/lit/ - Literature

>>20495955
Alot of words but here is your answer

CSW = societal progress
PSW = degeneracy

Pretty simple. One woman, ten kids, one God
Many woman, no kids, no care, no God

Which one survives?

>>20495970
Listen, this is a revelation to me. I flirt with Pagan thought all the time. Seeing the Paganism is, basically, all the new forms of sexual expression we're seeing today -- this is an entirely new way of viewing things for me.

>>20495984
Oh okay, I didn't actually read what you wrote

Basically polygamy boils down to carelessness. And in a society where birth control is available and accepted, then polygamy brings on pleasurable feelings with no responsibilities.

Paganism itself is also just carelessness. Its an excuse used to justify things. And today there are no universal creeds etc for paganism, so people can just make up whatever they want to suit them at the time. This means they just use it as a feel good justification for them to do degenerate things. Basically its a cowardly way to become even more of a loser than you currently are

>im an ex-pagan

>>20495955
based
ive never been so proud of /lit/

>>20495984
Good stuff man - welcome to realizing that Christ is King.

>PSM, on the other hand, breaks down CMS. It encourages non-monogamy, free love, and does not believe that marriage is sacred. It is often anti-natalist.
>anti-natalist

This is where I stopped reading because of how retarded and ahistorical that claim is. Fertility festivals and shrines to Fertility godesses were ubiquitous throughout pagan cultures throughout the world. In what distorted, disingenuous way could you interpret that as anti-natalist.

I see you site Babylon as an example later on, but that was anomalous, and no way representative of most pagan cultures throughout history

>>20495970
>>20496015
>>20496024
>>20496030
I think what else is interesting here is Nietzsche's criticism of Christianity, that it's anti-life, because it looks beyond this world, to another world. And perhaps that's true, to an extent. However, the PSM we're seeing, which is linked to all the things Nietzsche wished to see in our society, is anti-life, in that it's abolishing human beings through transhumanism for instance. And there is nothing more anti-life than that. Nietzsche wanted to overcome humanity -- and now we're destroying biological categories and implanting chips into our brains.

>>20496043
>this is an ahistorical claim
>i see you cite babylon

MAKES YOU THINK

>>20496054
Nietzsche is an utter buffoon. He writes like a literal retard. He has an interesting end point but to get there is retarded physchobabble.

Anyone who thinks Nietzsche was smart and or coherent is a complete liar.

>>20496043
>Fertility festivals and shrines to Fertility godesses were ubiquitous throughout pagan cultures throughout the world
So was infanticide

>>20496043
>Bang randoms at the fertility festival (nightclub/concert) where everyone also believes in sacrifices etc (abortion/condoms).

Yea nah real pro natalist bro

>>20496060
That's one instances, look at every other country. Look at the various European pagan traditions, pagan Rome and Greece, Japan, Africa. Even South America which generally practiced human sacrifice, didn't practice ritualistic infanticide.

Babylon, and perhaps Sodom and Gomorrah are the only examples of ritualistic infanticide

>>20496108
You are literally looking at history through a distorted, modern lens

>>20496137
KIKE ALERT KIKE ALERT KIKE ALERT

Literally all of them had infanticide you mong. The Spartans killed like half of there infant population. Rome had literal baby sacrificing temples. The gauls would sacrifice grown men and women including babies. And that's not to mention the British druids even. The druids where the worst of the lot. In Scandinavia it was more careless though, literally if you didn't want it you'd leave the baby out for the wolves and that was normal

Praise be to the Lord our God that paganism was crushed. I wish irminsul was still around so I could cut it down myself.

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>>20495955
It's not so clearly defined at all. There are plenty of monogamous non-Christian cultures throughout world history, and there is a ton of pagan influence felt throughout Abrahamic theology. You really can't generalize like this without looking ignorant.

There are plenty of concrete ways in which Judaism especially (being the oldest Abrahamic tradition) sought to contrast itself with various Philistine or Canaanite religions such as circumcision. But there are as many ways in which Judaism (and Christianity) inherited or adopted Pagan practices.

Also, associating polygamy or homosexuality with decadence seems irrational when you think about the amount of Eastern civilizations that have flourished with these traits in their society.

>>20495955
Someone made an incorrect point on lit and you wrote a monologue about it? Ngmi

>>20495955
I hate paganism so much it’s unreal

>>20496137
>didn't practice ritualistic infanticide
Your post gets mighty stinky when you remove "ritualistic"

>>20496082
Based

>>20496248
>can't generalize
Name one thing that isn't generalizeable
>There are plenty of concrete ways in which Judaism especially (being the oldest Abrahamic tradition) sought to contrast itself with various Philistine or Canaanite religions such as circumcision. But there are as many ways in which Judaism (and Christianity) inherited or adopted Pagan practices.
This is a common critique of Judaism which is evidently wrong for Christianity.
>Also, associating polygamy or homosexuality with decadence seems irrational when you think about the amount of Eastern civilizations that have flourished with these traits in their society.
>flourished
which are these?

>>20496173
Best thread on /lit/ right now

>>20496082
Based. Although I disagree with your thoughts regarding his writing style (which is prosaic genius btw), I admit that /lit/ and many others give him too much credit to the point of being overrated.

>>20496248

>and there is a ton of pagan influence felt throughout Abrahamic theology

begone, marxist

>>20495955
You're basically right, with the caveat that there is still some baseline of normality which pagans held to. In other words, natural law is or ought to be evident to everyone, even without the benefit of divine revelation.

Conversely, polygamy isn't inherently wrong. Christ's fulfillment makes it impermissible, but the law of Israel couldn't allow for something which is always and everywhere wrong.

>>20496043
I believe that in their decadence the Romans gradually ceased to reproduce

>>20496475
>>20496043
I should also add that ancient culture was anti-natalist in the sense that it was held that the second best thing was to die young, and the best was never to be born at all

>>20495955
>PSM, on the other hand, breaks down CMS. It encourages non-monogamy, free love, and does not believe that marriage is sacred. It is often anti-natalist. It advances the idea that there is no necessary relationship between sex and gender. Homosexuality and all its variations are on equal footing with heterosexuality.
absolutely retarded. thread is already ruined.

>>20496054
>it's anti-life, because it looks beyond this world, to another world

True Christians are more joyous in this life, because a person flourishes when they do what they were made for, and everybody was made to love and serve God.

>>20495955
paganism and modernism have some superficialities in that they both lack Christ, but the latter is worse, because it has both known Him and rejected Him

See my literal blog

8014543.substack.com/p/on-modernity

>>20495955
Paganism doesnt even exist. Also the decline in sexual values is a Christian phemomenon.

>>20495955
You need to sit down and read some history books, preferably primary texts.

Psm breaks down because deep down, they all know there is no going back to paganism.

Paganism for them is an attempt to rationalize and legitimize the nature of their sexual desire. This is just concupiscence. Eventually concupiscence will erode every boundary set up by psm and you will see that modern paganism is just a front for nihilism.

>>20495955
>Gnosticism and its modern expression, transhumanism
Uh oh, retard alert

>another thread for people who haven't read N to debate people who didn't understand him about whether it is based and redpilled to agree with him or not

>>20496492
Based, nice work john

>>20496625
>comes in to defend nietzsche
>can't even spell his name
He's overrated

>>20495955
This is stupid. Just because pre-Christian ancient cultures had different sexual ethics to Christianity doesn't not mean they were sexual libertines. The Greeks countenanced homosexuality, yes, but it was highly regulated and managed by all kinds of social norms and ideals. The lovers were expected to be virtuous. They were not hedonists. Their sexual conduct was almost Victorian in its strictness. Athens was not some sexual free-for-all. The philosophies of love derived from these homosexual milieus heavily inspired Christian thought on the matter -- the influence of the Symposium on Christian (and especially Catholic) ideas about eros and agape cannot be underestimated.

>>20496751
Cope and seethe fruitloop

>>20496698
He posts the same stale pasta in every thread which is even tangentially related to Nietzsche so he can pretend he has some esoteric insight.

>>20495955
this is so stupid why cant you study actual pagan literature instead of making shit up to justify christianity and make it seem like a superior religion gtfo

>>20496922
This is why I believe you Christians are absolute scum of the earth. You behave in such a spiritually degenerate manner

I would not even lie about my worst enemies, let alone other theists.

But you don't even have basic pattern recognition to analyze your own behavior, notice flaws and work upon them

Even if you're simply misinformed, you check whether you're misinformed by reading your enemies, you don't lie about them and form your opinion of them from your inner circles who are obviously gonna be biased

>>20496946
le based cringe pagans amirite based based redpilled theyre so cringepilled degenerate...

its like you can't move beyond internet speak you degenerate scum

>>20496082
You never read Nietzsche, if you did you wouldn't be a Christcuck.

>>20496492
epic dude you sure showed us

This is the average christian, how can i best utilize mental gymnastics and linguistic manipulation to say "well akshually, you pagans are like the modernists"

No shut the fuck up we want to [] them as much as we want to [] you.

No amount of mental gymnastics will change this

>>20496957
this is the christcuck /lit/ version of /pol/s "how can i make my enemies look jewish"

except now its "how can i make my enemies look like modernists"

"youre modern"

"no you are"

'no you are"

- the average christcuck debate. The only christians i respect are the gnostics cause they seem to be good faith, cause surprise surprise, when you formalize belief systems by making your inner self the derivative foundation, but still approach it from a critical perspective, you tend to be open minded

but no you christians just rely on the church and the book

>>20495955
>pagan society encouraged non-monogamy, free love, and does not believe that marriage is sacred. It is often anti-natalist
You haven't ever heard of the Romans, have you OP?
>>20495984
Nice (You)farming

>>20496108
>Bang randoms at the fertility festival
Please read some nonfiction for once

>>20496966
So now that I've cleared up the lies, let me make this clear as a genuine pagan.

No, homosexuality is not pagan

No, open relationships are not pagan

No, degeneracy is not pagan.

Stop making shit up. The foundation behind paganism is NATURALISM, following natural law and order.

There is nothing natural about degeneracy, open relationships and homosexuality, as they are perversions and degredation.

They only exist within unnatural societies filled with technology wherein the people have grown so comfortable that they have moved on from their natural roles and have perverted every aspect of society.

>>20496173
>Rome had literal baby sacrificing temples
Which ones where those?

>>20495955
>PSM, on the other hand, breaks down CMS. It encourages non-monogamy, free love, and does not believe that marriage is sacred. It is often anti-natalist. It advances the idea that there is no necessary relationship between sex and gender. Homosexuality and all its variations are on equal footing with heterosexuality.
This is simply not true, apart from the marriage being civil not sacred part. Augustus exiled his own daughter Julia for being a promiscuous, without any Christian hope of forgiveness, charity, or redemption.

It's a modern mistake to think that paganism was libertine, they were sober stuffy prudes concerned with civitas and the dry cardinal virtues of prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance.

Chesterton makes this point in Heretics Chapter 12, Paganism and Mr. Lowes Dickinson, it's Christianity that introduced the unreasonable liberal virtues of faith, hope, and charity:
https://www.online-literature.com/chesterton/heretics/12/

>>20496285
>your post isn't correct anymore when you change its meaning
No shit

>>20495955
Which paganism are you talking about? Are you saying that the Roman cult had the same sexual morals as Hawaiian folk religion? Also, what about Islam, which actually encourages polygamy but isn't considered pagan?

>>20496990
>No, homosexuality is not pagan
Do not insult the beloveds of Zeus and Apollo.

>>20496477
The bible says the exact same thing you absolute imbecile

>>20496477
>ancient culture
which one?

>it's a christians think they invented virtue ethics episode
Christian ethics is inherited from the Pagan Platonists, Peripatetics, and Stoics.