/lit/ - Literature

>>20448890
Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

I just looked through all 308 pages of your user history, figures I'm debating a glormpf supporter. A moron.

>>20449064
interesting reaction.

>>20449064
baste

>>20448502
Exactly what he says. Atheism is in effect if not by stated definition a negation of Abrahamic monotheism. The atheism of the Greeks in relation to the gods of the pantheon and so on was not the same thing because the nature of the religion is different.

>>20449007
No he is Jewish. Dumbass

>>20449162
Early life[edit]
Žižek was born in Ljubljana, PR Slovenia, Yugoslavia, into a middle-class family.[21] His father Jože Žižek was an economist and civil servant from the region of Prekmurje in eastern Slovenia. His mother Vesna, a native of the Gorizia Hills in the Slovenian Littoral, was an accountant in a state enterprise. His parents were atheists.[22] He spent most of his childhood in the coastal town of Portorož, where he was exposed to Western film, theory and popular culture.[3][23] When Slavoj was a teenager his family moved back to Ljubljana where he attended Bežigrad High School.[23] Originally wanting to become a filmmaker himself, he abandoned these ambitions and chose to pursue philosophy instead.[24]

>>20449064
nice pasta but the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" thing is kind of played out, much like "burden of proof" and other leddit nonsense.

>>20449009
yeah this

>>20448890
>How do you know if Shit is going to come out of my ass? You haven't even seen it yet.

>>20448502
He's doing the Lacanian negation

Surprisingly it aligns with the Jewish mysticism view of panentheism

https://youtu.be/TEuY46p5yH4

>>20449222
I've read his wiki.
>No parents early life
>loves coommunism
>big nose
>monkey chin like Harvey weinstein or Ron Perlman
You're missing obvious signs, he's deflecting by saying he hates jews.

>>20449312
Come up with something. And let us know what you think.

>>20448502
>Would you like to learn more

>>20449309

>>20449323
I already did. You don't have a good argument.

>>20449337
anarkiddies seethe at atheists because that stand seeing someone stop believing in God but still believe in reality

>>20449064
meds

>>20449378
yes Slovenians are meds

>>20449360
>I DONT LIKE HIS NOSE! ALRIGHT!?
Ah. I mean I wouldn’t mind if he were, but I just don’t believe your sob story. You sound like an antisemite, anon. That’s what’s bothering you?

>>20449363
You’re not making any sense anon.

>>20449387
>You’re not making any sense anon.
Im disagreeing with sterners criticism of what he coined the "pious atheist"

>>20449339
He's classically conditioning you with his hand movements

>>20449339
Love this

>>20448502
>what did he mean by this?
To be an Atheist you have to go through Christianity

>>20448502
Children get indoctrinated early, later make the best firmest atheists for having gone through that hell

Hes a retard and only pseuds and degenerate leftists read his works.

Judaism is so retarded you have to be a child to believe it.

>>20448502
atheism isn't generic. it mainly concerns christian european intellectual and moral developments.

>>20448885
Let's see a point-by-point refutation of his works then.

>>20448890
you have to go back

>>20448502
Why does he look jewish?

>>20448502
Doesn't pass the physiognomy check.

>>20448906
So that's a no?
>>20448946
Do you? Let's see.

>>20448915
Because you’re a paranoid antisemite

>>20448946
>posts an animu
*softly chuckles*

>>20448502
Polytheism (many) -> Christianity (one) -> atheism (none) -> anti-Christianity (-1) -> anti-polytheism (negative many).

He's right, but not for the reasons he thinks.

To be a nihilist, to want to return to nothing, to say that nothing is true, you must accept that everything came from nothing, creation ex nihilo.

All morals that atheists have are fading holdovers from Christian morality, held irrationally despite belief in nothing. People who cannot silence their conscience eventually return to Christ.

>>20448978
i wasn’t the one who posted that. it’s just that your snarky “*snorts* let’s see a point by point refutation of everything he ever wrote” response doesn’t own him, it’s just gay and makes you look like a dweeb.

>>20449042
>nooo you can't just ask someone to justify their categorical dismissal of a philosopher

>>20448502
>you HAVE to
Tired of fat communists telling me what I have to do.

>>20449012
>To be a nihilist
>to want to
Nope, Totally wrong

>>20449927
>Man, I sure am tired of philosophy teachers tellin’ me stuff!

>>20448502
the only people filtered by Zizek are contrarian twitter posters (complete wastes of time), normies and American Catholics.
That makes him de facto Based

>tellin’

>>20449012
>It"s another "atheism is nihilism" post

>>20448890
Neither of you have read his works, he has been releasing 2+ books per year since the 80's.

he's saying someone has to invent God in order to deny him

>>20449142
atheism literally means no gods you fucking pseud
imo the vast majority of christians today are atheists larping
none of them had a vision from christ or even believe that he was ressurected

>>20449312
read his Slovene wiki then you fuck
>Slavoj Žižek se je rodil 21. marca 1949 v Ljubljani. Njegova starša sta bila ateista. Oče, Jože Žižek, je bil ekonomist in državni uradnik iz Prekmurja, mati Vesna pa računovodkinja v državnem podjetju. Otroštvo je preživel v Portorožu, v zadnjem razredu osnovne šole pa so se Žižkovi ponovno preselili v Ljubljano.

typical Slovene communist elite upbringing

>>20449239
it's not nonsense. it's a normal response to a crappy argument. you thinking it's played out just goes to show how shit discussion has become on 4chan.

>>20451157

> implying there ever was discussion on 4chan

>>20448502
No one original idea that this guy had that wasn’t just an undergrad-thesis-level clarification of someone else’s idea.

>>20452248
There are no truly original ideas

>Lacanian analysis of a netflix movie!
It's all so tiresome

Normie atheism is
No god + jesus was cool tho I guess haha

>>20450321
Surely, no onw has time to read 2 whole books in a year.

>>20452739
How many of his books have you read? I bet it's less than 15

>>20449009
the negative bit pretty much doesn't exist though, since that'd probably be something like KILLING god(s).

>>20452753
Why would I read his books? His movies and lectures are far better at communicating his ideas.

>>20452908
And you know this how if you've never read his books? BTFO time to commit suicide NOW NOW NOW

>>20448946
He did when he was younger.

>>20452301
Yet /lit/ loves CounterCurrents

>>20449387
That's not even what I said nigger

>>20450745
Most communists were jews

>>20450745
>>20449387
Read nigger read

>>20453725

>>20448502
It’s funny because it’s the exact opposite. This is typical with Zizek; he’s contrarian purely for the sake of being so.

>>20450303
Because it is. Everyone saying otherwise are just coping hard.

>>20449239
>the whole "correlation doesn't equal causation" thing is kind of played out

Hardly. The proof of any theory is in the experimental evidence. That is rightfully the gold standard of proof. Many seemingly theories and plans, which seemed beautiful and perfect on paper, have fallen to the ground when they were put to the experimental test.

>>20449387
wait a minute, you aren't an antisemite?

>>20452814
And who says you can't?

schneed and so on

>>20448502
>degenerate spineless pseud who will kiss the feet of any protected group who tells them to do so

>>20449012
My morals come from observation not Christianity. Christianity came to the same conclusions because those who write the stories saw it too and needed a way to order everyone into following it in a time of before science for their own benefit. Just because we ultimately don't need the religion anymore to organise ourselves, doesn't make its teachings any less true.

>>20453731
>Google
>Wikipedia
Again, read nigga, read!

>>20448502
If you're fat, I disregard your opinion on anything but food.
I will pass on anything he has to say philosophically.

>>20454341
>not also disregarding food unless he cooks too

Just that thing people do where they try too hard to be profound.

>>20454341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EsalEAXFxo

>>20454319
Have you read anything anywhere backing up your paranoid suspicion that he’s Jewish?
>No, again, read nigga, read.

>>20454550
Not him but I'm just pointing out Google and wikipedia are extremely pozzed. You want to bring up a source to argue with then get an actual book.

>>20452908
true for lesser works like violence or first as tragedy, but hugely false for his major works like sublime object and less than nothing.

>>20448502


I'm not sure, I'll ask him tomorrow and get back to you

>>20448502
>what did he mean by this?
As always, there is no deeper meaning.

His statements are all just pseudo-questions meant to force others to do the hard thinking.
Hoping one of those questions will eventually stick with someone and grant him a response "aha! So by this you meant [something profound]!", in which case Zizek would gladly take the opportunity "Why yes, that is exactly what I meant, this [something profound] was indeed my creative genius exclusively."

>>20448502
How many more years do you think he has left in the tank? I'm betting he'll go at 78.

>>20448502
To be edgy you must rebel against something

>>20450321
Yes and at least half of the second book will be self-plagiarized from the first one, which itself will have self-plagiarized from an earlier book. It makes it quite easy to keep up with him because you can skip to the new stuff.
t. has read a fair amount of Zizek

>>20450134
>the only people filtered by Zizek are contrarian twitter posters (complete wastes of time), normies and American Catholics.

I don't necessarily agree with him, but I think he's a smart writer. His writings on the subject of Christianity, in particular, are often quite interesting. I recall coming across some remarks he made on the filioque and being surprised by how knowledgeable he was on the subject, and how thoughtful and insightful his analysis was. So what is it about Zizek that American Catholics are supposedly filtered by? I find that his status as a fallen away Catholic often informs his writing, and gives it an interesting edge and a certain piquant flavor.
t. American Catholic

>>20448502
>what did he mean by this?
To be an Atheist you have to go through Christianity

>>20454312
>in a time of before science
I pray to science 5 times a day as well, fellow gentlesir!

>>20449064
>>20449239