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>>20450530
He had a brain tumour, didn't he? The gradually-increasing pressure is what caused the migraines all his life.

>>20450530
>erratic behavior
>delusions of grandeur
>thought disorder
Sounds like le Dionysus inspired him with permanent mania

>>20450545
le divine madness

>>20450548
I do think this is more likely than a simple Syphilis / Brain Tumour hypothesis. If you look at his Delusion Notes he signs them both as Dionysus and The Crucified One. This is very significant given that Christianity and Dionysian thought are diametrically opposed in Nietzsche's writing.

As the hermetic sayings go - all opposites are false, just differences in degree. Heraclitus - Nietzsche's favourite philosopher - also noted this when describing such opposites as a bow.

I believe Nietzsche was finally able to reconcile Master and Slave Morality, but paid the price with his own sanity. Quite how he did this though is a mystery.

>>20450575
No, Heraclitus has nothing to do with Hermetic principles and sayings. In Heraclitus the opposites are not reconciled, they are not sublated into something greater, there is nothing platonic and hegelian in Heraclitean philosophy.
> I believe Nietzsche was finally able to reconcile Master and Slave Morality
What the fuck does this even mean?

>>20450530
Probably syphilis from a untended cut

>>20450845
He never had syphilis.

>>20450856
Well, any guess is pure speculation since we weren’t there. The top Nietzsche scholar and translator thought it was a cut he received during his military days.

>>20450871
It is no guess. There are medical documents discarding the possibility of syphilis.

>>20450891
Then it’s probably something hereditary because his father died in his 30’s

>>20450835
>Explain what Heraclitus' bow referred to
>Explain why Nietzsche would refer to himself both as Christ and Dionysus if he did not think the two were reconciled
You can't

>>20450898
His father died of brain liquefaction, btw.

>>20450905
You do know that medical ailments can be undiagnosed, right? Especially in the 19th century

>>20450530
idk where I heard this from and if its even true, but he may of reached some sort of enlightenment and/or breakthrough and only claimed to be insane so he would be sent to a nice psychiatric facility to live out the rest of his days in bliss and without disturbance. his friends were also in on it.

>>20450530
>was in the process of having all anti-Semites shot dead
Dropped

>>20450952
>nice psychiatric facility
>19th century
You’re kidding, right?

>>20450530
Nietzsche threads are the worst.

>>20450979
the person who was saying all of this said that the place he got sent to was actually quite a nice place

>>20450915
I don't understand what you mean. His father actually died of brain liquefaction and yes, we can't know what was the cause.

>>20451008
What was the cause in the cases of Nietzsche and his father.

>>20450530
No one knows on account of a lack of records at the time, but considering he lived for about 11 years and wrote nothing after writing pretty much EVERY DAY for a decade prior, and people came to see him regularly as if to check in on him, and photos of him from that time show various physical signs of muscle contractions, and his father died from some ailment of the brain, it's safe to say that it was something neurological / in the head i.e. a legitimate medical issue rather than anything psychological or philosophical.

>>20450904
I’m disputing your understanding of Heraclitus, which is does not resonate with his thought. The bow is employed in different fragments, what do you want to know about it?
As for Christ, Nietzsche repeatedly expressed respect for him. Nevertheless, his signing as The Crucified shouldn’t be reduced to a simplistic guess that therefore Nietzsche converted to Christianity, or that he hid a Christian faith within, or that he saw Dionysus and Christ as the same or complementary. Definitely not. Especially in this late stage (and in letters above all) he was very ironic and here we should remember that Dionysus is the god of simulation, he is both victim and the responsible for the sacrifice. Madness dissolves the Ego, the I, thus signing a letter without any identification of the I, this is a sign of madness, and not of a supposed sober reconciliation as you think, unless you think equilibrium and sobriety can be found in madness, which can be discussed.

>>20450530
syphilis

>>20451130
>>20450891

>>20450530
He only died because he ran out of health

>>20450530
his soul left him to incarnate into Hitler. Because of Nietzche's rejection of the metaphysical, his body did not die yet when his soul left him

>>20453719
So he proceeded to create Nazi Germany so that antisemitism would be put to rest, the last man would proliferate, and the Overman could come forth...
Bros... It checks out

Hereditary disease
His father died of some brain disease

>>20450530
Demonic possession.

>I gather from your brief allusions that our old friend Nietzsche has been holding himself aloof from you as well. There is no doubt that very striking changes have taken place in him; but anyone who observed him and his psychic spasms years ago could almost be justified in saying that a long-dreaded and not entirely unpredictable catastrophe had now overtaken him. I have retained sufficient friendship for him not to read his book – which I glanced through as I was cutting the pages – and can only wish and hope that he will thank me for it some day.
- Letter to Franz Overbeck 5/24/78

>How could I ever forget this friend of mine [Nietzsche] who was driven from me so forcefully? Although I constantly had the feeling that, at the time of his association with me, Nietzsche’s life was ruled by a mental spasm, and although it was bound to strike me as odd that this spasm could have produced so spiritually radiant and heart-warming a fire as was manifest in him to the astonishment of all, and although, finally, the ultimate decision which he reached in the inner development of his life filled me with the utmost horror when I saw how intolerable a pressure that spasm was finally causing him – I must no doubt also admit that in the case of so powerful a psychic process it is simply not possible to argue along moral lines and that one’s only response can be a shocked silence.
- Letter to Franz Overbeck 10/19/79

0 pussy

>>20450530
The horse story is a myth that was propagated from the equivalent of something mildly better than a tabloid years after he lost his head.

>>20453790
This, and retards don't realize that sensationalist gibberish, slander, and "fake news," along with the mass hysteria that comes with all of them, have been a thing for a very long time. There's a reason why the press / public newspapers have had critics since basically day one (Nietzsche being one of them).

Nietzsche is one of the most anti-semitic authors I've ever read.

>>20455377
So why did he claim when he snapped that he was having all the anti-semites shot dead? What did he discover?

>>20455586
He's not an anti-Semite, he's just anti-Semitic. If Genealogy of Morality or Antichrist were published today it would be banned by ADL and Amazon.

>>20450530
pushed his luck with the man upstairs

>>20450530
He died from Sisyphus

He got too uppity.

>>20450530
GRID

>>20450530
He was the og incel

>>20450575
>I believe Nietzsche was finally able to reconcile Master and Slave Morality, but paid the price with his own sanity
What do you think he arrived to?

that's what zero lou andreas salome does to a mfer

>>20450575
>This is very significant given that Christianity and Dionysian thought are diametrically opposed
This isn't actually all that clear. Dionysian thought is opposed to Apollonian as a contrary but it's also opposed to Platonism and scholasticism as a contradictory, to use Aristotelian terminology. While it's true that he calls Christianity Platonism for the masses, it also strays very far from Platonism proper and Alexandrinism which Nietzsche himself points out. Christianity is not "rational", it is a slave subversion of Rome and employs certain concepts, but in figures like Paul the deceit and anti-rationality is overt. It's also telling that in the ancient world Jesus was thought to be a derivative of Dionysus by many patricians who didn't care for either of the two cults, which were both considered slavish.

>>20455644
I'm not sure it is something that can be put into words anon - I think whatever it was completely broke Nietzsche, and is maybe something we aren't meant to know at this level of consciousness. I realise this is a pretty /x/ answer but it's what I believe most likely

>>20456414
You are still here trying to christianize what happened to Nietzsche as if he received some revelation that “broke him” in some pauline fashion? This is ridiculous and you probably never read Nietzsche. In his writings Nietzsche has always been conscious of the dyonisian intensity, if anything the consciousness or the feeling of this intensity increased in his later years, and it was not a sudden thing, but something already rooted in himself. If anything, I’d say Bataille was right in saying it was some sort of paroxysm of the Dionysian spirit.

>>20456567
Not remotely trying to Christianise it or compare him to Paul. He spent the last years of his life insane and comatose, not writing letters to the Corinthians. Might be worth reflecting on why you're so desperate for me to be making an argument I am not, it will probably reveal something interesting about your own psyche.

>>20450530
He realize /lit/ doesn’t read.

>>20450530
He was the og incel

>>20450952
sounds dumb

>>20450530
Quem Iuppiter vult perdere, dementat prius

>>20456567
Didn't Carl Jung visit him close to his death, and upon entering his room stated that Neitzsche seemed to "float above his body" engaged in an "intense psychic battle"? Or is it like the horse hoax?

>>20450530
Because he was retard.

>>20450530
Most likely something hereditary or something that could have been prevented with modern medicine. Nothing sensational