/lit/ - Literature

BAKKER IS KING

>>20490047
King of writing yet another Mary Sue in Kelhus.

Fantasy definitely needed more of those.

I like to play techno really loud any time Wilson Gibson has his characters go into a cool underground club for hackers.

>>20490086
he wrote it in the era or jungle music tho

The correct reading order is Hobbit -> Lord of the Rings -> Appendices -> Silmarillion -> Assorted Extras

>>20490025
Which author have you wanted to like and have tried reading several times but it never worked out?
For me, KSR, Kim Stanley Robinson is an example.

>use acronym then write the name in full
Glad the brainlets are remaining in their containment thread. How is going this morning, brainlets?

My coworker friend got mad at me because I said it's easier for men to find Luffy relatable than relating to a female protagonist in fiction and fantasy.

How come neither archaeologists nor paleontologists have found any evidence of the First through Fourth Ages? We haven't even found the Gate of Kings.

>>20490025
Are there any base building fiction?

>>20490109
I've given Cherryh 4 tries I think and they've never clicked enough for me to keep going.
Foreigner should be exactly my kinda shit but so much of it is about the protagonist being almost completely in the dark that I lost interest.
Malazan's the biggest fantasy series I should probably give at least one more try to.

>>20490157
Release that Witch is town building I guess.
He transmigrates into the body of a prince who has been exiled to a fantasy border town (basically just some huts and a castle) and sets about industrializing it and militarizing it (it gets attacked every year by wild animals but it's usually just abandoned for that season)

>>20490157
>>20490179
Release that witch (harem, goes to shit waaaaaay later in the novel)
Reincarnated as a slime

>>20490157
yeah, but they are all shit

>>20490109
Only book of his I liked was Aurora.

>>20490157
Infinite Realm from one group of POVs.

>>20490157
Pure kingdom building is the rarest form of fiction you'll find. The best you can get is >>20490179
>>20490183, there are others, but they're either rushed or straight up trash.

Making my way through PKD's short story collection. Almost done with Second Variety, shaping up to be my favourite out of the lot. What is your favourite PKD short?

>>20490145
because Eru (Yahweh) wiped it all out during the Great Flood idiot

>>20489915
Yeah, Jack Vance is a creep. Don't let the other anons tell you otherwise. The guy cannot write a single chapter without the the allusion to rape. Either that someone is thinking about rape. Or someone narrowly avoided rape. Or some could possibly be raped. And there's a chapter where he tells this story of a fairy getting magically bound on some dirt road, and randomly raped by strangers who happen by. He tells it so jovially like it's a big three part joke.

He's not even a good writer. So even if you did overlook all the rape stuff, what are you really getting? A jarring, threadbare narrative with random information dumps inbetween?

>>20490464
Nice try, rabbi.

I once heard that LotR is a rip-off of Sienkiewicz's Trilogy.
How true that is?

>>20490595
lotr has the better mount and blade mod even though the trilogy one is official

>>20490025
What are you reading and what are you planning to read?

>>20490640
Currently reading Gideon the Ninth, will probably read Harrow after if I like Gideon well enough (I'm mixed, but it seems to be getting better after a rough early patch). Will probably read Sabriel or something afterwards, then I dunno what.

Any authors that write with a style similar to Gibson's in the Sprawl trilogy? Descriptive, yet somewhat stilted, without the over the top attempts at cool like Stephenson.

>>20490640
just finished Book of Skulls, which at a thematic level sucked (and was also coomer-bait) - going to read The Flying Sorcerers. thinking about only reading /sffg/ recs from now on, even though, as I said before, The Book of Skulls sucked.

>>20490693
Gibson's style is cribbed from noir authors. Try Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett.

>>20490640
currently reading a historical fiction novel called "Theophilus" by Michael D. O'Brien, the next things I plan to read are "Love Not Human" by Gordon R. Dickson and rereading The Hobbit (technically will be reading this particular copy that I inherited from my mother that was published alongside the Hobbit animated feature by Rankin/Bass in 1977 for the first time)

>>20490640
I'm finishing up Fall of Hyperion and then I'm going to read the fourth volume of Guin's Saga. It's a shame that series only got four novels translated since it's a solid sword and sorcery series and the anime got farther.

>>20490640
>currently reading
Nothing.
>planning to read
Pic related.

>>20490464
When will 5E disavow?

>>20490727
Thanks, I'll look in to them. Any notable noir/hardboiled scifi authors besides Gibson?

I've read Altered Carbon but I wasn't that engaged with it at the time, is the rest of the trilogy worth looking in to?

I picked up Mother of learning because of some of you double niggers and the first few pages were incredibly disappointing. Does the quality pick up or am I pinned to this clownish retard for the entire book?

>>20490820
What are some books where the first few pages aren't disappointing

>>20490820
I generally liked MoL by the end, but it does take a while to get going. I'd say read until the looping starts, at least.

>>20490086
You may want to consider some gritty industrial music instead, like Ministry or Foetus.

>>20490295
How to choose? There are so many great ones.
I always thought "The Variable Man" would have made a great Arnold Schwarzenegger vehicle, back in the day.
"The Little Black Box" was a great take on religion.
"The Electric Ant" gave me some serious existentialist willies.
I could go on.

>>20490295
My overall favorite of what I've read current is The Exit Door Leads In. I just find it to be hilarious. The Skull, and The King of Elves are both also quite nice.

>>20490894
The Electric Ant is amusing as well.

>>20490464
are you mentally disabled or just a woman?

>>20491003
>>20490551
>>20490781
>What's with these weirdo 1 liners? Are you anons even people? Or are you just saying random things to get me to respond?

>>20491003
>>20490551
>>20490781
What's with these weirdo 1 liners? Are you anons even people? Or are you just saying random things to get me to respond?

>>20490680
>Sabriel
That one anon shilling it’s cover has gotten me legit interested.
>>20490746
Hey nice anon, have a second printing of that myself and plan on using that version for my one Hobbit re-read. Absolutely love the Rankin and Bass movie. Think it’s the only film that captures the magic of Tolkien.
>>20490768
If that books going for a retro cover look it’s pretty good, but the cover should be a little less groovy.

>>20491075
>but the cover should be a little less groovy.
fuck you, make it more groovy

>>20490295
Roog and one other I forget the name of.

>>20491075
>If that books going for a retro cover look it’s pretty good
https://glorioustrash.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-undertaker-death-transition.html

>>20490640
I'm currently taking a deep dive in Greek mythology. I plan on rereading the Iliad (Fagles' version) next. Only read an abridged version when I was younger. That and continuing to read through Malazan.

>>20490126
good. you deserve it

>>20491059
seethe, cope, and most importantly: dilate.

>>20490047
>akka
cucked
>cnauir
cucked
>kellos
gay and cucked
>proyas
butt raped
>sorwheel
cucked
>meohengus
cucked

king of cucks more like it

The black company would beat the bridgeburners with prep time

>>20490640
>Currently reading
The god is not willing
>Going to read
Unsure

>>20490640
>What are you reading
Well of Ascension and it fucking sucks so bad
>what are you planning to read?
Averoigne

>>20490097
no_lies_detected.gif

>>20490295
Autofac stuck with me, was like a proto Nick Land story but without the schizobabble

>>20490157

Tunnel in the Sky is the only one I can think of immediately, Robinson Crusoe-likes are your friend here

>>20491100
I did really like the cover for the most part. The real people gave it a genuinely retro feel.
>>20491208
Kek, book is so obscure I actually found the same thing when I looked it up.

>>20491595
>Kek, book is so obscure I actually found the same thing when I looked it up.
You can buy it and the sequel on Amazon like I did. Gonna start reading it tomorrow.

Reading this now. Is all of it just Dick's self insert schizoposting?

>>20491351
how is it? Karsa is...not my favorite. I'm also not really wanting to spend an entire book if I have to roll my eyes every couple of pages at poorly-disguised millenarian environmentalism.

i'm torn on erikson's writings the last 10 years, feels like he's gotten waaaaaaaay too PC/environuts at the expense of a good story. I'm also not sure I'm up for a doorstopper with all the fatalism of Redmask's story or the Snake or Letherii Empire-as-America. And Karsa always seems to bring the worst aspects of Erikson's personal politics to the forefront.

at this point it feels like erikson is happy to write yet another story about an outwardly primitive hunter-gatherer society being felled by a brutal rapacious empire, with a lovable band of everyman soldiers traipsing throughout whose thoughts and perspectives are far more sophisticated than they have any right to be. esselmont is the one who actually seems interested in exploring the world a little more and peeling back some of the events gestured at in the MBotF.

>>20491699
im not far enough along to give an opinion, nly like 10% in
also, its going slower because im constantly checking the malazan wiki to remind me of various things that are mentioned
it will probably speed up once i feel a bit more refreshed

Any biblically inspired fantasy books featuring angels, demons and the like?

>>20491829
The Divine Comedy, explicitly. Tolkien's Middle Earth series, implicitly.

>>20491829
Depends.

>>20491674
how about you dick self insert, schizo

>>20491852
Dante is not fantasy

>>20491875
Yeah I was there.

>>20490047
based

>>20490047
Truth Shines.

Looking for sci-fi mystery reccomendations.

Pic related, my favourites so far

>>20492253
Hamiltons Commonwealth saga, it has plenty of mystery in it.

about halfway through legends and latte and eh, it seems alright so far. but nothing special.

>>20491674
my fucking face when VALIS was my first Dick

>>20490640
Reading Eye of the World via physical book, Singularity Trap via audiobook, Coiling Dragon via phone and Man After Man occasionally on my PC

Might read Piranesi, some WH40k book, my first Dragon Lance book or checkout some webnovel trash I have in my backlog

>>20491829
Gideon Ira: Knight of the Blood Cross

>>20492253
I enjoyed this series
https://www.goodreads.com/series/237217-quantum

The Gone World is also pretty good.

>The Necromancer's name is Perril Chandler
I can't help but giggle every time they mention it

>>20492595
Seconding The Gone World - just be warned its a bit of a mindfuck near the end.

anyone got a list of certified coomer-core sci-fi?
louis wu is me hero, fucking anything sentient with a hole

Am I a brainlet for thinking Ursula K Le Guin is overrated. The first 3 Earthsea books were a solid 7/10 but picrel was garbage. People talk like she is the second coming of Christ

>>20492921
yes, you're too retarded to attach a jpg but think you're capable of judging books

The Dying Earth
The Second Apocalypse
The Lord of the Rings
The holy trinity of fantasy.

Should I bother reading Endymion ?
I really like the first book of Hyperion but the rest was kinda bad

>>20492980
it's a constant downhill slope so if you don't still love it get off the ride

Reading Titus Groan and I keep getting distracted by Cora and Clarice lads. I just want to steal away into their room of roots and have a degenerate threesome with them, pumping the hell out of both of them

>>20492984
Sad, there is so much padding in these books it was painful

Is it worth reading book 12-14 of WoT? I'm not big into the idea of reading a continuation written by another author than the original in the first place and I've heard a lot of bad things about Sanderson

Good evening, Brainlets. Thank you for remaining in your containment thread. How are we on this lovely evening?

NEETbros - I am curious as to how quickly you can get through books. I typically read about 30 pages a day, but I work full time and own some land which keeps me busy. My mates are always trying to lend me stuff I haven't read - they say I read way too slow.

>>20493087
>egotistical pseud fails to realize that you can post in more than 1 thread at a time
>likewise can't grasp that you can read and enjoy genre fiction and literary fiction simultaneously
Many such cases. Here's the (You) you were looking for.

>>20493128
It was just a jest bro
Please calm down

>>20493136
You got me bro. Excellent bait. Completely indistinguishable from ye olde shitposters back when this general got started and /lit/ would schreech at you for daring to discuss anything besides the same 15 approved texts. I just immediately flashed back to 2016-2018 /lit/.

>builds a chapel on ur ebin secret garden
Nothing personal, princess

Is A Civil Campaign the last good book of Vorkosigan Saga?

>>20493104
Whenever I hear about someone bragging that they read 100 books a year or whatever I don't really take it seriously. Usually those people are talking about mass market nonfiction (ghostwritten celebrity or politician memoirs, business, self help, etc.) Or big name genre fiction (Dan Brown, Stephen King, J. K. Rowling.) Which is fine but it's ysually the kind of stuff that you can blitz through on audible at 2x speed at work without missing much. If you're reading denser stuff (or are reading more closely than your friends) it's gonna take more time. All you need to be concerned about is that you're able to absorb what your reading. If anything you should be worried about going to fast.

>>20493004
Kek. I'm reading Titus Groan too. Luv Steerpike.

>>20492659
>>The Necromancer's name is Perril Chandler
>I can't help but giggle every time they mention it
Perril Chadler is probably the best character in The Wandering Inn, though that might my edge-preference talking. Can't wait for him to go all out.

Does anyone have that good chart that is arranged by how good books are and how hard they are to read? Looking for something more challenging to read after Witcher.

>>20493320
I have a copy, sir.

>>20493320
the library at mount char

>actually REQUESTING it
How about lurk any fucking thread in the last month? The spastic has spammed it enough.

>>20493328
No, that chart is shit, and I asked for a good chart.

>>20493328
Thanks. This is the very chart I was looking for. I think I'm going to give Dune a try.

>>20493328
Don't think Terry Goodkind deserves even C, unless you are into BDSM and rape.

>>20493328
No matter how many times this chart gets posted, I still can’t get over the fact that it’s terrible.

>>20491059
lurk more, faggeroni

>>20491671
Yeah, seems the author finally put it out there for the public.
>>20491275
Good stuff anon. I read the Tain last year but haven’t checked out any Greek method yet. Should really look into more.
>>20492528
>Dragon Lance
Should check those out, they look comfy.

>>20493328
>Wizard Knight looks kind of interesting
>Episstolary style
God fucking damnit

>>20490047
>Tell me friend. What do they say about Truth?
That it shines.
>Are you sure? Perhaps it bleeds.
That too. If not, then why the Holy War?

>>20493380
>Dragonlance
There's a pretty great album based on those novels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUbqYOkv_l4

>>20493392
Another one (non-catholic) bites the one.

>>20493407
Epistolary means written as a series of letters you fucking mongoloid
I don't care if a story has abrahamist themes if it's good

'Herald of Shalia' feels like a fever dream. After the dissapointment that was T.A.P, I wanted some actuall solid erotica, so this being recommened in a lot of places made me read it. I expected, like, some elf fucking with plot being there just for the book not be pure smut, but damn, I this was just...weird. Don't get me wrong, this book has a lot of elf fucking, but not like just fucking, ya know? The litrpg system is trash, the fighting scenes were entirely dull and boring, and honestly the book would be better without them.

The premise is that a human man is Isekaied(?) to a fantasy world by a Godess Shalia to help her followers. So he lands in a village of elves...where there aren't any males. And the elves are horny as fuck, downright begging the protagonist to fuck them. No bullshiting like other smut litrpgs attempt to, the guy wants to fuck and the elves want too. Except that in this world fucking with non-humans is considered degenrate, deviant. At the start of the book the author states that the point of the book is to 'have fun,' and it really seems like it was the intention, except for the fighting scenes.

In restrospect, a lot of weirdness is explained after learning the author is a woman. Yes, it's erotica litrpg that seems marketed towards men, yet written by a woman. It's kinda hilarious honestly, all the interaction between women, it seems kina authentic, their bickering, friendliness, pettiness (all the women call the most beautiful elf in the village an old, ugly hag because she's over 100 years old. Yes,s he's still hot as fuck and doesn't look a day over 25), it's really on point, even if the stuff with synchronized period was fake, science-wise as far as I know. Anyone familiar with female writers knows they have no restraints, they are degenerate as fuck. A male erotica writer questions himself anytime they would write anything even remotely non-standard and controversial, women? They go all in. This might genuinely be the first self-published erotica with anal and fisting that I read, that should speak for itself.

Honestly, I didn't find the sex int he story that titillating, the descriptions just didn't do it for me. I don't think the author is a good writer, even if the book is really comfy. It's just a typical very strong male protagonist, but one where the protagonist just wants to fuck, shamelessly. The later parts of the buck are especially hilarious, when he goes to a brothel and wants to fuck all the monster girls, ending up with dog-girl, cat-gril and bunny-girl, who also give an entire theatrical act about catgirl chasing and fucking the bunny. . It's just damn fun, and the orgy at the end is just fitting.

Even though I didn't like it too much, I'll probably read at least the second book to see how it progresses, just because of the sheer hilarity.

6/10, would read about lustful cock-craving elves on period again.

>>20493419
Still not reading the shit genres.

What was his endgame?

>>20493432
Jobbing to the No-God like a cuck

>>20493418
Ntayrt, but I think he was referring to the Pauline Epistles, which Wolfe has cited as a major source of inspiration.

>>20493432
Initially to answer the summons of his father, then world-domination

>>20493432
When I read the second part of the series I started for some reason thinking that Esmenet is Yatwer, Cnaiur is Ajokli, Kellhus is the Solitary God
and now as I'm on my third reread of the first trilogy I am beginning to think the same more and more.

>>20493472
I'm convinced the no-god is an ancient AI superweapon and the Inchoroi just don't fucking know how to make more

>>20493328
bullshit chart, try again

>>20491829
lightbringer series. it's quite hardcore catholic

>>20493328
Best chart ever made in this shit hole.

>>20493543
accept the fact that you fell for the meme and posted a troll chart.

>>20493543
Based. Same.

Chartmaker is true bro.

>>20490640
first zones of thought book
i liked it when i met the hive mind dograt pack, now ive got a hard boner because of the thought zones
i wish i knew about this series sooner

>>20493392
>>20493418
you seriously have trouble reading epistolary novels?
pathetic desu

screwtape letters

>>20493557
Based Chartmaker appreciator.

>>20493328
What's funny about this chart is the anon just took random suggestions from anons in the thread and put them up no questions asked. I daresay this is the most representative chart of the average /sffg/ poster's taste desu.

>>20493328
>putting Harry Potter and Roger Zelazny above Prydain and Eddings
>malazan at A4
>Piranesi at C
>Dragonbone Chair isn't in S-tier
That's a truly an awful chart. I don't even want to imagine who made this.

>>20493419
Seems that you don't post any of this to your profile though.

I've read multiple non-erotica that has lesbian fisting. Yes, they were written by women.

I think it's really silly that you're concerned about degeneracy and reading this. I really don't think a male writer questions their self like that. Erotica For Prudes is a funny idea.

Overall, I think you protest too much.

Why are so many people crying over a simple chart?

>>20493637
Nah, it was probably only a few spamming their taste and not at all representative.

>>20493656
Truth cuts deep.

>>20493656
>MY TASTE GOOD!!!
>YOUR TASTE BAD!!!
You know that the chart is good when so many people get triggered like this.

>>20493657
>it was probably only a few spamming their taste
Sounds representative of this general to me lmao.

>>20493657
>it was probably only a few spamming their taste and not at all representative.
Would explain why the chart is terrible. Who thinks harry potter and the black company are somehow of comparable quality?

>>20493657
Not really, no.

>>20493680
Harry Potter is not a bad children‘s book.

>>20493645
>Roger Zelazny
I got meme'd into getting the complete Amber omnibus. Only read the first one but it was really awful.

>>20493104
I recommend that you learn the basics of speed reading anon. This last month I read about ten books. Mostly Shakespeare plays and some Star Wars novels. On average I finish a novel in couple of nights when reading.

Is it just me, or have the last 4 or 5 threads (including this one) been really awful?

>>20493715
Just you.

cool drops splashing on jolenta booba as she & severian lazily drift along the water

>>20493057
Yes. You have to accept that he's not Robert Jordan. So, don't expect him to be. That said, they're some of my favorite books in that series. There are a couple rough spots in them. He doesn't quite get some characters right. I'd argue that they're better than half the middle books though. That slog was real.

>>20493715
I think the local janny gave up or got fired or something.

>>20493380
Dragon Lance was my jam as a kid. That said, II wouldn't stray to far from the main books. There are some really awful books in the series.

>>20493730
No the jannies are alive. In every thread some of my posts are deleted.

>>20493543
Post 3 other charts that you have saved so that we may compare.

>>20493748
Why would I need more charts when that‘s the best one?

/sffg/
/nrl/
/metal/
/crpg/
/köt/
The Five Holy Threads.

>>20493755
/crpg/
Mein neger

>>20493478
this makes so much sense

Just finished reading Cradle, got to say the recommendations are not unwarranted. I'm not a fan of overarching "Way" plot and the writer struggles with believable communities, groups and interactions between MC and them but otherwise it's a fairly solid novel if you are looking for standard cultivation story with good characters.

>>20493907
Still not reading cultivation.

>>20493907
ok, but who asked?

>>20493913
didn't need the last word

>>20493921
>>20493918
this

>>20493419
I was reading that the 6th book was rejected by Amazon and they are having to rewrite it.

Also the author is a male and female duo.

>>20493918
I asked.

>>20493907
I read Cradle based on recommendations here. It was ok, but didn't really draw me in. I hated every single character too much to really be invested in the story. I never bothered to look into the rest of the series.

I still don't know what 'cultivation' means.

>>20493944
Not my problem.

>>20490047
Of homoerotic trash maybe lmfao

>>20490640
Just started A Wizard of Earthsea, afterwards I'll probably just finish The Draco Tavern idk.

>>20491345
Based and accurate

>>20490640
Altered Carbon
probably the sequel I guess

>>20494018
Dogs barking

>>20491059
YWNBAW

>>20493907
>I'm not a fan of overarching "Way"
i agree, it's a bit too out there.

>>20494018
>trash
Bakker is not your average garbage writer, he NEVER produces trash, he only writes with the most sublime of prose, the most complex of philosophy, the most supreme of grimdark, and he sprinkles it with the most exquisite of nihilism, a pleb like you would NEVER understand the power of Bakker, you will live in the misery of the likes of sandersoi, while the chads live under the supremacy of Bakker.

>>20491059
I accept your defeat.

>>20493945
Cultivation practices as in what one might see in Daoism. Also see "internal alchemy"

>>20494046
>nihilism

Brainlet tier philosophy

>>20493225
He is very based, how far are lad

>>20493156
Truly the dark days

>>20494076
No, not really.

>>20490025
Hello /sffg/
I am trying to remember the name of a book I half read when I was a teenager
It was SF Masterworks, I only half remember it, steampunk, about an archeologist who wins big on some steam-car race, there was also much talk of this set of mysterious punch-cards that I assume programmed some fancy computer or something, maybe Charles Babbage was in it?
Any ideas?

>>20494168
trash

>>20490640
three quarters of the way through urth
i love this nigga like you wouldn't believe

i think i'll put legends and latte on the backburner and finally start with TWI.

>>20494066
>practices one might see in Daoism.
>internal alchemy

Also things I'd never heard of before.

>>20494250
It's a very popular genre in china, being that it's rooted in chinese mythology.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T8jaSOqPo4

>>20493933
>I was reading that the 6th book was rejected by Amazon and they are having to rewrite it.
>Also the author is a male and female duo.
Rejected how? Too extreme content? That would be hilarious.

>>20491699
Erikson's an anthropologist with a post modern bent, there's no getting away from that.

>>20494200
he is a liar and a rapist

...

>>20494389
mispost retard please ignore

>>20494389
You’re on /wowg/ too? I guess this general is based after all.

>>20494413
no. just saw an expo thread on /v/.
on topic: I'm liking altered carbon so far

>>20494284
Something to do with a bot algorithm and not getting access to an actual human to override it. They have a facebook page under the name Tamryn Tamer if you want to read about it.

>>20494250
Basically it's gathering energy from the surroundings and cultivating it within yourself to attain power.

Why didn't I care for Sabriel when I read it? It's got all the things I like, like female protagonist, a journey, a bland but traditional fantasy world, etc.

>>20494617
its kinda boring
but she's still my girl

>>20494617
>Why didn't I care for Sabriel when I read it? It's got all the things I like, like female protagonist, a journey, a bland but traditional fantasy world, etc.
Probably not the right mood desu

>>20494617
>all the things I like,
>like female protagonist,
Coomer

>>20493380
>Yeah, seems the author finally put it out there for the public.
Well I'm about 60 pages into it and it is vicious so far.
>11 year old boy-to-girl tranny kills itself
>'The Undertaker' BRUTALLY murders its far-left lesbian parents after the funeral
I'm loving this so far.

>>20492588
I like how I mentioned this book once and already it's caught on with at least one anon.

>>20495059
There's not even any sex. Wish there was.

>>20490157
Fimbulwinter
Smut is boring (apart from that one stupid maid, that was hot), but otherwise the story is solid.

>>20490820
It's pretty boring. I guess it was just baby's first time loop.

>>20495379
Fuck E William Brown. I am so pissed he is milking the paypiggies instead of fucking publishing Daniel Black.

>>20493419
Smut anon let me recommend you a series with creative sex scenes and a halfway interesting story. The temple of Cocidius.

>>20495421
What makes them creative?

what do you niggas have against jolenta's booba?

>>20495440
Go be a coomer somewhere else.

>>20495430
Robotic BBCs that never stop until the female's brain is a mush.

>>20494617
>like female protagonist
Female protagonists are male self-inserts. Sabriel is a female who happens to be the protagonist.

>>20495663
Bland.

is /sffg/ a left wing or right wing general?

>>20495770
it's a science fiction and fantasy general general

>>20495770
neither, it's a supreme general

>>20495833
I thought it was a meme, but he really is supreme. Reading Bakker is like a dream!

Has it been 3 days already?

>>20495868
>but he really is supreme. Reading Bakker is like a dream!
Poetic, this is what happens when you read Bakker, you will gain the sublime art of prose, and you will fuck a lot of hoes, your dick will grow long like a hose, and have the sandersois beneath your toes.

>>20495870
Looks like it.

>>20490464
In book 2 the prince makes a point if NOT raping a bitch and she gets upset about it.

The trilogy is great and you should get the stick out of your ass. A lot of old fairy tales have rape in them and it's basically one long fairy tale.

>>20490047
I'm reading the darkness that comes before right now, just made it to the emperor chapter and so far I'm bored out of my mind. It's been nothing but a constant slew of made-up names collusions, conspiracies and lore dumping nonstop. Nothing is allowed to settle or develop, it's been gatling-gun spewing at me new names. Is this what good fantasy is supposed to be?

>>20496013
>Is this what good fantasy is supposed to be?
No, that would be Lord of the Rings. Or anything written by Lord Dunsany.

Brandon Sanderson is the quintessential writer for the times, because he isn't an artist. Every book is an engineering project for him to complete. Stories are pumped out with mechanical regularity. He could be replaced by an AI, and in the future he will be. The future for art is bleak, the future for stories is prolific.

>>20496034
OH NO MASS MARKET FICTION IS DERIVATIVE
ITS THE END TIMES

Anyone else read this? Got finished a while ago and let it settle.
I liked some parts of it, but there's so much that's a constant reminder that a woman wrote it.
Slaves, rape, underage sex galore, more slavery, way too much time spent on family relations and trees, incest, a race of literal magic transexuals in pastel colours. Even through all that I liked the main guy.

>>20496013
>Is this what good fantasy is supposed to be?
God no. Try reading Dunsany, Wolfe, MacDonald, Tolkien, Smith, Peake, Le Guin, Vance, Howard, and Moorcock. For a more contemporary taste, there’s Guy Gavriel Kay, Tad Williams and George Martin.

>>20496034
Can't wait for AIs to become advanced enough to just pump out endless world building manuals so you brain dead idiots can jack off to that and let actual creative and original writers publish something interesting for a change.

>>20496045
thought it was very good but because I read it on release and forgot some things I didn't read the sequels.
Epic fantasy is unfortunately better to read once the whole series is out

>>20496048
that would be great

>>20494200
Excellent stuff anon. If you’re on Sword of the Lictor that’s considered the best one by lots of folks. (Including me).
>>20493398
Neat anon. I always associate Dragonlance with the Project A-Ko soundtrack since I saw some streamer play through the video games with those on.
>>20493737
Kek, wouldn’t doubt it. I’m not expecting anything groundbreaking with them, just some comfy weekend reading.
>>20495172
Kek, sounds pretty funny. Though, I question how sincere the author is that they’re just supposed to be satire.

>>20496074
this is the misery of the sanderson reader, they read AIs.

>>20495761
Makes no sense, if she was male self insert why is she even a female? why not just write character as a male?

>>20493715
The last thread was great, then again, the jannie was doing a good job in removing the shitters ruining /sffg/.

>>20495980
>In book 2 the prince makes a point if NOT raping a bitch and she gets upset about it.
I don't know why you would tell me this. It's just more fuel for my criticism of the author.

I don't really care if old stories had rape in them or not. A theme having been uses in older literature doesn't *automatically* mean that using it in newer literature is good. It actually has to be handled well.

>>20496112
>Kek, sounds pretty funny. Though, I question how sincere the author is that they’re just supposed to be satire.
It's satire that's eviscerating this unholy age we live in.

I am trying to remember a short story I read online, but I think did not originate online.

A person dies and they wake up in a bed and meet "god", a floating orb if I'm remembering correctly.

basically humanity is an experiment for the god to learn something new

and they engage in discussion

any ideas? apologies for the vagueness

>>20496231
Try google.

>>20490640
>reading
House of Leaves
it's been a fun experience to read, but overall it's just slightly better than alright, I think
>planning to read
either Gideon the Ninth or Priory of the Orange Tree, I haven't decided yet
Priory is just one book, but I also want to get started on the locked tomb series before book 3 releases whenever and I read slow as hell

This was a good story, don’t know why people hate it.

>>20496237
House of leaves is probably one of my favorite books. I still catch myself thinking about it and realizing new things long after I've put it down. There's so much to miss, so many layers. So many floors and hallways.

>“I don’t read much now, not even fairy-stories. And then I’m always looking for something I can’t find.” We asked what that was. He replied, “Something like what I wrote myself.” In a letter to the Plimmers commenting on the draft version of this passage, Tolkien clarified his remark: I read quite a lot—or more truly, try to read many books (notably so-called Science Fiction and Fantasy). But I seldom find any modern books that hold my attention. I suppose because I am under “inner” pressure to complete my own work—and because of the reason stated [in the interview]: “I am looking for something I can’t find.”

>>20496231
I wanna say it's Mark Twain but I can't be sure, I think I've read that one online somewhere.
It was a guy who meets "god" and they have a debate that winds up with god tricking him into thinking of a way to kill him, because god wanted to die right?

>>20496254
we'll see if that happens to me after I'm done, but I'm near the end and I don't find myself dwelling on any of the multitude of details
I wish I could say I liked Johnny Truant's story
the actual story of Karen and Will and the explorations are great, hence the averaging out to 'just slightly better than alright'

>>20490025
I read Wheel of Time and I'm on book 3 of Sword of Truth, sadly it's just not cutting it for me. Recommend me a comfy fantasy series to read. Waifus are a plus.

>>20496329
Rogues of Merth

>>20496329
Dragonlance Chronicles

>>20496319
>I wish I could say I liked Johnny Truant's story
I think he's a necessary part of the book, especially when I realized some things about who he is. I'd love to gush about my discoveries but I don't wanna take it away from you figuring it out on your own.

>>20496047
>Try reading Dunsany, Wolfe, MacDonald, Tolkien, Smith, Peake, Le Guin, Vance, Howard, and Moorcock.
A good list, shame Fantasy peaked early on.

>For a more contemporary taste, there’s Guy Gavriel Kay, Tad Williams and George Martin.
Doesn't Gavriel deal with historical fiction?

>>20496351
>Doesn't Gavriel deal with historical fiction?
No, but his stories are fantasy, if rather in the low end, and are largely based off kingdoms of old. Like Tigana.

>>20496172
>I don't really care if old stories had rape in them or not. A theme having been uses in older literature doesn't *automatically* mean that using it in newer literature is good. It actually has to be handled well.
Ah, then you're going to have a rough time here since most people here don't care about that, though I am sympathetic to your views.

>>20496172
>>20496375
This is 4chan duders rape rules here

>>20495417
>Fuck E William Brown.
Are you that idiot who still pays for his Patreon or something? Didn't someone tell you to stop doing that?

>>20496283
dang, I'm not sure.

I came across http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

which could be it, but still feels wrong. but again I could be wrong. I read it awhile ago (maybe even from stumbleupon lol)

>>20496430
Jesus, just read to see if it's the right story.

>>20493629
Dracula was a terrible novel.

>>20496157
The last thread lasted for two days. That’s really uncommon.

>>20496458
Are you retarded? Of course I read it. I'm saying it might be if I'm misremembering from the one time I read 10 years ago.

Maybe people here have read what I have more specifically talked about: an orb that wants to learn something from a dead male

>>20496488
The first third of the book, where Renfield travels to and then gets stuck in Dracula's castle, is amazing. Extremely vivid and powerful. Peak gothic horror fiction. It is strong enough that it warrants the book being considered a classic, even though last two thirds is somewhat flat and disappointing.

How do I become a great sci-fi writer? Most people seem to start when they turn 40 so I have 20 years to prepare my story right

>>20496548
>How do I become a great sci-fi writer?
By asking the writing general. >>20493091

>>20496511
>Maybe people here have read what I have more specifically talked about: an orb that wants to learn something from a dead male
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

>>20496349
I don't think he's unnecessary, and I can appreciate (attempt at) the story of his deterioration as he commits himself to the book, but as a character, I couldn't find myself invested
please feel free to gush, I just wrapped up the book
I missed one section of the appendices somehow (II-F - Various Quotes, don't know if it was footnoted somewhere, I thought I was pretty diligent on reading every footnote) so I'll read those tomorrow morning

Really bummed that the sci-if story I’ve been following on royal road hasn’t been updated in 5 months.

>>20494155
The Difference Engine. I thought the story itself was so-so but the frame story the singularity looking back on itself was interesting. Kind of like getting the Wintermute/Neuromancer's memory of the events of Neuromancer.

>>20496582
I literally posted that and said I didn't think it was what I remembered but said it might be.

????

>>20496620
Anon, then it might be the story you’re looking for.

>>20496597
I'll keep it quick since I'm going to bed after this post.
The final page is this, the Yggdrasil. The world tree of norse mythology that's inversed, upside-down. The roots and crown are reversed. Similarly, the story written upon it's leaves/paper is upside-down.
Johnny Truant is fictional.
Zampano is a very troubled man with 80 familiar years/cats and eventually they all go away, some are killed violently (was he involved in a war?)
With "P" or whoever she is an allegorical counterpart of, Zampano wanted to have a son, but his son isn't there. He's truant. He's gone, perhaps he was birthed once but died and this caused his "P" grief.

In some of the chapters you can decode by taking the first letter of each word, someone asks "dear zampano, who did you lose?" to which he replies later "someone who loved my ironies."

Johnny Truant inherits things from Zampano, perhaps his violent outbursts (his "minotaur") that he fears haunts him, the violent tendencies or darkness in people he notices like the bimbo who killed the puppy. Like his outburst on the guy who tracked him down for fucking his girlfriend.

Navy (house is navy blue get it haha) is Odin, who hangs himself from the tree. He loses an eye and discovers runes/wisdom. Another time I'll gush about Navy, he's pretty interesting too but for me what sucked me in was Zampano and Johnny Truant. Johnny's mad schizophrenic rants always underneath Navy's logical, well put-together story of false information that may reflect Zampano's life, the troubled mind of Zampano beneath his house, that holds a minotaur he fears will tear him apart.
The nihhoggr gnawing at the roots of the tree.

>less than 10 pages into the novel and Vance is already going on about an ogre raping a woman
I like his fantasy stuff, but I'm sort of getting sick of his perverted ways.

>>20496655
Read Tolkien. He’s better.

>>20496655
I think all the perverted shit in Lyonesse is hilarious. Maybe you guys that harp on about the rape stuff don't get the jokes
>>20496660
Vance is a hundred times more entertaining to read.

>>20496679
>Maybe you guys that harp on about the rape stuff don't get the jokes
What jokes?

>>20496679
Don't really mind all the rape stuff, but this is getting into pedo realms.

>>20496495
For many years the most common duration for the threads was three days or more and then years ago now the spammers arrived.

>leave my pouch of tobacco outside for the day
>now it's all dried out
Short story for this feel, halfling bros?

>>20496548
>be original
>be persistent
>revise a lot

>>20496697
Do you expect there to be a specific exchange of dialogue with a punchline? I'm sorry you don't get Vance's humour but his wit is dry and funny as fuck. Just the very idea that there's a wizard who was made by another wizard, who winds up trying to fuck a woman who is half a witch knowing she was sent to kill him, tricks talking mountains and lives, think about the absurdity of all these types of scenarios in those books I bet Vance had an absolute blast writing it. Yes, even the rape parts are, for the most part, funny. Best fantasy trilogy.

>>20496728
These threads become better whenever the spammer or shitters get ban. The difference is startling.

>>20496746
Doesn’t sound like a joke. More like a story, a mediocre one, but a story nonetheless.

>>20496655
Threadly reminder that most fantasy settings are hugely infantilized compared to the actual middle ages. Even by grimderp authors. Vance just gives you the barest hint of how things actually would actually be with a wink and a smile for irony's sake.

>>20496722
That's your internalized Judaism talking.

>>20496722
Pretty sure that's a common sentiment.

>>20496047
>Smith
>MacDonald
Who

>>20496795
I read Mazirian twice at different times to try to get into Vance but it was a no go. I guess I'll try a third time looking at it through a comic lens but I think I'll end up getting into Viriconium or rereading Bester

>>20496872
start with the Greeks

>>20496872
It’s sad that you don’t know them. Zoomers really are cursed.

>there are people ITT who haven't even read CAS
Fuck this.

Anybody else who rips litrpg trash with web2epub have issues with screen boxes not showing up on an e-reader? I get black boxes. The official published volumes don't have this issue, thankfully.

>>20496872
Clark Ashton Smith and George Macdonald

>>20496914
I'm pretty sure he was joking. There's no way people here don't know them.

>>20496928
maybe. i like to assume sincerity, though

>>20496935
>i like to assume sincerity,
Really a terrible thing to do, especially on /sffg/.

>>20496935
That seems stupid. All that would do is enable the shitposters.

>>20496873
If you can't get into Vance, why bother, read an author you life.

>>20496329
Did you like wheel of time?

So, apparently Nintendo is translating the Mother -The Original Story- novels and I wonder if anyone has read them.

>>20497039
>Nintendo is translating the Mother -The Original Story- novels
Very few, game novels are any good. The only ones that I know that are passable are the resident evil novels.

>pedo stuff
Elaborate

>>20497075
What’s there to elaborate? Don’t you know what pedo means?

>>20497084
I was wondering if he meant that Vance was inserting pedo fetish or if it's like grimdark stuff.

>>20497093
If you go by his posts it’s the former.

Would you read this book?

>>20497110
No

>>20497110
No and I'm sympathetic to the reviewer. Lots of fantasy series have names and events I don’t know about nor care about. It's gotten to the point on why do fantasy writers do this shit. Why do they assume readers will give two shits about their fake history that won't stand up to scrutiny? More importantly, why do they always copy Tolkien and botch the attempt? With Tolkien, I can at the very least, tolerate, even enjoy his worldbuilding at times, but not the hacks that try to copy him.

>>20497110
I would.

>>20497110
i would, and i have, and it was good

>>20497124
That's funny you say that. Here's Bakker explaining Tolkien's worldbuilding (posting under Anonymous):
http://starsbeetlesandfools.blogspot.com/2015/06/worldbuilding-bakker-vs-harrison.html?showComment=1458932736180&m=1#c37276215730171758

>>20497124
>More importantly, why do they always copy Tolkien and botch the attempt?
Because none of the modern fantasy authors have an inkling of experience as Tolkien. Really, Tolkien set the bar high when it comes to fantasy and it shows. Just wish fantasy authors would try to make their own fake languages.

>>20497141
>If you want a philosophical defense
And I stopped reading there.

>>20494086
Around page 100, but this is my second read through the trilogy. I love Gormenghast so much bros.

>>20497124
>More importantly, why do they always copy Tolkien and botch the attempt?
Because none of the modern fantasy authors have an inkling of experience as Tolkien. Really, Tolkien set the bar high when it comes to fantasy and it shows. Just wish fantasy authors would try and stop making their own fake languages. They aren’t linguistic and it fucking shows.

>>20497141
>J.G Keely triggered Bakker for not accepting his deflection.
My respect for Keely increased and Bakker, again, shows himself as a sad pathetic creature that he can’t take criticism.

>The novel is already dated. There are memes in there that were dated five years ago. I do hope that the novel does create a snapshot, because that’s something I love — I love reading old books that are eras frozen in amber; I love timeless books too, but I love books with hip references that we don’t get any more. I love all the utterly impenetrable references to things that were hip at the time in Gilbert & Sullivan operettas. The novel will date; it will date horribly; then it will at some point go all the way around to “What a wonderful period piece,” unless we have all died due to climate change.
Fucking BASED.

>>20497154
Tolkien went his life trying to find another who could match him >>20496279
There's still no one like him. Even Dothraki from GoT and Elder Speech from Witcher were not really created by the authors but by hired people for the TV adaptations.

I'm addicted to litrpg.... help

>>20497193
Snap out of it! You know it's shit, don't you? Don't you?!

>>20497193
Read what you enjoy.

>>20497183
>There's still no one like him.
And there will never be. Fantasy has been going downhill ever since.

>>20497193
go back to /a/ isekai generals

>>20490025
I'm readin stations of the tide right now and this book is based as fuck. I'll write a review when I'm done. Anyone else read it?

>>20497193
me too

>>20497169
I didn't even realize that was Keely's blog.

>>20497183
>Even Dothraki from GoT and Elder Speech from Witcher were not really created by the authors but by hired people for the TV adaptations.
And even then, it wasn’t good.

>>20497075
Protag of Lyonesse #1 is a little girl. It gets a little gross.

>>20497215
It's on the list, anon. Keen for your thoughts.

>>20496679
>Vance is a hundred times more entertaining to read
No

>>20497193
What'd you been reading?

>>20496889
How would that help him?

>>20496252
I liked it, but it really did need more loli's. Loli's being penetrated by sentient spiders. The second one was about squids, lolis can have fun with them too.

>>20497351
Kys pedo

>>20497351
Why are you sick in the head?

>>20493220
Bru, when I'm in the swing of things I can get through three books a day. I'm faster when its a physical copy too. But 2x is pleb tier, I even have my dad doing 2x YouTube, gotta kick those numbers up, depending on the narrator I can peak out at around 4.5x.

I have no problem with comprehension, I just don't have the bandwidth to get more data in faster.

Sometimes I read one book while listening to a second. One of these day's I'm going to play with vr so I can hack the screen to two displays and let me read two books at once, then put a book in each ear.

Any recs for good fantasy YA novels?

>>20497427
It’s sci-fi but red rising.

>>20497474
I read that, isn't that just Hunger games, but in Mars or something?

>>20497563
Yeah, but that’s the first book only.

>>20497618
>>20497563
>>20497474
if any series has even the slightest smell of hunger games, i dont want to read it, instead I vomit

>>20497618
Alright, then. It better be good.

>>20497636
Changed my mind. Its bad, holy shit!

>>20497653
What do you gain in pretending to be me?

>>20497636
It will. Especially the sequel.

>>20490640
>Reading
Slan
Planning to Read
I'm not sure

>>20497631
What if it's Battle Royale and Hunger Games wears its cologne?

New thread
>>20497794

>>20497427
Read some xianxia not advertised as xianxia.

>>20497285
She ages though. And the main protags through the 3 books are teen/adult men, too.