
https://pastebin.com/SUMkANG2

>>20522545
>3k a month
>barely livable
if you live in a degenerate high-density metropolis in burgerstan maybe

>>20522575
Doesn’t F Gardner have like a million books published?

1st little arc of Operation Black Lightning is nearly complete. I figure it'll be this and one more chapter before a brief interlude. It's probably not to some anons' taste, but nothing will ever please 100% of everyone.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/chapter/926837

>>20522605
Gardner only has 11 books.

>>20522579
>>20522604
Now fight each other.

>>20522622
3k is liveable in rural areas for the most part, depending on gas and food prices.
3k is not liveable is most cities though, maybe in shitty ones like New Orleans

>>20522622
Why would I need to? I'll just wait until tis retarded city slicker starves to death while I farm my ancestors' land and live in too remote a location for glowniggers to even know i exist.

>>20521147
lmao i started reading this and i realized within the first few pages that my "sheriff" character should actually be a "police chief". thanks anon.

>>20522609
Nice to see someone finally post their story and it gets ignored completely

>>20522351
>>20522554
you anons have no idea how much i needed this positive encouragement. thank you.

>>20522632
You're welcome. :)

>>20521680
I hate the fact that I like this. It doesn't quite feel ready just yet, but it's close. Very close.

I'm going to remember this. If I ever see this show made, I'll remember where it came form.

>>20522609
>>20522639
You posted a complaint ten minutes after linking to a five chapter story, anon. Give it time.

>>20522611
>only

Gardner’s naysayers ALWAYS seem to have the guy figured wrong. Gardner’s the most well known 4chan writer and they expect him to be Shakespeare. He’s not. He’s a simple pulp horror writer. Which is about what one should expect from 4chan. I’ve seen some YouTube videos about his books. The “big bads” of his series are a video game obsessed man-child who works for the Illuminati and a talking kangaroo from Hell.
This is literally exactly what I’d expect from an author who came from 4chan.

>>20519143
How could I fix it?

>>20522639
You honestly believe people are going to critique it?

>>20522739
read it out loud. Make sure you actually pause at the commas.

>when you pick up a pile of used books on mythology, folklore and anthropology/archaeology for cheap
>when the writing session goes smoothly and you finish a chapter that is pleasing
I've been on a roll ever since I evoked the idea to start with an antichronological break to the climax of the first act before rolling back to retell the build up to answering the call. I'm fucking winning that contest this year.

>>20522754
Doesn’t F Gardner’s success kind of prove that commas are fine?

>>20522811
if you want to be Gardner, then there's no reason to ask me to critique your sentences. You need to ask the master himself. Thus, don't bother posting your stuff on here. Find the Discord that Gardner participates him and ask him there.

>>20522819
Becoming like him would honestly be the first stepping stone. It’s pretty clear he did something right if we all know who he is. But I write a different genre.

>>20522819
What is this fabled Gardner discord? I’m still not convinced Gardner is a real person and not just a meme.

Any recommended scenes from mythology, european or otherwise, of the forging of magical items? Already read the Forging of the Sampo.

>>20522828
He was in a server I’m in. Some sperg insulted CotC and he left.

>>20522825
He writes all genres.
Contemporary
Horror
Comedy
Fantasy
Romance
Drama
Thriller
Erotica
Auto-Biography

Don't tell me you're a Historical writer.

>>20522819
I don’t know if there’s anything to learn. F Gardner is a tradcath-LARPer schizo NEET who lives in a mansion.

>>20522873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR_n8win2Vs&ab_channel=LucasBineville

Sorry according to this guy, CotC is a competently written book with an engaging story comparable to Cormack McCarthy

>>20521132
> I didn't feel that same passion here

The meet cute FBI fed probe will have to wait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IUtUsfARA
I'm on some ye shit in terms of flow. Solar batteries are good, food supply is up, nothing to do while my van transmission is being rebuild, and the motorcycle tank is getting fixed. If you anit into macabre-esqe mental fuck you with philosophy fiber of you're core shit(the attempt anyways, realizations yet to be achieved) then this isn't for you(whats the focus).

I.e Good guy who wants to do good things but life kicks him, and he falls off the horse, a single night our protagonist will morally fall into an abyss. He will have to come to face with daemons and see if he can see past the pain. Will he succumb or does the potential for growth allow him to see the way out. if we need to have some development, but maybe I need to think of more other cosmic things in a different project.

Turning off the modem and booting up a linux shell with a word prompt only, even going turn off the tv antenna.

>>20521778
let me know in a week or whenever I finish this what you think. dont know who this fellow is, I am still catching up on the anon that shared, https://rcwaldun.com/ .

>>20521680
read first three pages, thank you for following the 1 page per minute of screen time rule, it makes it easier to visualize. I'll read it when I crash or have a block.

>>20522471
go on....

>>20522545
disagree, Even lived in arcata,ca.

And I leave this tidbit for asking a question, Sober writing or influenced writing? is there even a dichotomy to begin with, or is it a scale.

For me, I have to take medicinal cannabis I grow daily, After awhile, im either use to the headspace or just no longer "feel high" , so it my new normal in a way I guess. Sometimes I do other things while I code or work on projects. When its a DIY personal hobby project, it feels like Ive made a week worth of progress in one shop night.

Mechanical and writing being two different skill sets, that aside. one could say coffee is a substance to use and enhance, and I would argue the advent of coffee to the western world, increase production by a large margin when it became common to the proletariat.

what are the thoughts of the anons here at /wg/?

>>20522709
Anything you think that could improve it?

I will remember you too. I hope it does. Thank you for the encouragement.

>>20522878
Wait a fuckin minute. Stephen King and JK Rowling really are in Call of the Crocodile? I thought that was a joke.

>>20522878
>Cormack

Do you people title your chapters or just leave it with numbers?

>>20515731
I've sold 132 copies of my book on Amazon. I have 8 reviews. Trying to figure out the self-publishing biz, but it always feels like banging my head against a brick wall. Maybe more my next book I'll reach out directly to the smaller publishers, idk.

>>20523007
you should be happy you sold 132 copies. I only sold 30 and mostly to friends and family. The big thing I think is a good blurb, author's page, and cover.

>>20522940
Yep. It really is one of the strangest horror books out there.

>>20523000
I just leave them as numbers. Everytime I think I have a clever title for a chapter, I discover that I don't have clever names for the rest of them (or at least one of them), and I'd rather have no chapter titles than some good ones and some dull ones.

New Thread! >>20523130 >>20523130

>>20523000
Checked.

Also, depends on the style of the story. A more light-hearted adventure benefits from appropriate chapter titles, while keeping things plain and simple serves a more serious narrative.

>>20522575

Here's mine. White girl does white girl things.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SOCIOPATH-primadonna-girl-SAGA-dreamlander/dp/B09CV11BM9

>>20523000
I added titles for posting on web-novel sites.
Some I came up with incidentally when writing.
Most I had to make up after the fact.