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>>20455945
at all went downhill from socrates

>>20455945
What kind of golf swing is that?

Hegel is fine, it is the post- Being and Time Heidegger that is cancer. The man single handedly destroyed philosophical prose in the Continent. This torture of language you find in Lacan/Deriida/Foucault Deleuze was started by him.

>>20455945
Correct. He inaugurated the era of philosophy as exercise in obscure jargon to get tenure in university and get published, in which we still find yourselves.

>>20455945
Hegel is one of the most overrated philosophers
needing 100,000 words to say "lol bro doesn't history like kinda repeat itself?"

>>20456868
My boy, Hegel and his philosophy is one of the route causes for Communism, fascism and other retard led movements because "it'll get better in the bro I promise!"

>>20458198
hegel, communism, and christianity are all all a part of the same apocalyptic tradition. fascism is just racist liberalism

>>20458198
stop reading james lindsay you subhuman turd and read a book

>>20455945
Nobody likes Hegelian philosophy

HE-gell or HAY-gul?

>>20460240
https://youtu.be/U48x45IoIXQ
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>>20458198
>nooooo you should accept mediocre beliefs, lives, and societies, avoiding the worst of all possible evils, death, despite reducing life to a fraction of its glory
negative liberty fags are the worst

>>20458221
and communism is just atheistic Christianity.

that's the punchline. WW2 was a 3-way liberalism civil war.

>>20458198
>>20458221
>>20461756
>>>/pol/

>>20455945
Somehow everyone read Hegel to be saying the exact opposite of what he was trying to say. He is not a thinker of “synthesis”, there is no final moment when all contradictions are resolved. The core of his thought is that reality is INHERENTLY contradictory in its ontological foundations, you can never get away from it. Hegel takes the Kantian antinomies of reason and, rather than assuming that there must be something wrong with unrestrained pure reason, he instead adopts the view that our inability to avoid contradiction is disclosing something important and true about the nature of thought and the world.
He’s not this thinker of peace and order that people take him to be, he’s far more radical and chaotic than that.

>>20455945
you haven't read Hegel

>>20461756
if you have faith in the people (God) is it really atheistic? I would argue this is simply the procession of the world spirit, which includes previous christian historical movements, into the secular domain

>>20455945
true
europe has basically fucked itself over culturally

>>20462574
*germany

>>20455945
what did phenomenology have to do with the downfall of human society through postmodernism and rampant technological development?

>>20461795
/thread literally exactly what it is

>>20458198
Why? Can you please tell me how do you start with Hegel's Elements of Philosophy of Right and end up communism and fascism?

>>20461795
This is Zizek, not Hegel. Hegel has to assume an end of the dialectical process, otherwise he is stuck with a bad infinity. He also needs an absolute telos, otherwise the dialectical process is aimless. Also, since his system is circular, there must be an end, otherwise everything before that is ungrounded.

>>20455945
The disaster produced hegel

It is impossible in accord to all rationality and all empirical knowledge, that any thing could ever improve upon its prototype - there can be no 'evolution' no 'dialectics' or any such nonsense. Hegel by the way proves that himself, should you actually try to read his drivel, you'll find that he regularly utilizes contradiction a proof, which is an inversion of Reason and therefore satanic

>>20464092
>an inversion of Reason and therefore satanic
what do you mean by this?

Everything after Aristotle has been useless or commentaries on Aristotle, even then he's a downgrade from the Pre-socratics

>>20456868
are you fucking retarded? heidegger didnt start that shit at all... of course, sartre was inspired by heidegger, but did not understand any of his shit. besides, the french are just faggots.

>>20464283
If your thought leads to a contradiction, it means your thought is wrong, either because the logic has flaws or because the categories do not match reality. Either case it is dellusional, there is nothing wrong with that but if you insist upon dellusion and power through it you are not just stupid but Evil since you lack Truth, and Truth, Beauty and the Good are one. Hegel not only ignores the contradictions but embraces them, even worse, bestows a kind of divine flavour to them which is pseudo-mysticism and actively satanic, Satan here understood as the spirit in man that revels in inversion of the Truth

>>20464364
Interesting.
>the categories do not match reality.
>Hegel not only ignores the contradictions but embraces them
My understanding was that the resolve of the contradiction was the "divine flavour", not the contradiction itself. Not only that, it was also my impression that the true/good/beautifull was the telos of said resolvement. I have not read Hegel yet mind you but you mean to say this is not the case? I´m reading Kant right now and I thought this was the whole point of "overcoming" Kant. To find grounding and purpose in relation to the contradictions we experience.

>>20464409
Nah it's been a couple of years I attempted reading his book on the Geist, as far as I remember he will actually say with a straight face "this is contradictory, but it is okay ~because" and even goes as far as saying that Reality itself is ontologically contradictory, at that point I stopped reading the book considering it just waste on my phone, and so should you. There are no contradictions in the Truth, if you think there are chances you are quite far from it

>>20464296
I've been thinking about the influence of Aristotle's conception of matter and the substratum of all things (primary matter). This concept has never been escaped from, almost every metaphysics after Aristotle mention it and give it considerable attention, even people such as Nietzsche.

Agreed.